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| q_revert | Fusl: disabling automatic caps would be nice, i haven't found it, but i haven't done a huge amount of looking around either :) | 06:00 |
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| kimmoli | afaik only way is to hack QML, set TextArea inputMethodHints to Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase | 06:30 |
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| Azog | and no auto-append-spaces would be nice, too | 06:54 |
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| Mikaela | I only have issue with the spell checking, because I never change keyboard language so the Finnish one has learned weird words in English and I always accidentally touch some suggestions | 07:38 |
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| arnej | Is there a way to manipulate my keyboard? I prefer the US layout but would like to get germand word suggestions | 08:01 |
| arnej | *german | 08:01 |
| TemeV | arnej: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91917&highlight=keyboard+layouts | 08:04 |
| arnej | TemeV: Thanks, will try to create my own with that information then :) | 08:06 |
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| loic_m | I there. Are there news on the next OS upgrade (release date and what's new)? | 08:21 |
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| jaacoppi | loic_m: it'll be available right after the next duke nukem game | 08:22 |
| loic_m | huhu | 08:23 |
| jaacoppi | in fact, you can hear the source code in binary in an easter egg on the next led zeppelin album last track | 08:23 |
| loic_m | jaacoppi> ;) | 08:26 |
| loic_m | and more seriously, I'm quite new in the Jolla World and I don't really know where to look to follow sailfishOS' roadmap, … | 08:28 |
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| jaacoppi | Jolla has been promising an update every month, but so far it's been every 1-3 months. The community is hoping for a release every day. | 08:31 |
| jaacoppi | together.jolla.com and sailfishos developer mailing list at https://lists.sailfishos.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel are good sources for information. | 08:32 |
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| Fusl | 3G mobile networking access does not work on my jolla phone, is there any way to find out why? (provider: Hitchison 3G Austria (Drei(.at)/3(AT))), though it shows 3G on the status | 08:32 |
| jaacoppi | loic_m: there's also blog.jolla.com for official news and https://together.jolla.com/question/89242/unsollicited-upgrade-from-11216-to-11424/ that indicates an update is just around the corner | 08:34 |
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| loic_m | jaacoppi> ok thanks! | 08:38 |
| loic_m | versions number are… weird | 08:39 |
| loic_m | from 1.1.2.16 to 1.1.4.24 ^^ | 08:39 |
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| jaacoppi | version numbers are politics, as long as it's increasing it's fine | 08:45 |
| jaacoppi | we'll jump from 1.1.4 to 2.0 in the summer | 08:45 |
| Mikaela | date version numbers are nice | 08:47 |
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| jaacoppi | x.y.z. tends to tell a bit more about how much has changed. 1.1.2.15 -> 1.1.2.16 was a small change, 1.1.2.x -> 1.1.4.x is a bigger one | 08:47 |
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| mornfall | jaacoppi: well, yes, although 4 components are ... a lot :) pretty hard to read | 09:15 |
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| temmi_hoo | better than having code names for them | 09:16 |
| temmi_hoo | how is anybody supposed to know if the developers prefer kitkat to ice cream sandwhich or vice versa? | 09:16 |
| mornfall | heh | 09:16 |
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| loic_m | jaacoppi> I prefer semver because it's more standard and easier for everyone to understand | 09:19 |
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| Mikaela | I prefer ice cram sandwhich so it must be newer | 09:21 |
| Mikaela | no idea what kitkat is though, but ice cream sandwhich is surely better | 09:22 |
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| temmi_hoo | kitkat is a candy brand name | 09:22 |
| Mikaela | oh, then ice cream sandwhich won | 09:22 |
| temmi_hoo | boring chocolate bars that have more sugar than chocolate | 09:22 |
| temmi_hoo | i'd prefer meatballs | 09:22 |
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| jaacoppi | so.. sailfishos 2.0.0.7-jun25_2015-Päijänne-Snickers? | 09:33 |
| Aciid | why not https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paskaj%C3%A4rvi_%28Eurajoki%29 | 09:35 |
| the_mgt | increase the version numbers by at least 10 every release | 09:35 |
| the_mgt | you need to have higher numbers than chrome and firefox!!!!!!1111 | 09:35 |
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| the_mgt | so next release should be sailfish 10 or even 11 | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | next release will have all the dots removed? | 09:36 |
| TemeV | the_mgt: why would an OS have to compete with browser? Higher number than iOS is important though, so next one shoul be Sailfish 8 or 9 or something :) | 09:38 |
| TemeV | Jolla-browser should have version number some where in 40's of course to compete with Chrome and Firefox ;) | 09:39 |
| IZh | And what about two-letters codename? ;-) | 09:41 |
| Mikaela | Windows also jumped to 10 as Debian was catching up | 09:41 |
| kjetilho | I like Ubuntu's scheme with sequential names and date based version numbers. | 09:42 |
| kjetilho | I have no idea if Firefox 32 is new or old | 09:42 |
| JvD_ | but windows has already been 95 and 2000 | 09:42 |
| JvD_ | beat that | 09:43 |
| Mikaela | old, because current in Antergos is 37.0.1-2 | 09:43 |
| Mikaela | but they jumped down from those | 09:43 |
| IZh | Mikaela: I heard a diffetent version. Lots of software have a check similar to if windowsVersion started from windows9 (for 95, 98), then display ugly old gray UI ;-) | 09:43 |
| Mikaela | you mean "winver"? | 09:44 |
| IZh | Yes | 09:44 |
| Mikaela | I don't remember what it said and no Windows here | 09:44 |
| Mikaela | or actually my sister has one, but she isn't at home at the moment so I cannot ask | 09:44 |
| jaacoppi | how about instead of version numbering just up the product name? SailfishOS -> someotherlamefishOS -> GreatWhiteOS? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | jaacoppi: so, like Linux? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | and distributions | 09:47 |
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| IZh | What about using years in version? :-) | 09:48 |
| IZh | It will stimulate users to use fresh one for not to be outdated. ;-) | 09:50 |
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| the_mgt | TemeV: because sailfish is linux and the kernel jumped from 2.6.something to 3, too | 09:53 |
| jaacoppi | IZh: nah just force them to upgrade by checking for newest version once a day and bricking the device if the user doesn't update | 09:54 |
| jaacoppi | or better yet, brick the device every time so the user needs to buy a new device | 09:54 |
| IZh | :-)) | 09:55 |
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| kjetilho | the_mgt: it actually just jumped to 4.0 | 09:55 |
| kjetilho | Linus' kernel, that is | 09:55 |
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| the_mgt | kjetilho: that's the spirit | 09:58 |
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| tadzik | Great. I was wondering why my phone seems to vibrate when it plays music on my headphones | 10:25 |
| tadzik | turns out, for the last 3 hours I was playing music for the entire fucking train of people | 10:26 |
| tadzik | thanks Jolla >:( | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | tadzik: did they start dancing? | 10:26 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: no, but now I understand their looks | 10:26 |
| Mikaela | how you didn't notice that or do you use insane volume? | 10:26 |
| tadzik | Mikaela: well, heaphones on | 10:26 |
| tadzik | and it played exactly the same thing on headphones and speaker | 10:27 |
| IZh | It could be a feature to use a vibration for a deeper bass. ;-) | 10:27 |
| Mikaela | I always use headphones too, but I would notice if the music is fainter than usually or comes from somewhere else than the headphones | 10:27 |
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| tadzik | it came from both | 10:28 |
| tadzik | that's the point | 10:28 |
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| Mikaela | :O | 10:28 |
| tadzik | sorry for not being too clear | 10:28 |
| tadzik | I'm quite | 10:28 |
| tadzik | upset | 10:28 |
| Fusl | tadzik: you have any pulseaudio config apps installed? | 10:29 |
| Fusl | e.g. PulseTunnel | 10:29 |
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| tadzik | Fusl: none | 10:30 |
| tadzik | it never happened before | 10:30 |
| Fusl | that's starnge then | 10:30 |
| Fusl | but tbh, this does not happen only with jolla | 10:30 |
| Fusl | i have an iphone 4s, couple of days ago this also happened with it | 10:31 |
| tadzik | shit happens :( | 10:31 |
| jaacoppi | tadzik: next time, play better music so the people won't be upset, they'll be happy | 10:31 |
| Mikaela | :) | 10:31 |
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| tadzik | yeah, now I think that Steel Panther may not have been the best choice for my target audience... | 10:31 |
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| tadzik | good thing phone was in my backpack charging most of the time | 10:32 |
| jaacoppi | Steel Panther is nice for 1 song, not for three hours | 10:32 |
| scottc | hahahah | 10:32 |
| scottc | i hate how people are too polite to point this out | 10:33 |
| jaacoppi | saw them live a few years ago, they rock & rolled and kicked some ass | 10:33 |
| jaacoppi | I like their message of death to all butt metal | 10:33 |
| tadzik | scottc: it now makes me think that whenever I heard someone being annoying on a bus they were just unaware | 10:33 |
| tadzik | it's partly too polite, and partly "oh whatever, they're beyond help" | 10:34 |
| Fusl | how do people here handle the microusb-plug of the phone while charging? did it ever happen that anyone killed the microusb-plug and how easy is it to replace/resolder it with a new one? | 10:34 |
| temmi_hoo | on the musb connector, who in their wrong mind decided to put it on that end of the phone? | 10:35 |
| Aciid | Fusl: was the most common replacable in the nokia n900 | 10:36 |
| scottc | tadzik: yeah, it's an eye-opening experience! | 10:36 |
| Fusl | i remember having a samsung galaxy s2 who's microusb plug was at the bottom and had a very light usb cable , it still broke after a few weeks of using and did cost me 100 bucks to replace it | 10:36 |
| scottc | you may never judge an obnoxious person on a train again | 10:36 |
| tadzik | scottc: it's these little things that make you develop and understanding for silly people :) | 10:37 |
| scottc | heh :) | 10:37 |
| tadzik | I got myself a red mohawk after I got my BSc. Before that, I used to be amused when I was walking around the city centre. "Hahaha, this guy looks like an idiot! lol" | 10:38 |
| tadzik | now I walk around and think "Hahaha, this guy looks like an idiot! Just like I used to!" lol" | 10:38 |
| temmi_hoo | ? | 10:38 |
| temmi_hoo | :) | 10:38 |
| scottc | :D | 10:38 |
| tadzik | (for all kinds of appearance traits, not just hairdo) | 10:38 |
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| Fusl | my bet would be that the microusb-plug will break faster on the jolla phone because 1. it's on top of the phone, 2. the shipped cable is heavier than other ones, 3. the cable is short and as such incidents will happen (i fixed this by using a usb extension cord | 10:38 |
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| Aciid | pfft just use a cable that has the same thickness as the phone when its on the table | 10:39 |
| Aciid | problem solved | 10:39 |
| temmi_hoo | fusl, yeah, whoever tries to use the phone while charging will present large forces on the pcb receptable | 10:39 |
| scottc | the shipped cable is verrrry nice, i really like it | 10:39 |
| scottc | but yeah, too short to use | 10:39 |
| temmi_hoo | it is nice but the receptable is on the wrong end of the phone | 10:39 |
| temmi_hoo | cannot be fixed with cable | 10:39 |
| Aciid | amazon prime microusb cable is 1:1 in thickness | 10:40 |
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| Aciid | http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-USB-Cable-Micro-Meters/dp/B003ES5ZSW yes it's bulky | 10:40 |
| temmi_hoo | it's not the phone-on-table-charging -use case which destroys receptables | 10:40 |
| Aciid | oh | 10:40 |
| Aciid | you mean using while charging? | 10:40 |
| temmi_hoo | it is the oh shit i gotta talk while charging use case | 10:40 |
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| scottc | hahah | 10:41 |
| Aciid | when I pick it up in the charger I try supporting the cable | 10:41 |
| Aciid | dunno does it help | 10:41 |
| Aciid | but yea it's a bad design choice | 10:41 |
| temmi_hoo | i'm 185cm, the socket is at 30cm, the charging cable is what, a meter long | 10:41 |
| Fusl | ^ | 10:42 |
| temmi_hoo | if the socket was on the correct end, it would dislodge the connector without further damage | 10:42 |
| Fusl | have fun sitting in a corner and talking to your friends :D | 10:42 |
| temmi_hoo | now it dislodges the receptable from the pcb | 10:42 |
| Fusl | temmi_hoo: :D | 10:42 |
| Aciid | 3m usb micros go for 3euros in ebay | 10:42 |
| Aciid | just saying | 10:43 |
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| ggabriel | unplug the cable, talk, then plug it again? | 10:43 |
| Fusl | extension cords ftw | 10:43 |
| kjetilho | Aciid: great if you like to charge at half the speed | 10:43 |
| Aciid | ggabriel: too hard | 10:43 |
| Aciid | kjetilho: I use a 2A charger | 10:43 |
| scottc | no, i'm never using cheap ebay cables again. they're so shit | 10:44 |
| kjetilho | doesn't help if you have a bad cable | 10:44 |
| scottc | +1 | 10:44 |
| kjetilho | could be too few connectors, or just too much resistance | 10:44 |
| temmi_hoo | the cheap cables just are too thin | 10:44 |
| scottc | yeah | 10:44 |
| temmi_hoo | also: some craptastic idea was to use 5V instead of 50V for these thin cables | 10:44 |
| temmi_hoo | the end device will need a regulator anyway | 10:45 |
| scottc | the electrons can't march up in sets of five in thin cables, only single file >:) | 10:45 |
| zutto | electrons dont actually march :P | 10:45 |
| temmi_hoo | i^2r losses | 10:45 |
| temmi_hoo | zutto: indeed no, they fly like madmen dodging the nucleo | 10:45 |
| temmi_hoo | nuclea? | 10:45 |
| temmi_hoo | dunno | 10:45 |
| scottc | zutto: they just run? ;) | 10:45 |
| Aciid | where is my wireless charger TOH ? | 10:46 |
| zutto | its more like they're a shroom that infects everything in its path and then dies off very quickly | 10:46 |
| Aciid | like a huge tesla coil for my desk, so I can speak while charging | 10:46 |
| scottc | hmm, maybe i'll try out my pink TOH actually... | 10:46 |
| Aciid | this cable on top of the phone thing needs to be sorted | 10:47 |
| Aciid | thank god Im a republican | 10:47 |
| SpeedEvil | temmi_hoo: 50V is a bit high technically - it's just about at teh arc limit. There is a reason that 36V is the lowest 'safe' voltage in many standards. 30V@0.5A would have been a much better choice for a 'high power' optional standard in USB1 | 10:47 |
| tadzik | huh, it never bothered me before | 10:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - why the hell can't I get nice tight right-angle microUSB :/ | 10:47 |
| Fusl | SpeedEvil: yea, i neither couldn't find anything | 10:48 |
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| kjetilho | USB Type C will save us all | 10:49 |
| kjetilho | wrt voltage | 10:49 |
| zutto | i kinda dislike the new usb plug | 10:49 |
| zutto | mainly cause of the rounded corners | 10:49 |
| scottc | isn't that patented by apple? | 10:50 |
| scottc | ;) | 10:50 |
| tadzik | hah | 10:50 |
| temmi_hoo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zDDsX5xYcA | 10:51 |
| temmi_hoo | SpeedEvil: huh? in *elv regulations around the world, 50VAC and 100VDC are the most common limits | 10:51 |
| Helle | temmi_hoo: what, ELV is under 50V | 10:51 |
| Helle | for both | 10:51 |
| Helle | 100VDC is not skin safe in any circumstance | 10:52 |
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| zutto | http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v4/1068613771_3/FreeShipping-USB-2-0-A-female-Type-A-to-5pin-90-degree-microusb-B-Male-adapter.jpg something like this? | 10:52 |
| Helle | the basic idea behind the choice for ELV is that is the maximum safe voltage for dry skin in dry circumstance | 10:53 |
| temmi_hoo | wikipedia says 120VDC 50VAC, finnish regulations say 100VDC 50VAC | 10:54 |
| SpeedEvil | temmi_hoo: I thought there was a 36V for SELV - it's not for skin, it's for ease of arcing | 10:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | zutto: no - that still has a massive lever-arm | 10:57 |
| * SpeedEvil orders http://www.dx.com/p/diy-90-degree-angle-micro-usb-male-plug-adapters-black-10-pcs-363228#.VS5D6fFVGRs | 10:57 | |
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| zutto | it is | 10:58 |
| zutto | but its like that for a reason | 10:58 |
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| zutto | those do look nice tho | 10:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's like that because that's what the commonly available molds are and everyone copies without thinking | 11:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not like that because physical reality mandates it. | 11:00 |
| zutto | yes, and to make sure that the cable doesnt move too much inside it | 11:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes, you do need to make arrangements for strain relief - this doesn't quite mean that though. | 11:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And frankly - I'd really rather the cable died before killing my device with a massive sticy out lever that I accidentally banged | 11:01 |
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| temmi_hoo | musb designers decided to optimize the levers so that the force is multiplied for dislodging the receptable | 11:01 |
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| temmi_hoo | they SAY the cable is supposedly sacrificial element but it's always the receptable that breaks leaving the cable intact | 11:02 |
| zutto | http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v1/1812617429_1/1-Pair-Right-Left-Angle-Micro-USB-Male-90-Degree-USB-Male-to-Micro-Female-Plug.jpg this looks kinda nice too | 11:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | That's regrettably almost worse than normal - especially with a normal USB plugged into it | 11:03 |
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| zutto | well if you want 90 degree mount, those arent bad options | 11:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ^and to clarify - with those parts above, I mean to make a practicaly flush connector, not using the backshell | 11:04 |
| zutto | http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/UT8L33vXflbXXagOFbXG.jpg doesnt look too bad | 11:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, imagine another USB lead plugged into that, and the length of lever you now have to twist the connector off the board | 11:06 |
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| sakustar | SpeedEvil: like the n900 taught us, file all your microusb connectors flat :D | 13:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - that doesn't really help completely | 13:18 |
| sakustar | well you could just permanently attach the 90 degree part | 13:20 |
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| chem|st | sakustar: no idea how people manage to break the connector, mine is now ~5 years old and still no issues and I pull the plug on the cord... | 14:49 |
| sakustar | chem|st: you had one from the good patch | 14:49 |
| chem|st | obviously | 14:49 |
| sakustar | i bought 4 and all of them broke | 14:50 |
| chem|st | also my jolla never had those SIMslot or battery connection issues... | 14:50 |
| chem|st | the vibrator failed though | 14:50 |
| sakustar | :D | 14:50 |
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| flux | my fiance has an n900 that has leveled the microusb connectors all by itself | 15:27 |
| flux | I once tried to use the cord and was wondering if I broke the port or something, there's zero feel about the insertion | 15:28 |
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| flux | so I guess it's compatible now :) | 15:28 |
| tiwake | I havent broke mine | 15:30 |
| tiwake | on my n900 | 15:30 |
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| Nicd- | oh damn, jolla ambience photo campaign but the minimum size is 48px more than what my camera produces :( | 15:53 |
| rigo | Nicd-: use your N9 :) | 15:54 |
| Nicd- | I don't have an N9 | 15:55 |
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| rigo | Nicd-: :( | 16:07 |
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| Sailor4481 | my n9 died (currently) using my jolla).. my n9 has solid led and no response whatsoever | 17:17 |
| Sailor4481 | could it be a dead battery? or other more serioud hardware failure? | 17:18 |
| Sailor4481 | pls note i tired reflashing with flasher with no success | 17:19 |
| Sailor4481 | happy with jolla now but would be nice to have my n9 back to life | 17:20 |
| baum | uhm what was the bug with the installer again? was it caused by changing the project folder or the alternate one? | 17:23 |
| flux | sailor4481, maybe better luck in #harmattan? | 17:26 |
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| Sailor4481 | thanks fir tip flux | 17:27 |
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| Sailor4481 | for* | 17:29 |
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| attah | It seems there are changes to tracker/album art in 1.1.4.2X... does anyone happen to know what they consist of? (I haven't upgraded) | 18:16 |
| the_mgt | yeah, it sucks even more | 18:16 |
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| attah | crap.. i read the contrary though.. | 18:17 |
| the_mgt | albums by one single artist are now listed under "various artists" | 18:17 |
| the_mgt | all songs in an album display the cover art, but it is not used for the full album | 18:18 |
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| attah | winning! | 18:19 |
| the_mgt | also, there is still a size and filetype bug/limit: large coverarts are not displayed and aac/aplle lossless files have no art at all | 18:19 |
| attah | Seems i need to get a move on with my CoverArt app | 18:20 |
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| Behold | I've been having some very strange issues with my Jolla's touchscreen. Here's a video demonstrating the issue: http://85.227.219.150:8080/touchscreen.webm Basically, a ~1cm wide strip stretching from one long side to the other along the middle of the phone doesn't respond to touch events properly. | 18:30 |
| Behold | Whenever I touch the screen somewhere in the affected area, the detected coordinate seems to instead be the nearest coordinate outside the area | 18:31 |
| Behold | Is there any chance that this is a problem on the software side? Is there anything I can try before doing a factory reset? | 18:31 |
| kimmoli | sounds like hw issue to me | 18:33 |
| Behold | That's what I'm afraid of | 18:33 |
| Behold | It's kind of sporadic though, sometimes the touchscreen won't respond to any input at all, and rarely it works for a while without any issues | 18:34 |
| kimmoli | if it is sw, lowest level to check might be evdev_trace -t | 18:36 |
| Behold | If it is a hardware issue I think the cause may have been overheating. Yesterday I noticed that my battery was draining unusually quickly, and that the CPU was very hot; apparently the calendar app had been running at 100% CPU for four hours | 18:36 |
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| Sailor4481 | sorry for highjack Behold but how do you check cpu load? uptime? | 18:38 |
| Behold | I ran top from the terminal | 18:38 |
| Sailor4481 | thanks | 18:38 |
| tbr | Behold: sounds like a touchscreen hw problem. If the jolla allows for it then calibration might help. If not it might become a write-off | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | contact care is a good start, i haven't heard that issue before | 18:40 |
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| Behold | Yeah, contacting care was my next plan if no one in here had any ideas | 18:41 |
| Behold | tbr: I tried looking around for calibration settings, but I couldn't find anything. What do you mean by write-off? | 18:41 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: my Nexus4 developed this lately too. | 18:41 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: on a Nexus7 where I replaced the screen I have a similar problem, but there it's pressure sensitive, pressing the screen strongly makes the screen work normally for a while | 18:42 |
| Behold | kimmoli: I don't seem to have the evdev_trace command, is there a package that provides it? | 18:43 |
| kimmoli | mce-tools | 18:43 |
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| Behold | Ah, yeah, if I hold the phone in landscape mode and move my finger from left to right while evdev_trace is running, I can see the x coordinate jumping directly from ~850 to ~1050 | 18:48 |
| Behold | Uhm, the y coordinate I mean | 18:48 |
| Behold | So yeah, I guess I better just contact care | 18:49 |
| Behold | Thanks | 18:49 |
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