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| tbr | rost | 05:26 |
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| tiwake | pot roast | 05:31 |
| tiwake | much nom | 05:31 |
| tbr | also wrong window | 05:32 |
| tiwake | wrong windows happen | 05:33 |
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| japa-fi_ | I have a problem with screen input. I can't control current application, instead it feels like the software keyboard is lurking somewhere stealing all the keypresses. | 06:50 |
| japa-fi_ | I hear click when ever I touch to a space where they software keyboard would be | 06:50 |
| japa-fi_ | if I hit outside of that area, I don't hear the "typing click2 | 06:50 |
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| TemeV | I thought that bug was fixed ages ago | 07:05 |
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| Jonni | japa-fi_: there is a known bug that sometimes if you happen to generate 2 touch events in the exact same time, then the statemachine can get into a state that sends keyevents to wrong target (or something). Its going to be fixed in upcoming releases. | 07:13 |
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| japa-fi_ | Any workaround? | 07:16 |
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| japa-fi_ | I finally rebooted my phone | 07:17 |
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| japa-fi_ | Btw. I got notification: "Running out of space". I have 1 gig free on root partition. Is that something to worry about? | 07:26 |
| Yaniel | btrfs fi show | 07:27 |
| Yaniel | but probably yes | 07:27 |
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| inte | japa-fi_: thats a bug | 07:29 |
| inte | occurs regulary | 07:29 |
| * Yaniel is paranoud about btrfs | 07:29 | |
| japa-fi_ | so I should be worried? | 07:29 |
| Yaniel | paranoid even | 07:29 |
| japa-fi_ | df shows only 93% used | 07:30 |
| inte | i would recommend to install "Home refresh" | 07:30 |
| Yaniel | yes but it does not show btrfs metadata | 07:30 |
| inte | japa-fi_: Homerefresh restarts lipstick and you can use your phone again w/o restart | 07:30 |
| inte | AND | 07:30 |
| inte | make some space | 07:31 |
| inte | and do a btrfs fi balance | 07:31 |
| japa-fi_ | btrfs fi show: fs bytes used 12.23Gib, devid 1 size 13.75GiB, used 13.75Gib | 07:32 |
| inte | japa-fi_: https://together.jolla.com/question/80738/jolla-screen-becomes-unresponsive-in-various-scenarious/ | 07:32 |
| inte | i would recommend to remove some files until you're below 10gib | 07:33 |
| inte | than do the rebalance | 07:33 |
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| chem|st | japa-fi_: only 93%?! usually at 95% is userquota for userdata on my systems, do you know what happens with android phones when you fill up internal storage beyond 90%? It becomes an illuminated coffee pod... | 08:17 |
| tadzik | Hmm, how can I debug my Twitter not updating, even when manually asked to? | 08:18 |
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| coderus | tadzik: begin with journalctl | 08:24 |
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| chriadam | tadzik: | 08:29 |
| chriadam | systemctl --user stop msyncd | 08:29 |
| chriadam | killall msyncd | 08:29 |
| chriadam | MSYNCD_LOGGING_LEVEL=8 devel-su -p msyncd | 08:30 |
| chriadam | then in separate terminal: | 08:30 |
| chriadam | devel-su journalctl -af | grep twitter | 08:30 |
| chriadam | then trigger sync via the UI | 08:30 |
| chriadam | send the logs to chris dot adams at jolla dot com after redacting any personal information | 08:30 |
| chriadam | (logs == output from the journalctl terminal) | 08:30 |
| chriadam | also, note if there's a difference when you trigger it via eventsview pulley menu compared to Settings|Accounts->longpress Twitter->Sync | 08:31 |
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| japa-fi_ | I executed (as root): btrfs fi balance start / | 08:39 |
| japa-fi_ | How long should I expect it to run? | 08:39 |
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| TemeV | japa-fi_: it can take anything from few minutes to several hours | 08:40 |
| japa-fi_ | Oki, will leave my phone to charger, just in case | 08:41 |
| TemeV | yeah, that's the safe solution | 08:42 |
| coderus | japa-fi_: depend on free space | 08:43 |
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| coderus | better way is free somw space before balancing, 200MB or so. | 08:52 |
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| tadzik | chriadam: thanks, will do | 09:21 |
| chriadam | :-) | 09:22 |
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| chriadam | I may not respond until tomorrow, though, as I'm heading home for the night shortly | 09:23 |
| teve | pwd | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | teve: C:\WIN | 09:30 |
| japa-fi_ | Back from lunch and the btrfs balance has been completed: "Done, had to relocate 21 of 21 nodes". | 09:31 |
| japa-fi_ | Anything to worry about? | 09:31 |
| kjetilho | no, that's normal | 09:31 |
| TemeV | japa-fi_: what does btrfs fi show say now? | 09:32 |
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| japa-fi_ | bytes used 10.25GiB, devid 1 size 13.75Gib, used 13.75Gib | 09:34 |
| japa-fi_ | (I made couple of gigs additional free space before balance) | 09:34 |
| TemeV | seems it didn't go too well then | 09:37 |
| tadzik | chriadam: heh. I restarted msyncd and immediately twitter synced properly | 09:39 |
| japa-fi_ | doing it again | 09:40 |
| kjetilho | TemeV: why do you say that? | 09:40 |
| tadzik | Maybe because it was started as root, hmm | 09:40 |
| TemeV | "13.75Gib, used 13.75Gib" so it is still full | 09:41 |
| chriadam | tadzik: hrm. if msyncd crashed (and stayed dead) for some reason, that's a problem anyway... I don't know how to tell what might have caused that to occur, though, unless you have crash-reporting enabled (or if that's even a thing on non-internal devices) | 09:42 |
| tadzik | chriadam: never heard of it, but now that I think of it, emails didn't sync automatically for a while either (now they did) | 09:43 |
| kjetilho | TemeV: well... it just means that there is no space available for extending the metadata | 09:43 |
| kjetilho | there could be plenty of space for metadata even so. see btrfs file df / | 09:44 |
| TemeV | I'm not an expert on this matter, but what I've heard "size 13.75Gib, used 13.75Gib" is bad | 09:45 |
| chriadam | tadzik: right, msyncd is the daemon which manages all of the synchronisation handlers in Sailfish OS (with a couple of exceptions, noteably the XMPP roster synchronization via contactsd, and the birthday calendar generation also via contactsd). | 09:46 |
| chriadam | if it crashes, all synchronization will stop | 09:46 |
| chriadam | but interestingly, it's a systemd service which _should_ be restarted again on crash | 09:47 |
| chriadam | if that didn't occur, then it probably wasn't crashed, but instead stuck / busy looping or starving due to mutex lock or something :-/ | 09:47 |
| chriadam | bad things (tm) | 09:47 |
| tadzik | Yeah :/ | 09:47 |
| kjetilho | TemeV: it's not ideal, no. | 09:47 |
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| kjetilho | this is a quite clear. scroll down to "what happens under the bonnet": https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 09:52 |
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| Yaniel | haha :D I broke QuasarMX | 10:21 |
| Yaniel | (again :( ) | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | no audio whatsoever and apparently its internal state got very confused too | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | the playlist claimed it was playing something and the control buttons claimed it was paused | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | and tapping either woudl just swap them around | 10:23 |
| Yaniel | apparently this was caused by my bluetooth headset suddenly coming online | 10:23 |
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| temmi_moo | yeash, you should warn everybody beforehand when that is about to happen | 10:26 |
| Yaniel | well, it did not disconnect cleanly when the battery ran out | 10:28 |
| Yaniel | and when it was charged fully it powered itself on again | 10:29 |
| Yaniel | I suppose that didn't go as specced either | 10:29 |
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| sjtoik | for fuck sake! i'm about to throw the phone into the wall. keyboard bugged out several times when i wrote text message and now, when i finally sent it, it dissappeard | 10:34 |
| sjtoik | wtf. clicking space bar hides the keyboard | 10:36 |
| coderus | did you tried reboot phone? :) | 10:36 |
| sjtoik | didn't have to. the phone shut it self down | 10:37 |
| coderus | reboot it properly. | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | have you installed custom keyboards from openrepos? | 10:38 |
| coderus | and check https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 10:38 |
| sjtoik | not rebooting quite yet. app store crashed itself and caused the green light to blink for a while | 10:38 |
| sjtoik | and no, i don't have anything but vanilla stuff installed | 10:39 |
| sjtoik | ok, meerun from the repos | 10:39 |
| coderus | check my link first | 10:39 |
| sjtoik | 20% utilized, but it once was full, when i moved some music files around | 10:40 |
| coderus | then contact care | 10:42 |
| coderus | they will suggest what to do | 10:42 |
| sjtoik | i will, after i have checked that btrfs stuff | 10:43 |
| sjtoik | reboot helped with my message sending | 10:45 |
| sjtoik | and this time the keyboard didn't play hide and seek | 10:45 |
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| japa-fi_ | I moved a lot of stuff from my phone. did balance. real space used 6 gigs, balance result 9 gig used out of 13.75. | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | good fs | 11:00 |
| japa-fi_ | moved my files back, filespace used 10 gigs, btrfs show: 13.75 used out of 13.75 :( | 11:00 |
| coderus | :D | 11:01 |
| coderus | do balance again | 11:01 |
| japa-fi_ | so back where I started. 30% overhead not so nice. | 11:01 |
| temmi_moo | japa-fi_: quiet you, it is a good and well chosen filesystem | 11:02 |
| coderus | use ncdu or data inspector (same thing, but gui) to check what eating your data :) | 11:02 |
| coderus | i know gagbook can produce gigs of cache | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | i formatted it in hpfs and happy days | 11:02 |
| coderus | ggabriel: formatter what? | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | my root fs | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | i'm obviously joking :P | 11:03 |
| sjtoik | i just managed to migrate my old lvm setup to btrfs on desktop | 11:07 |
| sjtoik | wonder what comes up and how it hold against ff cache writes | 11:08 |
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| coderus | on desktop with latest kernel btrfs is good | 11:09 |
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| sjtoik | btw, btrfs on phone is just fine | 11:14 |
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| japa-fi_ | second rebalance: filespace used 10 gigs, btrfs 13.75 of 13.75 :( | 11:15 |
| japa-fi_ | I guess I'll just purchase a memory card and empty all my music from phone filesystem | 11:16 |
| japa-fi_ | use it on the memorycard | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | japa-fi_: you don't happen to have any backup subvolumes, right? | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | japa-fi_: fwiw, I got a relatively cheap 64gb one and I store pretty much everything there :P | 11:16 |
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| japa-fi_ | how can I backup subvolumes? | 11:18 |
| japa-fi_ | Not that I know of | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | i think in older versions of sailfish, every time you restored from factory, it backed up your home or something | 11:18 |
| h4PPYC4T | hi - i want to switch the default browser to webpirate. i found this so far: https://together.jolla.com/question/1836/set-default-browser/ - there is an example for webcat, which works in general... | 11:18 |
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| sjtoik | one of the base assumptions is that disk space is cheap | 11:18 |
| h4PPYC4T | ...but it works only for sailfish applications, if i open an url from an android-app, nothing happens... | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | sjtoik: tell that to any enterprise storage manager :P | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | japa-fi_: in the tjc about balancing etc it should say how to check and remove those subvolumes | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | i can't remember ottomh | 11:19 |
| japa-fi_ | Where is the memorycard mounted at? I would like to move my stuff from ~/Music to /memory_card/Music | 11:20 |
| sjtoik | its hidden under /media | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | japa-fi_: /media/sdcard/{uuid] | 11:20 |
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| h4PPYC4T | btw. my open-url.desktop looks like this: http://pastebin.com/XM7Dz53W | 11:27 |
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| temmi_moo | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/raspoe-raspberry-pi-poe-shield/ | 12:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Boring. I wanted ravens. | 12:17 |
| temmi_moo | and hookers | 12:18 |
| temmi_moo | and blackjack | 12:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Foscam-Airsight-5-volt-10-watt-PoE-ethernet-power-up-to-328-ft-splitter-only-/171027666200?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d20b1518 also | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | on the random subject topic, today's xkdc is pretty good | 12:19 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Foscam-Wansview-5-volt-power-over-ethernet-POE-data-extension-up-to-328-ft-/170957746355?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item27cde030b3 - for practically the same price | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | however, to actually drag this back on topic. | 12:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | I haven't been tracking this as well as I'd have liked due to illness and stuff. Is there a hypothesised delivery date for preordered tablets? | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | I assume 31 July | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | but no news otherwise | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | some people are "desperate" for a blog explaining the screen issue | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | because that will hurry things up ofc | 12:23 |
| temmi_moo | SpeedEvil: 802.3af poe is better than "oh we have now THIS voltage on the line without any negotiation" | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | temmi_moo: yes. | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not of course disagreeing with that. | 12:24 |
| temmi_moo | i know ours is expensive, the whole point is that we want a compact and nohassle solution and the manuf. mass effect doesn't yet kick in with those small numbers | 12:24 |
| SQUelcher | temmi_moo: it's still very expensive as you can buy 802.3af compliant splitters for €10-15 | 12:24 |
| temmi_moo | unit costs keep high | 12:24 |
| SQUelcher | temmi_moo: sorry.. | 12:25 |
| temmi_moo | i know | 12:25 |
| temmi_moo | they don't fit as compactly on the raspi | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | temmi_moo: yes, I'm not disagreeing that that might be a reasonable cost for them. | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | And that it is a very neat unit. | 12:25 |
| temmi_moo | it's also more expensive than comparable not as neat units | 12:25 |
| temmi_moo | way more | 12:25 |
| temmi_moo | roughly fourfold the price compared to cheapest splitter that claims 802.3af | 12:26 |
| temmi_moo | thing is, we want to make poe adaptations for everything out there | 12:26 |
| temmi_moo | this is not our first and we hope it's not our last | 12:26 |
| temmi_moo | i want a poe laptop charger | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: I've gotten somewhat less patient now that my intermediately purchased tablet is dying. | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | temmi_moo: I'd have suggested a 5V output module with slectable outputs, personally, rather than dedicating it to pi. | 12:28 |
| SQUelcher | temmi_moo: I would buy one, but I'm still using two RasPi 1 with cameras in outdoor cases which are way too small for additional boards.. | 12:29 |
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| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: i hear ya, i should get tohkbd2 soon to ease the pain | 12:40 |
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| politie1 | hopefully soon | 12:44 |
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| h4PPYC4T | hmm, still no luck on my attempt to switch the default browser, so that it also affects url-calls from android-applications. however i found something in the logs: http://pastebin.com/XQMPbf6C - this happens when an android-application try to open an url with webpirate... | 14:36 |
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| h4PPYC4T | again for the context: webpirate works fine when it gets called from a sailfish-application. | 14:42 |
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| coderus | h4PPYC4T: author should update webpirate to have dbus service | 15:17 |
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| h4PPYC4T | ah, i see - so that's the reason. thx for the info. :) | 15:18 |
| coderus | yeah, android process should not be a parent of browser process | 15:19 |
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| chem|st | coderus: what an offer on the ML! | 15:22 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: the otr one? | 15:23 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: yes | 15:23 |
| Lieke | is otr coming to sailfish? | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | thing is... they are asking for some sort of comment from jolla re front end | 15:24 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: I know | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | but what can jolla possibly respond? "soon"? | 15:24 |
| Morpog_PC | if Jolla ever reads the comment at all | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | if you like messing with otr, then jfdi | 15:24 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: find someone you can beat to a "Yes if you do the backend we find someone to do the glue" | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | you can even skip the front end bits by crafting xml config | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | actually, i'm not sure about the latter | 15:25 |
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| chem|st | I rely on future SIP and xmpp... | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | i really want that too | 15:26 |
| chem|st | currently I have no mobile msging cause of missing xmpp stuff | 15:26 |
| coderus | chem|st: ? | 15:26 |
| chem|st | coderus: thought you might want to jump in with more than just a link to the git | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | but i find the position a bit unrealistic, as in "i'll do something if you do something" | 15:27 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe cybette can poke the right person inside Jolla? | 15:27 |
| coderus | chem|st: guy asked for a sources used in jolla, so | 15:27 |
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| chem|st | someone offering the heavy lifting should be honored with a jolla-response! | 15:28 |
| chem|st | coderus: he wasn't asking for what is used he was asking for if upstream is used - slightly different... answer would be yes jolla sources upstream if possible | 15:29 |
| coderus | chem|st: i have no idea about state of jolla sources | 15:30 |
| chem|st | and I did not check but iirc that is upstream | 15:30 |
| coderus | chem|st: i sent a link to actual sources used to build pacakge, so he can inspect it | 15:30 |
| chem|st | sure | 15:31 |
| coderus | i see no harm in my answer in ML | 15:31 |
| coderus | while no any other answers, mine is best one | 15:31 |
| chem|st | coderus: I am not jumping you for your answers content - never bad to have more info | 15:31 |
| coderus | well, then i totally don't understand what you mean :D | 15:31 |
| chem|st | as always ;) | 15:32 |
| coderus | sure | 15:32 |
| chem|st | you could have added a sentence.... | 15:32 |
| coderus | okay. actually it was a sentence initially | 15:33 |
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| coderus | but my thunderbird goes mad, and using different smtp settings for this account, and sent email as other sender, and mailing list bounced my email 5 times, and last time i tested sending it contains only "Here: link" in body, and it finally worked :D | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | at least your thunderbird kept the relevant bit of the response | 15:34 |
| coderus | well, it have cool "Reply to mailing list" button | 15:35 |
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| Morpog_PC | someone russian, does it really say what faenil did understand? https://twitter.com/faenil/status/603585449915981824 | 15:38 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: yes, but it does not specify | 15:43 |
| coderus | i said from sailors the same, many other components will be open after 2.0 | 15:43 |
| coderus | but it doesn't mean it will be 100% open | 15:43 |
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| raa700 | coderus: does mitäkuuluu work with web.wa? | 16:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | not yet | 16:06 |
| Morpog_PC | later raa700 | 16:06 |
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| coderus | raa700: not yet | 16:09 |
| coderus | raa700: first it should learn all basic wa stuff | 16:09 |
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| raa700 | sweeet | 16:11 |
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| chem|st | coderus: lol yeah had that too... | 17:05 |
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| japa-fi | Total devices 1 FS bytes used 3.16GiB | 19:25 |
| japa-fi | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 6.13GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 19:25 |
| japa-fi | btrfs fi show result above | 19:25 |
| japa-fi | Done the balance twice | 19:25 |
| japa-fi | 3 gigs used, 6 gigs reserved. Is that normal? | 19:26 |
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| japa-fi | Though from now on, I will keep my music and other data on SD card | 19:27 |
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| chem|st | japa-fi: sounds about right | 22:44 |
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