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| coderus | Jolla Phone have NO FM receiver, right?? | 09:04 |
| truls | right | 09:04 |
| Mikaela | I think somone has said that there is something that could work as FM radio, but no antenna | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus: there is a chip but not wired up | 09:12 |
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| Morpog_PC | what a shame | 09:23 |
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| temmi_hoo | the antenna would need to be pretty long | 09:24 |
| coderus | temmi_hoo: why? | 09:24 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: you mean antenna also | 09:24 |
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| coderus | ? | 09:24 |
| temmi_hoo | for omnidirectional performance, it should be 1/4 wavelength | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | well it should be hooked up to the headphone jack | 09:25 |
| coderus | temmi_hoo: it's FM | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | like most portable radios | 09:25 |
| temmi_hoo | coderus: roughly 100MHz | 09:26 |
| temmi_hoo | if it is FM or AM or USB or QPSK or QAM doesn't mean a thing here, just the wavelentgh | 09:26 |
| coderus | temmi_hoo: so, wavelength is about 3 meters | 09:27 |
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| temmi_hoo | think about a traditional car antenna, that's about optimal | 09:27 |
| temmi_hoo | it can be shortened with suitable coil loading circuit but then its directional performance suffers | 09:28 |
| coderus | but only "stock" antenna. replacement antennas are mostly crap | 09:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but theres optimal, and then theres 'works most of the time' | 09:28 |
| temmi_hoo | most modern phones having fm use the headphone cable as antenna | 09:28 |
| temmi_hoo | they don't receive without headphones plugged in | 09:28 |
| r0kk3rz | exactly | 09:29 |
| temmi_hoo | with headphone jacks being as they are, it's not something i like having plugged in while the phone is in a pocket | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | never been a problem for me | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus: wiring up to headphone plug, something about pcb space | 09:38 |
| temmi_hoo | a good hacker will naturally wire the antenna with patch wire | 09:40 |
| temmi_hoo | wire wrap wire is pretty good for smd hacking | 09:40 |
| r0kk3rz | pcb space, not to mention additional noise and testing .etc | 09:44 |
| temmi_hoo | but if you hack it, you don't need to care :) | 09:44 |
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| HtheB | coderus: I was wondering if you were going to update the launcher patch (I like to have to remove the folder icons and use the "app icons" as folders instead) | 13:39 |
| coderus | HtheB: it's not done | 13:42 |
| coderus | too much changes | 13:42 |
| coderus | Jolla moved to dynamic layout in u13 | 13:43 |
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| coderus | means for bigger resolution it will have more columns by default | 13:43 |
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| HtheB | hmm | 13:44 |
| HtheB | what about just a seperate folder patch to have the clear folder icon? | 13:44 |
| Morpog_PC | HtheB, why don't you try to do it by yourself? | 14:00 |
| HtheB | because i was using it only for the folder icon | 14:00 |
| coderus | HtheB: no, thanks :) | 14:00 |
| HtheB | because im n00b | 14:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | and? | 14:00 |
| HtheB | Morpog_PC: why reinventing the wheel, while it's already done before | 14:01 |
| Morpog_PC | seems ,ore like: why wasting your own tome when someone else can waste it | 14:01 |
| HtheB | no | 14:01 |
| Morpog_PC | sorry :D | 14:01 |
| HtheB | I'm "wasting" my time with TOHKBD and Whatsup | 14:01 |
| HtheB | I don't sit here and do nothing... | 14:01 |
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| eye_a | jolla )0!1@ joh | 14:40 |
| coderus | HtheB: i'm just very busy with mitakuuluu now, almost no time for any other projects | 14:41 |
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| sobukus | My jolla just phoned a lot of people in a row, just lying there with the flashlight app running. | 15:27 |
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| sobukus | I realize this while they call me back. | 15:27 |
| DrainBamaged | Your Jolla has friends too? ;) | 15:28 |
| sobukus | Well, it's trying hard not to be friends with me:-( | 15:28 |
| sobukus | First he speaker is suddenly defect (distortion ... or a sudden software glitch?) | 15:29 |
| sobukus | then it raises the bar of "funny things happen, not sure if software bug or me triggering things by chance without looking via touchscreen" | 15:29 |
| DrainBamaged | Hm, mine's never given me any jip, considered sending off for a repair? | 15:29 |
| sobukus | The speaker thing likely is a repair issue. | 15:30 |
| sobukus | The spontaneous calling I cannot explain yet. | 15:30 |
| DrainBamaged | It is a little odd, aye | 15:30 |
| sobukus | It could be that my finger was on the touchscreen while holding the phone . | 15:30 |
| sobukus | But the flashlight was running. The phone became rather warm, too. | 15:31 |
| DrainBamaged | I'm no expert, so no clue :S | 15:31 |
| sobukus | Me neither, and I don't like that. | 15:31 |
| sobukus | Sometimes I wish for a phone, not a ... thing with a life on its own. | 15:31 |
| DrainBamaged | I do PC repairs, so the old 'Have you tried switching it off and on again?' routine, but I don't think that applies with your phone's faults | 15:31 |
| sobukus | You may laught, I did switch it off and on. | 15:32 |
| sobukus | laugh | 15:32 |
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| sobukus | I just bought the thing because of TOHKBD and now I probably will have to send it off for repair while the keyboard might arrive. | 15:33 |
| * sobukus looks at his old Philips android phone, trusty backup? | 15:33 | |
| sobukus | Not that I like the touchscreen on that one. | 15:33 |
| DrainBamaged | I am not lucky enough to order one of those yet, I just have all the other half different colours | 15:33 |
| DrainBamaged | Though I do like the look of the disco one from Funky OH | 15:34 |
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| coderus | sobukus: install devicelock code | 15:36 |
| coderus | and your phone can't call anyone :) | 15:36 |
| DrainBamaged | Ever again? :P | 15:36 |
| sobukus | coderus: another kind of code? | 15:36 |
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| phlixi | Hi | 16:06 |
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| phlixi | at work i use a lot of vms and i use hyper v there.... (and i like hyper-v...) | 16:07 |
| phlixi | now i need a vm at home and wonder what i should youse | 16:07 |
| phlixi | use* | 16:07 |
| phlixi | maybe, i want to write an app for the jolla phone sometime in the future | 16:08 |
| phlixi | i guess, then i should not use hyper-v now, since i can not hyper v together for example with vmware | 16:08 |
| DrainBamaged | MS Virtual PC? | 16:08 |
| phlixi | ...but i need some vm stuff if i would want to write an app for jolla, right? | 16:09 |
| phlixi | afaik that does not exist anylonger and is now hyperv | 16:09 |
| phlixi | ...and i do not need support for win xp any more :))) | 16:10 |
| phlixi | according to the first paragraph of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC MS Virtual PC is not an option, as i suspected, this is now hyper v | 16:12 |
| phlixi | arent sailfish apps developed against some vm? | 16:14 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: well, there is VirtualBox | 16:19 |
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| phlixi_ | tigeli: are you familiar with VirtualBox? | 16:19 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: kind of | 16:20 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: https://www.virtualbox.org/ | 16:20 |
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| phlixi_ | is there a free version with some kind of version control for my machines? | 16:20 |
| tigeli | phlixi_: I've opinion about hyper-v too.. it's utter crap :D | 16:20 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: there's free version and it supports snapshots | 16:21 |
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| phlixi_ | tigeli: i use it a lot and it just does all what i need, i can not complain (and i do not want to start a flamewar :) ) | 16:21 |
| phlixi_ | great, i will try it | 16:21 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: hehe.. I used to run esx clusters ;) | 16:21 |
| phlixi_ | however i am curios why you think it is crap | 16:21 |
| tigeli | phlixi_: and because of that.. the opinion ;) | 16:22 |
| phlixi_ | while i understand someone might not like ms, this does not make their products crap | 16:22 |
| tigeli | but sure, hyper-v has evolved since then | 16:22 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: well, the first touch with hyper-v was something like: "wtf.. you can't remove snapshots while the vm is running" ;) | 16:23 |
| tigeli | phlixi_: I guess it can do it nowadays | 16:23 |
| tigeli | but yeah.. vmware is bit more ahead | 16:23 |
| tigeli | and more expensive too | 16:24 |
| phlixi_ | my machines are started when i boot up my workstation, o have nice little trees of version of those machines which i can switch around within a few seconds, the machines need little space on the drive etc... | 16:24 |
| phlixi_ | i guess thats a low requirement to those vm systems, but hyper-v does all that prefectly for me | 16:24 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: of course it's about the needs :) | 16:25 |
| phlixi_ | i am not sure if it is possible now, but in my case i can simply stop the machine within 2 seconds | 16:25 |
| phlixi_ | on the other hand, for some reason i dont know, i have vmplayer here (private) and it can nothing. i have to copy 10gb to get some kind of "snapshot" | 16:26 |
| tigeli | phlixi_: well, you can't just stop vm's in environment where you are supposed to keep the systems running 24/7 | 16:26 |
| tigeli | phlixi_: and I guess that's the difference :) | 16:26 |
| phlixi_ | tigeli: thats perfectly celar to me, but does not matter, i use them for testing etc, not rinning services | 16:26 |
| tigeli | :) | 16:26 |
| tigeli | yep, for testing hyper-v should be just fine | 16:26 |
| phlixi_ | and its freee | 16:27 |
| tigeli | and of course lots of enterprises have switched to hyper-v recently due the costs of vmware | 16:27 |
| phlixi_ | (yes i know it isnt, but icomes with win8 | 16:27 |
| tigeli | I think we had to pay ~150ke per year for the support for vmware.. ;) | 16:27 |
| tigeli | and not speaking about the licenses :) | 16:28 |
| phlixi_ | also it was prety easy to convert an old physical machine into a vm | 16:28 |
| tigeli | well, that's been easy for the last 10 years | 16:28 |
| phlixi_ | i guess most of my needs are pretty easy ones | 16:28 |
| tigeli | phlixi_: well, I don't use ESX's at home either ;) | 16:28 |
| phlixi_ | however, i see that vmware player does not do what i want, thus i was looking for an alternative | 16:29 |
| tigeli | yeah, vmware player.. sucks ;) | 16:29 |
| tigeli | would have to be something like vmware workstation | 16:29 |
| phlixi_ | now you begin to understand why i like hyperv :P | 16:29 |
| phlixi_ | but thats expensive i guess | 16:29 |
| tigeli | with osx the vmware fusion is quite cheap though | 16:29 |
| tigeli | but on linux machines I use either kvm+qemu or virtualbox | 16:30 |
| tigeli | yes, workstation is not free | 16:30 |
| phlixi_ | i am on windows (and i do not see that chaning in the near future, and if, then linux, but for sure not mac) | 16:30 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: but please try out the virtualbox | 16:31 |
| tigeli | it's not perfect but does the job rather well | 16:31 |
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| phlixi_ | but oracle is evil | 16:31 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 16:31 |
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| phlixi_ | kidding, already downloading | 16:32 |
| tigeli | well, oracle is evil :D | 16:33 |
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| phlixi_ | well, i guess it was a waste of bandwidth to download 182 patches for win7, as i will trash the machine and startover with vb | 16:33 |
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| phlixi_ | yeah, but so is ms, thus this is not an argument for or against virtualbox or hyperv | 16:34 |
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| phlixi_ | well, i am in bavaria. we have laws that force supermarkets to close at 8pm and not opening on sunday... i have to proceed later... but i will try virtualbox, thanks tigeli :-) | 16:36 |
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| tigeli | phlixi_: haha.. never heard of Bavaria, had to google it. I really don't get it why Germans translate City/State/everything. :D | 16:39 |
| tigeli | Bayern would have said something :) | 16:39 |
| tigeli | like Kln.. it's Kln, not Cologne :D | 16:39 |
| phlixi_ | or Nuremberg | 16:39 |
| phlixi_ | I live in Nürnberg | 16:39 |
| phlixi_ | :) | 16:40 |
| phlixi_ | i guess it is more the other way around | 16:40 |
| phlixi_ | there is praha, prag and prague | 16:40 |
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| tigeli | :) | 16:42 |
| tigeli | I will visit the Gnzburg in the summer.. Legoland! ;) | 16:42 |
| phlixi_ | thats like 100, maybe 200km from here | 16:43 |
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| phlixi_ | ...and they also have to close their shops at 8pm :-) | 16:45 |
| phlixi_ | cu | 16:45 |
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| HtheB | coderus: thanks for the clarification :) | 16:58 |
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| sakustar | can i silence only fb messages in messages app? | 18:31 |
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| chem|st | nope | 18:36 |
| chem|st | BOFH answer is yes | 18:36 |
| chem|st | deactivate the account | 18:36 |
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| sakustar | :( | 19:26 |
| sakustar | idk since rmoving im sound didnt work even after a reboot | 19:27 |
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| tadzik | hrm, my Store is still stuck on Loading apps | 23:09 |
| tadzik | warehouse works fine | 23:09 |
| coderus | delete and create jolla account? | 23:10 |
| tadzik | hm, worth a try | 23:10 |
| tadzik | yep, that worked. Thanks coderus | 23:11 |
| HtheB | I have some problems with my jolla | 23:16 |
| HtheB | I've been trying to install an android app, but I keep getting an error that my memory is full | 23:16 |
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| HtheB | although I still have like 3GB left on my device | 23:17 |
| Yaniel | btrfs balance | 23:17 |
| HtheB | yeah i've been checking on google, but I didn't understand anything about the btrfs balance | 23:17 |
| HtheB | what exactly should I do? | 23:18 |
| Yaniel | if you can, free up some more space just to be sure | 23:18 |
| Yaniel | then run devel-su btrfs fi balance start / | 23:18 |
| HtheB | yeah i've removed a lot already | 23:18 |
| HtheB | (more like 1GB) | 23:18 |
| HtheB | alright, let me run the command | 23:19 |
| Yaniel | the btrfs version on the device tends to explode over time | 23:19 |
| Yaniel | unless rebalanced every now and then | 23:19 |
| HtheB | i've got the early access version | 23:19 |
| HtheB | shouldn't it be fixed by now? :P | 23:19 |
| Yaniel | no | 23:19 |
| Yaniel | the kernel hasn't been updated (only patched) so the btrfs version is still the same | 23:20 |
| Yaniel | early access should balancy on tuesday nights if the phone is connected to the charger | 23:20 |
| HtheB | makes sence | 23:20 |
| HtheB | balancing right now | 23:20 |
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| HtheB | any idea how long it could take? | 23:21 |
| Yaniel | 0.5-1h probably | 23:22 |
| HtheB | ouch, | 23:22 |
| HtheB | should have asked first :P | 23:23 |
| Yaniel | don't ctrl+c it | 23:23 |
| HtheB | no no | 23:23 |
| Yaniel | if you want to stop it, open a new terminal | 23:23 |
| Yaniel | and issue the same command with s/start/stop/ | 23:23 |
| HtheB | what exactly does this btrfs do? | 23:23 |
| Yaniel | it is a filesystem | 23:23 |
| Yaniel | optimized for flash memory | 23:23 |
| HtheB | hmm | 23:23 |
| TemeV | btrfs is not actually for flash | 23:24 |
| HtheB | i see | 23:24 |
| TemeV | it is just in general very scalable file system | 23:24 |
| HtheB | will there be a kernel update? | 23:24 |
| TemeV | mostlikely not, because there is no drivers for newer kernels, AFAIK | 23:25 |
| HtheB | this is kinda serious 'bug' :( | 23:26 |
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| Yaniel | that's how it is unfortunately | 23:27 |
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| HtheB | Done, had to replace 22 out of 22 chunks | 23:46 |
| HtheB | relocate * | 23:47 |
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| HtheB | Yaniel: problem still there :( | 23:48 |
| Yaniel | strange | 23:48 |
| * HtheB reboots device | 23:48 | |
| HtheB | :( | 23:50 |
| HtheB | what else could it be? | 23:50 |
| HtheB | I have 3GB left, i just want to install Sygic, which is only like 30MB... | 23:51 |
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| falfa | exactly | 23:53 |
| Yaniel | what does btrfs fi show / say? | 23:53 |
| HtheB | as root? | 23:57 |
| HtheB | ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device | 23:58 |
| * HtheB removed another 1.5GB and STILL have the same problem :P | 23:59 | |
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