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| the_mgt | chem|st: parrot zik definetly not, the others maybe. but while we are at it: what about LE? | 08:17 |
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| pp | hehe, https://twitter.com/ceoStephenElop/status/618382578182168576 | 08:18 |
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| inte | So this is about the CEO leaving Jolla? | 08:23 |
| inte | What is he actually doing next? | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | vincit group oy i think finnish media says | 08:23 |
| inte | What is that? | 08:23 |
| kimmoli | inte: ask Nicd- | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | inte: sw development company | 08:24 |
| inte | Maybe he just wasnt too much in the mood of moving to India | 08:24 |
| inte | seems like Jolla is concentrating their feature business there | 08:25 |
| inte | as does Nokia. Interesting | 08:25 |
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| Nicd- | we are a software development company yes | 08:57 |
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| clau | Stepehn Elop, Twitter: "Life is a parody, so is this account." | 09:01 |
| zutto | Elop was a such great speaker | 09:01 |
| zutto | go to event with many hundred people, fire them and give them a great speech about future.. and walk out of that event with everyone clapping and praising you :P | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | i blame whoever keeps hiring him though | 09:03 |
| clau | did he also sing "we are the champions" ? | 09:03 |
| zutto | ggabriel: you better hope that jolla never makes enough money to hire him ;P | 09:04 |
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| ggabriel | zutto: anything can happen, but then there'll be another company out there continuing the good stuff that jolla make so... | 09:05 |
| zutto | possibly :P | 09:07 |
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| tango_ | woohoo tohkbd is here! | 09:13 |
| tango_ | anybody got their yet? | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | tango_: lucky you! is it nice? pics? | 09:14 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: the mb isn't glued to the case I think | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | I think that's expected | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | at least I heard it before | 09:15 |
| tango_ | that's ok for me | 09:15 |
| tango_ | as long as it's expected | 09:15 |
| kjetilho | yes, it is held by friction | 09:15 |
| kjetilho | (ideally ;) | 09:16 |
| tango_ | kjetilho: not very high friction with the heat here 8-P | 09:16 |
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| tango_ | we're in the 30s | 09:16 |
| tango_ | hm so can I just switch TOH 'live'? | 09:17 |
| Teme | 9yes | 09:17 |
| Teme | also yes | 09:17 |
| inte | With Jolla splitting up their hardware business they are in desperate need for a hardware partner I guess | 09:18 |
| inte | Any new rumors out there? | 09:18 |
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| ggabriel | loads of rumours :P | 09:18 |
| tango_ | wasn't jolla's point split hardware from the beginning? (split = two halves) | 09:19 |
| tango_ | (big joke of the day) | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | it's funny because it's true :P | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | hidden in small details of our design is our entire business strategy over next 10 years | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:19 |
| inte | tango_: hehe | 09:19 |
| tango_ | wait jolla has a business strategy | 09:20 |
| tango_ | ? | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | but but will the new hardware be compatibel with the pebble? will they merge? | 09:20 |
| tango_ | (ok enough with the bad jokes) | 09:20 |
| inte | but well I guess they anounced the Jolla phone was rather a proof of concept and they will concentrate on software in the future when the phone was released | 09:20 |
| tango_ | dafuq is the pebble? | 09:20 |
| tango_ | btw news on the tablet? | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | pebble="smart" watch | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | tango_: blog.jolla.com | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | but so far, 31st july | 09:20 |
| inte | tango_: received an email yesterday preparing for another delay | 09:21 |
| tango_ | am I bad customer for not following blog.jolla.com? | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | brace for delay alert, indeed | 09:21 |
| inte | ggabriel: yep | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | tango_: very bad, naughty customer | 09:21 |
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| ggabriel | :) | 09:21 |
| tango_ | wait I can't find news on the peble on bjc | 09:21 |
| tango_ | also bjc is a very dangerous shortcut compared to tjc | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | yes | 09:22 |
| inte | :) | 09:22 |
| tango_ | damn I never remember how to unhook the stupid case | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | i mentioned pebble randomly btw | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | and used the term compatible very loosely too | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | since we were joking | 09:22 |
| inte | I have a metawatch but I guess I will go for a pebble soon | 09:22 |
| inte | it got quite expensive, though | 09:23 |
| tango_ | I though we had the 10K gold one from apple for that | 09:23 |
| tango_ | (it does set a high standard fo expensive, I must say) | 09:24 |
| NwS | What is the use of a "smart" watch anyway? | 09:24 |
| NwS | Kind of useless? | 09:24 |
| tango_ | drumroll guysm plugging the kbd | 09:24 |
| inte | especially for a technology gadget | 09:24 |
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| ggabriel | NwS: it's smart | 09:25 |
| NwS | ggabriel, it thinks | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | it changes everything | 09:25 |
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| tango_ | uh ho I didn't press INSTALL fast enough | 09:25 |
| tango_ | I do I get the prompt again? | 09:26 |
| zutto | NwS: there are some good uses, and useless uses for them | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | tango_: reinstall the other half | 09:26 |
| zutto | if you do sports, they are quite useful | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | (as in physically) | 09:26 |
| zutto | or want to monitor your rates anyway | 09:26 |
| tango_ | damn it's a pain on my nails | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | i think you can do that also by restatring tohservice | 09:26 |
| zutto | other than that.... not really that useful | 09:26 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: I like that better | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | i haven't tried it myself though | 09:26 |
| tango_ | hm | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | apparently, if you hold the phone towards you and press on the left, 1cm above the bottom, the other half comes out | 09:27 |
| tango_ | let's go with the tried method | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | but that's hearsay | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | or rather readsay because i read it on irc | 09:27 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: what? | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | tango_: to easily remove the other half | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | hold the phone iwth the screen towards you | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | and press with your nail on the left, 1cm above the bottom, between the phone and the cover | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | and it should come out more easily | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | that's what i read anyway ;) | 09:28 |
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| tango_ | hm where the bezel changes? | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | maybe :P | 09:30 |
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| tango_ | maybe tohkbd isn't supposed to come off 8-P | 09:31 |
| tango_ | surely the phone now has a nice n900-thick feelind | 09:31 |
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| ggabriel | haha, it is, just takes practice | 09:31 |
| tango_ | feeling | 09:31 |
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| tango_ | interesting ambience | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | does it come with one?! | 09:34 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: yah, very deep-spacey | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | i wasn't expecting that | 09:34 |
| tango_ | how do I take a screenshot? | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | erm... there's a faq | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | join #jollatohkbd | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | and the topic has a faq and links to shortcuts and stuff | 09:34 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: yeah but I mean in general with the jolla, how do you take a snapshot of your screen | 09:37 |
| tango_ | like, powerbutton+volumeup | 09:37 |
| tango_ | or you can't | 09:37 |
| tango_ | I wanted to show you the ambience | 09:37 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | there are at least 3 apps in thew store | 09:38 |
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| tango_ | ok | 09:40 |
| tango_ | I thought it was supported at the OS level | 09:40 |
| tango_ | like "dump the wayland buffer to png when this hardware key combo is pressed" | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | tango_: oh, "there's an aapp for that | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | but with the keyboard you have a shortcut | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | which makes the app useless :P | 09:41 |
| tango_ | oh interesting | 09:41 |
| tango_ | lol I just saw the icon for the tohkbd2 | 09:41 |
| tango_ | lol | 09:41 |
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| tango_ | ggabriel: tohkbd2 ambience: http://i.imgur.com/wK8MJKf.png | 10:10 |
| tadzik | oh, it's nice | 10:13 |
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| Lieke_ | i think it'd look better without the phone on the background though | 10:20 |
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| ggabriel | tango_: nice | 10:41 |
| tango_ | anyway, the tohkbd is not the most practical of things | 10:42 |
| tango_ | the jolla is now almost as thick as the n900, but wider | 10:43 |
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| flux | system_server takes 90% cpu, can I just kill it or better reboot? | 10:43 |
| tango_ | I'm gonna need a bigger hand | 10:43 |
| tadzik | tango_: how practical is it to detach the keyboard when you don't use it? | 10:44 |
| kimmoli | flux: do you have tohkbd ? | 10:44 |
| flux | yes | 10:45 |
| chem|st | flux: that is alien-dalvik, just stop android support | 10:45 |
| tango_ | tadzik: that's actually rather easy, but the toh itself is still thicker and less rounded than the first one, for example | 10:45 |
| flux | well, I killed the process, hope it will sort itself out ;) | 10:45 |
| chem|st | it is either eating RAM, CPU or both | 10:45 |
| kimmoli | ok, huh. i did see that few days ago, but i trust chem|st then - nothing to do with tohkbd... | 10:45 |
| flux | but now I need to find my external battery, 16% and I need to be moving | 10:45 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: can be anything actually but most of the time it is aliens eating your device | 10:46 |
| flux | kill --nuke-from-orbit? | 10:46 |
| kimmoli | yea, i wish native OBD2 app then i can uninstall whole alienpoop | 10:46 |
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| chem|st | skynet --enable-orbital-fence | 10:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli, | 10:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://www.obdtester.com/pyobd | 10:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but we need schemas for every Auto / brand / model | 10:53 |
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| tadzik | tango_: I see | 10:54 |
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| kimmoli | yep, i need to get it working over wifi... | 11:08 |
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| ilpianista | so...for some reason a swipe from bottom/up does nothing in my Jolla o.O | 12:18 |
| ilpianista | any idea what's going on? I cannot access notifications anymore | 12:19 |
| ilpianista | (already tried a reboot) | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | past lock screen?? | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:20 |
| ilpianista | Stskeeps, I cannot access the screen with weather informations, twitter notifications etc... | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | happened to somebody else in the past, no obvious fix as it "just started working again" | 12:21 |
| ilpianista | damn | 12:21 |
| TemeV | Iirc somebody had bottom part of the screen dead | 12:22 |
| ilpianista | damn^2 | 12:22 |
| TemeV | There is a tool for testing it | 12:22 |
| ilpianista | TemeV, ah right! trying it | 12:22 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and does it work if you are using some app that is in landscape mode? | 12:23 |
| ilpianista | HarhaanJohtaja, yes, the app goes to "cover mode" | 12:24 |
| TemeV | ok, not hw issue if the swipe from an app works | 12:25 |
| narchie | so | 12:25 |
| narchie | why do I get an email sound | 12:25 |
| narchie | with email sounds disabled | 12:25 |
| narchie | so hard problem | 12:25 |
| narchie | not to play sounds when a flag is set | 12:25 |
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| ilpianista | damn, another user had to send the jolla phone to get a new screen: https://together.jolla.com/question/55359/cant-access-notifications/ | 12:33 |
| narchie | was certified duct tape service by otpima(TM) included | 12:35 |
| pp | whee, pessima nee mobylife (tm) says changing the display module (105e) should fix my sensors too | 12:36 |
| narchie | what a relief | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | pp: is that an option now? | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | i.e., do they change the display? | 12:36 |
| pp | hmnn, 100e first one+299e+40eish for a black funkyother half + 130e for a tohkbd + 105e to fix phone :-) | 12:37 |
| pp | jolla is an expensive habit :P | 12:37 |
| kimmoli | priceless | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | well, changing the display on an iphone 6 is more expensive fwiw ;) | 12:37 |
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| pp | and yes, they've dropped the price from 240eish to 105e (including postage both ways!) | 12:38 |
| narchie | but does it include certified duct tape repair service | 12:38 |
| pp | I already have that | 12:38 |
| narchie | ok then you're safe | 12:38 |
| ggabriel | pp: is this the official jolla service? (I'm asking seriously...) | 12:38 |
| pp | yep, http://mobylife.com/images/pricelists/Hinnastoliite_Jolla_aelypuhelinten_naeytoenvaihdot_1_2_2015.pdf | 12:39 |
| Yaniel | ggabriel: I read that as "the practical joke service" at first | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | ta | 12:39 |
| pp | yah, total price is still ~= full price iphone :-) | 12:40 |
| pp | and I have a keyboard and a t-shirt! | 12:40 |
| pp | AND some certified duct tape. | 12:40 |
| narchie | and duct tape | 12:40 |
| narchie | serivice | 12:40 |
| Aciid | narchie: when is jolla tablet | 12:41 |
| narchie | only available from mobylife(TM) certified retailers | 12:41 |
| kimmoli | hmm 105€ is not so bad... | 12:41 |
| narchie | shipping 2 weeks | 12:41 |
| narchie | Aciid: | 12:41 |
| narchie | may 2015 | 12:41 |
| kimmoli | des mobydi..life give discount if it is already in small pieces.. | 12:41 |
| narchie | no | 12:42 |
| narchie | mobylife(TM) expert reassembly service comes at a price | 12:42 |
| Aciid | I actually ordered the tablet for a cocaine plate subsider since all my silverware has been stolen | 12:42 |
| Aciid | but im running fast out of the product, and july shipping is no where near | 12:42 |
| Aciid | should I cancel? | 12:42 |
| Aciid | or is tablet kill? | 12:42 |
| narchie | indiegogo | 12:43 |
| narchie | you can cancel | 12:43 |
| narchie | only by moving to china | 12:43 |
| narchie | (not available in china) | 12:43 |
| Aciid | i thought they did not ship to china | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | Aciid: you can view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyxSerkkP4o on the tablet at same time | 12:43 |
| pp | suppose I could also get a new phone and sell the old battery at a hefty premium :-) (and use the broken phone for something fun) | 12:43 |
| narchie | business strategy | 12:44 |
| narchie | buy jolla phones at 200$ | 12:44 |
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| narchie | sell batteries at 201$ | 12:44 |
| narchie | profit | 12:44 |
| narchie | throw screens into itämeri | 12:44 |
| ilpianista | damn! "surround touch" tests reports bottom line is dead :'-( | 12:44 |
| TemeV | I wonder what parts of Jolla would have a market. Would need more than screens and batteries to make profit on disassembling Jollas :) | 12:48 |
| kimmoli | pogopins" | 12:51 |
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| ilpianista | TemeV, you are imaging things :-P | 12:57 |
| TemeV | now I'm confused | 12:58 |
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| Kabouik_ | Hi. Can someone tell me if there's a way to export history from Whatsupp? And a way to disable the "Delete chat history" option from the pulley menu? It seems I could trigger it by error and I don't like that. | 13:05 |
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| TemeV | you can remove that item from qml | 13:16 |
| TemeV | /usr/share/whatsup/qml or something like that | 13:17 |
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| covox | huh http://news.microsoft.com/2015/07/08/microsoft-announces-restructuring-of-phone-hardware-business/ | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | we live in interesting times | 14:02 |
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| covox | very true | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | that bubble kind of exploded | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | hope people got a nice package though | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | well, unless you live in the US and you get nada | 14:03 |
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| covox | yeah, here's hoping the former nokians can land on their feet after this | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | in most cases, useful people aren't made redundant | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | covox: the job market is already very full there | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | i'm only half useful and i tire of waiting on those situations | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | so imagine a 100% useful person ;) | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ggabriel: useful people take the package | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:09 |
| covox | Stskeeps: :( | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: if you have the option, yes | 14:09 |
| covox | useful people would have seen the many bright and garish warning signs leading to this | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | now we just need thousands of billions for sailfish.. | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | all we need is for google to die | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | that will fix a lot of issues | 14:11 |
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| covox | interesting thought experiment; would android get better or worse if google wasn't driving the bus? | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | hopefully die a quick death and we can move on with better technology | 14:13 |
| cb400f | should be a no-brainer for those hardware guys to form a startup doing sailfish devices ;-) | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | let's not kid ourselves, all modern nokia/ms devices are made by ODMs | 14:13 |
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| locusf | http://www.saloon.fi/post/welcome-to-salo-microsoft <- bit sad now | 14:16 |
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| ggabriel | oh, come on, and they didn't see this coming? | 14:17 |
| cb400f | I believe they also "restructured" Stephen Elop, further showing what a genius he was | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | elop was refactored | 14:18 |
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| cb400f | of course such a useful person as Elop should have no trouble landing a ceo position of some billion dollar corporation, with his historic, proven succesful track record | 14:21 |
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| fennekki | in general it seems like people who have been CEOs can become CEOs again, regardless of how horrible they are | 14:42 |
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| chem|st | inte: would you mind to tune your away script? 5 name changes in 3minutes | 14:49 |
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