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| coderus | nazanin: pong? | 13:01 |
| Joonaa | damn, thats a lot of latency! | 13:03 |
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| tadzik | you thought IP over avian carriers is a joke? :) | 13:06 |
| Edelwin | :') | 13:07 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 13:07 |
| Joonaa | i thought that was the last resort :) | 13:07 |
| tadzik | last to arrive, for sure :P | 13:08 |
| Joonaa | well, there's always satellite... | 13:08 |
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| nazanin | coderus: problem solved :P | 13:52 |
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| coderus | nazanin: cool, sorry i just woke up :D | 13:54 |
| nazanin | coderus: no prob :) | 13:54 |
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| uuhimhere | hi guys how much is a jolla | 14:24 |
| tadzik | 200€ recently | 14:25 |
| tadzik | in europe, that is | 14:25 |
| tadzik | I believe india/china has it cheaper | 14:25 |
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| politie | its 249 again | 14:26 |
| uuhimhere | are they different in spec | 14:27 |
| tadzik | ah | 14:27 |
| tadzik | no, they're the same device | 14:27 |
| Joonaa | man, i wish the other halfs werent so expensive | 14:29 |
| uuhimhere | what are they | 14:29 |
| Joonaa | 29eur | 14:29 |
| Joonaa | oh, and out of stock, of course | 14:29 |
| politie | cant you just let it 3d print somewhere | 14:29 |
| Joonaa | i guess... its not the same color and quality though | 14:30 |
| politie | thats true | 14:30 |
| Joonaa | i need to ask my teacher what colors he had | 14:30 |
| tadzik | I guess I'd be okay with paying 30 $local-currency for them :P | 14:30 |
| politie | where are you from | 14:30 |
| uuhimhere | is there an other half thats a slide out keyboard? | 14:30 |
| politie | yea | 14:31 |
| politie | well its pre order able | 14:31 |
| politie | 130 euro | 14:31 |
| Joonaa | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 14:31 |
| uuhimhere | link plz? | 14:31 |
| uuhimhere | thnx | 14:31 |
| politie | http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/TOHKBD2-PRE-ORDER/p/42141285/category=9141090 | 14:31 |
| Joonaa | politie has a better one | 14:32 |
| uuhimhere | i wokda se4n that if i had a damn keyboard lol | 14:32 |
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| politie | wodka | 14:34 |
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| cb400f | nice... I kinda got the expression that TOHKBD would only be made for the kickstarter pledgers (which includes me of course) | 14:34 |
| cb400f | impression | 14:34 |
| politie | `im glad it isnt | 14:34 |
| politie | :D | 14:34 |
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| kro | Joonaa: which TOH are you looking for? | 14:35 |
| uuhimhere | images-cdn.ecwid.com/images/4536014/253709703.jpg | 14:35 |
| cb400f | yup, that is awesome... cuz when people start walking around with TOHKBD's in public, people will finally get how cool Jolla and TOH is | 14:35 |
| uuhimhere | wow | 14:35 |
| Joonaa | kro i thought the pink and green one looked nice | 14:36 |
| Nicd- | cb400f: it'll probably only be sold while supplies last though | 14:36 |
| uuhimhere | is that backlit | 14:36 |
| Joonaa | cb400f i imagine you kickstarted the production and get the first ones ;) | 14:36 |
| kro | Joonaa: i'm currently waiting for my jolla I ordered 2 weeks ago... should come with 3 TOHs, will definitely resell the pink one (maybe the limeor white as well, 1 should be enough) once I get the phone... | 14:37 |
| Nicd- | uuhimhere: it will have backlight | 14:37 |
| uuhimhere | well would it be too hard to make third party keyboards or is it a closed spec | 14:37 |
| Joonaa | kro where are you from? | 14:37 |
| kro | Joonaa: Germany | 14:37 |
| flux | uuhimhere, this is actually a third party keyboard | 14:37 |
| Nicd- | uuhimhere: TOHKBD is a third party keyboard | 14:37 |
| Nicd- | it's not made by jolla | 14:37 |
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| Joonaa | kro: what kind of shipping cost would it be to finland? | 14:38 |
| uuhimhere | then why is it in limited numb4ts | 14:38 |
| Nicd- | because production is expensive | 14:38 |
| Nicd- | especially for such a niche product | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | resources are limited | 14:38 |
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| politie | pfew | 14:38 |
| politie | might have to order one quickly i hear | 14:38 |
| kro | Joonaa: don't know for sure... probably about 3-5 EUR, depending if sent as letter (uninsured) or package (with tracking and insurance) | 14:39 |
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| uuhimhere | well get the chinese 6o make it... | 14:39 |
| Joonaa | kro: well, depending on the price, let me know when you get the phone :) | 14:39 |
| kro | Joonaa: noted | 14:39 |
| Nicd- | uuhimhere: it's too expensive. but if you want to discuss the keyboard project, join #jollatohkbd | 14:39 |
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| politie | rather see a DIY released | 14:39 |
| Joonaa | uuhimhere: thats not cheaper unless you order in huge quantities | 14:40 |
| flux | uuhimhere, actually the drawings and source code of even this product are in the open (..or if not, they will be), so maybe some chinese folk will help themselves ;-) - though not likely, as as said, this is a niche product | 14:40 |
| flux | "only" 1200 backers. the real number of people this could be sold to could be somewhat higher, though. | 14:41 |
| Joonaa | well, if it was cheaper... | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | if it was cheaper, it wouldn't be possible :P | 14:42 |
| Joonaa | although i would probably be more interested in a bit larger keyboard the plugs to the usb port :P | 14:42 |
| Joonaa | true | 14:42 |
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| uuhimhere | flux: probabaly wait till more people try oit sai;fish os first | 14:42 |
| cb400f | I guess when Jolla 2 comes around, much of the groundwork will be covered, to make tens of thousands of TOHKBD's for that one too ;-) | 14:44 |
| uuhimhere | Joonaa: is the usb on the short side or long side of the jolla | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | (if it has a TOH thing at all) | 14:44 |
| kro | actually, is it possible to connect a Bluetooth keyboard? | 14:44 |
| Joonaa | uuhimhere: at the top, its the charging port (miniusb or something) | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | kro: yes | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | Joonaa: microusb | 14:44 |
| kro | yay | 14:44 |
| uuhimhere | jo9 | 14:45 |
| Joonaa | Nicd- thanks :) | 14:45 |
| politie | e-ink other half seems really cool too | 14:45 |
| Joonaa | i like my android tablet, it has a full size usb port... so i can use a mouse with it :) | 14:45 |
| uuhimhere | Joonaa: so atbthe top meaning the width of the device... tjats going to be a design vhallenge mechanically for a usb attachmeny that isntba cable | 14:46 |
| Nicd- | well jolla doesn't have usb host mode so there's not much sense to connect anything there | 14:46 |
| Nicd- | except a charging cable | 14:46 |
| Joonaa | huh, really? that sucks | 14:47 |
| Nicd- | the tablet will have otg but jolla doesn't | 14:47 |
| Joonaa | hardware limitation? | 14:47 |
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| Nicd- | last I heard it could be possible hardware wise but the kernel was resisting | 14:47 |
| uuhimhere | cant be | 14:47 |
| uuhimhere | most socs siport otg | 14:48 |
| uuhimhere | so its a matter of building a custom kernel? | 14:48 |
| Joonaa | that'll be easy :) | 14:49 |
| uuhimhere | yeah | 14:50 |
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| Nicd- | Joonaa, uuhimhere: https://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/?answer=257#post-id-257 | 14:52 |
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| Joonaa | ouch | 14:53 |
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| uuhimhere | i thought usb host == otg | 14:55 |
| politie | Nicd- was it you who was making a weechat relay sailfish app? | 14:57 |
| Nicd- | yes | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | I haven't touched it in a while | 14:58 |
| politie | ah ok, does it work though? | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | the currently downloadable version can crash your weechat | 14:59 |
| Nicd- | I have a fixed version on my laptop but haven't pushed it anywhere yet | 14:59 |
| politie | ah i see | 14:59 |
| anYc | uuhimhere: I read that otg enables automatic detection of usb host/slave role | 15:00 |
| politie | i just ordered a jolla and been using weechat-android on my current phone was hoping to get something on the jolla | 15:00 |
| Nicd- | I should really get back to it | 15:01 |
| politie | maybe i can help develop, sailfish apps are c++ qt right? | 15:01 |
| tadzik | can be | 15:02 |
| Nicd- | currently chatting on my phone annoys me too, but the cognitive friction in getting back to it is hard to overcome. especially with the qml side being kind of a mess | 15:02 |
| tadzik | can be JS, can by python | 15:02 |
| Nicd- | politie: it's C++/Qt/QML | 15:02 |
| Nicd- | most of it is QML and JavaScript | 15:02 |
| Nicd- | but the relay protocol is in C++ | 15:02 |
| politie | ah allright | 15:03 |
| Nicd- | politie: I can give you more info if you'd like to help. :) | 15:03 |
| Nicd- | guess I should get my pending changes pushed before that though | 15:03 |
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| politie | sounds cool, jolla seems like a fun device to play around with | 15:05 |
| Nicd- | can I query you? | 15:05 |
| politie | ofcourse | 15:05 |
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| * cb400f concludes he is pleased with HERE android app after 5 minutes of playing around | 15:08 | |
| Nicd- | did you get it from google play? | 15:09 |
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| cb400f | 1MobileMarket | 15:09 |
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| cb400f | don't have google play installed ... occassionally get some things via the evozi apk downloader though | 15:11 |
| tadzik | it's nice, but quite often I find myself having to launch the jolla maps app for here to be able to keep track of me | 15:12 |
| tadzik | also, this stupid "compas needs adjusting" | 15:12 |
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| cb400f | there's an issue with the compas on Nokia Here android app on Jolla? | 15:13 |
| cb400f | only played around with a bit sitting here at my desk | 15:13 |
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| politie | HERE doesnt have offline maps on the jolla right? | 15:15 |
| cb400f | not the native app... but the just released android app does | 15:15 |
| cb400f | and it seems to work fine on the Jolla (from 5 minutes of fiddling around) | 15:16 |
| politie | theres a native HERE ? didnt know that | 15:16 |
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| Bysmyyr | politie: that maps program is based on here | 15:17 |
| cb400f | until now I've used OsmAnd~ which has served me fine also | 15:17 |
| politie | ah ok | 15:17 |
| cb400f | but the native one doesn't have voice or offline | 15:17 |
| cb400f | or even automatic route "re-calculation" | 15:18 |
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| tadzik | or following you and showing the latest turns | 15:20 |
| politie | so the android one is good | 15:21 |
| Scelt | Aard: horny badger? | 15:22 |
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| Aard | Scelt: / | 15:37 |
| Aard | ? | 15:37 |
| Shinryuu | ??? | 15:37 |
| Scelt | Aard: looking for our early badger edition | 15:37 |
| Edelwin | ¿ | 15:37 |
| Scelt | update | 15:37 |
| Aard | getting close | 15:38 |
| tadzik | horny badger... is that what these names mean in finnish? :D | 15:38 |
| Scelt | Aard: kewl! | 15:38 |
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| Scelt | tadzik: we agreed with Aard that if they fail to deliver early bird update last week, I'd call him a stud or a badger. He chose "honey badger". I just added some spice to it | 15:40 |
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| tadzik | ah, I see :) | 15:40 |
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| j-doge | Scelt: I'd like to point out that Aard's a honey badger, we have a ye olde regular badger also in the company | 15:46 |
| j-doge | so try not to mix things up too much | 15:46 |
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| Scelt | j-doge: which one would you address as a "horny badger"? | 15:47 |
| Scelt | or is it a title not yet given to anyone | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | horny badger = next android version? | 15:48 |
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| j-doge | haven't heard of such titles | 15:48 |
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| j-doge | getting to the badger territory is no small feat | 15:48 |
| Scelt | j-doge: missed the last little christmas (pikkujoulut)? I guess that's where the horny badgers come out from their caves | 15:48 |
| j-doge | I was there, if there were horny badgers they hid in their caves | 15:49 |
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| Scelt | damn. more booze, I'd say | 15:50 |
| j-doge | I have to say I was kinda disappointed in the overall alcohol consumption | 15:51 |
| j-doge | although there were a couple positive appearances | 15:51 |
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| Joonaa | where do i find repos for the existing media players? | 16:00 |
| tadzik | https://github.com/djselbeck/daedalus-sailfish/ is one | 16:01 |
| Joonaa | cheers | 16:02 |
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| tiwake | oh hey, systemd is making their own EFI bootloader called gummiboot | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | not really making | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's preexisting | 16:08 |
| tiwake | fixing up? raising from the dead? or just adding development and manpower? | 16:08 |
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| tiwake | or maybe all three | 16:09 |
| locusf | I've just been looking at gummiboot | 16:09 |
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| locusf | ie. using it | 16:10 |
| tiwake | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-SD-Boot-EFI-Boot | 16:12 |
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| Teme | something quite weird happened to my jolla right now.. the main UI won't "snap" between the different screens, it just stays where i scroll it :D | 16:17 |
| dunp | tiwake, can it signing UEFI binaries? | 16:17 |
| Teme | and after a few sweeps it freezes.. locking the screen and unlocking resumes the described behavior | 16:18 |
| tiwake | dunp: I have no idea... didnt know gummiboot existed until 1/2 hour ago | 16:18 |
| Teme | and now after a few tries it just stays frozen after unlock :( | 16:18 |
| Teme | possibly a bug with the new double-tap-to-go-to-apps-screen | 16:19 |
| dunp | ueffi can start direct from kernel if signed | 16:19 |
| dunp | http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/uefi-secure-boot/ | 16:19 |
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| Stskeeps | http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.03182 - fun | 17:38 |
| faenil | nice stuff | 17:39 |
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| flux | hmph, somewhat annoying that there are loads of wireless gizmos coming with android support, but they cannot be used with jolla, even if one could get the app running without appstore. | 17:42 |
| flux | I wonder, is AlienDalvik/Jolla ever going to support BT/BLE? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, help find a good mapping from android bluetooth api to bluez.. | 17:43 |
| flux | aren't there actual android phones that use bluez? | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | not so much anymore | 17:43 |
| flux | regardless, the API has stayed mostly the same | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | point | 17:43 |
| flux | ..though BLE was added to it | 17:43 |
| flux | but I don't think the BLE interface should be troublesome | 17:44 |
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| flux | is it even possible for someone not working at Jolla possible to make that? Given it would need to interact with the licensed AlienDalvik somehow.. | 17:46 |
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| javispedro | here I come, everytime someone mentions BLE! | 17:47 |
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| flux | ble is cool! | 17:47 |
| faenil | ahaha | 17:48 |
| javispedro | nobody expects the spanish inquisition! | 17:48 |
| javispedro | our main weapons are low power, compatibility and low power. | 17:49 |
| javispedro | (and an almost fanatical hatred of android ;P ) | 17:49 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: arent we missing things for BLE with native sailfish apps? let alone android mappings | 17:52 |
| r0kk3rz | like bluez5 | 17:52 |
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| javispedro | come to think of it, I ponder if the bluez android API can be used simultaneous to normal bluez | 17:57 |
| javispedro | maybe it would actually be useful since I suppose myriad would then only need to write a minor stub | 17:58 |
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