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| falfa | I have the same problem | 00:12 |
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| falfa | but on other public wifi spots | 00:12 |
| falfa | crappy html i guess | 00:13 |
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| tigeli | Mikaela: falfa: fennekki: I've already fixed that problem and it will be part of u11 | 01:18 |
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| fennekki | :O neat | 01:24 |
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| sqozz | hi all, i'm trying to compile the "new" sailfish-browser but the package requires "jolla-ambient"… is there some source of this package or is it one of the closed source packages? | 02:04 |
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| pdanek | Is Arch Linux still as good as it was before? | 03:01 |
| Yaniel | it's awesome | 03:01 |
| Yaniel | if you are into that kind of thing | 03:01 |
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| pdanek | What is "that kind of thing"? | 03:02 |
| sqozz | pdanek: and if you have no problem with the deep systemd integration | 03:02 |
| sqozz | i think the "kind of thing" Yaniel means is a rolling relase distribution | 03:03 |
| fennekki | pdanek: depends on when "before" was | 03:03 |
| sqozz | release* | 03:03 |
| pdanek | I tried Arch maybe 5 years ago. | 03:05 |
| pdanek | It was OK. | 03:05 |
| pdanek | But I'm not sure if I'm still into it, I tend to use things which work out of the box lately. | 03:06 |
| pdanek | I used RHEL on laptop for some time, it was stable, worked fine, but SW is archaic. | 03:06 |
| sqozz | then arch is maybe not the right distribution for you… | 03:07 |
| pdanek | And Fedora has new SW, but it breaks often. | 03:07 |
| sqozz | sometimes you just need to spend time on fixing some things… | 03:07 |
| pdanek | OpenSUSE may be good combination of stability and modern OS I guess. | 03:07 |
| cryorat | pdanek, often is not a word which describe it completely | 03:07 |
| Yaniel | I once spent a nice saturday throwing out rEFInd in favour of gummiboot so it would boot again in the first place | 03:08 |
| Yaniel | but eh, totally worth the experience for me | 03:08 |
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| pdanek | I always had issues with Fedora. | 03:09 |
| pdanek | While RHEL was just running ages for me. | 03:09 |
| pdanek | On laptop. | 03:09 |
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| sqozz | fedora is the playground for redhat and RHEL is simply stable as hell | 03:11 |
| sqozz | much like debian or centos | 03:11 |
| pdanek | That's why I'm considering OpenSUSE | 03:12 |
| cryorat | pdanek, bloatware as i see | 03:14 |
| cryorat | im now stuck with fedora, i use sddm instead gdm, because of random logouts, freezes etc | 03:15 |
| cryorat | when i have some time ill try to fix my arch | 03:16 |
| cryorat | i dont know where it did break | 03:17 |
| pdanek | Why bloatware. | 03:18 |
| cryorat | did you brough a laptop with preinstalled windows? | 03:20 |
| pdanek | cryorat: yes, that's usually full of bloatware | 03:21 |
| pdanek | What does it have to do with OpenSUSE? | 03:21 |
| cryorat | if you want the feeling go on and install it :) | 03:21 |
| cryorat | lot of unuseful stuff preinstalled | 03:22 |
| pdanek | I don't think it's true with latest version. | 03:23 |
| pdanek | I did in virtual box so far and it was just fine. | 03:23 |
| cryorat | its integrates nicely btw, its very consistent and robust | 03:23 |
| cryorat | but i dont like that preinstall every fscking software ideology | 03:23 |
| cryorat | im not into that | 03:23 |
| pdanek | right | 03:24 |
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| Mikaela | fennekki: I won't get deauthenticated, I think that Jolla thinks that I do get deauthenticated and tries to go somewhere probably login page and if I close the web browser it will return back soon | 08:39 |
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| Mikaela | tigeli_: when will u11 be released? | 08:40 |
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| tiwake | dododo | 08:43 |
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| gexc-phone | it could be stay tuned™ | 08:48 |
| Mikaela | is stay tuned™ relative to soon™? | 08:49 |
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| Teemu | any day now | 08:51 |
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| tigeli_ | Mikaela: real soon now (tm) ;) | 08:52 |
| gexc-phone | lol | 08:52 |
| Mikaela | at least it's closer than #freenode-gms :( | 08:52 |
| Teemu | what's that then? | 08:55 |
| Mikaela | freenode's group management system and they won't allow new projects be registered until that is done. the main thing why people want it is the ability to give new project cloaks | 08:56 |
| Mikaela | https://freenode.net/gms.shtml | 08:56 |
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| Teemu | headhurt | 08:59 |
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| Mikaela | and it seems that my other issue was also duplicate https://together.jolla.com/question/78885/idea-independent-system-sound-level-adjustment/ | 09:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | you should be able to do that with pulseaudio | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | how? not sure | 09:26 |
| Mikaela | that is said on the issue too | 09:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Configuring_Sound_on_Linux/Pulse_Audio/Testing | 09:42 |
| r0kk3rz | that looks like it might be helpful | 09:42 |
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| tiwake | is 150mAh bigger battery going to be noticeable? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's say that standby on 3g can be something like 3,8mA | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | then that's 39 hours more on standby on 3g | 09:59 |
| tiwake | a wireless card might use what... 100mA? 75mA? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | it depends on what it's doing | 10:01 |
| tiwake | thats what the radio is typically using I thought | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | in standby? naah | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | PSM helps a lot there / WMM | 10:02 |
| tiwake | what is that? | 10:02 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: its probably going to be negligible, but 150mah more is better than 150mah less | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | technology to power save on wifi | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | while idle | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | idle wlan + 3g can be something like 6mA | 10:03 |
| tiwake | hmm | 10:03 |
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| tiwake | and its not exactly clear to me... are both the 32gig and 64gig tablets going to have the 4450mAh battery? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | worth asking | 10:04 |
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| tadzik | heh, much activity on https://together.jolla.com/question/53124/option-to-disable-the-select-internet-connection-popup/ | 10:05 |
| tadzik | it annoyed me so much coming back from fosdem to hotel yesterday, seems like not only me :o | 10:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | its more annoying when you've deliberately disabled your data connection because you dont want the app to connect | 10:11 |
| tadzik | yeah, "let me go into my map app..." and a popup pops up and makes you enable your mobile data accidentally, charging you crazy amount | 10:12 |
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| tigeli_ | tadzik: wait for the next update, it will ease up | 10:31 |
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| tadzik | good to hear, thanks :) | 10:32 |
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| Mikaela | I don't think I understand these updates. Everyo ne is talking about update 11 while the current version is 1.1.1.27. Is there some other version hidden somewhere? | 10:47 |
| tadzik | yeah, that bothers me a bit too | 10:47 |
| tadzik | there is no mapping from /u\d{2}/ format to the official version format, no other than "everybody talks like that" :P | 10:48 |
| tadzik | 1.1.1.27 is the 11th update, so people call it u11 | 10:48 |
| Mikaela | catting "/etc/*-release" gives all kinds of numbers too, but none is 10 | 10:49 |
| tadzik | I haven't found any other way than "always remember what update you're on" :P | 10:49 |
| tbr | tadzik: make a wikipedia page listing the versions so far, watch how it autoupdates itself 5min after jolla announces next update ;) | 10:49 |
| tadzik | you know what? There sohuld be an app for that :P | 10:50 |
| tadzik | or a settings plugin | 10:50 |
| Mikaela | so I am running u11 which has fixed the captive portal bug that I am having with u11? | 10:50 |
| tadzik | "you are now on u11 and don't ask me how I know" | 10:50 |
| Mikaela | and u11 is coming "really soon now™" | 10:50 |
| Mikaela | difficult :( | 10:50 |
| Mikaela | http://sprunge.us/SVMK | 10:51 |
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| tigeli_ | tadzik: 1.1.1.27 is u10 | 10:54 |
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| tadzik | tigeli: yeah, thing is, the only source of this knowledge is this IRC channel :) | 10:55 |
| tigeli | :) | 10:55 |
| tadzik | or reading and counting release notes :) | 10:55 |
| tigeli | well, we use those uXX's internally.. | 10:55 |
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| tadzik | then perhaps the Saifish OS Updates thingy in settings could say that too? | 10:56 |
| tigeli | maybe. :) | 10:56 |
| tadzik | like "Version 1.1.1.27 (u10)" | 10:56 |
| tadzik | that'd be nice :) | 10:56 |
| tigeli | you suggest it on together :) | 10:56 |
| tadzik | okay | 10:56 |
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| Mikaela | +1, please link me to together thread and I will vote it | 10:59 |
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| tadzik | https://together.jolla.com/question/79351/add-uxx-numbering-scheme-to-sailfishos-version-in-settings/ there it is | 11:10 |
| Mikaela | Thanks :) | 11:11 |
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| mornfall | oh, update, is there going to be an update or what? :-P | 11:16 |
| mornfall | I wouldn't mind workable carddav... | 11:17 |
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| tadzik | shhh, they delay it one day every time you ask :P | 11:17 |
| mornfall | tadzik: nah, they delay it a week every time you publish a CVE against one of the core packages :P | 11:18 |
| tadzik | hehe, that too | 11:18 |
| * Stskeeps enters new toolchian | 11:19 | |
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| r0kk3rz | interesting to see what form the security patches come in post u11 | 11:36 |
| Sail0r | link? | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | no link, just something aard was talking about here | 11:36 |
| aard_ | r0kk3rz: same as before, you'll see a new update. just the way we get there changed | 11:37 |
| Sail0r | ah ok | 11:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | oh right | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | all the magic behind the scenes | 11:43 |
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| mornfall | Stskeepz: what new toolchain? | 11:50 |
| Stskeepz | mornfall: gcc4.8 | 11:50 |
| mornfall | boring :-) | 11:50 |
| mornfall | what about clang 3.5? | 11:50 |
| Stskeepz | if you can build entire distro with it | 11:50 |
| Stskeepz | :P | 11:50 |
| mornfall | does freebsd count? :P | 11:50 |
| mornfall | my box is all clang-3.5-built | 11:50 |
| svuorela | Stskeepz: openmandriva has a talk about it. | 11:50 |
| Stskeepz | oh interesting | 11:51 |
| mornfall | linux kernel is a problem though | 11:51 |
| svuorela | or maybe it was yesterday. | 11:51 |
| mornfall | but hey, gcc 4.8 has almost-working C++11 ;-) | 11:51 |
| mornfall | that's progress | 11:52 |
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| mornfall | (certainly a lot more working that 4.7 had) | 11:52 |
| Mikaela | I have been lately using clang for everything and only unset CC and CXX when I haven't been able to compile something with it (ZNC 1.5 in Debian Stable, too old clang) | 11:52 |
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| mornfall | Mikaela: my znc is built with clang 3.4 | 11:53 |
| mornfall | but yeah, debian stable | 11:53 |
| mornfall | that's gcc 4.7 era | 11:53 |
| Mikaela | mornfall: which znc? 1.5 started requiring was it that C++11 and doesn't compile | 11:53 |
| mornfall | Mikaela: 4f48bff6a4bd3871ce2d781286856eb9d9b7b6d8 | 11:54 |
| mornfall | about 6 weeks old | 11:54 |
| Mikaela | I see | 11:54 |
| Mikaela | Your clang probably isn't directly from Debian Stable repositories+ | 11:55 |
| mornfall | also, clang + libstdc++ is not the best combo ever | 11:55 |
| mornfall | Mikaela: no, it's from freebsd 10.1 base :-) | 11:55 |
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| Mikaela | … | 11:55 |
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| Mikaela | Debian clang version 3.0-6.2 (tags/RELEASE_30/final) (based on LLVM 3.0) | 11:56 |
| mornfall | ouch | 11:56 |
| Mikaela | is from Debian Stable | 11:56 |
| mornfall | don't they at least have 3.1 as an extra package? that could have maybe made it... | 11:56 |
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| mornfall | or is only gcc versioned that way? | 11:56 |
| * mornfall can't remember | 11:56 | |
| Mikaela | I don't see anything and I am not root | 11:57 |
| Mikaela | % apt-cache search clang|sprungeus | 11:57 |
| Mikaela | http://sprunge.us/hGZX | 11:57 |
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| svuorela | Stskeepz: it is apparantly in the llvw room in 20 minutes | 11:57 |
| mornfall | Mikaela: indeed, llvm 3.1 but not clang to go with it | 11:58 |
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| mornfall | unless znc does some quite fancy stuff, 3.1 would be probably enough | 11:59 |
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| Mikaela | I think znc does some quite fancy stuff as http://paste.progval.net/show/1256/ | 12:00 |
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| Tegu | (the same goes to any device/stuff) | 16:20 |
| Tegu | oh, wrong window | 16:20 |
| attah | I'm playing with the adb in alien dalvik.. and i have the problem that input segfaults no matter what i throw at it :( | 16:21 |
| Teemu | anybody use graphviz for anything or are all using visio/omnigraffle/inkscape? | 16:23 |
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| Teemu | mornfall: how many freebsdians lurk on the channel? | 16:29 |
| mornfall | Teemu: how would I know? | 16:30 |
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| Teemu | dunno, from the surface it looks like you're one | 16:31 |
| mornfall | maybe :) | 16:31 |
| mornfall | but freebsd isn't a secret society | 16:31 |
| fennekki | it isn't? | 16:31 |
| fennekki | Are you sure | 16:31 |
| mornfall | well, if it is, I was definitely left out | 16:32 |
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| tiwake | Teemu: you making graphics or something? an animation? | 16:33 |
| Teemu | tiwake: i'm a software nerd wanting to describe architectural diagrams | 16:33 |
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| Teemu | oh | 16:33 |
| Teemu | i'm an electrician by trained trade | 16:33 |
| Teemu | went to school for that | 16:33 |
| tiwake | Teemu: erm, I mean in relation to your question about inkscape or whatever | 16:34 |
| Teemu | last february i decided it's time to support myself on open source and dedicate my time to ell-i open source cooperative | 16:34 |
| tiwake | I use inkscape a fair amount for hobby art | 16:34 |
| Teemu | related to that q | 16:34 |
| tiwake | never heard of the other things | 16:35 |
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| mornfall | Teemu: (btw. I use graphviz... :) | 16:37 |
| Teemu | i've tried to use inkscape but it seems a bit too handworky | 16:37 |
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| Teemu | i'd wish there was some way to describe a graph in text and then by magick be able to do the graphical adjustments in some wysiwyg tool | 16:37 |
| Teemu | mornfall: in open source software context? | 16:39 |
| mornfall | Teemu: http://divine.fi.muni.cz/try.cgi :-) | 16:39 |
| Teemu | https://github.com/temmihoo/just-like-star-trek <-- has some ideas i'd want to graph out and all graphical tools seem very slow in the initial phase when i'm just creating and naming elements and their relationships | 16:40 |
| Teemu | mornfall: oh cool | 16:41 |
| mornfall | for laying out things, I have taken on to metapost recently... but the entry barrier is a bit high | 16:41 |
| Teemu | first google hit indicates entry curve much like that of vi | 16:43 |
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| mornfall | possibly a bit higher, depending on your usecase | 16:44 |
| Teemu | then again, after learning vi i've just shortly tried other editors and always come back to vi | 16:46 |
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| fennekki | vim | 16:46 |
| fennekki | is better | 16:46 |
| fennekki | neovim is going to be better I hope | 16:46 |
| Teemu | are there other current vi:s than vim? | 16:47 |
| fennekki | yes | 16:47 |
| fennekki | like busybox vi which is, IIRC, POSIX-compliant | 16:47 |
| Teemu | i used the the vi until freebsd switched to nvi and then later into vim | 16:47 |
| fennekki | anyway vim is... it's better | 16:47 |
| Teemu | haven't taken much use for the vimish features except v-highlighting stuff i just love | 16:47 |
| fennekki | it's just better | 16:47 |
| fennekki | not even unlimited undo? | 16:48 |
| fennekki | POSIX vi only has one undo level | 16:48 |
| fennekki | tapping u twice is as such a no-op: it undoes and redoes whatever you did last | 16:48 |
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| Teemu | if i want to use vi, why would i use busybox? :) | 16:49 |
| fennekki | I don't know but it *has* a vi | 16:49 |
| Teemu | also: i'm more interesting in using the editor than switching it and finding out how to customize it etc | 16:50 |
| fennekki | I guess | 16:50 |
| fennekki | though I usually only change my configs when I figure out something I could do better, anyway | 16:50 |
| Teemu | i already spent the summer of 1992 basically editing .tvtwmrc for the bestest finalest touches for optimalest ultimatest computering | 16:50 |
| Teemu | naturally emacs has vi | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | emacs has everything | 16:51 |
| Teemu | yes | 16:52 |
| Teemu | it took a long time for me to quit nibbling with the tools and just use them | 16:52 |
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| Teemu | mornfall: that divine looks definitely interesting | 16:54 |
| Teemu | is there anything analog to karnaugh map for software that would help bring an algorithm to its bare essentials? | 16:56 |
| Teemu | (also unreadable unless you do pattern matching) | 16:56 |
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| tiwake | Teemu: yeah, inkscape is rather time consuming to make nice things with | 17:05 |
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| tiwake | Teemu: I used it for engraving where I used to work... make whatever line art and the machine follows the lines | 17:06 |
| Teemu | it seems i'd perhaps be happier with graphviz and then be prepared that its layout might not be visually balanced | 17:07 |
| tiwake | Teemu: a thing I made in inkscape a while back... spent way too much time on it http://tiwake.deviantart.com/art/Chrysalis-sad-324837922 | 17:09 |
| Teemu | aaw | 17:10 |
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| tiwake | yeah... it was strange feeling bad for her as I was making it | 17:12 |
| tiwake | lol | 17:12 |
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| Teemu | :) | 17:16 |
| tiwake | Teemu: http://fav.me/d69e7gz http://fav.me/d68ua8f engraving and the line art I made in inkscape | 17:18 |
| Teemu | :) | 17:19 |
| tiwake | meh, that picture isnt very good | 17:19 |
| tiwake | w/e | 17:19 |
| Teemu | it happens | 17:19 |
| tiwake | the other side of it has a better picture http://fav.me/d69e85y | 17:19 |
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| Yaniel | uhh tracker really needs some more work | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | it seems to choose the wrong file as album cover outright reliably | 17:45 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: i dont think thats trackers fault | 17:46 |
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| Yaniel | whatever process handles that then | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | in jolla-media i think that grillo | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | it's almost as if it first tried to find a png/jpg file whose name does NOT match "folder" or "cover" | 17:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | i need to dig more into trackers album recognition | 17:49 |
| r0kk3rz | does seem to be a bit haphazard | 17:49 |
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| coderus | is there some legal problems in publishing stella ambience for sailfishos hacked from android stella launcher? | 18:23 |
| coderus | Stskeepz: ^ | 18:23 |
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| ln- | the obvious legal problem is that it's illegal. | 18:26 |
| Tomin | 6 | 18:27 |
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| Mikaela | Does Jolla have option somewhere to show touches? It's option in Android developer settings that I always enabled so it showed white point where my fingers were and I liked it because it's helpful when a little wet hands are thought as touches or the device is lagging. | 18:34 |
| Mikaela | I tried to search together.jolla.com and it said nothing on "show touch", but I am not sure if I am even trying the corect words. Another option which I always checked there was to keep screen on when charging, but that appeared with u10 (do I remember uXX correctly?). | 18:35 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 18:36 |
| Mikaela | yes to option or remembering uXX correctly? :) | 18:37 |
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| Mikaela | I probably shouldn't ask so many questions at the same time. | 18:37 |
| Mikaela | oh and if it was to option, where is it? | 18:37 |
| locusf | typical finnish answer to multiple choice question :) like mine | 18:37 |
| Yaniel | yes to u10, settings -> system -> screen for the option | 18:38 |
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| Mikaela | I don't see it there unless you confused "show touch" and "keep screen on when charging" | 18:40 |
| Yaniel | yes that's the one I meant | 18:41 |
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| eyea_UK | Jolla )01!@ yoh | 18:43 |
| Mikaela | dpes the other one exist or thread at together or should I open one? | 18:43 |
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| Nicd- | Mikaela: search in TJC, if there's no thread, add one | 18:48 |
| eyea_UK | any decent what app for Jolla sailfish | 18:48 |
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| Mikaela | I see. I assume there ins't one as I cannot think of anything else than "show touch" | 18:49 |
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| Mikaela | oh, multitasking and I forgot to say that I opened https://together.jolla.com/question/79419/feature-request-allow-showing-touches/ | 18:57 |
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| attah | Has anyone been playing with Android intents on the Jolla? | 20:08 |
| coderus | attah: what is it? | 20:11 |
| attah | umm.. kind of actions that can be sent to apps (os handled byssystem) | 20:11 |
| attah | can't say i'm an expert in the area | 20:11 |
| attah | just messing around to see f it would be daobel to make cover actions for android apps | 20:12 |
| coderus | read some article, looks good | 20:13 |
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| attah | yeah.. i think it could be useful :) | 20:15 |
| attah | i found this.. but that's as far as i got too https://together.jolla.com/question/38863/how-do-i-trigger-an-android-intent-from-outside-alien-dalvik/ | 20:15 |
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| attah | I'll just TJC it and have another beer :) https://together.jolla.com/question/79440/android-cover-actions/ | 20:29 |
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| attah | Stskeepz: May this bear the mark of the skunk? | 20:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | attah: stick it on | 20:46 |
| attah | i'll blame you later ;) | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | sure :) | 20:48 |
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