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| SfietKonstantinW | morning ! | 07:04 |
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| Stskeeps | morn SfietKonstantinW | 07:04 |
| politie | morning! | 07:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | so, who followed the build stuff from MS ? | 07:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | we got interesting stuff. I do liked the objC running on Windows stuff :) | 07:04 |
| Nicd- | looks like we are in the "embrace" phase right now ;) | 07:05 |
| SfietKonstantinW | "embrace" phase ? | 07:05 |
| SfietKonstantinW | like "devs, embrace windows platform" ? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | embrace, extend, extinguish | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish | 07:06 |
| SfietKonstantinW | hum | 07:06 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I do wonder how they could extend and extinguish stuff like html5 or objc | 07:06 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | I guess this worked before, but now, it's not all about MS anymore. Google and Apple at least bring some competitivity in SW industry | 07:07 |
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| Nicd- | 1) make ms dev tools run cross-platform and get good pr from all the openness, 2) add features only present in the windows version, 3) ..., 4) profit!!! | 07:08 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | 2) seems to be already the case: only native apps have access to some features | 07:09 |
| SfietKonstantinW | still, this won't make android devs move to native ms | 07:09 |
| SfietKonstantinW | maybe some weired linking between android cross compiled java app and a small part of native glue code :s | 07:09 |
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| Teme | is it possible to somehow exclude applications from being OOM killed? | 08:20 |
| Teme | media player getting killed while it is playing music is just retarded... | 08:20 |
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| Teme | rather just kill everything else if it's in my pocket | 08:21 |
| flux | technically it is possible to write a large negative number to /proc/process-id/oom_score_adj | 08:21 |
| flux | but it's not very convenient | 08:21 |
| flux | but yeah, I've found myself in the same situation, though the player was an android app in my case | 08:22 |
| Teme | the process id is not predictable so quite inconvenient :D | 08:23 |
| temmi_foo | how about modifying oomkiller heuristics so that it would give negative weight to actively running processes that have a media output stream open? | 08:23 |
| flux | you can do after-the-fact, or you can have a script that does it in the background, etc :) | 08:23 |
| Teme | yeah i could try scripting it, not sure if i have the guns for such unix wizardry though :) | 08:24 |
| flux | well, oom killer is inside the kernelso it's a bit difficult to detect that kind of thing from kernel | 08:24 |
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| temmi_foo | oh | 08:24 |
| flux | it would need to work in co-operating with pulse audio I think | 08:25 |
| temmi_foo | flux: indeed | 08:25 |
| temmi_foo | i just forgot that in linuxes, everything is inkernel :) | 08:25 |
| flux | if it's the _only_ factor that matters, then a pulseaudio module could tune the oom_score_adj files (except for pesky permission matters perhaps) | 08:25 |
| flux | a better solution would have another process that exchanges the information with other daemons (such as pulseaudio) and then tunes the score files accordingly | 08:26 |
| flux | but this is already much bigger solution that just a script that does it for you 8-) | 08:26 |
| flux | temmi_foo, well, it really makes sense to have oom killer in the kernel, because you don't really want a kernel operation to wait for a user space process make more memory available :) | 08:28 |
| temmi_foo | that makes the killer either blind or hugely dependant on the external system (something that's not a kernely thing at all) | 08:31 |
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| flux | well, kernel has a pretty good idea who uses memory.. | 08:34 |
| flux | and if you want to provide more information you need to provide it before hand, not at the time the system is in pain ;) | 08:35 |
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| temmi_foo | not knowing the system at all before this chat, i'm currently thinking about a smallish daemon to adjust the weights | 08:36 |
| flux | I'm wondering if such a daemon already exists.. | 08:37 |
| temmi_foo | the daemon then should be from the system vendor and have enough apis that it can receive hints from the ux layer based on what the end user actually requested (if any) | 08:37 |
| temmi_foo | might be | 08:37 |
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| mcfrisk | hooray for random reboots and shutdowns, is jolla still in official denial that there aren't any HW bugs in the devices ;D hopefully wiping the connectors helps again.. | 10:50 |
| entil | I'm in denial about needing to take mine to care, instead I shoved paper up its arse | 10:51 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: find an SMD soldering shop and let them resolder the connectors? | 10:51 |
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| mcfrisk | I had mine already once in repair and it has the 'official' sticker under the battery to provide more connector pressure | 10:52 |
| mcfrisk | chem|st: resolder the connectors? so the connectors are ok but not correctly soldered to main board? or are the connectors and battery pads just oxidicing or something | 10:54 |
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| tbr | mcfrisk: the accepted theory is that there is oxide buildup, possibly due to impurities. cleaning helps. if you get into soldering your option is to find different but mechanically matching connectors and hope they don't interact. | 10:56 |
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| flux | cool, I apparently pocket-pressed the power button | 11:10 |
| Nicd- | my phone rebooted too, about an hour ago. maybe they are synced! | 11:14 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: some say the springs are too weak, my phones have pretty strong springs though | 11:50 |
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| chem|st | I don't believe in sticker magic, at least my batteries fit 100% tight at the bay so why should more pressure help?! | 11:52 |
| coderus | use electric lubricant as kimmoli did | 11:53 |
| chem|st | might be that a loose battery being tightened up but not more pressure to the connectors | 11:53 |
| chem|st | coderus: solder the battery to the board, as there are no replacements anyway^^ | 11:54 |
| coderus | chem|st: i doubt it will be easy to solder this type of connector without disassembly of battery | 11:56 |
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| chem|st | who said so? | 12:17 |
| flux | chem|st, what? did you miss that one batch of batteries that was sold out in a few hours! | 12:21 |
| chem|st | flux: I make my own packs | 12:22 |
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| kimmoli | http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/29/ch4-bum-trumpet-sensor/ | 12:48 |
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| chem|st | Sorry I am a bit annoyed right now. This is nothing personal! | 13:03 |
| chem|st | Do we get this question now with every early-access? How long will it be before the next early-access will have the same question? It was said some while ago one week after early-access, that is Tuesday next week? So how about waiting at least till Tuesday until asking about releases? The last EAR is not even cold yet (48h)! Should we get an inverse progress bar on top of the TJC menu and auto-ask these questions as soon as Jolla did not announce | 13:03 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/91545/is-update-114-already-public-or-when-will-it-be/ | 13:03 |
| chem|st | just needed to get that off my chest, and before I post it to tjc I better let you gals participate in my rage! | 13:04 |
| flux | probably one week after early-access if everything goes smoothly.. everyting did not go smoothly :-) | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: people being impatient? nah... i won't believe it ;) | 13:07 |
| chem|st | ;) | 13:07 |
| chem|st | flux: one week after early access RC is in 120hours | 13:07 |
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| grzywacz | It's the "now generation". | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | :sigh: i'll go get an android phone, they surely get updates a lot more often | 13:08 |
| chem|st | grzywacz: feels like future gen.... | 13:08 |
| Yaniel | gabriel9: *they surely get updates | 13:09 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: some android phones get pretty reliable upgrades! never! | 13:09 |
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| ggabriel | mine gets updates every day. | 13:09 |
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| ggabriel | probably because i hit "decline" to the window that asks if i'm ok with google monitoring my device | 13:10 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: pieces but not system... that does not count | 13:11 |
| chem|st | google-account update is not considered a system upgrade | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i know, being a bit sarcastic only :) don't get too worked up | 13:11 |
| chem|st | sry I am a bit on the edge today | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | hopefully for more important things ;) | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | i do find it annoying sometimes when people are too insitent, and especially when they are too insistent on silly things | 13:13 |
| Yaniel | hmm I think I have a photo that could work nicely for the ambience thingy | 13:17 |
| Yaniel | probably needs a touch of color balancing though.. *digs into archive* | 13:17 |
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| chem|st | we hit rock bottom it seems - sailfish fun-phrasing | 22:59 |
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| chem|st | coderus: your whatsapp uses textsecure encryption just got obsolete after I read a todays article about WA being too dumb to not distribute developer versions of their app with automatic callrecording (nice feature but actually illegal) | 23:05 |
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| chem|st | oh and it took them 4 weeks to recognize | 23:06 |
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| coderus | chem|st: i do not understand why you mentioned me | 23:21 |
| coderus | what wrong with my client? | 23:21 |
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| chem|st | coderus: you tried to convince me that WA isn't all that bad | 23:25 |
| chem|st | not your client :) | 23:25 |
| chem|st | next time I write with "" so it is clear how I mean it sry | 23:26 |
| coderus | calls in whatsapp anyway not worth it | 23:33 |
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| chem|st | was more about the company handling stuff (ever since) | 23:43 |
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| HtheB | lol, still fighting? xD | 23:44 |
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