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| ilpianista | oh damn...I just read about the TOHKBD2 :-O | 10:12 |
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| Nicd- | have you been under a rock for the last 6 months? :P | 10:15 |
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| ilpianista | Nicd-: yeah maybe :-P | 10:16 |
| ilpianista | Nicd-: I don't know if I should buy one or not... | 10:17 |
| ilpianista | when remembering N900 times I think I should | 10:17 |
| Nicd- | you should | 10:17 |
| M4rtinK | that's simple: you should ;-) | 10:17 |
| ilpianista | bad guys! | 10:17 |
| ilpianista | it's a bit expensive | 10:18 |
| ilpianista | f*ck...let's do it | 10:18 |
| ilpianista | any leak on release date? | 10:19 |
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| Nicd- | probably may/june | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | DIY kits were sent already | 10:20 |
| ilpianista | so in May/June we will get SailfishOS 2, the tablet and the TOHKBD...why the hell we are still on March?!?! | 10:21 |
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| Lieke | yeah, i'm also in favor of just skipping time ahead | 10:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | they will come soon enough | 10:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i cant believe its nearly april already | 10:25 |
| ilpianista | any coupon code for the TOHKBD? :-) | 10:26 |
| r0kk3rz | ilpianista: nah, im sure dirk is running it as cheap as he can already | 10:27 |
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| ilpianista | done! Now let's go to sleep until May | 10:29 |
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| AmadeusXNet | How come that Mediaplayer is switching sound modules? | 10:33 |
| AmadeusXNet | Anyone who knows? | 10:33 |
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| kimmoli | ffs revolution is here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/crankcase-power-your-devices-from-your-motion - watched the video, might have some ITD now | 12:08 |
| kimmoli | ...biomechanical cranking cycle | 12:09 |
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| M4rtinK | the handle doesn't look very rugged IMHO :) | 12:09 |
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| tadzik | well, I haven't seen anything packed along with a phone case, but those crankers for phones have been around forever | 12:13 |
| tadzik | and dirt cheap too | 12:13 |
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| coderus | latest news about mitakuuluu, libwa and whatsapp itself: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1465168&postcount=17 | 12:14 |
| tadzik | wow | 12:16 |
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| M4rtinK | taking the whole Whatsapp trainwreck to a whole new level! :) | 12:23 |
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| tadzik | well, it still works perfectly fine for most of their intended audience :/ "Install our proprietary crap so we can datamine the shit out of you" | 12:29 |
| M4rtinK | <suggestion>https://tox.im/</suggestion> :) | 12:31 |
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| entil | M4rtinK: doesn't look as strong as textsecure | 12:51 |
| M4rtinK | entil: why ? | 12:52 |
| entil | M4rtinK: if I'm reading that right, it reuses keys, whereas textsecure creates new ones | 12:52 |
| M4rtinK | which keys ? | 12:54 |
| entil | "The encrypted message is encrypted with crypto_box() (using Bobs public key, Alice's private key and the nonce (randomly generated 24 bytes)) and is a message from Alice in which she tells Bob who she is." | 12:54 |
| entil | https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/blob/master/docs/updates/Crypto.md | 12:54 |
| M4rtinK | well, that sounds right | 12:55 |
| Yaniel | there are multiple keys | 12:55 |
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| entil | I'm trying to find a convenient one-liner to paste about axolotl :D https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure/wiki/ProtocolV2 | 12:57 |
| entil | not a lot of one-liners | 12:57 |
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| entil | but it's better to use the same keys as few times as possible | 12:58 |
| Yaniel | anyway you should ask irungentoo on #tox for up to date details | 13:00 |
| Yaniel | I'm pretty sure he'll just tell you that the docs are outdated and you should just read the code | 13:00 |
| Yaniel | "it's simple c" | 13:00 |
| entil | I've tried offering money for a textsecure client as I don't have time (or skill, ie. time to pick up the skill) to do it, and no one cared | 13:01 |
| Tegu | offer more money | 13:01 |
| entil | likewise, the textsecure docs are up to date, or were when I delved into the code a couple of months ago | 13:01 |
| entil | so having a hard-core crypto project with outdated docs is not a positive sign | 13:01 |
| Yaniel | ikr | 13:03 |
| entil | also one thing to read the docs and source and another to implement anything :D I have the skeleton of a cli qt5 app for textsecure but it depends on an unpublished libaxolotl implementation that I'd throw away in favor of coderus' implementation | 13:03 |
| coderus | entil: try my libaxolotl | 13:04 |
| entil | coderus: it echoes :D | 13:04 |
| coderus | it passed simple tests | 13:04 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC textsecure is still server based with some federation, right ? | 13:05 |
| coderus | textsecure is p2p | 13:05 |
| entil | doesn't store anything | 13:05 |
| coderus | tox also have servers for peers routing | 13:05 |
| M4rtinK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TextSecure#Servers <- at least they mention servers there | 13:05 |
| Yaniel | the closest thing tox has to servers are bootstrap nodes | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | (not counting toxme.se since that is not an integral part of it) | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | and bootstrap nodes are only needed if the client does not find/remember any peers by itself | 13:07 |
| entil | you have to hit the internet at some point, and I'm pretty sure running a server-let on every phone and having dns-style discovery is not practical | 13:07 |
| entil | there's always an element of trust to these things, like what if textsecure was actually running a patched version of the server that stores data zomg | 13:08 |
| entil | 1) they'd get their asses kicked 2) the encryption is still in place, so they could leak metadata at best | 13:08 |
| coderus | remember, it's not about anonymizing your identity, it's about encrypting your messages only | 13:08 |
| entil | (yes, people die because of metadata, but stil) | 13:08 |
| entil | (and there was an article recently about how you cover your tracks completely to get an anonymous textsecure account. unfortunately your recipients can still leak the plaintext, so there's always trust) | 13:09 |
| chem|st | entil: the whole thing is BS as always... everyone has the same problem, friends who do not care about it - I was at a point where I just stopped using following sheep to the next "fantastic" IM years ago | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | I downloaded tox to test. at least the client looks nice. but don't have any friends that use it :) | 13:22 |
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| chem|st | and as long as you have friends with windows/android/ios phones you are screwed anyway | 13:22 |
| scottc | Nicd-: same here.. | 13:22 |
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| chem|st | my gf is complaining that she is unable to send me pictures and that is a very valid point as it seems to be the hardes thing on earth to send a file on IM that is not a proprietary provider | 13:23 |
| Nicd- | scottc: pm me your tox id? | 13:24 |
| Nicd- | to test | 13:24 |
| scottc | Nicd-: sure, just a sec | 13:24 |
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| M4rtinK | chem|st: yeah, the overall IM landscape seem to be actually getting more closed and more privacy invasive | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: but I don't really mind switching to a distributed and end-to-end encrypted IM network :) | 13:37 |
| scottc | this recent debacle with WhatsApp is horrendous imo | 13:37 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: well there is none for linux/win/iOS/android that I know of properly working for $user | 13:41 |
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| chem|st | scottc: whatsapp is so far away from a sane solution... | 13:42 |
| scottc | yes, of course, but their attitude is still appalling | 13:43 |
| scottc | I never used whatsapp so it's not an issue for me :) | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | at least utox works on Linux & Windows and seems easy to setup (no need to register) | 13:43 |
| chem|st | I stick to xmpp and do not care about people complaining they don't have that... | 13:43 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: still nothing for $user | 13:44 |
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| M4rtinK | not idea but a step in the right direction imho | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | so unless it dumps all their contacts to the server it is not for the $user ? :) | 13:45 |
| chem|st | kind of yes... | 13:45 |
| urs | there's still IRC, people! | 13:45 |
| chem|st | install app open app upload contacts see everyone online who did not block you or you did not block... that is the prefered solution | 13:46 |
| chem|st | probably a password somewhere but not per default... who needs a password no one will ever touch my phone/computer/tablet | 13:46 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: I consider people with such attitude a lost cause ;-) | 13:47 |
| chem|st | and that is the $masses | 13:48 |
| chem|st | look at UK where everyone does not care about video surveillance anymore | 13:48 |
| entil | I'd say the IM landscape is getting way too splintered actually | 13:53 |
| chem|st | 25 years ago we were glad to break the STASI and free the DDR from russia, the USA understood the concept just like any other gov, but they knew that it has to be less obvious to get through with it... so now we have more surveillance than the DDR we have more personal data collected and analysed each day than the DDR in their whole lifetime - we have companies doing that too, gov just need to get access to those companies... welcome to the 21st | 13:54 |
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| TMavica | Got a message "Communication problem with store server" when connecting TOH | 14:00 |
| TMavica | all my TOH cant download ambience from store now | 14:01 |
| chem|st | TMavica: reset your jolla account | 14:01 |
| chem|st | (on the phone) | 14:01 |
| TMavica | ok | 14:01 |
| TMavica | update? | 14:01 |
| chem|st | yeah try update credentials first | 14:01 |
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| chem|st | I guess you are after factory reset, it is in general a good idea to do nothing else but upgrade to latest version after a factory reset | 14:02 |
| TMavica | yes | 14:02 |
| chem|st | and then start with setting up the system | 14:03 |
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| TMavica | fixed | 14:04 |
| TMavica | thanks | 14:04 |
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| entil | chem|st: in finland we have the occasional campaign that encourages you to give other people up for tax fraud and afaik you can do it anonymously online - that's statssicherheit for you | 14:30 |
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| urs | well, taxes are a public thing in finland anyway | 14:40 |
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| entil | I'm just not a huge fan of the implications that you should stalk your peers for potential fraud, not to mention wrongful claims | 14:41 |
| scottc | +1 | 14:42 |
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| chem|st | entil: yeah pretty much StaSi | 14:43 |
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| chem|st | swiss companies advertise with "protected by swiss law" but otoh there are annually exchanges of mysterious tax-fraud-cdroms | 14:45 |
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| entil | I've understood that .ch is being forced to give up on a lot of those privacy laws | 14:46 |
| chem|st | I find it really funny as Germany is tax-heaven for high-rollers if done right | 14:46 |
| entil | afaik .de is one of the last places where online privacy is still a thing | 14:46 |
| chem|st | entil: they get sanctioned for supporting tax-crime | 14:46 |
| entil | chem|st: do they get sanctioned without evidence? | 14:47 |
| entil | simply having an account in switzerland should not suffice to sanction anyone | 14:47 |
| chem|st | no the swiss get sanctioned for not working with other countries | 14:48 |
| entil | bully tactics yay | 14:48 |
| chem|st | but they send people in prison for murder when exceeding speed limits... that much about sanitiy | 14:49 |
| entil | in switzerland? | 14:50 |
| chem|st | yup | 14:50 |
| tiwake | ick | 14:50 |
| entil | never knew that, that's not very nice | 14:50 |
| chem|st | I know of at least one attempted murder charge | 14:50 |
| arnej | Norway also sends people to prison for exceeding speed limits | 14:51 |
| chem|st | in denmark are animal-brothels, how about that? | 14:52 |
| tiwake | going to prison for excessively speeding would depend on frequency and amount over... for it to be justifiable for me | 14:53 |
| tiwake | attempted murder is dumb though | 14:53 |
| tiwake | heh | 14:53 |
| entil | yeah, exactly | 14:53 |
| arnej | Yup | 14:54 |
| entil | if they sent people to jail for the speed limit, it'd be excessive, so it's better to just assume they attempt murder when speeding | 14:54 |
| entil | because logic | 14:54 |
| chem|st | exactly, and there are alot of people even asking for heavier sentences | 14:55 |
| entil | there are people pushing for zero tolerance here as well, but I think that has to do with fines and not prison | 14:55 |
| tiwake | fines just means taxes are not enough and they want more money XD | 14:56 |
| entil | it's as if the people who put up automated traffic cameras at highways have never ever made a judgment call about speed limits, say, driving practically alone | 14:56 |
| chem|st | they need to get their head straight... you get a longer sentence for copyright infringement than for child abuse or rape | 14:57 |
| entil | when they started setting up those cameras the news were all about how much the state saved money :P I doubt very much there's enough police force to consider that savings in salary, more likely it's "savings" as in "income" | 14:57 |
| chem|st | entil: they cal it to "loose" money when they get less income, that is politics | 14:58 |
| tiwake | it wasent that long ago that Montana didnt have speed limits on the highways.. heh | 14:58 |
| chem|st | tiwake: but you have a general speedlimit right? | 14:59 |
| tiwake | nop, its all state controlled | 14:59 |
| tiwake | there have been a couple federal mandates over the years that have since been revoked | 15:00 |
| entil | there are some valid cases for speed limits imo, cuz we did the math at school about when you physically lose traction on the most common design of roads | 15:00 |
| entil | and also building underpasses is expensive, it makes sense to let people cross roads in the cities | 15:01 |
| tiwake | well yeah, some cars are not designed to go terribly fast, and have serious airflow and stability issues | 15:01 |
| chem|st | ah ok, well statistics have it that speedlimits save fuel but that is about it, well I know some highways where you actually get in trouble whithout speedlimits, the coastal highway in northern spain has some limits I consider very much safety limits as the bends are just that way, same in Germany, downhill curve limited is sometimes a very good idea! | 15:02 |
| entil | this may vary between countries but we have a lot of rain and snow, which has to pour off the roads, so you have outward pull when the roads curve, and stuff like that | 15:02 |
| entil | but you have to go pretty fast for that to be the actual problem ;P | 15:02 |
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| tiwake | friction is not to be trifled with :) | 15:03 |
| chem|st | entil: that is just bad engineering, as the water pours just the same with inward angle... | 15:03 |
| entil | very few roads are flat and straight | 15:03 |
| entil | but I'm half joking here, the real reasons for speed limits are that people need to cross roads and be somewhat aware of how fast another car might be driving | 15:04 |
| entil | and then people should be allowed to make judgment calls imo | 15:04 |
| tiwake | chem|st: where I live there is flank tons of water, sometimes just as much rain as the wettest places in the world. sometimes stuff like that cant be helped... ha | 15:04 |
| chem|st | flat and straight streets are considered a misconception in Germany, there needs to be a specific angle depending on the size of the road so no water will stand still on top of it | 15:04 |
| entil | yeah, exactly | 15:05 |
| tiwake | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_MjST5kklY at least its morning over here | 15:06 |
| chem|st | tiwake: that is another issue but german engineering has solutions for everything! they designed a pave that can be used to wetten streets in cities or be used the other way to pour water faster off a street, the one is to reduce dust the other to reduce aquaplaning | 15:06 |
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| entil | tiwake: I think I'll go back to binging on falco instead of that :D | 15:07 |
| tiwake | chem|st: its kinda hard to have good road engineering when the river is flowing a meter overtop the road :P | 15:08 |
| tiwake | entil: what is falco? | 15:09 |
| entil | tiwake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falco_%28musician%29 | 15:09 |
| entil | tiwake: eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOAVUX8b3lo | 15:09 |
| zutto | germans do great engineering | 15:10 |
| entil | and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27AK7LWKUBE | 15:10 |
| zutto | my mercedes ash tray is so overengineered its silly | 15:10 |
| tiwake | lol | 15:10 |
| entil | how old's your merc? are ash trays still allowed? | 15:10 |
| zutto | 1990 | 15:10 |
| entil | afaik modern cars don't have cigarette lighters anymore | 15:10 |
| entil | ooh | 15:10 |
| tiwake | german engineering is indeed good | 15:10 |
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| zutto | its great engineering | 15:10 |
| arnej | You can drive as fast as you want in Germany | 15:10 |
| zutto | but making it so complicated was a bit overkill :P | 15:11 |
| tiwake | hmm | 15:11 |
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| entil | one of the best cars I've driven was a BMW, 518i from 1987. it felt so good it didn't even need a bigger engine | 15:12 |
| entil | it's as if all development in comfort and feeling could've ended there, nothing modern I've driven comes close to that | 15:13 |
| entil | not even with beamers | 15:13 |
| zutto | if my merc had aircon and webasto, it'd be the perfect car there is | 15:13 |
| zutto | lazy diesel engine doing 4.5l/100 is just perfect | 15:14 |
| tiwake | entil: let me try again... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjo4mFzBGoc and try to ignore the picture | 15:14 |
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| entil | there's a lot of history to that car, and I had to give her up eventually, but I did seriously consider retrofitting aircon | 15:14 |
| entil | tiwake: the difference is that when it comes to poppy crap I actually like listening to falco, that doesn't work for me :D | 15:15 |
| tiwake | heh | 15:15 |
| tiwake | alright, one more | 15:15 |
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| tiwake | entil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PLs7QuwzRc | 15:16 |
| entil | tiwake: there's also mc hawking but that's more gangsta rap than pop ;P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvOEFr03ea8 | 15:17 |
| entil | tiwake: that sounds like a videogame intro | 15:18 |
| entil | or the background music of an action movie trailer | 15:19 |
| tiwake | yeah | 15:19 |
| entil | which is not necessarily bad.. but.. | 15:19 |
| tiwake | "generic badass movie music" | 15:19 |
| entil | yeah :D | 15:19 |
| tiwake | makkon made a lot of it because of ponies.. *shrug* | 15:20 |
| tiwake | entil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVrRSel8ei0 | 15:21 |
| entil | nope. | 15:21 |
| entil | :D | 15:21 |
| tiwake | dont like that kind? | 15:22 |
| tiwake | hmm | 15:22 |
| tiwake | how about some swing jazz? | 15:22 |
| entil | sorry but don't have time to listen through recommendations now, I started accidentally looking into the textsecure server again and it requires some focus | 15:23 |
| entil | apparently there are new required configurations that aren't represented in the config sample ":D" | 15:23 |
| tiwake | I'm going to take off to work | 15:24 |
| entil | have fun! | 15:24 |
| tiwake | always | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | temmi_hoo: did you get your jerishades, ooi? | 18:22 |
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| * pahartik sets brightness of "Jolla Mobile" display to minimum (it is "Earth Hour" thing) | 18:30 | |
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| Mikaela | I always use minimum except in direct sunlight | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | i get blinded by the minimum setting at night | 18:34 |
| gogeta | guys good evening | 18:34 |
| gogeta | Stskeeps, is possible to tweak the values of the algo for dimming | 18:35 |
| gogeta | or is hardcoded in somewhere | 18:35 |
| gogeta | btw Stskeeps if you got a lcd protector some boost is needed | 18:36 |
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| eyea_UK | jolla )0!1@ joy | 18:41 |
| eyea_UK | hi all | 18:41 |
| tadzik | oh hey | 18:41 |
| eyea_UK | hey | 18:42 |
| eyea_UK | hows jollaing | 18:42 |
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| * gogeta did you jolla is a slang for joint in north italy ? | 18:45 | |
| falfa | what's italy? | 18:51 |
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| lazy_bum | Hi. | 21:03 |
| lazy_bum | Jolla adjusts time automagically? | 21:03 |
| lazy_bum | Not sure how to set alarm clock for tommorow. ;) | 21:04 |
| Mikaela | it should | 21:04 |
| falfa | if you tell it to | 21:04 |
| Mikaela | I think it uses the same tzdata as your gentoo with the eception of gentoo possiby having newer timezone database | 21:04 |
| lazy_bum | My Gentoo timezone changes are broken for years. :F | 21:05 |
| Mikaela | bad example then :( | 21:05 |
| lazy_bum | I have to fix it, but it happens two times a year. ;) | 21:06 |
| tadzik | huh, do we sleep longer or shorter tonight? | 21:07 |
| Mikaela | longer, clock is moved hour forward | 21:07 |
| raa700 | shorter | 21:07 |
| tadzik | ...wat | 21:07 |
| raa700 | because it's moved forward | 21:07 |
| Mikaela | oh, yes | 21:07 |
| tadzik | ah, fuck | 21:08 |
| Mikaela | doesn't affect me,I don't sleep anyway | 21:09 |
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| Nicd- | lazy_bum: you should set the alarm for summer time | 21:16 |
| Mikaela | so the clock won't move? but as i said, it doesn't affect me anyway, i don't sleep and there is no school to miss me at time because they don't do anything to bullying as has been the case for month | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | of course the clock will move | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | if you want to wake up at 8 tomorrow, set the alarm to 8 | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | it will ring at 8 summer time | 21:17 |
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| Milo- | so I fork bombed myself playing with alarms. Jolla doesn't let me select a time that takes place between 3:00 am and 3:59 am.. N9 let's me select that but gives me an error message explaining quite nicely what's happening. | 22:35 |
| Milo- | and my desktop's kalarm immediately says that the time doesn't exist, but when I ignore that and crete an alarm, it fork bombs my machine | 22:35 |
| Milo- | success! | 22:35 |
| Nicd- | haha | 22:35 |
| Nicd- | wish we could just get rid of summer time | 22:36 |
| Milo- | I can literally claim that my clock doesn't know the meaning of 3:30 in the morning! | 22:36 |
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| Milo- | Nicd- indeed :) | 22:36 |
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| Nicd- | it's even better in fall, there's times that happen twice! | 22:37 |
| Milo- | on the upside.. I am pleased to see that all of these three alarms are able to tell me that 8:30 is actually 7 hours from now, and not 8. | 22:37 |
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| Nicd- | well, all languages usually have some libraries already made that do the work for you | 22:38 |
| Nicd- | like pytz and moment-timezone <3 | 22:38 |
| Milo- | I kind of assumed developers to be too lazy to care about such stupid transitions | 22:38 |
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| Milo- | we do know better than those morons who think DST is necessary. | 22:39 |
| Nicd- | sadly the world doesn't work that way :P | 22:40 |
| Milo- | technological people should create a massive alliance against timezones and daylight savings | 22:40 |
| Milo- | just drop all support for such idiotic patterns | 22:40 |
| Milo- | there would be a single timezone and everyone in the world would use that | 22:40 |
| Milo- | each country would just claim their own "9 to 5" hours and that's it | 22:41 |
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