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| Morgawr | http://i.imgur.com/8dL8H8M.png Yay, I got erlang runnong on my jolla | 00:59 |
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| Morgawr | running* | 00:59 |
| Morgawr | Took a long time to compile but it's cool | 01:00 |
| M4rtinK | Eiffel next! :) | 01:01 |
| Morgawr | I was hoping golang but I think that might be harder | 01:01 |
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| coderus | Android notifications updated to v0.5.0 with moooore settings :) https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/android-notifications | 04:32 |
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| jaacoppi | My first day experiences with Jolla Phone & Sailfish: http://fromasailfishosnoob.tumblr.com | 05:31 |
| jaacoppi | Time to start the second day | 05:31 |
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| tiwake | jaacoppi: heh... I cant do stuff like that.. all I'd say is "I plugged it in and it worked the way I wanted it to." or something | 06:18 |
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| jaacoppi | tiwake: you mean you can't "write good"? That's what I thought before I started to write yesterday. | 06:54 |
| tiwake | jaacoppi: no... I would summarize things to contain condensed information such that it takes the "feel" out of the wording | 06:56 |
| tiwake | thats also why I cant just write a fictional story... I've tried | 06:57 |
| jaacoppi | I work for a local government agency so writing condensed information without any feelings is what I do for a living. I try to write this one differently | 06:59 |
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| tiwake | *shrug* | 07:02 |
| tiwake | the thing I write the most of is programs for CNC machines :P | 07:02 |
| urs | Wtf, theboperating system is showing me ads in the notification area! | 07:09 |
| urs | Just now I have an ad for the forcea weather app in my notification area. | 07:09 |
| urs | Dear jolla, I never opted in for you to give my unsolicited ads. | 07:10 |
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| svuorela | ..I have yet to experience that. | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | urs: screenshot? | 07:14 |
| urs | how do I take a screenshot? | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | screenshot tools exist in store | 07:16 |
| urs | ok, let me see | 07:16 |
| svuorela | or just go 'analog' and use a camera | 07:17 |
| jaacoppi | or a smith & wesson, that's a screen shot as well | 07:18 |
| urs | http://urs.nerd2nerd.org/20150228091822.jpg <-- here, the top one | 07:22 |
| svuorela | nice theme and icons, btw. | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah, but that's more like a feature notification.. | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | as that's where weather would sit | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | not a place for ads | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit like store advertising jolla apps | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | but now that you mention it, it'd be a brilliant place to send ads to | 07:24 |
| * Stskeeps patents | 07:24 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:24 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: lol | 07:24 |
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| svuorela | I might agree with urs that it is something peolpe should explicit ask for. | 07:25 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: otoh, we advertise software updates there too | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit of a balancing act | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's a sailfishos feature powered by foreca data | 07:25 |
| Teemu | if he does not yet have the foreca app, why is it saying something in there? | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | because it's a new feature, like we have hints that show how to use the phone, there's hints on how to get better use of your phone in this area | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | you should be able to dismiss it i presume with a bit of tap-n-holding? | 07:27 |
| tiwake | yeah... why would I need a thing to tell me its raining outside? | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's a 'no thanks' in the tap-n-hol menu | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | d | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | and it disappears | 07:28 |
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| * Stskeeps downloads software for MWC demos | 07:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | anyway, i understand the problematique: i wouldn't personally call it an ad. no data has been exchanged about the notification so it's not a personalised ad. you can opt out of it with ease. | 07:31 |
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| urs | Still, it is the operating system telling me, in a very prominent spot, about an ad I don't want. | 07:33 |
| urs | For me, that is the same as advertising. | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | s/ad/feature/g | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | and instead of us preinstalling it, you have a choice not to get it, while a majority of people would want to know how to get that feature | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | (IMHO) | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | since it's told about in release notes | 07:34 |
| urs | You don't have to justify it, all I ask for is a way to permanently disable it. | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | sure, tap-and-hold and it disappears | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | 'no thanks' | 07:35 |
| urs | But in the next update, another one may appear in its spot, right? | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | some OS'es boot up with a kiosk mode introducing you the new features | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | what's more invasive vs telling users how to use their devices better with the updated systems? | 07:36 |
| urs | Sure, but they typically have a "don't show these hints anymore" option. | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be fair and say that i won't be able to get this discussed since it's MWC next week; can you contact care about your concern and mention 'carsten munk told me to send this, could you cc him' and i'll take it forward? | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | will take a bit | 07:37 |
| urs | ok, sure | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | our next software sync meeting is first in like, 10 days | 07:38 |
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| jaacoppi | People app shows my contacts from SIM. In my previous phone, I had a name for every contact. People shows that name under "Nicknames". Android apps seem to use the name in "First name" and "Last name". How do I convert all entries automagically (150 of them) so that Android apps can see my contact list names? | 08:12 |
| jaacoppi | if I manually write a first name and last name, People starts using that instead of Nickname, so it seems that's the way to go | 08:12 |
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| Mikaela | not with u10, so probably ytplayer or something | 12:14 |
| Lieke | Sailfish OS 1.0.3.8 added Python 3.3.3 and PyOtherSide to the repositories. | 12:14 |
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| Mikaela | it wasn't installed by default here and neither was Python and there was some reason why I installed them | 12:15 |
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| Tegu | oki, it was seadevil. so I had installed it on my own (as expected) | 12:34 |
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| coderus | Powersave menu entry for Jolla Settings. Can be added to favorites. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/jolla-powersave-settings | 17:05 |
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| ikarus | hrm, anyone know how well Android applications can access Bluetooth devices | 17:36 |
| ikarus | looking at a exercise band thing | 17:36 |
| coderus | ikarus: afaik it something about 0% | 17:38 |
| ikarus | coderus: ick :( | 17:38 |
| ikarus | coderus: the Bluetooth API in Android isn't too hard to translate to vanilla Bluez 4 | 17:39 |
| ikarus | (I've programmed for both), so I'm surprised they haven't | 17:39 |
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| ikarus | although it looks like this one might not work well anyway as it is sync based and not realtime | 17:41 |
| ikarus | and I wanted realtime data on my phone | 17:41 |
| ikarus | But at 28 euro that is a shame | 17:41 |
| ikarus | that I couldn't even use it as intended with Jolla | 17:42 |
| ikarus | wonder if I could reverse engineer the application on a cheap Android device | 17:44 |
| ikarus | although I have no BT 4.0 devices I think | 17:44 |
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| ikarus | guess I will wait for a Pebble fitness band | 17:48 |
| ikarus | given that that is atleast practically open tech | 17:48 |
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| Sail0r | use a normal pebble watch | 17:52 |
| Sail0r | with misfit or up | 17:53 |
| fredrin | jolla + pebble = not soo good combo | 17:53 |
| ikarus | Sail0r: ordered the newer Pebble | 17:53 |
| ikarus | fredrin: it's better then other smartwatches with Jolla | 17:54 |
| Sail0r | fredrin: why? mine is working great with jolla | 17:54 |
| ikarus | and it has an API, I don't mind programming | 17:54 |
| fredrin | I got that combo my self | 17:54 |
| fredrin | Jolla + Pebble Steel | 17:54 |
| Sail0r | same here | 17:54 |
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| urs | It works so-so-ish. Notifications work of course. | 17:54 |
| Sail0r | and js api apps | 17:55 |
| urs | But since aliendalvik can't talk to bluetooth, nothing with a android companion app works. | 17:55 |
| fredrin | Maybe you can tell me why locations are a problem | 17:55 |
| ikarus | urs: given that I want it for notifications and my calender, I think it's a fit for me | 17:55 |
| urs | ikarus: yes, that should work | 17:55 |
| fredrin | Sail0r: Or Watchfaces that need to get some weather data | 17:55 |
| Sail0r | well I don't use anything with android | 17:55 |
| ikarus | urs: I wish Aliendalvik would be a little more open, because old-fashioned (3.x-4.3) Android BT support is not too hard to integrate | 17:55 |
| fredrin | never works is my experience | 17:55 |
| ikarus | urs: because it is a very thin layer on top of Bluez 4 | 17:55 |
| Sail0r | fredrin: I always use a fixed location that's why I never have a problem | 17:55 |
| Sail0r | and yelp works great with location as long as being connected to only a mobile network and not wifi | 17:56 |
| fredrin | I travell alot | 17:56 |
| fredrin | it's not a big deal, but annoying | 17:56 |
| Sail0r | yeah, I understand | 17:56 |
| fredrin | but not enough to do anything about it :) | 17:57 |
| Sail0r | it's a bit sad that nobody wants to really look at the issue | 17:57 |
| Sail0r | I am not a programmer myself so I cannot do anything about it :x | 17:57 |
| Sail0r | but provide bug reports ^^ | 17:57 |
| ikarus | Sail0r: the location tracking is something I could probably fix | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | And I am still considering to pledge for the new pebble :x | 17:58 |
| * ikarus just needs to find space in her schedule for it | 17:58 | |
| Sail0r | ikarus: hehe | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | cool | 17:58 |
| ikarus | oh and I need an actual pebble | 17:58 |
| ikarus | so May at the earliest it seems | 17:58 |
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| Sail0r | :) | 17:59 |
| Sail0r | for me it looks like an timeout issue or something similar | 17:59 |
| Sail0r | because for me it first does not work in yelp! but trying it again works | 17:59 |
| Sail0r | first try always => fail second try most of the time is a success | 17:59 |
| ikarus | Sail0r: sounds like some silly bug that should be solveable | 18:00 |
| Sail0r | yep | 18:00 |
| fredrin | I got problems with data aswell, like the app called 'btc simple' Just hangs on loading the price all the time | 18:00 |
| fredrin | The music app can not controll the volume of the Jolla | 18:01 |
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| Sail0r | I hope the new pebble brings many developers to Jolla who want their brand new pebble run on Jolla ;) | 18:01 |
| Sail0r | fredrin: but this maybe a problem of the Jolla integration | 18:01 |
| ikarus | Sail0r: well, I was on the edge of buying a Pebble anyway, to go with my Jolla | 18:01 |
| ikarus | as I like companies with this attitude | 18:01 |
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| Sail0r | I don't know if they implemented volume control | 18:01 |
| ikarus | but the new watch just pushed me over | 18:01 |
| Sail0r | :) | 18:02 |
| ikarus | getting one in red, but I need to find a bit more subdued, but girly band to go with it | 18:02 |
| Sail0r | I don't really like the design | 18:02 |
| Sail0r | but I like pebble and the idea behind them | 18:02 |
| Sail0r | so maybe I just pledge for the new one and my boyfriend gets my steel :P | 18:02 |
| ikarus | Sail0r: well, I'd like it a bit smaller, but I know enough about electronics that I know they really can't | 18:02 |
| ikarus | I wonder if there is a "NATO band" (even though the rear charge port makes it a bit of a nuisance) that is a bit girly | 18:03 |
| ikarus | haven't worn watches in years | 18:03 |
| ikarus | because I like the low profile of them | 18:04 |
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| attah | Are there any good ways to check or make sure bugs from TJC has been added to the internal tracker? | 18:35 |
| ikarus | attah: asking is I think the only way | 18:37 |
| attah | okay.. anyone willing to answer if the tel-link-bug has been received? | 18:38 |
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| aurum23 | somebody in here from jolla who feels responsible for security issues? | 20:03 |
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| Yaniel | security @ jolla . com? or something lime that | 20:06 |
| Yaniel | like* | 20:06 |
| ikarus | probably, IRC tends to not be the place for stuff like that | 20:07 |
| aurum23 | that's what i think, too... thought maybe i can get a query from someone like a dev of sailfish os or else... | 20:07 |
| aurum23 | and even together.jolla.com feels insecure to me to post something really security related... because well, it's public... | 20:08 |
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| tbr | aurum23: I guess messaging tigeli and Stskeeps would be sensible. Keep in mind a) it's weekend b) at least Stskeeps is on his way to MWC | 20:10 |
| ikarus | https://jolla.com/contact/ mentions security@jolla.com | 20:10 |
| aurum23 | ok... so I will go the official email way... | 20:10 |
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| tigeli | tbr: thanks :) | 20:31 |
| tbr | :) | 20:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats right its MWC week | 20:34 |
| r0kk3rz | aaaaaalllll the announcements | 20:34 |
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| * attah keeps hoping for J2 | 20:37 | |
| gogeta | r0kk3rz, all the bullshits | 20:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that too | 20:39 |
| gogeta | hi hope the team here rocks, beacause they deserve it | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: im not sure we'll see a J2 announcement as such, but we might see a third-party-saifish-device announcement | 20:40 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: depending on the party that might be just as interesting.. or perhaps even more | 20:41 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah certainly not a bad thing | 20:41 |
| attah | i wonder what would be the "best partnership" | 20:44 |
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| gogeta | i dunno | 20:44 |
| gogeta | sorry for the company I want another sbj | 20:44 |
| attah | not counting Nokia, since they can't make phones for another year or two | 20:44 |
| gogeta | f* n | 20:44 |
| attah | ? | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | might be meizu | 20:46 |
| meklu|fdf | Nokia could let Foxconn use their brand for a phone :P | 20:46 |
| r0kk3rz | they need to differentiate themselves from xiaomi i think | 20:46 |
| r0kk3rz | or maybe LG, but they might do something webossy | 20:47 |
| gogeta | don't trust the foxy lady | 20:50 |
| attah | meklu|fdf: no? m$ has the license for that for a while longer | 20:51 |
| meklu|fdf | rightio | 20:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | it is a little interesing how nokia sells its phone division | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | then gets straight back into making phones | 20:53 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: not straight, they have to wait something like 18 months | 20:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | as quickly as they can | 20:53 |
| ikarus | yup | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | everyone expects them to release a phone at some point | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure they're doing the R&D for it right now | 20:54 |
| attah | i guess it had overgrown itself.. making phones now is a whole lot simpler than 10 years ago | 20:54 |
| ikarus | I will die laughing if they end up buying Jolla within 2 years | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | a plot worthy of a GRRM novel | 20:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah meizu are releasing an ubuntu phone | 21:01 |
| r0kk3rz | but that means they'll get some hybris experience | 21:02 |
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| jaacoppi | People app shows my contacts from SIM. In my previous phone, I had a name for every contact. People shows that name under "Nicknames". Android apps seem to use the name in "First name" and "Last name". How do I convert all entries automagically (150 of them) so that Android apps can see my contact list names? (I asked this about 12 hours ago but got no answers) | 21:17 |
| jaacoppi | if I manually write a first name and last name, People starts using that instead of Nickname, so it seems that's the way to go | 21:17 |
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| attah | jaacoppi: if qou know sql you could probably script it towards the contacts db | 21:20 |
| Yaniel | whoa since when did the call button on bluetooth earphones work with jolla | 21:22 |
| jaacoppi | attah: how should I access the contacts db? | 21:23 |
| attah | seems to be in ~/.local/share/system/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite | 21:23 |
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| attah | so back it up and get to work on a copy with the sqlite command line thingy | 21:25 |
| attah | i have messed with sql litterally twice, so i can't really provide any detailed advice | 21:26 |
| jaacoppi | okay, I'll try it tomorrow morning if there's no other solutions. I'm guessing my old SIM card from 2009 stored the contacts differently from what sailfish expects | 21:27 |
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| coderus | don't forget to backup, but i think it's bad idea to deal with database directly | 21:47 |
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| jaacoppi | I think so too, but I haven't found out better options yet | 21:54 |
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| coderus | codde small app using nemo seaside classes | 21:55 |
| coderus | this one: https://github.com/nemomobile/libcontacts | 21:56 |
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| svuorela | so. I'm trying to install f-droid on my phone. strategy: download with browser. find file with file manager thing. select install. file browser suggests that if nothing happens the package is faulty. and nothing happens. and the .apk file looks like a zip file. what to look for ? | 22:19 |
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| AmadeusXNet | Weird that I couldn't connect to my Jolla phone through SSH when bluetooth was on. Any ideas anyone? :) | 22:20 |
| AmadeusXNet | Bluetooth were connected* | 22:21 |
| HtheB | AmadeusXNet: connected to? | 22:22 |
| HtheB | mine is always connected to my Pebble | 22:22 |
| HtheB | no issues here | 22:22 |
| Teemu | the pebble shows incoming calls and messages while allowing you to place outgoing calls? | 22:23 |
| HtheB | yes | 22:23 |
| Teemu | hmm | 22:23 |
| HtheB | while << ? | 22:23 |
| AmadeusXNet | HtheB: I had it for a test for: Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro(TM) | 22:23 |
| Teemu | i've thought that could be nice so that i could leave the phone in pocket for most of the day | 22:24 |
| HtheB | ah yes | 22:24 |
| HtheB | so do I Teemu :D | 22:24 |
| HtheB | you could beck the new Pebble Time | 22:24 |
| Teemu | let me crank this laptop a bit | 22:26 |
| AmadeusXNet | By the way, does anyone know the terminal command for pairing the Bluetooth? I've been googling but maybe I searched with the wrong tags :) | 22:26 |
| Teemu | mbp with 4gigs of ram is struggling so i'm basically handcranking so it goes faster | 22:27 |
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| the_mgt | Teemu: you don't place calls with a pebble. well, maybe with a watch app, not sure. but it would need to read your jolla's contacts, and I guess such an app does not exist | 22:42 |
| the_mgt | and because of the sad state of email notifications, you can not let your phone in your pocket for the whole day | 22:42 |
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| the_mgt | you will get the same notifications on the watch as on your phone, so the second email will show up as "1 new email" instead of displaying the whole sender/subject cpombo | 22:43 |
| tiwake | is mobile world congress today? | 22:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | well pre-MWC is | 22:49 |
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| tiwake | when is it? | 22:50 |
| r0kk3rz | monday | 22:50 |
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| HtheB | guys, does anyone has some experience with VLC? | 23:02 |
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| AmadeusXNet | HtheB: What are you wondering about VLC? | 23:26 |
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| HtheB | I need to restream something | 23:27 |
| HtheB | but dont know how | 23:27 |
| HtheB | (sorry, has nothing to do with jolla :( ) | 23:27 |
| HtheB | but I thought maybe someone might know it from here | 23:27 |
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