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| Nicd- | dat oom <3 | 06:08 |
|---|---|---|
| Nicd- | yesterday evening, had my phone's browser open because I was reading a page | 06:08 |
| Nicd- | it was lying on the table with the display open, I didn't touch it for a minute or so | 06:09 |
| Nicd- | suddenly boom, all apps except phone app dead | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | do you by chance have anything huge in outbox? | 06:09 |
| Nicd- | nothing in there | 06:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:11 |
| Nicd- | I always have running calendar, phone and sailtime | 06:11 |
| Nicd- | usually the phone app survives oom kills | 06:11 |
| Stskeeps | show me your dmesg? | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | when that happens | 06:12 |
| Nicd- | I'll try to get measurements when I get home | 06:12 |
| Nicd- | and logs | 06:12 |
| Nicd- | but I remember from one log that OOM said the browser had over 400 MB of memory when killed | 06:12 |
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| TMavica | Anyone tried dolphin keyboard? | 06:59 |
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| politie | yea | 07:06 |
| tadzik | yea | 07:07 |
| tadzik | I don't know what it does. I installed all bunch of stuff, tweaked some settings, nothing happened | 07:07 |
| politie | its working for me since last update | 07:07 |
| tadzik | what does it change? | 07:08 |
| politie | just got it for the emojis | 07:08 |
| TMavica | tadzik: it cant work for u? | 07:08 |
| politie | besides that, it put a dot where the comma was so theres no comma on it | 07:08 |
| TMavica | Hope the dot? | 07:09 |
| tadzik | TMavica: it doesn't do anything | 07:09 |
| TMavica | Hold | 07:09 |
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| TMavica | tadzik: install core and english+emoji, not work? | 07:09 |
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| tadzik | nothing | 07:09 |
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| tadzik | I also installed the... swipe? Stroke? | 07:10 |
| tadzik | it doesn't even show up in the settings | 07:10 |
| TMavica | Others is for chinese char | 07:10 |
| politie | stroke yea | 07:10 |
| tadzik | ah | 07:10 |
| tadzik | that may explain it :) | 07:10 |
| TMavica | For me just install core and cangjie | 07:11 |
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| TemeV_ | is there sources for dolphin kbd available? | 07:15 |
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| TMavica | I dont know | 07:16 |
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| TMavica | Just know is a kid made it. Lol | 07:17 |
| TemeV | ok | 07:18 |
| TemeV | I'd like to see what it does before installing :) | 07:19 |
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| Sail0r | does anyone know how to get rid of alarms of a deleted calendar? | 07:37 |
| Sail0r | They keep still appearing | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | PMG: ? | 07:38 |
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| PMG | Sail0r: did you delete the calendar account, or did you disable it in the Calendar app? | 07:39 |
| Sail0r | disabled in calendar app and disabled sync for it | 07:40 |
| Sail0r | it's one of 5 caldav calendars | 07:40 |
| Sail0r | rest is still active | 07:40 |
| Sail0r | and if I query for the old notebook id in Components of the sqlite db | 07:43 |
| Sail0r | there is nothing | 07:43 |
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| PMG | Sail0r: ok, will look into the issue, and try to find a way to remove the alarms. The alarms are stored in /home/nemo/.timed/events.data, apparently the alarms were not cleared properly when you disabled the calendar. | 07:47 |
| Sail0r | is it save to delete the file? Or how to get rid of the alarms now? | 07:48 |
| Sail0r | yep looking at the file at the moment all events from this calendar are still their | 07:48 |
| Sail0r | it's 18MB of size | 07:48 |
| PMG | Sail0r: the file contains all alarms from all accounts plus it stores clock/timer alarms. | 07:48 |
| Sail0r | ok | 07:49 |
| Sail0r | is it possible to delete it and regenerate from current calendars? | 07:49 |
| PMG | Sail0r: wow, that's a really big events.data file! | 07:49 |
| Sail0r | maybe the size is the problem | 07:49 |
| Sail0r | timed runs sometimes for half an hour at 100% | 07:50 |
| PMG | Sail0r: yes, timed will probably spend some time parsing that file... | 07:50 |
| temmi_foo | what format is it in? | 07:51 |
| Sail0r | looks like json | 07:51 |
| temmi_foo | 18MB doesn't sound that big a data file to me | 07:51 |
| PMG | temmi_foo: timed uses libiodata, which has a custom format for storing stuff. My long-time dream has been to get rid of said library. | 07:52 |
| Sail0r | ok what happens if I delete it? it's not regenerated in any way? | 07:52 |
| temmi_foo | a jolla phone is pretty close to 20 year old pc in many ways and 18MB would not have been big then | 07:52 |
| temmi_foo | PMG: I'm reading this as: there is a shitty lib parsing that | 07:52 |
| Jope | temmi, shave off 10 years | 07:53 |
| Jope | 18MB was big in 1995 | 07:53 |
| PMG | Sail0r: you can delete the file. Timed reads the contents into memory, so do shut down timed first, then delete events.data.*, then restart timed. | 07:53 |
| temmi_foo | well yes | 07:53 |
| Sail0r | ok | 07:53 |
| Jope | and clock speeds were 100s of MHz | 07:53 |
| PMG | Sail0r: the problem is that you will loose all alarms, the calendar alarms may be recreated by a future synch, but that is not certain. | 07:54 |
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| Sail0r | no problem have nothing important in them at the moment | 07:54 |
| PMG | Sail0r: do a backup of the file, just to be sure :) | 07:54 |
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| Sail0r | ok :) | 07:55 |
| Sail0r | just move it in nemos home | 07:55 |
| temmi_foo | Jope: yes I had 32megs of ram and a 100meg dx4 in -95 | 07:55 |
| PMG | Sail0r: i am trying out to clear alarms from a certain calendar with timedclient-qt5, will report back how that goes | 07:55 |
| Sail0r | thx :) | 07:55 |
| temmi_foo | i'm not sure if i had s3 964 or was that in -96 | 07:55 |
| temmi_foo | also a red gusmax with extra ram (with no benefit) | 07:56 |
| Jope | temmi, you had a lot of ram for the time.. | 07:56 |
| temmi_foo | yes | 07:57 |
| PMG | temmi_foo: you got the shi%& lib part right :) | 07:57 |
| temmi_foo | Jope: i was able to run xemacs succesfully without swapping!!!! hoorays! | 07:57 |
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| Jope | hehheh | 07:57 |
| temmi_foo | turns out it wasn't my kind of editor but i used it as platform for running mail and news and irc clients | 07:57 |
| Jope | I ran those from the shell | 07:58 |
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| temmi_foo | i liked how vm/gnus integrated into each other | 07:59 |
| temmi_foo | also irchat supported nicer multiwindow formatting and rescaling than any other irc client | 07:59 |
| temmi_foo | i ran irc under a screened shell in muncca.fi and connected to it from my ultracool x desk station or some random terminal somewhere | 08:00 |
| temmi_foo | most terminals were 80x24, with some better ones supporting 132x43 | 08:01 |
| temmi_foo | ssh for the winnage <3 | 08:01 |
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| temmi_foo | before that i did not dare use any remote shell access | 08:02 |
| Jope | good old telnet should be enough for everyone | 08:02 |
| temmi_foo | :) | 08:02 |
| Jope | when I joined nokia in 2001, they were still telneting around | 08:02 |
| Jope | on the intranet of course. | 08:02 |
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| Jope | that changed pretty soon though | 08:02 |
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| temmi_foo | telnet and rlogin were good for karl koch | 08:03 |
| temmi_foo | been using ssh pretty much from when it was released, iirc in ftp.funet.fi | 08:06 |
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| Nicd- | http://www.stjsgadgets-portal.com/2015/05/snapdragon-818-10-cores-chipset-from.html | 08:34 |
| Nicd- | more cores! | 08:34 |
| politie | we defenatly need more cores | 08:36 |
| Nicd- | related: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9227/mediatek-helio-x20 | 08:36 |
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| politie | i need 8 cores for whatsapp only | 08:37 |
| Nicd- | definitely an interesting idea, having low-, mid- and high-end cpus for different requirements in the same package | 08:37 |
| Helle | Nicd-: 4 fast cores, 4 slow cores, 2 "device" cores running the codecs, etc in a seperate memory space ? | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | wonder when they'll start shipping same chip for everything and then require a paid upgrade to enable some cores.. | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: don't they already do that? just that the payment is up front :P | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | ie damn cheap but you only get one core, if you pay higher subscription, it enables more core.. | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | so they just make one model of device in mass production | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | Helle: dunno more specifically, but the snapdragon is 4-2-4 and the helios is 2-4-4 (2 high power cores) | 08:39 |
| Helle | Nicd-: interesting | 08:39 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: IIUC QC does something like that already, e.g. for modem features and other things | 08:39 |
| Helle | Stskeeps: heh, the IBM Mainframe model | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | well, if it gets me near-zero hw cost.. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:40 |
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| Helle | and fun hacking | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | wonder if it can only run one "cluster" at a time? | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | or use cores from different clusters concurrently | 08:41 |
| Helle | Nicd-: often they share cache and/or memory access HW | 08:41 |
| Helle | so you can't | 08:41 |
| * Stskeeps ponders selling an octacore jolla device as a one-core that you then pay to have more cores.. :p | 08:41 | |
| Nicd- | downloadmorecores.com | 08:41 |
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| zutto | i wonder what kind of prices those helio clusters will have | 08:42 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: mainframe strategy? :) | 08:44 |
| ggabriel | also, may be taken out of context, people will be raging for a new 8 core jolla device coming up end of may :P | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: it seems to work for some companies | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:44 |
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| Hartzi | is there any way to fake gps position on jolla? | 08:53 |
| dirkvl | like force it to think it is on the moon? | 08:53 |
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| Hartzi | something like that | 08:57 |
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| Nicd- | sadly GPS only covers the earth | 09:02 |
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| flux | nicd-, not necessarily.. how high can the altitude be?-) | 09:03 |
| flux | sadly2 I think probably not very high, those gps-folks have probably found a meaning for every single bit | 09:04 |
| flux | but probably the interfaces within Jolla would allow for very high altitudes? | 09:04 |
| PMG | Sail0r: here's a short script that will remove all alarms: https://gist.github.com/pgerdt/996e411665a8df94c5ad | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | thx | 09:06 |
| PMG | Sail0r: meant to say all alarms based on the notebook id, which the script takes as parameter | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | just the notebook id as argument it seems | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | thx :)= | 09:06 |
| PMG | Sail0r: the script removes alarms managed by timed, it does not affect the calendar DB in any way, future synchs of the notebook may /will bring back the alarms | 09:07 |
| Sail0r | cool thx :) | 09:07 |
| PMG | Sail0r: a final warning: the removal is permanent, I recommend backups ;) | 09:08 |
| Sail0r | thx ;) | 09:08 |
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| Sail0r | Authentication required for 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/latest/xt9/armv7hl/?credentials=store' | 09:18 |
| Sail0r | oO | 09:18 |
| Sail0r | wtf | 09:18 |
| Sail0r | happens when i use zypper from cli | 09:18 |
| Mikaela | Calendar questions: how do I 1. move event to another calendar and 2. change the default calendar? | 09:22 |
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| Mikaela | I would prefer my events to be in Gogle Calendar as it's accessible with PC too and I see events there more easily than trying to find them from phone memory and I seem to be accidentally putting events to "private" calendar which I believe means local and not synced | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | Mikaela: 2. wasn't this in system->apps->calendar? | 09:24 |
| Mikaela | ggabriel: calendar is grayed out in system --> apps | 09:25 |
| Mikaela | and 1. is grayed out in the "edit event" | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | Mikaela: oh, ok, for 2. I have simply deselected the personal calendar from calendar->manage calendars (pulley menu) | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | then it defaults to my caldav one | 09:26 |
| Mikaela | for me it still defaults to private, I think | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | in your case, it will be the google one | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | i can still add events to my personal one though | 09:27 |
| politie | maybe in settings accounts? | 09:27 |
| Mikaela | hmm, maybe it remembers where I last saved | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | Mikaela: https://together.jolla.com/question/7059/selecting-the-default-calendar-or-moving-events-to-other-calendar/ | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | that's the best place to find info/ask | 09:28 |
| Mikaela | yes, the previous calendar is remember | 09:28 |
| Mikaela | thanks, taking a look | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | i still need to sort out my caldav one :P | 09:29 |
| Mikaela | now I just have to use my hands and sync Google Calendar with paper calendar (when will that become automatic?) because some family members don't want to move away from paper calendar and they are annoyed by my events not being in it... | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | i think google calendar must die, so when that happens you will only have the paper calendar, Mikaela ;) | 09:30 |
| Mikaela | no, when it dies I will rather use effort to setup OwnCloud to my VPS or Pi or something at cottage, or at least I think people have said that OwnCloud includes calendar | 09:31 |
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| CityLights2 | any news about buying battaried? | 12:24 |
| CityLights2 | batteries | 12:24 |
| Nicd- | no | 12:28 |
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| flux | btw, was the time zone issue regarding owncloud calendar syncing fixed? | 12:46 |
| anYc | if I didn't miss a update, no. | 12:48 |
| anYc | but the developer is quite active, so I guess it will improve with the next update(s) | 12:49 |
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| tango_ | hm is it just me or the UI doesn't allow using DHCP + custom DNS? | 14:31 |
| tango_ | (for wlan) | 14:31 |
| sjtoik | just you | 14:35 |
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| tango_ | sjtoik: hm I have either the option of automatic IP (which doesn't allow me to customize DNS) or fully manual entry | 15:35 |
| tango_ | and this is on the latest firmware | 15:35 |
| Sail0r | for jolla? | 15:37 |
| tango_ | yep | 15:37 |
| Sail0r | why want you customize DNS when using automatic IP? | 15:38 |
| Sail0r | mine always registers itself as jolla | 15:38 |
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| locusf | dns nameserver | 15:40 |
| Sail0r | ah | 15:40 |
| Sail0r | but most of the time it indeed doesn't make sense to set another dns server then provided via DHCP | 15:40 |
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| Sail0r | sounds more like a broken setup if you need to do this | 15:41 |
| coderus | sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf | 15:42 |
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| fennekki | >nano | 15:48 |
| fennekki | oh wait this was an actual serious channel | 15:48 |
| fennekki | I'm sorry | 15:48 |
| Yaniel | >was | 15:48 |
| fennekki | on any other channel I would've gone into a rant about how you should TOTALLY use vi | 15:48 |
| fennekki | vim* | 15:48 |
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| fennekki | I should be more careful | 15:49 |
| fennekki | ...though honestly, having used vim so much, I'm finding it difficult to use nano properly | 15:49 |
| fennekki | also, if you have sudo, you could just as well use sudoedit | 15:50 |
| fennekki | it makes a temp copy of the file so you can't make conflicting changes with anything else | 15:50 |
| fennekki | EDITOR=$EDITOR sudoedit $FILE | 15:51 |
| ahjolinna | u can find vim at openrepos, if u really want it | 15:51 |
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| fennekki | the vi on jolla is actually vim, tho | 15:51 |
| Yaniel | spoiler: you don't need openrepos for that, it's preinstalled at least if you install dev mode | 15:51 |
| fennekki | some kinda stripped-down version, I presume | 15:51 |
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| fennekki | it even sets nocompatible, ffs, it's not really vi :D | 15:52 |
| ahjolinna | Yaniel: why is there a openrepos version then? :D | 15:52 |
| fennekki | maybe it has help pages, or is a newer version, or something | 15:53 |
| ahjolinna | does the openrepos version have more patches..its seems to have 703 | 15:54 |
| Nicd- | what's wrong with nano? | 15:55 |
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| truls | not leet enough for the leet crowd | 15:55 |
| Nicd- | it's really simple and does the job most of the time | 15:55 |
| Nicd- | no useless bells and whistles | 15:55 |
| fennekki | yeah nano is fine | 15:57 |
| fennekki | I hear it even has undo | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | i think the best editor is pico | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | i don't know what you guys are talking about | 15:58 |
| truls | nano is ~the same as pico, only made with a GPL-license, where pico was bundled with the email client pine under a different license | 16:00 |
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| fennekki | isn't nano basically a pico clone | 16:00 |
| fennekki | with the express purpose of being pico, but GNU | 16:01 |
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| Tegu | and alpine is similar story, I guess? | 16:01 |
| Helle | fennekki: these days a lot of work went into newbie friendlier then even pico | 16:01 |
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| Tegu | apparently yes: "alpine - an Alternatively Licensed Program for Internet News and Email" | 16:02 |
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| ggabriel | admittedly, even gentoo uses nano as default editor, and gentoo is meant to be "hardcore" | 16:04 |
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| truls | cough | 16:04 |
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| fennekki | eh | 16:04 |
| fennekki | I find what text editor someone uses mostly tells what text editor someone uses | 16:05 |
| fennekki | I mean, vim isn't beginner-friendly, and I guess emacs isn't THAT beginner-friendly, either, but beyond that it's just "I used this for a while so I know how to use it now" | 16:05 |
| fennekki | and then you don't stop using it because why would you | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | proper text editors, user friendly or not, are complex anyway | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | i use vim most of the time | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | and get slightly frustrated when i use vi and i try V | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | but then I can count, so it's ok :) | 16:07 |
| fennekki | hah | 16:07 |
| truls | edlin.com | 16:07 |
| fennekki | ...anyway, speaking of gentoo, I might be using Gentoo right now | 16:07 |
| fennekki | I seem to have no vim open tho | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | me too, and i don't see vim open | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | but i remmeber seeing some swap files | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | clearly something went wrong ;) | 16:08 |
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| meklu | I just set a separate directory for that | 17:06 |
| meklu | :directory iirc | 17:06 |
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| simor | some DIT: http://goo.gl/forms/dMTYAXwTre | 20:26 |
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| Blizzz | ever happened that you charge your jolla phone and it's getting untouchably hot after some time? | 21:55 |
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| coderus | it means battery? | 21:58 |
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