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| birdzhang | (gdb) backtrace | 03:48 |
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| birdzhang | #0 0x40c1c10c in QVariant::QVariant(QByteArray const&) () from /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5 | 03:48 |
| birdzhang | is this a bug of Qt5? | 03:48 |
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| _miqu_ | Hello, I have a problem with media player playback. | 07:53 |
| _miqu_ | It doesnt start to play. Videos play fine and other sounds. Its just music from Jolla media player. It started after I installed an android app Sworkit that is built on Ionic framework and uses sound and video. And I couldnt fix it with reboot or removal of app or removal of alien dalvik. | 07:53 |
| _miqu_ | Found this tjc thread but it seems to be quite small. https://together.jolla.com/question/49518/sound-from-media-app-stops-working/ | 07:54 |
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| Teme | i wonder what happened to my Messages-app .. i received and SMS and suddenly all text in there is a light gray, almost too light to read | 08:18 |
| Teme | closing and reopening has no effect | 08:19 |
| chriadam | Teme: did you change your ambience / switch your TOH cover? | 08:20 |
| Teme | not recently, no | 08:22 |
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| nander | Hi, is it possible to add a second google account to my android on jolla? | 09:04 |
| nander | https://together.jolla.com/question/40308/how-to-add-google-account-for-android-apps/?answer=40731#post-id-40731 << I found this, but the link is dead | 09:05 |
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| nander | Also, when is the GUI finally going to support more complex wifi networks like Eduroam? It's just plain sad that such a feature isn't added yet. | 09:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | it's on the sailfishos roadmap iirc | 09:27 |
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| Teme | regarding the light gray text in messages... turning it horizontally seems to have fixed the problem | 09:31 |
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| Teme | but somehow i have a feeling lipstick is f'ed up in other ways too... alarm just started ringing and screen didn't turn on until tapping for 5 times or so | 09:32 |
| wysiwtf | selfishoes | 09:35 |
| politie | how do i kill alien dalvik? | 09:35 |
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| Acce | systemctl stop aliendalvik.service as root | 09:38 |
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| politie | thanks | 09:38 |
| Mikaela | or alternatively install Sailfish Utilities and open it from settings --> system and press "stop android support" | 09:38 |
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| politie | thanks | 09:51 |
| Mikaela | you're welcome | 09:52 |
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| coderus | cybette: ping. next meeting 14:30 or 15:30 utc? information in email and first post are different | 10:06 |
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| Mikaela | I seem to have coonnection issues again, but this time only aliendalvik is missing connection entirely. Restarting aliendalvik didn't help, neither did reboot | 10:19 |
| Mikaela | issue affects both WLAN & mobile data | 10:19 |
| Mikaela | and for some reason sshd also stopped being started automatically even if it's enabled | 10:19 |
| Mikaela | no issues with native apps | 10:20 |
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| politie | all my android apps started to freeze on startup today | 10:22 |
| Mikaela | https://together.jolla.com/question/93340/aptoide-no-network-connection/ seems related, but I must see relatives now so I cannot erad further :( | 10:22 |
| birdzhang | I have a problem of gdb | 10:27 |
| birdzhang | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 10:27 |
| birdzhang | [Switching to Thread 0x46ddb3f0 (LWP 23981)] | 10:27 |
| birdzhang | 0x40c1c10c in QVariant::QVariant(QByteArray const&) () from /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5 | 10:27 |
| birdzhang | (gdb) backtrace | 10:27 |
| birdzhang | #0 0x40c1c10c in QVariant::QVariant(QByteArray const&) () from /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5 | 10:27 |
| birdzhang | Is this a bug of Qt5? | 10:28 |
| birdzhang | I googled , and found nothing... | 10:29 |
| coderus | birdzhang: pastebin | 10:30 |
| coderus | and post full backtrace | 10:30 |
| birdzhang | at irc ? | 10:30 |
| coderus | sure | 10:30 |
| birdzhang | backtrace : | 10:31 |
| Yaniel | post the backtrace on a pastebin and the link to the post on irc | 10:31 |
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| birdzhang | wait me | 10:31 |
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| birdzhang | http://pastebin.com/SGL4PHJZ | 10:32 |
| birdzhang | here | 10:32 |
| coderus | birdzhang: is there sources available? | 10:32 |
| birdzhang | yeah | 10:33 |
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| birdzhang | https://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo | 10:33 |
| coderus | so, https://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo/blob/master/src/app/MyNetworkAccessManagerFactory.cpp#L150, when value is not set into settings this poor code is trying to assign uninitialized value | 10:35 |
| coderus | uncomment line before | 10:35 |
| birdzhang | you need login ,and the bug appear | 10:35 |
| coderus | or replace data inside with "" | 10:35 |
| coderus | code is poor ,thats it | 10:35 |
| birdzhang | thankyou | 10:35 |
| coderus | or even better just remove default value (data) | 10:36 |
| birdzhang | :) | 10:36 |
| coderus | debugging is cool almost all the time :) | 10:37 |
| birdzhang | thank you | 10:38 |
| coderus | yw :) | 10:40 |
| coderus | seems i'm in a good mood this morning | 10:40 |
| coderus | will try to debug my own projects : | 10:41 |
| coderus | :D | 10:41 |
| kimmoli | coderus: :) | 10:41 |
| kimmoli | or if data is to be init empty, replace ("cookies", data) with ("cookies", QByteArray()) ? | 10:42 |
| kimmoli | if there are no cookies | 10:42 |
| coderus | kimmoli: it's same as doing toByteArray an empty QVariant :) | 10:44 |
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| kimmoli | ah, there was default, https://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo/blob/master/src/app/Settings.h#L21 | 10:46 |
| coderus | kimmoli: yes, unitialized broken code :) | 10:47 |
| birdzhang | the author is my friend ,and i am not good at C++ | 10:48 |
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| birdzhang | i will contact him to fix | 10:49 |
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| coderus | birdzhang: https://github.com/SunRain/SailfishWeibo/commit/758bdfb3e350047f1505e3e16b2f88fe05939f34#commitcomment-11303123 | 10:52 |
| birdzhang | oh,thank you for your pull request | 10:53 |
| coderus | it not pr | 10:53 |
| coderus | its comment on commit which is broken things | 10:53 |
| birdzhang | -_-# | 10:54 |
| coderus | author will be notified via gihub this way | 10:54 |
| birdzhang | yeah | 10:54 |
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| gexc | it seems windows10 has something like ambience as well lol | 11:16 |
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| politie | can i run windows 10 on my jolla? | 11:18 |
| ln- | i hope not | 11:18 |
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| * gexc is running win10 on virtualbox | 11:19 | |
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| falfa | poor virtualbox | 11:35 |
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| birdzhang | microsoft become more and more open mind | 11:40 |
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| falfa | i doubt that | 11:54 |
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| arvut | hi | 13:33 |
| arvut | any news on the release date for the tablet? | 13:33 |
| arvut | i want one so i can use irssi and vim away from home in a more convenient way | 13:34 |
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| Oni^ | try screen? | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | arvut: end of july | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | arvut: blog.jolla.com | 13:38 |
| politie | and sailfish os 2 for phone? same date? | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | arvut: but if you haven't participated in the crowdfunding, then i don't know | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | politie: i have no idea :) | 13:39 |
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| politie | ggabriel , ok thanks | 13:39 |
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| arvut | ggabriel: oh, I wanted one for my bday, which has passed. guess I'll have to wait then :) | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | arvut: happy birthday and yes, unfortunately for these things you have to wait... this isn't like popping to the store and getting an ipad | 13:47 |
| arvut | ggabriel: got the phone at last cyber monday/black friday deals, I was a N9 and N900 user before | 13:47 |
| arvut | the ipad is eww | 13:48 |
| arvut | i don't like it | 13:48 |
| arvut | plus, it has no root access by default | 13:48 |
| arvut | btw, sailfishOS 2.0, does it run on other tablets too? | 13:48 |
| arvut | any testing been done I mean? | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | that's something that jolla people can respond to... | 13:49 |
| arvut | I assume it could run on some android tablet, since they probably use same cpu | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | sfos 2isn't out yet | 13:49 |
| arvut | yeah I know | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, the tablet has an intel cpu | 13:49 |
| arvut | oh | 13:49 |
| arvut | so I could install gentoo on it? xD | 13:49 |
| locusf | since it will run on the Jolla phone, its armv7hl distributed too | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | depends on the bootloader i guess | 13:50 |
| locusf | -h | 13:50 |
| arvut | ah yes | 13:50 |
| locusf | its gonna be a prime target for #sailfishos-porters :) | 13:50 |
| arvut | does jolla use a bootloader on the phone btw? slightly curious about that | 13:50 |
| locusf | it does, you can unlock it | 13:50 |
| arvut | how? | 13:51 |
| locusf | go to the recovery menu | 13:51 |
| locusf | telnet in | 13:51 |
| locusf | select an option | 13:51 |
| locusf | done | 13:51 |
| arvut | could I dualboot, say, android and ubuntu phone, on it? | 13:51 |
| arvut | err, tripple boot that would be | 13:51 |
| arvut | ssh you mean? | 13:51 |
| arvut | telnet is a tad bit old | 13:51 |
| locusf | no its telnet | 13:51 |
| arvut | oh | 13:52 |
| locusf | via usb | 13:52 |
| arvut | ah | 13:52 |
| locusf | its ok | 13:52 |
| arvut | yes | 13:52 |
| locusf | dualboot would require snapshot switching | 13:52 |
| arvut | its quite secure over a single usbnet connection I guess, I'm on gentoo-hardened after all | 13:52 |
| locusf | ubuntu touch has been determined not to work easily | 13:52 |
| arvut | k | 13:52 |
| arvut | never tried ubuntu's phone OS | 13:52 |
| arvut | but I read somewhere that its out now | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | are they selling phones yet? :) | 13:53 |
| arvut | took them awhile :) | 13:53 |
| arvut | dunno | 13:53 |
| locusf | yeah its bq aquaris and meize mx4 | 13:53 |
| locusf | *meizu | 13:53 |
| arvut | does ssh not work over usbnet btw? | 13:53 |
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| arvut | or simply no need for it | 13:53 |
| locusf | well I don't | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | arvut: recovery mode you have to boot into | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | so, no, only telnet at that stage | 13:54 |
| arvut | ah | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | then unlock, then fastboot | 13:54 |
| locusf | + know why dropbear wasn't packaged in the recovery rootfs | 13:54 |
| locusf | oh yeah readonly rootfs | 13:54 |
| locusf | so no key generation | 13:54 |
| arvut | ah | 13:54 |
| locusf | I guess :p | 13:54 |
| arvut | that would explain it | 13:54 |
| arvut | can it be remounted rw? | 13:55 |
| locusf | its possible to create fabricated recovery image but its nondistributable | 13:55 |
| arvut | btw, does this stuff violate any license agreement? | 13:55 |
| arvut | xD | 13:55 |
| arvut | warranty and such | 13:55 |
| locusf | well Jolla's license is nothing crazy | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | locusf: thanks, they don't look that tempting those ubuntu phones | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | the mx4 you can't buy (404's) | 13:56 |
| lainwir3d | a coworker has an ubuntu phone | 13:56 |
| arvut | lainwir3d: does it work? | 13:56 |
| lainwir3d | more or less | 13:56 |
| arvut | bugs? | 13:57 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 13:57 |
| arvut | ahh | 13:57 |
| lainwir3d | a lot less polishing than sailfish | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | arvut: if you unlock the bootloader and you break the phone by doing that, then it's your fault | 13:57 |
| lainwir3d | but they release regular updates apparently | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | arvut: if you break the phone with dev mode, same case | 13:57 |
| lainwir3d | and it keeps improving | 13:57 |
| arvut | ggabriel: yes, but can the damage be undone? I don't think I could possibly brick it | 13:57 |
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| arvut | like resetting it with firmware flash | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | arvut: famous last words :) | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | arvut: you can easily nuke the emmc by doing a bad dd | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | and then goodbye | 13:58 |
| arvut | I reflashed my n9 and n900 some years ago | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | different stuff | 13:58 |
| arvut | ah | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | n900 != n9 != jolla | 13:58 |
| arvut | then phone would need new emmc then | 13:58 |
| chem|st | arvut: with a known well documented process and a tool that does flashing for you | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | arvut: not really, you need proper access to the emmc, which you don't have on the jolla | 13:59 |
| arvut | chem|st: yeah, that was the way I used to do it on nokias hardware | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | so yeah, you can break it alright | 13:59 |
| arvut | guess I can then | 13:59 |
| arvut | I do dd alot | 13:59 |
| arvut | s/alot/a lot/ | 13:59 |
| chem|st | arvut: if you look at the bootloader the wrong way you have a nice brick | 13:59 |
| locusf | I've got a fastboot flashing theory | 14:00 |
| arvut | chem|st: what bootloader does jolla use? | 14:00 |
| arvut | lilo? grub2? | 14:00 |
| arvut | custom? | 14:00 |
| chem|st | lol | 14:00 |
| arvut | I really have no clue | 14:00 |
| arvut | never installed on such hardware myself | 14:00 |
| locusf | well its an android phone in the heart | 14:01 |
| chem|st | arvut: std android | 14:01 |
| chem|st | in fastboot-mode | 14:01 |
| chem|st | iirc | 14:01 |
| locusf | its custom alright but probably nothing too dissimilar to others | 14:01 |
| locusf | yeah | 14:01 |
| chem|st | arvut: but I do not mean if you treat it wrong, I mean if you touch it | 14:02 |
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| chem|st | you can probably attemt to boot other stuff al day long as long as you do not destroy/touch the boot partition in the process you should be ok | 14:03 |
| chem|st | but what is the point in booting or even installing other things to a Jolla? | 14:04 |
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| chem|st | if Jolla would be THE sota hardware ok but it is 3 year old hardware with nothing special | 14:06 |
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| locusf | well Nemo is more FOSS and installable | 14:07 |
| arvut | chem|st: could I install other distros on the extra micro-sd slot and boot them via bootloader? and how would you update the bootloader itself? | 14:08 |
| locusf | the problem is the hardware adaptation and wifi | 14:08 |
| chem|st | arvut: so you want a Jolla to become a digital photo frame? that is all you probably get out of it | 14:09 |
| chem|st | why would you need to update the bootloader? | 14:09 |
| arvut | it would need to know of more choices to boot from? | 14:09 |
| arvut | I'm only familiar with x86 booting | 14:09 |
| chem|st | you mean multiboot | 14:10 |
| chem|st | iirc you could reboot in another system if need be | 14:10 |
| arvut | chem|st: yeah | 14:10 |
| locusf | yeah snapshot switching | 14:10 |
| arvut | exactly | 14:10 |
| locusf | requires a custom kernel for that, custom initrd to be exact | 14:11 |
| arvut | I used to multiboot into windows on this machine, then got sick of it and rm -rf`d everything, haven't redone partition scheme yet | 14:11 |
| chem|st | but again, where is the point in booting something else than sailfish? | 14:11 |
| locusf | for the lols? | 14:11 |
| arvut | just for fun I guess | 14:11 |
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| arvut | gentoo on a jolla phone, that would be some MOOOO | 14:12 |
| chem|st | arvut: you already have linux there, and as it is probably a really bad idea to replace the kernel... | 14:12 |
| locusf | it could boot | 14:12 |
| arvut | i have a bluetooth keyboard, if I could pair it via cli, by ssh into phone first | 14:12 |
| locusf | I just don't want to have nothing to do with bringing it to graphics :p | 14:13 |
| arvut | chem|st: not replace, just add another, with new filesystem ofcourse | 14:13 |
| arvut | add another distro to the pile | 14:13 |
| locusf | you do have to replace the kernel | 14:13 |
| arvut | oh | 14:13 |
| locusf | and add the new snapshot | 14:13 |
| arvut | is the kernel part of the bootloader? | 14:13 |
| locusf | well bootloader loads the kernel | 14:13 |
| locusf | and executes initrd | 14:14 |
| arvut | yeah.. but why would I have to replace kernel then? | 14:14 |
| locusf | different initrd | 14:14 |
| locusf | to multiboot | 14:14 |
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| locusf | thats how the kernel is packaged on Jolla | 14:15 |
| arvut | k | 14:15 |
| arvut | its all new to me, exciting! | 14:15 |
| arvut | xD | 14:16 |
| iekku | oops, unlike i mentioned at invitation, meeting is starting 14:30 | 14:16 |
| locusf | so in 14 minutes? | 14:16 |
| iekku | yes | 14:16 |
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| arvut | grab coffee then, off you go | 14:17 |
| iekku | cybette's invitation woke me up | 14:17 |
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| dunp | http://neo900.org/ | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | connection reset? | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah. preorder start | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | slashdot comments talk about 'shitty retarded phone'. ouch | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | er, no | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | freetarded | 15:36 |
| Nicd- | slashdot comments are shit nowadays | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | news.ycombinator.com is where i get my fill these days | 15:37 |
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| temmi_moo | freetarded as in crippled because of someone insisting on Only The Only Possible Free Licence(TM) ?? | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | wow, that page takes ages to load | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | is it hosted in north korea? | 15:39 |
| temmi_moo | i like the white on white text for the important sales pitch | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | it's a nice project though | 15:43 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: it's being slashdotted | 15:45 |
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| ggabriel | Nicd-: i wouldn't check slashdot for feedback on this phone | 15:46 |
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| ggabriel | it isn't for me [the phone] anyway | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't check most of the smartphone reviewers anyway | 15:47 |
| temmi_moo | so, a complete neo900 is 150eur whereas just the mobo will cost 990eur | 15:48 |
| temmi_moo | i think they might have mismatched something | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | mobo? | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | 150eur is very cheap | 15:49 |
| temmi_moo | motherboard | 15:50 |
| Morpog_PC | 1500 | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | ok, so they missed a 0 :) | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | temmi_moo: ta | 15:50 |
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| Nicd- | actually it's 150 € *more* | 15:51 |
| Nicd- | "the cost of the motherboard should be somewhere around 990 EUR. The complete device will cost about 150 EUR more" | 15:51 |
| Morpog_PC | plus VAT | 15:51 |
| Morpog_PC | plus shipping costs :D | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | if i was to do anything today, i'd take a http://www.ingenic.cn/en/?newton/id/1.html , slap a old screen on top and modem over high speed uart.. | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | or the likes | 15:52 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, when does that blog entry about display will be published? Soon is a while ago now :D | 15:54 |
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| arvut | reading up on initrd now, manpage is very neat | 16:24 |
| Mikaela | does someone here recognize issue where aliendalvik is entirely missing network connectivity and sshd doesn't start on boot? <https://together.jolla.com/question/93721/no-network-with-aliendalvik-sshd-doesnt-start-on-boot/> | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | l | 16:50 |
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| chem|st | arvut: still on it... good luck, I still don't get why but well... | 18:27 |
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| Nicd- | hey, anyone here know EU consumer laws? | 19:35 |
| Nicd- | consumer protection laws specifically | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm, maybe it's better to ask what you're wondering | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | not related to jolla, don't worry :) | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | just wondered if they have anything related to stuff being late for months. like you order something which says "estimated delivery" and they push it back month after month after month, at the same time refusing to send you the stuff they already have (they only want to send out completed orders) | 19:37 |
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| flux | don't they cancel your order if you tell them to? | 19:41 |
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| flux | (or part of the order) | 19:42 |
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| flux | or are you hoping to get the already-arrived-items to you with the same cost as the later-to-be-sent parts.. | 19:42 |
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| Nicd- | the last one. probably just up to them and they don't want to do it | 19:46 |
| Nicd- | at least they have had plenty of time to gather interest on my money :P | 19:46 |
| svuorela | Nicd-: according to at least some card processors, you aren't allowed to grab the money before you send out the items. | 19:47 |
| pp | yep, that's probably the best angle, airlines don't get their money until they fly the flight | 19:48 |
| pp | so could be for physical goods as well | 19:48 |
| pp | at least it gives you a pretty good hammer to cluebat the vendor | 19:48 |
| pp | (credit cards, with debit you lose) | 19:49 |
| Nicd- | ain't I glad I used debit thne | 19:51 |
| Nicd- | then* | 19:51 |
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| pp | the "i'm stupid" insurance you might have is nice too, covers any personal stupidity for stuff you buy for a few months :-) | 19:57 |
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| svuorela | Nicd-: but even with debit cards, if they never send anything, you can ask for a chargeback. | 19:57 |
| svuorela | (it gets much more difficult if they send you an empty box) | 19:58 |
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| ShadowJK | Nicd-, sounds like verkkokauppa? | 20:41 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, hm, nm :) | 20:43 |
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| tadzik | hmm, anyidea if https://together.jolla.com/question/74353/question-bluetooth-and-wifi-interference/ is another manifestation of the power problems of jolla? | 21:33 |
| tadzik | or something inherently broken with the hardware and unfixable | 21:34 |
| tiwake | eagerly waiting for tablets to ship :3 | 21:35 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Good evening guyss | 21:39 |
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| tiwake | afternoon | 21:41 |
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| ShadowJK | tadzik, that is unrelated to power problems. | 21:46 |
| tadzik | ShadowJK: but also unit-specific? Is there hope that Care may give me a working device? | 21:47 |
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| ShadowJK | If the device works with only bluetooth, and works with only wifi, then I would expect that the device behaves the same with wifi+bluetooth, as every other device | 21:49 |
| ShadowJK | In other words, "no" | 21:49 |
| tadzik | well then, I guess I'll join the jolla2 hype train next.time it passes by. This sucks | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | The fundamental issue, of course, is that bluetooth and wifi transmit on the same frequencies, so they interfere with eachother | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | I can stream music over wifi, and out via bluetooth to bluetooth headphones, just fine | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | But if I was using my shitty cheap wifi access point that doesn't support wifi powersaving, I imagine that the results would be worse :) | 21:52 |
| ShadowJK | (because then wifi would always be active, leaving little airtime free for bluetooth) | 21:52 |
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| ShadowJK | And also, the weaker bt or wifi signal there is, the more time the wifi or bt radio will stay active, blocking the other radio :/ | 21:54 |
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