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| Lucky_luke | skype take 6% of my ram | 01:14 |
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| Lucky_luke | with pgone start | 01:14 |
| Lucky_luke | never open it | 01:14 |
| Lucky_luke | any solution? | 01:14 |
| Lucky_luke | and lipstick 15% | 01:16 |
| fennekki | What is the issue | 01:17 |
| fennekki | are you running out of RAM | 01:17 |
| Lucky_luke | 32k free | 01:19 |
| Lucky_luke | maybe del aliendav ? | 01:19 |
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| fennekki | that you have X amount free doesn't mean you're running out if nothing actively needs more RAM | 01:47 |
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| dunp | why microsoft dount give money for jolla if it gives to Cyanogen | 04:37 |
| dunp | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/29/microsoft-to-invest-in-rogue-android-startup-cyanogen/ | 04:38 |
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| SK_Sailfish_ | morning | 07:17 |
| Teemu | moarningu | 07:18 |
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| Morpog_PC | I'm a bit disappointed to see no official exFAT support in tablet. I for myself won't need it, but I guess alot of mainstream users will. | 08:23 |
| Morpog_PC | pvuorela, is it possible to force a maliit layout to use a different default selection for accented popup? | 08:28 |
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| Morpog_PC | for example, I moved the german umlaute (Ü, Ö, Ä) to U, O, A as accents, so when I long press U I would like to have Ü as default selection | 08:29 |
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| SK_Sailfish | morning from fosdem | 08:39 |
| SK_Sailfish | sitting with faenil | 08:39 |
| SK_Sailfish | in jansen | 08:39 |
| Morpog_PC | morning guys, have fun there :D | 08:39 |
| SK_Sailfish | :) | 08:39 |
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| Stskeeps | SK_Sailfish_: at fosdem at 9:40am? oh that's brave | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:43 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | Stskeeps: :p still at hotel ? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, leaving soon | 08:44 |
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| SK_Sailfish_ | :) | 08:44 |
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| dunp | i have no need to exfat nice if it works with large ext4 or btrfs | 08:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | its linux, it will work with anything | 08:57 |
| pvuorela | Morpog_PC: currently not possible, but acknowledged that should allow to define the base position. | 08:57 |
| r0kk3rz | just dont take it out and put it in anything else | 08:57 |
| dunp | make it look like network share when plug it to computer usb :) for windows users | 08:57 |
| r0kk3rz | dunp: MTP will take care of that | 08:57 |
| pvuorela | Morpog_PC: well, can change the order of accents so some specific character ends up above key button, but that works by chance. | 08:58 |
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| dunp | i like more raw acces like filesystem.. use normal console commands etc.. | 08:58 |
| dunp | if share internet why nyt make a shered drive too :) | 08:59 |
| r0kk3rz | ive certainly used scp before | 09:00 |
| r0kk3rz | dont need no cables | 09:00 |
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| dunp | yeah but native support to windows users too if primary internet connect is phone.. you share phone to laptop so why not share fs "samba" | 09:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats too complicated for a lot of people | 09:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | but if you had some kind of discovery app | 09:03 |
| Morpog_PC | pvuorela, thanks for heads up, so chances to get that in future seems good :D | 09:03 |
| r0kk3rz | that you load up, finds your jolla-tab on the network | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | and opens it up | 09:04 |
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| tbr | community events for fosdem announced! https://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/?answer=75579#post-id-75579 | 09:40 |
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| * Stskeeps clicks 'yes' to are you going | 10:08 | |
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| r0kk3rz | are you sure thats wise Stskeeps? | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | quite | 10:13 |
| r0kk3rz | given some of the heated debates we've had here in irc | 10:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | although people should be happy about the no exfat thing | 10:13 |
| * Stskeeps doesn't see exfat on the topic | 10:15 | |
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| r0kk3rz | since when does the agenda cover everything? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | fair | 10:15 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: face to face discussions are a whole different ball game | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, you can bring physical pitchforks | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: didn't you say 4pm? | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | i see 5pm and 5:30pm here | 10:22 |
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| tbr | I hope to see things addressed that in the past were at core of heated discussion, but can be just unrolled and addressed | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: finnish timezone? | 10:25 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: argh | 10:25 |
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| tadzik | so, where's the Mer/Sailfish/Jolla stand on FOSDEM? :) | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | there's none i think - you're here? | 10:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | this is true, nerds are usually a little more tame when they arent behind their keyboards | 10:31 |
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| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: it depends from person to person | 10:32 |
| r0kk3rz | as always | 10:32 |
| tbr | file not found | 10:32 |
| gogeta | hi tbr 16:00 event will be streamed ? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be lucky if wifi even works there | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | which is good, people have to talk to eachother | 10:33 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: yeah, in the Perl devroom | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: cool | 10:35 |
| tadzik | I have a talk later today, still finishing my slides :P | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | i can't promise i'll go watch a perl talk | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:36 |
| tadzik | oh, good, you'll save me the stress :P | 10:36 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | perl ... :/ | 10:36 |
| gogeta | SK_Sailfish_, tastes ... | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: got notification that time was changed | 10:39 |
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| Stskeeps | (good) | 10:39 |
| SK_Sailfish | gogeta: perl is a bit more about taste :) | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | https://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/embedded_freedom/ - this event should be interesting | 10:40 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: yes, net suxx, as you know, took me a while | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i think i'm right in the signal path from where i'm sitting | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | time to stream some 1080p content.. :P | 10:42 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: eeeevil ;) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | i do occasionally wonder if it would be possible to set up a custom 4g network and give out sims here.. | 10:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Obviously the solution is to give everyone high power 4g mifis with wifi signal boosters | 10:52 |
| ShadowJK | blot out wifi spectrum for miles | 10:52 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: CCC events do such stuff, although for now it's GSM only IIRC | 10:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | anyone come across cross compiling issues with qt before.... | 10:56 |
| r0kk3rz | resulting in a broken qstring | 10:56 |
| r0kk3rz | lots of warnings: usr/include/qt5/QtCore/qstring.h:305:14: note: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4 | 10:56 |
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| SK_Sailfish | r0kk3rz: these warnings are not dangerous | 10:57 |
| SK_Sailfish | r0kk3rz: must be something else | 10:58 |
| r0kk3rz | they arent? hmms, program appears to be segfaulting on qstring | 10:58 |
| Mikaela | what is wrong with Jolla and captive portals? | 10:59 |
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| Mikaela | web browser jumps very often to ask me to login to nonexistant captive portal | 11:00 |
| friese | Hei guys, i'm planning on buying a second jolla for my mother. Are there any discounts right now (apart from the 249€ with 3 TOHs-Deal)? | 11:00 |
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| Mikaela | but I am already logged in abd the browser just loads uninteresting jolla.com ads | 11:01 |
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| Mikaela | I will write bugreport tonight when I get to computer | 11:03 |
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| Mikaela | correction; no ads. the browsdr just says loading forever | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 11:08 |
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| Mikaela | I am now wasting mobille data as using bus or scool wlans is impossible | 11:12 |
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| Mikaela | unless web browser windows jumping around don't bother you | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | Mikaela: i presume you're on latest version? | 11:13 |
| Mikaela | vaarainjärvi | 11:13 |
| Mikaela | no updateds available, last checked just now | 11:14 |
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| Mikaela | it also looks like I must order tohkbd as fingerterm vkbd is heorrible | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | we should really just finish the silica port at some point of that.. | 11:16 |
| Yaniel | now that one was horrible last time I tried | 11:16 |
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| Yaniel | but that was quite a while ago, I should probably try it again someday | 11:17 |
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| Mikaela | What is silica? I sm not sure if I understand google | 11:21 |
| Mikaela | warehouse search has too many results too | 11:23 |
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| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | Mikaela: silica is the ui component set of sailfishos | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | sailfish silica | 11:23 |
| Mikaela | I see. Silica port of what? fingerterm? | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | fingerterm is btw open source, as a sidenote | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | so you can probably customize it to your needs | 11:25 |
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| Mikaela | no skills | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm/blob/master/data/english.layout as well | 11:26 |
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| Mikaela | I don't know if changing layout helps | 11:27 |
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| Mikaela | can typing noise be set to lower volume? it hurts my ears with earbuds | 11:28 |
| Mikaela | I sm listening to music with volume 1 and the noise is too much | 11:28 |
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| Mikaela | other touchscreen sounds to | 11:30 |
| Mikaela | did I mention that I have asperger's syndrome including over sensitive hearing | 11:31 |
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| Stskeeps | you didn't, but i know the problem -- i would imagine it should be possible to tune somewhere | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | i personally disable touchscreen sounds | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | and rely only on vibration | 11:32 |
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| Mikaela | The only thing I see is ringtone volume. I did that now too, but would like some kind of sound too. | 11:32 |
| Mikaela | sorry, I probably haven't talked very nicely today | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | I don't have phenomenal hearing, but I find volume level 1 too loud on most devices | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | Mikaela: ah, don't worry, you're doing fine | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | there's nothing wrong in noting your issues with a device or how it behaves | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | if people are afraid to talk about the issues with sw, how are we to get good bug reports or improvement points :) | 11:34 |
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| ShadowJK | it's actually hard though, electrically, to make audio that is good across wide range of volume | 11:35 |
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| HtheB | who is at fosdem? | 11:36 |
| HtheB | cybette? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | several people | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | you too? | 11:37 |
| HtheB | yeah | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah, me too | 11:37 |
| HtheB | where are you? xD | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | watching f*watch talk | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | note https://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/ | 11:37 |
| HtheB | hmm, doesnt say anything about f*waych :p | 11:39 |
| HtheB | t | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | despite what it looks like, i have life outside jolla :P | 11:39 |
| HtheB | hahhah | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | https://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/gps_watch/ | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | next up david's talk in embedded room | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | Mikaela: i don't at the moment have any idea where to tune those volumes but if you raise a together.* topic, others may know | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | and if that fails, we can prod our audio guy | 11:41 |
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| Mikaela | not possible until around 23+0200 | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | many of us are at FOSDEM so i doubt much would move anyway | 11:42 |
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| Mikaela | I am just going to Helsinki for peer supöort group | 11:46 |
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| Mikaela | it appears that ringtone volume controls communi's highlight volume, but not keyboard typing noise | 11:54 |
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| tadzik | it is actually called "fuckwatch", or it's literally a *? :) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: maybe a bit of unfounded FOSS matching | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:01 |
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| Mikaela | how are jollas tested? maybe you should consider being in onnibus for two hours with only Jolla and earbuds :) | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm sure sage tests that once in a while | 12:02 |
| tadzik | heh | 12:02 |
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| mcfrisk | go lbt | 12:20 |
| rysiek|pl | why leave out "g" and "q" | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | hum? | 12:22 |
| rysiek|pl | nvm, bad joke | 12:23 |
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| Mikaela | my head does that too | 12:26 |
| Mikaela | lesbian bi trans | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt is little blue thing | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:26 |
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| Mikaela | that says nothing to me | 12:29 |
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| Mikaela | rysiek|pl also forgot I | 12:31 |
| Mikaela | where is tab on this normal keyboard by the way? | 12:32 |
| rysiek|pl | Mikaela: how did I forget You? | 12:32 |
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| Mikaela | i, intersex | 12:32 |
| Mikaela | LGBTIQ | 12:32 |
| rysiek|pl | oh, interesting, didn't know that, thanks! | 12:32 |
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| Mikaela | you're welcome | 12:33 |
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| Mikaela | that is actually my destination | 12:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | lump all of the disorders together! despite them being very different | 12:38 |
| Mikaela | they aren't disorders | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | some are, some arent | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | and this is when we went off topic. | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:39 |
| Mikaela | I cannot see disorders in those letters | 12:40 |
| Mikaela | seems so | 12:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | trans and intersex are definitely disorders, we just dont know what causes them yet | 12:41 |
| Mikaela | I am trans... | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | your point being? | 12:42 |
| Mikaela | and going to peer support group | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz, Mikaela: this is quite off topic for here, you're welcome to continue the conversation elsewhere. | 12:42 |
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| Mikaela | that it's transphobia etc. which kill | 12:42 |
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| Mikaela | I have no motivation to continue thid | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:43 |
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| HtheB | ugh | 12:47 |
| HtheB | wifi sucks here | 12:47 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps, you at the lobby? | 12:47 |
| HtheB | cybette? :p | 12:47 |
| HtheB | and does someone know if dirkvl is also here? | 12:48 |
| HtheB | no one? xD | 12:49 |
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| kimmoli | :( | 12:49 |
| HtheB | kimmoli? | 12:49 |
| kimmoli | i'm not there | 12:49 |
| HtheB | aaww | 12:49 |
| HtheB | but dirk should be right? | 12:49 |
| HtheB | he said he was going to leave on friday | 12:49 |
| kimmoli | dunno, last msg from him was "uch, throat infection #timing #fosdem" | 12:50 |
| HtheB | i wish i could at least meet some jolla guys before leaving fosdem :( | 12:50 |
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| HtheB | who else is at fosdem.... | 12:53 |
| HtheB | i wish there was some meeting point... :p | 12:53 |
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| HtheB | ? | 12:58 |
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| HtheB | M4rtinK_jolla_ problems with your wifi? | 13:05 |
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| vicho | HtheB: there is a round table at 16:00 in H.3227 | 13:08 |
| vicho | HtheB: https://together.jolla.com/question/75543/fosdem-2015-community-events/?answer=75572#post-id-75572 | 13:08 |
| HtheB | yeah but i dont think i could stay at that time :( | 13:09 |
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| HtheB | ugh | 13:13 |
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| HtheB | i wish jolla or maemo had its own stand | 13:13 |
| HtheB | hey dirk, | 13:13 |
| HtheB | at fosdem? | 13:13 |
| kimmoli | yes he is :) | 13:14 |
| dirkvl_ | yes i am here | 13:14 |
| HtheB | waar ben je? | 13:14 |
| HtheB | would be cool to see you here :D | 13:14 |
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| T-Dahg | hey guys | 13:19 |
| T-Dahg | i'm at fosdem at the moment, but can't seem to find the jolla boot | 13:20 |
| T-Dahg | *booth | 13:20 |
| T-Dahg | do you maybe know where it is? ;) | 13:20 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | i guess there is no jolla booth | 13:25 |
| kimmoli | Venemo: Start SDK, click help on sidebar, last item from contents "Sailfish silica reference" | 13:26 |
| Venemo | kimmoli: why? | 13:26 |
| Venemo | kimmoli: what? | 13:26 |
| kimmoli | for the silica ref? | 13:26 |
| Venemo | you read my message on the mailing list | 13:26 |
| Venemo | well, I can find it by pressing F1 in Qt Creator | 13:27 |
| Venemo | but | 13:27 |
| Venemo | I would expect to find it at sailfishos.org too | 13:27 |
| kimmoli | i assume it will be there after polishing | 13:27 |
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| Venemo | let's hope so | 13:34 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps, you there? | 13:35 |
| * HtheB and dirkvl_ are seeking you | 13:35 | |
| HtheB | echo.... | 13:37 |
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| HtheB | :D | 13:45 |
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| Sage | Mikaela: should be fine though I have note tested. I've used onniexpress here though in those used mostly 3g/4g. | 13:56 |
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| Gordon` | hi | 14:17 |
| Gordon` | can anybody tell me what are the purchase delays thoses days for a Jolla? | 14:17 |
| Gordon` | I recently broke mine, and, with the actual discount code, it could be worth the price to buy a new one if I can get it quick time | 14:18 |
| Gordon` | then send my old one to repair, and sell it | 14:19 |
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| Nicd- | is there a discount code currently? | 14:23 |
| kimmoli | Nicd-: according to twitter, FOSDEM2015 | 14:25 |
| Nicd- | ah | 14:25 |
| Nicd- | can't tell my brother, he'd be pissed :D he just bought one | 14:25 |
| Gordon` | "yep | 14:25 |
| Gordon` | hehe | 14:25 |
| Gordon` | Nicd-: has he received it yet? | 14:26 |
| Nicd- | yeah | 14:26 |
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| Gordon` | how long did it take? And in which country is he? | 14:26 |
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| Nicd- | dunno how long, he's in Finland | 14:27 |
| Nicd- | don't know if he bought from the online store at all | 14:27 |
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| Gordon` | o | 14:27 |
| Gordon` | ok* | 14:27 |
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| Unicycle_ | Hi. i this is the place to arrange a seat at the dinner? i'd like to come also. if possible then i'd like menu 1 | 16:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | Unicycle_: best stick it onto the tjc item | 16:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | or ping lbt | 16:23 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | personnal note: ping Aard for the security features for SailfishOS | 16:26 |
| falfa | yeah, where are they? | 16:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | falfa: lbt_away is at FOSDEM ATM | 16:36 |
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| falfa | :-) | 16:47 |
| falfa | i was looking for some description of the security features :-) | 16:47 |
| special | Sfiet_Konstantin: what about them? | 16:52 |
| special | (I'm focusing on security these days) | 16:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | special: when will "privileged" die :D ? | 16:53 |
| special | as quickly as I can kill it | 16:53 |
| tadzik | soo, no way to solve and deduplicate favourite talks in the fosdem app? | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | more seriously, how would it work ? from the core (system level), to ui ? | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can start with core | 16:53 |
| special | my current plan, which is still in the "ideas and prototypes" stage (soon to become "actually a proposal") | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | special: what kind of stuff did you explored ? | 16:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and, is it night in the states ? or are you temporarily swedish ? | 16:54 |
| special | is that we get selinux working, then replace 'privileged' with selinux policy | 16:54 |
| special | I'm in Thailand, actually | 16:54 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 16:54 |
| special | and eventually.. | 16:55 |
| special | I have thoughts on how we can build a full application permissions framework with user granting and all, primarily using selinux | 16:55 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 16:56 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm waiting for the proposal | 16:56 |
| special | I was hoping to have it done by now, but then I left for my holiday and it was _much_ more pleasant than anticipated | 16:56 |
| special | so it's been very hard to get anything else done | 16:56 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | Sfiet_Konstantin: some resume of community meeting? | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, technically, holidays are made for resting | 16:57 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | i was sleeping due drugs | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dr_gogeta86_joll: tbr has posted a small part on TJC | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but there are ore stuff | 16:58 |
| special | I'm here for a full month, I can't rest that long | 16:58 |
| special | it would kill me | 16:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | special: is this vacation ? :D | 16:58 |
| special | mhm | 16:58 |
| special | remember, I'm an american | 16:58 |
| special | we don't understand vacations the way that europe does | 16:58 |
| special | we do it as "I'll be away for a few days, but you can reach me by email or call [...] if it's an emergency and I'll check in every 36 hours" | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats a 'just america' type of thing | 17:00 |
| special | I just can't do the "drop everything" style of holiday :p | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | the rest of the world actually takes a break | 17:00 |
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| special | but, it turns out that thai beaches are fantastic and I could spend the entire month with cocktails and books | 17:02 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | special I'm italian and I work twice during holidays | 17:02 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | especially when someone replace me | 17:03 |
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| dr_gogeta86_joll | for the record i was an call for 5 h on 31st dicember for D&R testing | 17:04 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | depends on how much jerk are your customers | 17:04 |
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| tiwake | special: heh... yeah.. though now I own my own business. That means I get to do all that in addition to working for free :3 | 17:28 |
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| pdanek | 52562 in Hippopotamus | 17:51 |
| pdanek | uuuuuuuu | 17:51 |
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| Mikaela | Sage: the issue is WLAN and that has soething to do with captive portals. | 21:52 |
| Mikaela | I am at home and have been in sauna and I will probably soon write to together | 21:52 |
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| Mikaela | opened, I hope that I am understandable | 22:23 |
| Mikaela | https://together.jolla.com/question/79292/wlans-with-captive-portals-are-almost-unusable/ & https://together.jolla.com/question/79293/only-ringtone-volume-can-be-configured-in-settings/ | 22:23 |
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| fennekki | Mikaela: wait, is the problem that you keep getting deauthenticated on wifi that requires a web-based login | 23:38 |
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| fennekki | I could see if I can duplicate this with the wlan at TUT on Monday. Haven't used it a lot. If it works, we could maybe narrow down the issue too | 23:38 |
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