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| juhaj | Interesting: indiegogo got my money, but neither they nor jolla bothered to [e]mail me any kind of confirmation about neither the tablet nor the phone. (That's the combo-support-option on indiegogo) | 00:14 |
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| tiwake | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=UEFI-2.5-Better-Linux-Updates | 06:50 |
| tiwake | shiny | 06:50 |
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| Teemu | what's annoying is that they're specifically speaking of "from the desktop" as if servers didn't need their uefi firmwares updated | 07:00 |
| Teemu | or that everybody runs xorg in their servers anyway because of shiny | 07:00 |
| tiwake | it looks like it should not matter... | 07:02 |
| tbr | given that it's RH behind it, I'm rather sure that it's just Moronix failing to write it up correctly | 07:02 |
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| tiwake | use any UEFI 2.5 updating software to update any UEFI2.5 motherboard | 07:02 |
| tiwake | if it does not exist, make one and it "should" work on any given motherboard, because yay standards | 07:03 |
| Teemu | standards <3 | 07:04 |
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| tiwake | also, I'm drinking vodka and orange juice | 07:04 |
| Teemu | is the uefi standard free in the sense of both money and the normal english definition of freedom? | 07:05 |
| tiwake | donno | 07:05 |
| Teemu | i'm annoyed by rms taking over the word freedom in computer context so that nowadays you have to always specify if you're not speaking about his freedom | 07:05 |
| tiwake | rms? | 07:06 |
| Jope | :-D | 07:06 |
| Jope | tiwake, stallman | 07:06 |
| tiwake | who is that? | 07:06 |
| tbr | Root Mean Square, obviously, snerk | 07:06 |
| tiwake | :P | 07:06 |
| Teemu | he has some good points but the way he drives them makes me hate the whole issue | 07:07 |
| Jope | tiwake, the person who started the open source movement .. | 07:07 |
| * tbr has a couple tru RMS multimeters and they weren't free | 07:07 | |
| Teemu | Jope: :D | 07:07 |
| tiwake | who even pays attention to stallman? | 07:07 |
| Jope | seems quite a few.. | 07:07 |
| tiwake | he is just a hippie that happened to use a computer | 07:07 |
| Jope | think of his opinions what you will, but you gotta admit he has a consistent approach :-D | 07:07 |
| Teemu | Jope: started in the way al gore invented the interweb tubes | 07:07 |
| Jope | teemu, who did oss in an organized manner before? | 07:08 |
| Jope | genuine question | 07:08 |
| Teemu | mit, stanford, regents of the university of berkeley | 07:08 |
| Teemu | they just didn't push any limitations on the freedom and didn't claim to own the word freedom | 07:09 |
| tiwake | the "do whatever you freaking want" license :3 | 07:09 |
| Teemu | yes | 07:10 |
| Teemu | freedom | 07:10 |
| tbr | the MIT license as such seems to be younger than the gnu project though | 07:10 |
| Teemu | now the open source term was coined in the reclaiming-free-software-from-hippies movement at end of 90s largely by esr | 07:10 |
| tiwake | sometimes that works, but anarchy is sometimes not desirable in a software license | 07:11 |
| Teemu | somehow juniper and apple are contributing back to upstream without any sandal hippies ranting about how restricting freedom makes more freedom | 07:12 |
| pp | heh, I just stick a new bios on a usb stick and update through the bios :-) (but I suppose updating and then rebooting would be even better) | 07:12 |
| Teemu | as i said, rms has his points but his way of driving them makes a lot of annoyance | 07:13 |
| Teemu | he sounds pretty totalitarian about it | 07:13 |
| Jope | yep, he lives as he preaches, and that's what I'm giving him credit for. I'm not a GPL man myself | 07:13 |
| tbr | it's easy to dismiss someone for "unreasonable criticism" if you disagree with their message... just saying | 07:14 |
| Teemu | he wants to restrict my freedom too | 07:14 |
| Jope | whatever crap I've done has been with a bsd license | 07:14 |
| Teemu | tbr: point is, i'm mostly agreeing with rms ideas on the licence restriction but i'm hating the way he walks about it | 07:14 |
| Teemu | also, i'm not at all sure that the results are along the lines on what was meant | 07:15 |
| tbr | Teemu: that's partly what I'm referring to | 07:15 |
| Teemu | it's easy from maker point of view to say "yes this is gpl, use it as you wish" but from the other view gpl creates a lot of annoying nonprogramming processes | 07:16 |
| Teemu | such as having to find out exactly what parts of your product are affected exactly how and what parts of your code is necessary to have available for your end customers | 07:17 |
| Jope | naturally in rms' ideal world everything is gpl so the problem alleviates itself :-D | 07:19 |
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| Teemu | i've got nothing against someone not me making a whole bunch of money using my tech platform | 07:19 |
| Teemu | also, while i'd like them to contribute fixes and betterments back to me, i'd ideally not want to enforce it | 07:20 |
| Teemu | i wasn't alone so i was downvoted and now i'm stuck with gpl | 07:21 |
| Yaniel | the fun part is that FWIW people actually like to get their fixes upstream | 07:22 |
| Yaniel | (mostly because maintaining a custom fork is a PITA I guess) | 07:22 |
| Teemu | indeed | 07:23 |
| Teemu | there is already good technical reasons to do it so the legal point is nearly moot | 07:23 |
| Yaniel | just look at how people rage about not being able to fix problems that jolla hasn't fixed yet :D | 07:24 |
| Teemu | also, if someone is a dick, i'd rather not deal with him at all instead of "being able to legally force him into not being a dick" as the gpl idea is | 07:24 |
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| Acce | I have my doubts how much fixes we would get even if it would allowed for general public.. more likely we would get more of "I would fix this if I had time, but I have other things to do. But hey, since it's possible to fix, I guess someone will do it!" | 07:54 |
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| tbr | Acce: while in a legal dark grey zone, there seems to be significant contribution and interest in patches to the proprietary ui, for whatever reasons. | 08:04 |
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| tbr | turning this into something positive and having reduced net workload would be up to the owner of the code | 08:06 |
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| tbr | also there are a few brave people who actually dig through the maze of mer/nemo migration wasteland and manage to get fixes in. Here the barrier of entry is unnecessarily high. So high that many people might think it's actually a proprietary problem. | 08:09 |
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| Acce | tbr: yes, true.. maybe they should open source something simple which would be easy to get in, like the calculator | 08:20 |
| TemeV | Acce: yeah those basic apps could very well be open source. Then people could improve the default calculator instead of writing yet another calculator app | 08:27 |
| TemeV | but most likely people would still write their own calculators | 08:28 |
| kimmoli | oo, TemeV, nice app idea | 08:30 |
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| TemeV | kimmoli: yet another calculator? | 08:32 |
| pp | RPN! | 08:33 |
| kimmoli | YAC | 08:33 |
| TemeV | there seems to be RPN calculator in store | 08:33 |
| TemeV | and description of MeeCalc says litterally "Yet another calculator for Sailfish" | 08:34 |
| TemeV | :) | 08:35 |
| pp | oooh, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thomasokken.free42&hl=en | 08:35 |
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| pp | hp42 <3 <3 <3 | 08:35 |
| tadzik | Sailfish: "oh no, why do we have *two* calculators in store? :(" -- Android: "You're cute when you're angry..." | 08:35 |
| tadzik | we're progressing towards a Mature Platform with Tons of Apps! /s | 08:36 |
| politie | theres never enough calculators | 08:36 |
| pp | tho I guess a sailfish ui vs. a simulated physical calculator would be nicer :-) | 08:36 |
| tadzik | next thing we'll have a different email clients for different providers | 08:36 |
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| tbr | do we have fart apps yet? | 08:54 |
| VDVsx | there's a whip app at least :D | 08:54 |
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| tadzik | good start :) I wonder what gesture do you have to make to make it do a fart sound | 08:58 |
| Joonaa | i think you have to tap the screen | 09:00 |
| tadzik | I think you can also physically swing the phone | 09:00 |
| ballock | you should squeeze it to get the fart :p | 09:01 |
| j-doge | a fart app should have facial recognition and activate when doing this face http://www.z103.fm/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fart31.jpg | 09:02 |
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| Joonaa | j-doge: http://xkcd.com/1425/ | 09:05 |
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| j-doge | hehe | 09:06 |
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| sjtoik | aksioma: jokaiseen relevanttiin asiaan löytyy vastaava xkcd strippi | 09:12 |
| sjtoik | ... aksiom: for every relevant subject, there is a xkcd strip | 09:13 |
| sjtoik | aaand it's spelled with x | 09:14 |
| j-doge | and in Finnish it's aksiooma :P | 09:15 |
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| sakustar | j-doge: pls no | 09:53 |
| sakustar | last time i started with a math article in wikipedia it took 10+ hours and ended up in hypercubes | 09:54 |
| Tegu | 214 | 09:57 |
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| henk | hi. I remember finding an app in the store that allows a "reboot" and it was not "sailfishreboot" but something different, IIRC a power or system monitor app. Does anyone happen to know which it is or can give me a clue how to find it? Searching for "reboot" in the store only returns sailfishreboot … | 10:05 |
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| juhaj | Should I expect some kind of confirmation or acknowledgement from jolla when I support the tablet on indiegogo, or will the phone (I chose the combo-support-option) just magically appear at given address? | 10:05 |
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| Yaniel | IIRC you should get a confirmation email from indiegogo | 10:06 |
| tadzik | henk: Lighthouse has it in phone controls in pulley menu | 10:06 |
| henk | juhaj: You chose phone+tablet? Then you should receive a mail with a code which you can redeem in jolla’s webshop for the phone. | 10:06 |
| Yaniel | and later a code from jolla for the phone and an email about the shipping address shortly before shipping start | 10:07 |
| Yaniel | s | 10:07 |
| henk | tadzik: ah, that’s it, thank you (: | 10:07 |
| tadzik | yw :) | 10:08 |
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| juhaj | henk: And since I did not..? | 10:09 |
| juhaj | Yaniel: I got the email from indiegogo alright, but that's basically just saying the same as the "thank you" web page on indiegogo | 10:09 |
| henk | juhaj: … it seems I misunderstood what you said (; sorry | 10:10 |
| juhaj | henk: No, I think you did understand just right. | 10:10 |
| juhaj | henk: I chose phone+tablet, never heard a word from jolla | 10:10 |
| juhaj | henk: I would not mind the phone just appearing at my door, but I doubt it will work like that, so I am a bit concerned as indiegogo already got my money | 10:11 |
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| henk | juhaj: It took like 2 days until I got the mail AFAICT. | 10:11 |
| juhaj | henk: It's been 5 | 10:11 |
| juhaj | (But that's counting the weekend) | 10:11 |
| Yaniel | if nothing happens, contact jolla care | 10:11 |
| juhaj | So tehy don't really have an automated email ack system? Some real person actually sends these off? Or how else can it take more than 10 seconds? | 10:12 |
| juhaj | s/tehy/they/ | 10:12 |
| Yaniel | that is probably the case | 10:12 |
| Yaniel | wouldn't be surprised if they sent them in batches once a week or so | 10:13 |
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| juhaj | Yaniel: If there was a real person doing that, that's what I'd expect to happen unless there are hundreds of orders/week. That's what we do with some things, too. | 10:35 |
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| henk | I’m trying to optimize for battery life. Any general hints for that? My usual approach is to leave every wireless connection switched off as long as I don’t need it, but switching on/off are a bit tedious when I always have to find and open the settings application for that. Is there anything giving quicker access to these settings? (something like symbian and android have would be nice: a (pulley) | 10:48 |
| henk | menu accessible from everywhere with options for WIFI, Bluetooth, mobile data, … | 10:48 |
| SfietKonstantinW | henk: disable android | 10:48 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and leave settings opened | 10:48 |
| SfietKonstantinW | you have all the switches in settings app | 10:48 |
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| tadzik | henk: you can have a patch that puts those switches in the events view | 10:50 |
| henk | SfietKonstantinW: hm, disable android to save energy? Could you please point me to where I find that setting? | 10:50 |
| tadzik | frankly, if settings app had cover actions I'd probably not use this eventsview thingy | 10:50 |
| Yaniel | uninstall android support if you don't need it | 10:50 |
| tadzik | or just stop dalvik when you're not using it | 10:51 |
| Yaniel | if you do, install sailfish-utilities from store and go to settings->system->utilities->kill alien dalvik | 10:51 |
| henk | SfietKonstantinW: Leaving settings open is a possibility, but "wastes" a space on the main screen, so I’ll keep looking for other solutions. But thank you for mentioning it (: | 10:52 |
| henk | tadzik: That sounds useful. Where/how can I get that? | 10:52 |
| tadzik | henk: first https://openrepos.net/ and get Warehouse | 10:53 |
| henk | Yaniel: Actually I want to try not to need it. | 10:53 |
| henk | On a related note: how can I see which installed apps are native sailfish apps and which are android apps? | 10:53 |
| tadzik | so actually https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos | 10:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | there is a patch for the homescreen to get it in events view too | 10:53 |
| tadzik | and then through it you can install https://openrepos.net/content/sfietkonstantin/patchmanager-jolla-settings and https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet | 10:53 |
| tadzik | if you're using the newest SFOS, being 1.1.2.15 | 10:54 |
| tadzik | the Early Access one | 10:54 |
| tadzik | credit to coderus++ | 10:54 |
| henk | hm, I’m on 1.1.1.27 | 10:55 |
| cityoflights2 | How to search emails in sailfish? | 10:56 |
| henk | Yaniel: How do I uninstall android support? | 10:56 |
| tadzik | there's a patch for that one too | 10:56 |
| tadzik | I just don't remember which one is it :P | 10:56 |
| Yaniel | henk: store->pulley->own apps | 10:56 |
| tadzik | patchmanager is kind of tedious when you update your system though | 10:56 |
| henk | tadzik: hehe, ok, I’ll take a look around openrepos.net, didn’t know about it yet, thank you very much (: | 10:56 |
| tadzik | a bit rough around the edges in general, but more good than harm nonetheless | 10:56 |
| Yaniel | if you ever installed it in the first place that is | 10:57 |
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| tadzik | henk: enjoy :) | 10:57 |
| henk | Yaniel: ah, ok, I did not. | 10:57 |
| tadzik | if you play D&D I even have an extra treat for you :D | 10:57 |
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| henk | I’m confused: there are apps in the store with an android symbol. I think I even installed some of them. I don’t have any android support app installed though, at least not that I know of. How does all that play together? (Please feel free to point me at docs. No need for you to read docs to me!) | 10:58 |
| Yaniel | the apps marked with the android symbol are android apps | 10:59 |
| Yaniel | they probably won't run if you don't have android support installed | 10:59 |
| henk | tadzik: Not really, I did want to get started with that, but never got around to it. | 10:59 |
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| Yaniel | it's a bit surprising they even install | 10:59 |
| Nicd- | they will prompt you to install android support when you try to run them | 11:00 |
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| Acce | uhh.. better behaviour would be prompting before installing | 11:08 |
| Acce | is there already TJC post on that? | 11:08 |
| tadzik | or just silently installing it, like dependency resolution usually does :) | 11:10 |
| j-doge | tadzik: I'm pretty sure silent installation of android support would piss of some people :P | 11:10 |
| tadzik | well, they installed android apps, what did they expect :P | 11:10 |
| Joonaa | well, telling them that the app is an android app would be a good start | 11:11 |
| Joonaa | that small icon is pretty easy to miss | 11:11 |
| j-doge | looking at the comments of apps you can always tell an android app | 11:13 |
| tadzik | hm, perhaps | 11:13 |
| jarkko_ | cityoflights2: unfortunately no. https://together.jolla.com/question/298/feature-request-quick-search-in-mail-app/ | 11:13 |
| j-doge | always somebody complaining about android apps in their app store | 11:13 |
| tadzik | I see it immediately, must be my android allergy :P | 11:13 |
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| henk | Is there any way to tell which of the installed apps is android and which native sailfish? | 11:15 |
| tadzik | launch them and see if they have the android back button P: | 11:15 |
| cityoflights2 | jarkko_: wow, this is a major issue. I am running the upcoming beta release and this is missing. | 11:16 |
| henk | I have options regarding android in the settings->utilities for "restart android™" (translated from german), even though I don’t have any android support app installed. Does that make sense? | 11:16 |
| tadzik | yeah, they probably just don't do anything | 11:17 |
| henk | hrrm, ok … | 11:20 |
| henk | tadzik: oh: android back button? What is that exactly? | 11:21 |
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| Joonaa | looks like an U turn | 11:21 |
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| ggabriel | looks like a U turn having a nap :P | 11:21 |
| tadzik | henk: it's the relic of a physical back button that android used to have, nowadays it's a virtual button on-screen | 11:22 |
| Joonaa | such a touchscreen os, that android :^) | 11:22 |
| tadzik | all android phones have one, so jolla has one too :) | 11:22 |
| Yaniel | henk: well the button basically just execs "systemctl stop aliendalvik.service" or so | 11:23 |
| tadzik | when it pretends it's an android phnoe | 11:23 |
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| tadzik | Joonaa: yeah, we've come a long way from dedicated buttons that were impossible to press accidentally to those shiny new modern ones that take away your screen space :P | 11:24 |
| Teemu | any recommendations for a crypto library for really small memory-constrained embedded nodes? | 11:25 |
| Joonaa | i like to advertise sailfish as a true touchscreen os now | 11:25 |
| Yaniel | Teemu: is sodium small enough? | 11:25 |
| tadzik | Teemu: https://github.com/libtom/libtomcrypt perhaps? | 11:25 |
| Teemu | Yaniel: have to check, tadzik thx will check | 11:25 |
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| tadzik | Teemu: no first-hand experience with it, but the math library from the same team proved useful in a few projects | 11:26 |
| Teemu | memory-constrained in the sense that we'll have to fit an rtos, network stack, a crypto lib, and the application in tens of kB of flash if possible | 11:29 |
| henk | Joonaa, ggabriel, tadzik: heh, thanks for the explanations of the back-button (: | 11:29 |
| Teemu | having up to a meg could happen but i'd be pretty unhappy about that | 11:29 |
| henk | I was certain I installed an app with an android icon from the jolla store, but I seem unable to find an installed app with an android back-button. So I might be confused … Thanks for the help. | 11:30 |
| henk | Any way to shut up the unlock sound? | 11:33 |
| Mikaela | yes, it's system sounds in sound settings | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | henk: erm, not sure android applications can be installed without android support installed, at least they won't work | 11:34 |
| henk | Mikaela: Any way to shut up only the system sound without disabling system sounds one might want to hear, like battery warning e.g.? | 11:34 |
| Mikaela | oh, I am not sure about that | 11:34 |
| tadzik | I'm afraid knot :( | 11:34 |
| tadzik | well, you can be sneaky and rename certain files on the filesystem, like the lockscreen sound | 11:35 |
| tadzik | then they won't play, but the rest of them will | 11:35 |
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| Sail0r | hrhr http://thehackernews.com/2015/02/vulnerable-operating-system.html | 13:00 |
| Mikaela | are there any surprises? | 13:02 |
| Mikaela | oh, there are | 13:02 |
| pp | as if anyone sane would report windows 0-days in public when you can get several hundred k for one | 13:03 |
| Mikaela | they don't list anything on how speed which issues were fixed with and I don't think openssl or bash are part of Linux kernel | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | ok, there's a very obvious problem with that report | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | let's see who can spot it :) | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | and, sadly, i'll be defending mac os x here as well | 13:10 |
| CissWit | the other problem with the linux kernel is that it concerns all versions (3.X, 2.6.X) at the same time and all modules (kvm, xen, ...) and all arch (mips, arm, x86, etc). Windows would have a different product for all of this | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | CissWit: :D | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | same goes to mac os x | 13:11 |
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| ggabriel | for some reason, they split the versions of windows but they forgot to do that for mac os x or linux | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | so, add up all the vulns in all windows versions and compare again | 13:12 |
| CissWit | well, you acn't add windows vuln. Most of Windows vulns affect all versions | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | well, yeah, depends whether the code is shared or not | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | (from the fixing the vuln perspective at least) | 13:15 |
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| Sail0r | https://www.samba.org/samba/security/CVE-2015-0240 | 14:03 |
| tbr | as there is no samba in sailfish, there is no problem. :-) | 14:09 |
| SfietKonstantinW | tbr: no or not yet ? | 14:09 |
| tbr | SfietKonstantinW: won't ever, GPLv3 | 14:09 |
| ln- | interesting though that the vulnerability was found and fixed by Microsoft | 14:09 |
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| tbr | I have some ancient test build on OBS, which obviously will be vulnerable. | 14:10 |
| cityoflights2 | tbr: as I am new to sailfish, when is the next release due? | 14:11 |
| tbr | cityoflights2: ask jolla, not me | 14:11 |
| cityoflights2 | I just found out that the mail client has no search option | 14:11 |
| * tbr would recommend checking together.jolla.com | 14:12 | |
| cityoflights2 | yesterday I was told to try out rprofiled | 14:12 |
| cityoflights2 | where to get it from? how to add 3rd party apps to the sailfish? | 14:13 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: last week was early access started for next release, they said ~a week after that so end of this or next week I'd guess | 14:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | cityoflights2: you should also check the Jolla blog, where they announce what they plan to do | 14:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it seems that email search feature is really one feature people want and that is not worked on | 14:13 |
| cityoflights2 | thanks | 14:13 |
| cityoflights2 | also the browser search, without it, I can barly use the browser | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: well, the good news about samba is that it's downloadable .. | 14:14 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: and openrepos is what you are looking for, but be careful with what you activate and install, and better do not upgrade from CLI without double checking first | 14:14 |
| Nicd- | cityoflights2: browser search is in the next update | 14:15 |
| cityoflights2 | right, and I allready use it | 14:16 |
| Nicd- | ah | 14:16 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: sure, but given the aversity to GPLv3 it won't be integrated well. A community build + management UI could work ofc. | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | rsync is gplv3 too .. :) | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | (developer mode) | 14:17 |
| tbr | how much UI and system integration does that need though | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | probably not much | 14:17 |
| tbr | and yes, it's appreciated that it's not an outright ban | 14:18 |
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| * Stskeeps looks at his headphones and ponders about superglue | 14:20 | |
| lainwir3d | broken ? | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: nothing a bit of ducttape didn't solve.. | 14:41 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 14:41 |
| tadzik | I still have a laptop where I ducttaped the internals :P | 14:41 |
| tadzik | well, paintingtaped | 14:42 |
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| Sail0r | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises?ref=nav_search | 15:01 |
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| politie | damn, im not interested in watches but that color e paper screen looks really nice | 15:04 |
| tadzik | I think it's pretty useless though | 15:04 |
| tadzik | it looks really good though, agreed | 15:04 |
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| Nicd- | wonder what the catch with a color paper screen is | 15:06 |
| tbr | I wonder if the "e-paper" is the same scam as the last time | 15:06 |
| Nicd- | if it was awesome in every way then every smart watch would already have it | 15:06 |
| tbr | (they used a sharp ultra low power LCD for the b/w version IIRC) | 15:06 |
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| tadzik | yeah, that's what I've heard | 15:07 |
| Nicd- | so apparently it's just gonna be a color LCD and the trick is not updating the display often to keep it low powered | 15:11 |
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| paulvt | this shouldn't happen as a result of `pkcon update`, right? ... Fatal error: File './rpms/sailfish-utilities-all-translations-pack-0.0.1-10.2.1.jolla.noarch.rpm' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/SbJ/armv7hl/?version=1.1.2.15&credentials=store' | 15:45 |
| cityoflights2 | is Schturman here? | 15:46 |
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| tadzik | so, how's pebble support these days? Is there much you can't do that you couldn't with android phone? | 15:59 |
| RaYmAn | considering the new one? =P | 15:59 |
| tadzik | no, the old one :) | 15:59 |
| tadzik | I don't much care for a colored watch :P | 15:59 |
| cityoflights2 | I am seeking an app to chnage profile based on calender appointments | 16:00 |
| Mikaela | purple watch? | 16:00 |
| tadzik | but yeah, Time reminded me of my initial interest | 16:00 |
| tadzik | Mikaela: yeah, I just want a black watch :P | 16:00 |
| Mikaela | pink would be nice too | 16:00 |
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| locusf | tadzik: it works, you can install apps, receive your irssi, email and other messages, afaik everything you can with android | 16:02 |
| tadzik | soudns good | 16:02 |
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| Mikaela | oh, that sounds nice. Does it also support WeeChat or even ZNC? | 16:03 |
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| Mikaela | looks expensive | 16:05 |
| Sail0r | omg 2,25 million already for the new pebble | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | it's even crazier then the jolla tablet run | 16:06 |
| tiwake | pebble? | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | smartwatch | 16:06 |
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| Mikaela | coloured watch with irssi notifications | 16:07 |
| Sail0r | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises/description | 16:07 |
| Sail0r | it's totally sick | 16:07 |
| ikarus | wonder if it will be open enough to integrate with a Jolla phone, if so yes please | 16:07 |
| Sail0r | they are already integrated | 16:07 |
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| Sail0r | https://github.com/smokku/pebble | 16:07 |
| tiwake | meh, I don't want one | 16:08 |
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| ikarus | Sail0r: *drool* | 16:08 |
| Sail0r | :P | 16:09 |
| Sail0r | I have the pebble steel | 16:09 |
| Mikaela | no pink or purple, but that red looks nice too. I don't know though | 16:09 |
| Sail0r | so I don't need a new one *convience myself* | 16:09 |
| tiwake | purple would be good | 16:09 |
| tiwake | but I don't wear watches | 16:09 |
| Mikaela | I should probavly wear one and if they invented smart bracelet... | 16:10 |
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| ggabriel | watches are so old school. the latest is smart bandana | 16:10 |
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| * Nightmare__ is waiting for smart buttplugs, they would be a lot more discrete :D | 16:12 | |
| jaacoppi | smart underwear - smarterwear | 16:12 |
| tiwake | a smart katana | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | you can't walk about with those in some countries, sadly | 16:12 |
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| tiwake | with a new practice mode, so you don't kill your sparring partner | 16:13 |
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| gena2x | Never been in this chat, but as I visited freenode - wanted to say - huge respect to Jolla devs! I've never seen a product which were improved so much after release. All most annoying things were fixed - and even unexpected improvements were made. THANK YOU. If anyone from devs here =) | 16:14 |
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| ikarus | Right, I think I might not be able to say no to that pebble | 16:14 |
| ikarus | Mikaela: yes, also it is compatible with all the existing bezzels, so you can get pink ones | 16:14 |
| Mikaela | yes, they are hiding here somewhere | 16:14 |
| ikarus | Mikaela: and I wanted a smart bracelet aswell, but the ones that exist are all fitness oriented and not even remotely open | 16:14 |
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| Mikaela | hmm, but still expensive | 16:15 |
| Mikaela | :( | 16:15 |
| tiwake | gena2x: stick around, we are talking about smart watches, smart katanas and smart underware | 16:15 |
| ikarus | Mikaela: the Pebble ? only kind of | 16:15 |
| gena2x | smart katana? hm? what could be purpose of this? | 16:16 |
| Mikaela | I must get my head more clear and get rid of one headache before considering | 16:16 |
| ikarus | I might get the white one, the red one doesn't fit with all my clothing I guess | 16:16 |
| Mikaela | red fits with everything <3 | 16:17 |
| tiwake | gena2x: kill count, practice mode... | 16:17 |
| tiwake | and what is in season | 16:17 |
| tiwake | maybe a kitchen mode | 16:17 |
| tiwake | lol | 16:18 |
| ikarus | Mikaela: I am not 100% sure on that, black does, but it's so dark on my skin | 16:18 |
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| Mikaela | :( | 16:19 |
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| ikarus | But the red is a nice dark red and I guess I could wear it with a black or grey band | 16:19 |
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| ikarus | I guess the red one, yeah, splash of colour and all that | 16:23 |
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| ikarus | atleast with a different band colour | 16:23 |
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| ikarus | Mikaela: I committed to atleast one, guess I'll be mailed on which colour later, so I can delay that | 16:46 |
| ikarus | also friend of mine just offered to order a stack of watch bands for me for it :) | 16:47 |
| Mikaela | I see | 16:47 |
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| msvb-lab | Stskeeps: You going to be at MWC again this year? | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | msvb-lab: yes | 17:00 |
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| msvb-lab | Stskeeps: Excellent, then I'll see you. I'm hanging out at certain times at the Intel App Planet Hall 8.1. | 17:02 |
| msvb-lab | Showcase some IoT and Android stuff. | 17:02 |
| msvb-lab | Stskeeps: In case you have time on Thursday, the professor I've told you about will be in town. | 17:02 |
| msvb-lab | If you've been thinking about the academic stuff I mentioned, then we could grab a beer and figure it out? | 17:03 |
| meklu|fdf | today is the day MK stopped working for me | 17:03 |
| japa-fi | trying jollagram, but it just keeps on "connecting" at registration screen. It has died once and this is where it's stuck now after restart of the application. | 17:04 |
| japa-fi | Anyone with same experiences?= | 17:04 |
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| japa-fi | Ah, another restart helped | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | msvb-lab: it's been all mwc panic since december | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:06 |
| msvb-lab | Stskeeps: I know. The meeting on Thursday is a long shot, but just want you to know that we'll all be in the same place and it would be a chance to say hello. | 17:07 |
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| msvb-lab | Stskeeps: I'm not forgetting Sailfish in the University, don't want to do the sessions without your tech on board. | 17:08 |
| msvb-lab | ...so whenever you have time let's figure out at least a rough draft (if it's of interest to you as well.) | 17:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | It's a bit like if jolla is spending 3 month on MWC, 3 others on Slush, and maybe some more on events like FOSDEM & co | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantinW: just wait until we're doing CES too.. | 17:11 |
| msvb-lab | SfietKonstantinW Stskeeps: That's fine, I don't think engineers need to code anymore, since Sailfish is already perfect right? They can just travel around and promote. | 17:12 |
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| Stskeeps | msvb-lab: bwhahaha | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | msvb-lab: meh | 17:16 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | SfietKonstantinW, sometimes this event are more tough of togheter users | 17:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | nowadays bloggers earn more then devs | 17:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | dr_gogeta86: what do you mean ? | 17:19 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yeah it is the biggest event ever | 17:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I see mwc as "be there or be square" | 17:19 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | SfietKonstantinW, btw i got some problems with bluetooth | 17:20 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, blueZ 5.0 on tablet ? | 17:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | or not | 17:25 |
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| coderus | Application for adding sound (IM category), LED and icon on lockscreen for android notifications | 17:43 |
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| coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/android-notifications | 17:43 |
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| raa700 | WHEEEE | 17:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | hey coderus, what was the symptoms of being banned from whatsapp with mitakuuluu? | 17:53 |
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| Morpog_PC | awesome coderus! | 18:07 |
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| jaacoppi | we salute you | 18:10 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: need to check log, this is the only way for mitakuuluu. | 18:11 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: but more likely protocol is outdated | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | is coming up with a 'signing in failed' message | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | is possible that the protocols been updated i guess | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | the effect for me is the same | 18:13 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: send logs to me | 18:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | coderus: you sure? i know you decided not to support mitakuuluu anymore | 18:21 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: it depends if you want to get an answer or not about your problem | 18:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol | 18:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | definite bannage or protocol change, server is rejecting the logon | 18:36 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: check your dconf /apps/harbour-mitakuuluu2/account/expiration | 18:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | seems to be ok | 18:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i assume its just a unix timestamp? | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | if so, expiry set to 17/8/2015 | 18:41 |
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| Sebsebsebb | Hi | 20:19 |
| Sebsebsebb | Anyone around | 20:20 |
| coderus | Sebsebsebb: a lot | 20:22 |
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| Sailor4188 | Hi. I've seen an application on screen shots of other Jollas, a circle with a propeller. Any one know what it is? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | components gallery? | 20:37 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | i guess that shows when you are using sdk emulator or whatever it is | 20:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | or you've installed it from the sdk | 20:50 |
| Sailor4188 | Got it! Thanks! | 20:55 |
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| tiwake | how is the next revision of sailfishOS going for the tablet release? | 23:48 |
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