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| Stskeeps | yawn | 05:48 |
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| tadzik | yeah... | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | ETOOMUCHHEAT | 05:52 |
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| Stskeeps | tadzik: you have a weird smell of smoke near you in warsaw too? | 07:39 |
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| sledges | Zucca: contact | 11:18 |
| sledges | wrong window | 11:18 |
| sledges | :p | 11:18 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: I don't smell any, but I'm currently about 10kms away from warsaw | 11:29 |
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| Stskeeps | tadzik: ah, it was some combo of a major tire fire and small gardens fire | 11:35 |
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| tadzik | oh, exciting | 11:37 |
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| Wnt | Wow! Jolla's product manager says the tablet runs "...a fully open source code operating system..." (in finnish starting at 4:00) http://down0.80576-down0.dna.qbrick.com/80576-down0/ncode/2015-08-14/Jolla%20S2_360p_7ad665ce.mp4 | 12:09 |
| Wnt | I wonder if something is going to really change when compared to the phone's openness | 12:10 |
| * Stskeeps glares | 12:10 | |
| Stskeeps | in what exact finnish terms? | 12:11 |
| Wnt | "Ennenkaikkea tietoturva lähtee siitä, että tämä täysin avoimen lähdekoodin käyttöjärjestelmä, jolloin kuka tahansa voi katselmoida ja verifioida sen..." | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | fun | 12:13 |
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| urs | and you can see him putting it into reverse landscape orientation | 12:15 |
| Wnt | at least with the phone there is no way to inspect and review all the code that you need for a functional device | 12:15 |
| ShadowJK | If he added a "perustuva" in there somewhere, it would "save" it a bit ;) | 12:15 |
| ShadowJK | Otherwise you'll have to play porrasturvat with him ;-D | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: hw adaptations will always be a headachw | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | oses can be open | 12:16 |
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| Wnt | that seems to be the reality now, but it doesn't mean it cannot change in the future | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | i dont see hw adaptation landscape changing sadly | 12:20 |
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| Wnt | http://neo900.org hardware with a Nemo Glacier UI would be pretty nice fully open source device | 12:23 |
| locusf | Wnt: not 100% though, hw adaptatio is always the problem | 12:24 |
| locusf | Wnt: the free'est device I've put Nemo on is Minnowboard Max | 12:25 |
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| locusf | argh repeating Stskeeps again, sorry | 12:29 |
| Wnt | locusf: as far as I have understood the hardware & OS plans for the neo900, it's as open as Neo FreeRunner, which doesn't need any non-opensource software to work | 12:30 |
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| Wnt | sure, the modem has some internally stored software, but that's an external part from the rest of the system | 12:31 |
| locusf | yep | 12:32 |
| locusf | I've got calls via serial port interaction with a sim900 gpio extension on rpi2 | 12:33 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. The current Sailfish version on my Jolla, 1.1.6.27, seems to really have regressions regarding the mobile data connection. Although 3G is shown with 1/3, it does not connect. | 15:56 |
| PaulePanter | This seems to be a regression in this version. :( | 15:56 |
| PaulePanter | Can somebody verify that? | 15:57 |
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| knivsta | is jolla mobile fully open? | 18:15 |
| stephg | knivsta: in a word, no | 18:16 |
| knivsta | stephg, What non-free or closed source is it in comparison with Cyanogenmod? | 18:16 |
| stephg | knivsta: what kind of openness is most important to you | 18:16 |
| stephg | knivsta: basically the very bottom and very top of the stack is closed | 18:17 |
| stephg | and the stuff in the middle is entirely open | 18:18 |
| stephg | the android runtime is also closed | 18:18 |
| knivsta | stephg, ok then thanks | 18:20 |
| knivsta | :) | 18:20 |
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| stephg | knivsta oh you've gone | 18:20 |
| stephg | knivsta if you ever come back: http://jollafr.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/oss-vs-nonoss.png | 18:21 |
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| dv__ | sigh... even if I unlocked the device before, the touchscreen-remains-locked bug during phone calls remains | 19:55 |
| dv__ | I can't hang up if it happens for example | 19:55 |
| dv__ | I consider this to be a critical bug | 19:55 |
| Mikaela | dv__: is there together thread or anything about that? I experienced it some days ago | 19:56 |
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| dv__ | Mikaela: yeah | 20:00 |
| dv__ | https://together.jolla.com/question/63411/bug-touchscreen-not-responding-while-phone-is-ringing/ | 20:00 |
| Mikaela | thanks | 20:00 |
| dv__ | https://together.jolla.com/question/27179/bug-trying-to-answer-a-call-pulley-menu-cannot-be-pulled-down/ | 20:00 |
| dv__ | https://together.jolla.com/question/91141/incoming-call-cannot-answer/ | 20:00 |
| dv__ | I sincerely hope jolla puts this at #1 and focuses on fixing it | 20:00 |
| dv__ | I've had serious problems because of it | 20:01 |
| dv__ | I briefly looked at the log output over ssh, and it seems that the lock/unlock is done at a lower level | 20:03 |
| dv__ | and something is not properly in syn | 20:03 |
| dv__ | *sync | 20:03 |
| Mikaela | I haven't had any serious problems yet, but it's likely I will | 20:03 |
| dv__ | I missed several important calls, and also had trouble with conference calls that require me to enter a PIN | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | dv__: usually touch not working is related to proximity sensor somehow | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | sure you're not blocking it by accident? | 20:05 |
| dv__ | yes | 20:05 |
| dv__ | I moved it well away from my head and tried to touch anything, no reaction | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | 1.1.7? | 20:06 |
| dv__ | it would anyway be best if I had an option to completely disable this proximity sensor thing. I never liked them on any phone. I manually shut off the screen. | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, it has some uses, such as giving you much longer battery life through turning off the screen when you are in a call | 20:07 |
| dv__ | 1.1.6.27 | 20:07 |
| dv__ | phone says this is the most recent one? | 20:07 |
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| dv__ | yes, but as said, I turn off the screen manually anyway | 20:08 |
| dv__ | just got used to that after having an s3 in the past, which irritated the hell out of me with its proximity behavior | 20:09 |
| dv__ | I've found that proximity sensors tend to not work well when you need to enter PINs for conference calls. the screen randomly shuts off while I am typing. | 20:09 |
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| spiiroin | Stskeeps, dv__ : actually in the default settings proximity sensor just does not allow turning display on (and blanks during active call); we had it blocking input for one release and it caused so much problems that it is not used anymore; still whenever there is "touch does not work" the 1st thing to check is still "is it because of ps?" | 20:25 |
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| kjetilho | dv__: you've never hung up by pressing the wrong button with your ear on a phone without proxymity sensor, I take it | 21:08 |
| kjetilho | oh, never mind, you say you always turn off the screen manually. move on. | 21:09 |
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