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| pdanek | lpotter: "I wish we were working on another phone" | 00:22 |
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| pdanek | It isn't worked on? | 00:22 |
| pdanek | I thought there will be another phone or two releases in 2015. | 00:22 |
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| Morgawr | I know it's a wild shot, but anybody played with Sunvox for android running inside jolla? Just wondering before I buy it (at worst I'll use it on my android) | 01:40 |
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| Yaniel | good question | 04:16 |
| Yaniel | though I'd be more interested in a native version | 04:17 |
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| jaacoppi | aI've got an url to a .mp3 file. How do I download it so Media app can access it? If I click the url in the browser it just starts playing | 06:06 |
| Yaniel | curl -O | 06:09 |
| Tegu | or webcat from store | 06:09 |
| jaacoppi | or ssh to device. Just hoped there'd be a simpler way | 06:11 |
| jaacoppi | not that I'd be playing music with a phone anyway, just curious | 06:12 |
| Tegu | yea, indeed.. same with videos | 06:12 |
| jaacoppi | actually I needed to show a video from my Jolla yesterday | 06:13 |
| jaacoppi | not a movie, an instructional video related to my hobbies | 06:13 |
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| Nicd- | hey, wasn't there an app in the official store that ran an HTTP server on the device? | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | so it could serve files and stuff | 09:00 |
| Yaniel | sailserver | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | can't find with search | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | ah, there | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | searching for "server" wasn't enough apparently :P | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | thanks Yaniel | 09:01 |
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| servalex | Hi! Just received my jolla. Is there some special operations that i have to do before starting using it? Or just register account and update software? | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | servalex: create jolla account, then upgrade | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | don't do anything else | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | don't touch developer mode or install apps yet | 10:21 |
| servalex | Wow | 10:22 |
| jaacoppi | servalex: this is shameless self promotion, but you could check out http://fromasailfishosnoob.tumblr.com. I've detailed my first days with the Jolla there | 10:22 |
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| servalex | Thanks. I'm asking because i remember people had some issues with sim cards and battery draining but didn't follow this topics | 10:26 |
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| jaacoppi | You should forget 95% of what's been said about Jolla and Sailfish during launch and early 2014. There's been so many updates that it's a completely different product now compared to 6 months ago | 10:28 |
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| jarkko_ | imo there should be a sequel to the tutorial (a '102' if you will) somewhere. For example, I had used my Jolla for quite a while until someone here mentioned casually that you can swipe an app in Home for various things. | 10:35 |
| zutto | isnt that part of the tutorial? | 10:36 |
| jarkko_ | I don't think so, only swiping the screen up or down from inside or from outside. | 10:37 |
| jarkko_ | the ambiances could be covered in this sequel, too. | 10:38 |
| zutto | iirc it went quite a lot further than that | 10:38 |
| zutto | only thing it didnt tell me that i found very helpful, was that you can close an app (and lock the screen) by changing a setting and changing the swipe from top-to-bottom ;P | 10:38 |
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| jarkko_ | I just re-run the tutorial to confirm that it isn't there. It isn't. | 10:40 |
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| jarkko_ | zutto: how do you get to the notifications then, as it's top-to-bottom by default? | 10:47 |
| jarkko_ | oops :) | 10:47 |
| servalex | Isn't it bottom to top? | 10:48 |
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| jarkko_ | I mean, isn't that how it works by default (forget about the notifications above :) | 10:48 |
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| zutto | bottom to top for notifications | 10:50 |
| jarkko_ | swipe from top to bottom to close an app (but not to lock the screen) if one is running, or to lock the screen if none is, to be specific. | 10:50 |
| zutto | yeah | 10:50 |
| Joonaa | what do notifications even do? the only semi-useful thing there is app update notifications | 10:50 |
| Joonaa | for me anyways | 10:50 |
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| zutto | Joonaa: for example, i have weechat-android running all the time | 10:50 |
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| zutto | i get highlight notifications there | 10:50 |
| zutto | not that useful but.. they do exist! :P | 10:51 |
| tadzik | text messages are there | 10:51 |
| Joonaa | well that doesnt sound useful at all! | 10:51 |
| Joonaa | shouldnt you be getting sound or something? :) | 10:51 |
| zutto | if the notification sounds worked, it would be :P | 10:51 |
| Joonaa | .. of course :P | 10:51 |
| zutto | tho i keep my phone silent almost 24/7 | 10:51 |
| tadzik | sound, to interrupt music? | 10:51 |
| tadzik | (I liked how N900 did this) | 10:51 |
| Joonaa | i think skype offline/online messages were the only things i had there | 10:52 |
| Joonaa | now that i dont even use that anymore... its empty | 10:52 |
| jarkko_ | I use notifications for updates, email, whatsapp, sms... | 10:54 |
| Joonaa | hmm, i guess i just dont use my phone for much :) | 10:55 |
| jaacoppi | Lock screen shows that there's an email or missed call. Go to notifications to see what it is and if you need to react now or later | 10:55 |
| Joonaa | i also havent noticed whatsapp notifications there | 10:55 |
| Joonaa | though to be fair i never open it.. | 10:56 |
| jaacoppi | convenient compared to opening the lock screen and opening all the apps one by one | 10:56 |
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| Joonaa | yeah that sounds fine | 10:57 |
| Joonaa | i guess ill use that if i ever get anything like that :) | 10:57 |
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| jaacoppi | calls and messages? Hopefully you'll get them at least around christmas and birthdays | 10:58 |
| jarkko_ | Joonaa: the (android) whatsapp icon doesn't appear on the lock screen, but appears in notifications. I usually hear the WA sound, then check the notification. Open the app only if I need to see more or to respond. | 10:59 |
| jaacoppi | I only wish android notifications would blink the notification LED | 10:59 |
| Joonaa | you hear the sound? | 11:00 |
| politie | jaacoppi i believe theres an app for that | 11:00 |
| Joonaa | i only get it when the app is open | 11:00 |
| jarkko_ | ah, notification LED. That could be included in the tutorial sequel as well :) | 11:00 |
| Joonaa | yeah, i just learned the led actually does something.. | 11:00 |
| * jarkko_ goes to google what the different colours meant again... | 11:00 | |
| jaacoppi | I hear the sound and I see the notification from android apps when they are open, but the LED would be nice as well | 11:01 |
| politie | http://www.jollausers.com/2015/02/sound-led-and-haptic-feedback-for-android-notifications/ | 11:01 |
| politie | this works for me | 11:01 |
| Joonaa | im very jealous | 11:02 |
| Joonaa | maybe i need to update my wa app or something.. | 11:02 |
| jaacoppi | I used Zedge to assign a whatsapp notification tone | 11:03 |
| jarkko_ | regarding whatsapp, http://www.jollausers.com/2015/03/a-new-whatsapp-client-called-whastup-too-hit-sailfish-os-soon/ | 11:04 |
| Joonaa | oh, no wonder then | 11:05 |
| Ikarus | Reminds me, I need to see if I can pipe a desktop copy of Skype via the still existing DBUS API over the internet into Telepathy :) | 11:05 |
| jaacoppi | I used https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203442828-Setting-up-WhatsApp-for-Android-on-your-Jolla-device | 11:05 |
| politie | maybe you can with skyped | 11:06 |
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| jaacoppi | why not use android skype? | 11:09 |
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| Ikarus | jaacoppi: because it is broken by design and it doesn't integrate ? | 11:09 |
| Ikarus | politie: looks like an option | 11:11 |
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| jaacoppi | doesn't desktop skype suffer from these same problems? | 11:13 |
| Ikarus | jaacoppi: yes ? so ? | 11:14 |
| Ikarus | doesn't mean I can't prioritise fixing it on mobile first :) | 11:14 |
| Ikarus | the Android application is far MORE broken | 11:14 |
| politie | skype android really sucks indeed | 11:15 |
| jaacoppi | skype android on Jolla works better than on my android tablet | 11:17 |
| Ikarus | suuure, but that doesn't mean it's a good application | 11:17 |
| politie | jaacoppi haha yea same here works better than on my android phone | 11:18 |
| jaacoppi | Same than with Whatsapp, there are better applications out there but since everyone else is already using the bad ones.. | 11:18 |
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| the_mgt | "everyone else" maps rather good to the set of "most of the morons"... | 11:22 |
| the_mgt | prime reason for me to stay away. it is sad enough how many unwanted email conversations i have :D | 11:22 |
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| Joonaa | ew, email! | 11:25 |
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| jaacoppi | email is awesome | 11:32 |
| Ikarus | email is horrible | 11:33 |
| jaacoppi | like mail, but the handwriting is easy to decipher | 11:33 |
| Joonaa | i personally prefer im or irc :) | 11:33 |
| jaacoppi | they're used for different purposes | 11:33 |
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| chem|st | jaacoppi: so what for? it is all chat software with different capabilities... I would prefer xmpp with some more extensions up to voip and pgp/otr over any other system | 12:35 |
| Tucho-arc | +1 | 12:35 |
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| mornfall | btw. what happened to the matte finish on the tablet that was shown in the renders? :\ | 13:20 |
| mornfall | the mwc devices appear to be very glossy | 13:20 |
| chem|st | mornfall: the back looks matte to me, where did you see glossy? | 13:25 |
| chem|st | mornfall: I am more wondering "why does it have no NFC, again" | 13:26 |
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| mornfall | http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/jolla-tablet-hands-on-sg-6.jpg works like a mirror, too! :P | 13:27 |
| mornfall | compare https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1018941/files/20141116041206-hero.png?1416139926 | 13:28 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: I still have not one single use for nfc | 13:45 |
| the_mgt | since 2011 or so, when i got my first nfc capable phone | 13:45 |
| chem|st | I'd replace my yubikey witha yubikeyNeo | 13:46 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: I can see that going mass market like rocketdriven kittens... | 13:49 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: in some countries NFC is already made a standard payment option | 13:49 |
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| the_mgt | in germany, we are afraid of new technik | 13:53 |
| the_mgt | there are some bank payment cards which have touch functionality, but since most germans still prefer to pay cash... mass market penetration will probably hit 2054 | 13:54 |
| Nicd- | be happy you don't have nfc cards :P | 13:55 |
| Nicd- | in finland there aren't many ways to avoid them | 13:56 |
| the_mgt | scandinavians seem more keen to use "plastic" money | 13:56 |
| Nicd- | we aren't scandinavian though | 13:57 |
| Joonaa | i dont really care about nfc, i just want self-checkouts at my local store | 13:57 |
| the_mgt | Nicd-: sorry | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | :) | 14:00 |
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| xkr47 | oh my my phone screen goes blank and the light flashes green | 14:06 |
| xkr47 | what does this mean? | 14:06 |
| Ezko | Nicd-: ah, a fellow scholar in the field of finland is not scandinavia | 14:08 |
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| chem|st | xkr47: lipstick probably crashed, nothing to worry as long as it does not blink read | 14:28 |
| chem|st | red | 14:28 |
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| SfietKontantinW | xkr47: blinking green light means: compositor takes time to respond, ie: your phone is frozen for a reason | 15:18 |
| xkr47 | the first symptoms was that saving calendar entries did not save anything.. tried 3 times | 15:21 |
| xkr47 | then the screen went blank and started blinking.. after a while the "running apps" screen appeared without apps | 15:22 |
| xkr47 | *green light started blinking | 15:22 |
| xkr47 | then again the screen went blank and green blinking | 15:22 |
| xkr47 | so I rebooted it | 15:22 |
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| SfietKontantinW | xkr47: crashes yeah | 15:26 |
| SfietKontantinW | wonder why | 15:27 |
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| xkr47 | yeah.. | 15:44 |
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| meklu | hm, anyone managed to get kik's android client to log in? | 18:46 |
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| raa700 | you need some files from working installation | 19:28 |
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| keithzg | Nicd-: Finland isn't Scandinavian in the same way that Canada isn't American. True from the internal perspective, but you aren't really going to convince the rest of the world about it ;) | 19:39 |
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| mjr | if you want to be pedantic, "Nordic" is the word | 19:43 |
| Nicd- | keithzg: difference is Canada is part of North America | 19:43 |
| Nicd- | Finland is not part of Scandinavia | 19:43 |
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| chem|st | Nicd-: so it is russia then? | 19:47 |
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| Hartzi | chem|st: such a stupid question | 19:48 |
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| Nicd- | chem|st: Nordic countries, fennoscandia or just Finland. :P | 19:48 |
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| kimmoli | http://i.imgur.com/lfJnT.png | 19:51 |
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| keithzg | Nicd-: America doesn't mean North America, though, otherwise the Republicans wouldn't have such a problem with the Mexicans ;) | 19:55 |
| keithzg | I'm not saying you're wrong, obviously, just that it's an uphill battle to inform folks from elsewhere. | 19:56 |
| Hartzi | 'murica | 19:56 |
| keithzg | Hartzi: f'yeah! /me waves flag out the window while driving pickup truck | 19:56 |
| Nicd- | keithzg: doesn't mean it's fruitless :P | 19:56 |
| kimmoli | we did that only on '95 never forget | 19:57 |
| keithzg | Nicd-: Lets reconvene in a decade, see how much progress has been made :D | 19:57 |
| Nicd- | I don't go out of my way looking for people to correct. but I might say about it when I see it | 19:57 |
| keithzg | Fair 'nuff. | 19:57 |
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| keithzg | Although, isn't Finland in a way part of the Scandinavian region due to the sizable Swedish-speaking minority? Apologies if I'm way off the mark here, I just know these things indirectly from hanging out sometimes with my Uni's Scandinavian Club (which did involve some people specifically interested in Finland, since they didn't have their own club, heh) | 20:01 |
| keithzg | And I guess from Linus Torvalds being a Swedish-speaking Finn too. But that's the extent of my limited knowledge. | 20:02 |
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| Nicd- | keithzg: sweden has almost double the amount of sweden finns than finland has finnish swedes | 20:04 |
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| Nicd- | it's true we are part of the nordic countries. but that's why we have the term nordic countries :P | 20:05 |
| keithzg | Heh. Well, if the term is being used on the basis of linguistics, yeah, even I know that Finnish doesn't really have much in common with the Scandinavian languages! | 20:07 |
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| sakustar | chem|st: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2qjohv/what_did_your_parents_show_you_to_do_that_you/cn6p5qg | 20:25 |
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| sakustar | about finland | 20:25 |
| Tegu | finland is a lie | 20:26 |
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| ottulo_ | anyone using their Jolla in Finnish? I'm wondering if the default folder names are in English or Finnish | 20:32 |
| ottulo_ | I could switch the language, but that'd require a reboot and I admit to being lazy | 20:33 |
| entil | the file system looks very english | 20:33 |
| ottulo_ | entil: thanks | 20:33 |
| entil | the missus uses her jolla in finnish but I'm sorry to say I can't bother her right now with that | 20:33 |
| entil | if you use the kari file browser you see all the directories as they are | 20:34 |
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| ottulo_ | well, I'm using mine in English so I haven't ever seen if the folder names are localized, but I guess they wouldn't be | 20:34 |
| entil | myeah, the apps abstract a lot of that away | 20:36 |
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| entil | like the gallery app just takes the tree of all images, doesn't much bother with naming of subdirectories | 20:36 |
| ottulo_ | I suppose so, although I regularly need to browse the file system either through an app or in FingerTerm | 20:36 |
| ottulo_ | ^that gallery could really use some subdirectories :/ | 20:37 |
| entil | it probably wouldn't be a long stretch, cuz you can already have them, they're just not exposed to the app itself in any way | 20:37 |
| ottulo_ | I copied all images on mine to subfolders by month, but that doesn't help all that much... | 20:37 |
| entil | like if the default view were as it is now but you could organize them | 20:37 |
| entil | fwiw if you opened a question-issue on tjc and let me know about it I'd upvote it :D | 20:38 |
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| ottulo_ | if I didn't already have so much that I'm supposed to do, I might try to write up some gallery app for Jolla | 20:38 |
| ottulo_ | unfortunately, the closest to programming I've done is some scripts, usually just edited for my needs, so that'd take months at best :D | 20:39 |
| entil | if the current gallery app's open-sourced you could take a try at hacking it | 20:40 |
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| entil | not sure the community would benefit from competition in that particular field because a gallery app doesn't have to be that complicated | 20:40 |
| ottulo_ | there's already a post on tjc for that, btw: https://together.jolla.com/question/1948/feature-request-folderalbum-view-in-gallery/ | 20:41 |
| entil | upvot'd | 20:41 |
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| ottulo_ | I agree there'd be little use for competition, since I don't expect much from the app either | 20:41 |
| ottulo_ | but since the feature is currently missing and if I was to study Qt, what better way than to make something useable | 20:42 |
| entil | "I suggest to use folders in the camera app as well, for example one folder per month. Browsing through one huge folder takes very long time, even via usb." that's the kind of stuff you may want to do without actual directories but logical "folders" in the app | 20:42 |
| entil | yeah, as long as the app's open-source, which I don't know it is | 20:42 |
| ottulo_ | huh, I logged in to upvote that, but I seem to have upvoted it already :D | 20:43 |
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| entil | hah :) | 20:43 |
| entil | there was a comment "I'm amazed this is so low down on the list of priorities" and sucks to say but for a startup that needs to push out products to stay afloat something like a gallery app can't be the priority | 20:44 |
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| ottulo_ | sure, but I guess adding the feature seems pretty trivial to most people | 20:45 |
| ottulo_ | I admit I don't know how much work could be expected from that | 20:46 |
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| entil | sure, but it's not necessarily trivial.. | 20:46 |
| ottulo_ | >seems trivial | 20:46 |
| entil | like if you want images by month, right? like someone said about the camera? | 20:46 |
| entil | yes :D | 20:46 |
| entil | let me just get this out of my system before going to sleep and/or watch the new better call saul episode | 20:46 |
| entil | so you have uniform naming when it comes to the camera, you can break the directory contents into logical folders based on the file names, but what happens when you have an app that creates files in a subdirectory? | 20:47 |
| entil | so you end up in a situation where you should be doing only file name parsing but suddenly mtimes, and then you do mtimes only, and that is easy or even trivial but it's one feature | 20:48 |
| entil | then you need a manager for moving photos from one folder to another | 20:48 |
| entil | should you be able to have a photo in more than one album or not? | 20:48 |
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| entil | anyway, these things are still between trivial and easy, and the UI is probably the hardest part, and as long as you don't paint yourself in a corner you can always add more features with relative ease | 20:49 |
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| ottulo_ | with photos I think it'd be most secure to go with EXIF date, although that requires extra work to get the date out, and only works on the files that have the tags intact | 20:50 |
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| entil | exif does not necessarily exist, but I don't think there are a lot of ways to interfere with mtimes on the phone | 20:51 |
| entil | but even if you took mtimes only as your approach, cuz all the cool kids are doing mtimes, you need to scan the directory for files and bucket them into mtime-based folders and that's an r&d task cuz I doubt many people know whether or not that's going to be too heavy | 20:52 |
| ottulo_ | actually, working with EXIF might be an issue also if you have photos copied from the internet and elsewhere that could be ages old | 20:52 |
| entil | my gut tells me any kind of db or caching blows this out of proportion so the solutions should be fast enough as-is | 20:52 |
| ottulo_ | you'd have a whole bunch of subfolders with few images in each, and have trouble finding the files :D | 20:52 |
| entil | what this imo leads to is that the issues aren't particularly hard but there's enough of figuring-shit-out that compared to shipping the tablet it pales in comparison | 20:53 |
| ottulo_ | or only separate camera photos in the app, and keep the rest according their position in the file system | 20:53 |
| ottulo_ | "it's easier to build and release a tablet than to add subfolder support in a gallery app" is what you're saying? ;P | 20:54 |
| entil | it's more important to put the r&d effort into the tablet than improving upon a feature that works well enough for a phone that's just over a year old | 20:54 |
| ottulo_ | yeah | 20:54 |
| entil | that's what I'm saying, and hopefully pointing out some of the things that take r&d time in practice | 20:55 |
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| urs | Feature request for the next phone: please include a camera good enough to image the aurora over helsinki (as it is happening right now) | 21:11 |
| chem|st | sakustar: redd'it^^ | 21:12 |
| ottulo_ | urs: I managed to capture a couple bright stars (read: planet and maybe a star), but no aurora | 21:12 |
| ottulo_ | then again, they were almost too faint to see with the naked eye either | 21:12 |
| urs | yeah, true. | 21:13 |
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| keithzg | urs: had aurora over my own city (Edmonton) last weekend, thought for a moment about tryng to capture it but decided it wasn't the time for technology at the moment :) | 22:01 |
| keithzg | Although I got some great aurora pictures back in teh day with my N900 since you could set manual exposure/iso/etc settings. Amazing what could be done with that thanks to the open drivers. | 22:02 |
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