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| greenit | hi, is there a swype-like keyboard for the jolla? preferably installable via the store or warehouse | 06:07 |
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| locusf | coderus: now you're telling me, just upgraded last night :p | 06:08 |
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| Bysmyyr | greenit: nope | 06:10 |
| greenit | :( | 06:12 |
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| coderus | greenit: there is one under development by some people | 06:21 |
| tzafrir | My GPS doesn't seem to work. See what I just added in: | 06:21 |
| tzafrir | https://together.jolla.com/question/25740/gps-takes-forever-to-find-location-after-1038/ | 06:21 |
| coderus | locusf: it was 5 hours ago, it was night :D | 06:21 |
| tzafrir | Any idea what I should check? | 06:21 |
| greenit | coderus: do you probably know the name of it or do you have a link for me? :) | 06:21 |
| locusf | coderus: yeah | 06:22 |
| locusf | my fonts are all sorts of bad | 06:22 |
| coderus | tzafrir: try CSD tests for GPS | 06:22 |
| coderus | greenit: no, just somw swype-like keyboard, they talking sometimes about development things on #sailfishos | 06:22 |
| greenit | ah, thanks | 06:23 |
| tzafrir | coderus, sorry, I'm not familiar with the term. Any FM for me to R? | 06:23 |
| coderus | tzafrir: *#*#310#*#* | 06:25 |
| tzafrir | coderus, sorry, but I still don't follow. I should dial this string? I should send it to some device? What should I expect? | 06:29 |
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| coderus | dial of course | 06:31 |
| tzafrir | What should I expect? | 06:31 |
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| coderus | csd tool | 06:35 |
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| coderus | hm, it seems not working from dialer anymore? o_O | 06:37 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: ^ ? | 06:37 |
| coderus | tzafrir: just type csd in terminal then | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | it should work | 06:37 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: i just tried, and it dialed *#*#310#*#*, not started csd | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: should | 06:39 |
| teve | works for me | 06:39 |
| coderus | i didn't even patched it, it's my girlfriend jolla with 1.1.4.28 | 06:40 |
| coderus | wtf | 06:41 |
| coderus | brb after Ultron Avengers movie :D | 06:41 |
| TemeV | *#*#310#*#* seems to work for me too | 06:41 |
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| temmi_hoo | csd? | 06:44 |
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| tzafrir | Ran the GPS test from the csd tool (dialed that number to get it) | 06:50 |
| tzafrir | I went outside to get good conditions for the GPS. Waited for a few minutes. Nada. No lock | 06:50 |
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| Nicd- | tzafrir: if you don't have assisted GPS, it might take even 15-20 minutes to get the whole GPS almanac | 06:51 |
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| tzafrir | What is assisted GPS? | 06:51 |
| japa-fi_ | phones suck without assisted gps. | 06:51 |
| Nicd- | tzafrir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS | 06:52 |
| tzafrir | Should the GPS work in-doors? | 06:52 |
| japa-fi_ | Assisted gps: The phone opens data connection and download the "gps calendar" to speed up getting the fix. | 06:52 |
| Nicd- | tzafrir: not really | 06:52 |
| Nicd- | you need visibility to the satellites | 06:52 |
| Nicd- | japa-fi_: doesn't it sometimes also use GSM positioning? | 06:52 |
| japa-fi_ | Without that data, phone needs to receive the calendar data from satellite. It's transmitted with something like 50 bps, and if there is error in the sequence (which takes about 1 minute), the whole sequence need to be re-downloaded again | 06:53 |
| tzafrir | A while ago I drove a whole day in my car. The phone is mounted in a relatively good place in under the front shild | 06:53 |
| tzafrir | I still failed to get anything | 06:53 |
| japa-fi_ | Nicd-, I think it uses that too _or_ that data is transmitted with the calendar data request, thus in reply you get rough location data estimate from the phone network (my speculation only) | 06:54 |
| tzafrir | My data connection (3G) is always on | 06:54 |
| zutto | phones have difficulties in cars, its normal | 06:54 |
| temmi_hoo | getting a fix when moving is hard | 06:54 |
| temmi_hoo | you should wait stationary to get gps fix and then start moving | 06:55 |
| tzafrir | In short, could someone please give me an advice on how to get my phone to actually get the GPS working? | 06:55 |
| japa-fi_ | With my hand held GPS, I've learned that the fastest way to get fix is to stay still on wide open area. | 06:55 |
| zutto | temmi_hoo: its opposite with actual gps navigators ;o | 06:55 |
| tzafrir | It never did work (disclaimer: only tried it several times) | 06:55 |
| zutto | with navigators, the fastest way to get accurate directions is to drive to big open roads | 06:55 |
| japa-fi_ | roughly 1 minute. If I just turn the device on and start driving in city area, it might not get fix even in ten minutes | 06:56 |
| japa-fi_ | Same does apply with car navigator | 06:56 |
| temmi_hoo | zutto: yes because they heuristically know where you might be from the cloud of uncertainity | 06:56 |
| temmi_hoo | especially if you happen to take an intersection | 06:57 |
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| japa-fi_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS | 06:57 |
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| zutto | they are pretty accurate these days | 06:57 |
| tzafrir | I'll point out that I drove on open country roads most of the day. | 07:00 |
| tzafrir | So for all of you here the Jolla phone GPS takes ~15 minutes to fixate? | 07:01 |
| tzafrir | This is surprising | 07:01 |
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| Nicd- | no, it takes a minute or so with AGPS. if I'm stationary | 07:02 |
| Nicd- | if I'm moving, it will take a long time | 07:02 |
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| tzafrir | The Jolla GPS is agps if I have network connection? | 07:03 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 07:03 |
| japa-fi_ | For my Jolla and for my N900, it took 10+ minutes to get fix without aGPS, on wide open area, just slightly moving (walking) | 07:03 |
| tzafrir | So if I have 3G enabled, and stand outside in the sun for a few minutes, I should get the GPS fixed? | 07:03 |
| japa-fi_ | If you have data connection, you should have agps | 07:03 |
| japa-fi_ | (the reason I tried with N900 without aGPS was because I was abroad, no data available) | 07:04 |
| temmi_hoo | having wifi doesn't help? | 07:04 |
| greenit | however, you must activate the option "faster positioning" (or something similar, don't have an english version, sry) for agps | 07:04 |
| japa-fi_ | Wifi may help. | 07:04 |
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| tzafrir | One thing to check: I kept getting "connection error" messages from the wifi. It was trying to reconnect. | 07:05 |
| tzafrir | Maybe it was trying to use the wifi and not the 3g | 07:05 |
| japa-fi_ | Settings -> system -> location -> faster position fix | 07:05 |
| tzafrir | Let's try turning the wifi off | 07:05 |
| tzafrir | japa-fi, no, Settings -> system -> location (check that) | 07:06 |
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| temmi_hoo | which reminds me, hackers around the world should set up intentional open and closed wifis where the base station mac and ssid move around the world | 07:06 |
| temmi_hoo | just to thwart googles mapping a bit | 07:07 |
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| tzafrir | I'll skip agps for now. here.com's server can't even properly show me the privacy statement | 07:09 |
| tzafrir | Thanks all | 07:10 |
| tzafrir | temmi_hoo, "hackers" do that all the time: wifi connection sharing | 07:12 |
| tzafrir | sorry: mobile phones connection sharing | 07:12 |
| temmi_hoo | yup that | 07:12 |
| temmi_hoo | what i meant was more like having the same mac/ssid combo suddenly appear totally elsewhere around the world | 07:13 |
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| chem|st | temmi_hoo: does not matter... | 07:26 |
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| chem|st | or does if you see only that wlan but doubt that is the case | 07:27 |
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| tadzik | Store, down for everyone or just me? | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | works for me | 10:03 |
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| tadzik | hmm, I'll try Rebuild App Registry | 10:32 |
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| Joonaa | do i get calls and messages while developer mode is enabled? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | i'd certainly hope so | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't kill your social circle | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:43 |
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| ggabriel | lol and yes, you def get calls/sms's | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | i do at least, but i tell nobody that i have dev mode enabled for fear to ending up alone in life | 11:44 |
| tadzik | developer mode is the superset of non-developer mode, basically | 11:44 |
| tadzik | so no worries :) It's not taking anything away | 11:44 |
| Joonaa | lol, great | 11:45 |
| Joonaa | somehow i had this idea that i dont... | 11:46 |
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| coderus | Joonaa: right after enabling devmode you can do everything, but you can easily break device using new forces :) | 12:06 |
| SfietKonstantinW | because the force is strong with this one | 12:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | use the force luke | 12:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | etc. | 12:08 |
| coderus | long time ago, in far away shell The First Script was executed... | 12:12 |
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| kimmoli | but which one was first, shell or script? | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | the protoshell and the protoscript | 12:36 |
| temmi_hoo | script was first, then someone noticed that those could possibly be written on the fly to a command line | 12:37 |
| temmi_hoo | thus was the shell born | 12:38 |
| IZh | In the beginning was the word ;-) | 12:38 |
| Jope | in the beginning were machine code instructions fed over paper tape... | 12:38 |
| temmi_hoo | loom! | 12:39 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: you did like binaural stuff? http://onlinetonegenerator.com/binauralbeats.html but this is not for everyone, "You should not use the Binaural Beat Generator if you are under 18, pregnant, prone to seizures or suffer from a mental illness." | 12:41 |
| kro | Jope: what about those tubes that were wired individually? :-p | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: ah fuck on the last one.. | 12:41 |
| Jope | kro :-) | 12:42 |
| Jope | iron core memoryyyyyyy | 12:42 |
| temmi_hoo | looms were there before tubes or cores | 12:43 |
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| Joonaa | whatsapp (android): can i make the contacts work when they have the country codes in their numbers? | 12:47 |
| Joonaa | whatsapp seems to only check for numbers with no country codes | 12:47 |
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