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| TMavica_Jolla_ | Hong Kong have Jolla battery sell | 07:25 |
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| Stskeeps | hm? | 07:26 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | 8 euro | 07:27 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | for 1 | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | URL? | 07:27 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | not yet hv url | 07:35 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | the battery sell in next month | 07:36 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | need to wait india | 07:36 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | the battery factory | 07:36 |
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| Tofe | Looks like a lot of btrfs bugs are getting solved in the latest kernel... Good for our Jolla, or too complicated to back-port ? | 08:49 |
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| phdeswer | Tofe: latest kernel as in current upstream? If so yes, no way to back-port, unless the whole VFS and god knows what other kernel subsystems are updated. | 08:51 |
| phdeswer | Well not realistically of course. If Jolla had a full-time 20+ team of kernel hackers maybe, | 08:51 |
| warfare | and got the binary blobs from qualcomm for a recent kernel. | 08:54 |
| Tofe | phdeswer: yes, I was talking about 3.19 kernel. But I understand the issue here :) | 08:54 |
| phdeswer | Tofe: well I am sure many people want the btrfs bugs gone. And especially Jolla ;) | 08:55 |
| tbr | warfare: and recertifying bluetooth, wifi and potentially the cell stack | 08:55 |
| warfare | *brr* | 08:55 |
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| tbr | warfare: despite the module being almost identical to an open source version release _after_ jolla RTM, it can't be replaced with the open source version for that reason | 08:56 |
| tbr | at least not by jolla, every user could do so themselves | 08:56 |
| Tofe | tbr: the wonderful world of mobile dev, as Stskeeps would say | 08:57 |
| tbr | indeed | 08:58 |
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| anYc | is there a list of closed blobs in the jolla somewhere? | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | there was a graphic of what is open and what is closed but can't remember the url | 09:27 |
| anYc | ah, I meant in the kernel | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | and that url is down atm as i took down the box (was a temporary location) | 09:28 |
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| ilpianista | did anyone read about a tox client already? | 09:48 |
| Wnt | Frustrated about Facebook messaging "Send" button not being active when typing in a single word response in the Sailfish Browser? Vote here for a fix: https://together.jolla.com/question/78556/browser-doesnt-send-keyup-events-before-adding-a-word-boundary-character/ | 09:48 |
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| sjtoik | ilpianista: looks great and development is swift | 09:57 |
| ilpianista | sjtoik, yup! | 09:58 |
| ilpianista | I'd like to work on a tox client, but I don't know if someone is working on it already | 09:58 |
| sjtoik | if i my masters thesis wouldn't be on the way, i would start working on jolla port | 09:58 |
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| sjtoik | one versio i tested was already written with qt.. | 09:59 |
| ilpianista | I'll be @ fosdem... maybe I'll find someone interested there ;-) | 09:59 |
| ilpianista | sjtoik, well, there's qTox | 09:59 |
| sjtoik | yea that one | 09:59 |
| Sail0r | is Jolla affected by glibc bug? | 09:59 |
| ilpianista | sjtoik, the thing is I suppose "IM stuff" should be implemented using the "Messaging API", so you could switch between IM services in the Messaging app | 10:00 |
| sjtoik | guess so | 10:02 |
| Sail0r | version is 2.15 | 10:03 |
| Sail0r | so it should be affected i think | 10:03 |
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| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/78558/security-is-there-a-ghost-in-jolla-glibc/ opend a thread | 10:06 |
| suosaaski | Anyone in Finland interested in buying a Jolla phone? Display was replaced in service last summer, hasn't been used since. 150 eur. | 10:09 |
| suosaaski | "The first one" | 10:09 |
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| faenil | Sail0r, no need, tigeli already created a PR with the fix iiuc | 10:10 |
| Sail0r | ok, but nothing in TJC yet | 10:10 |
| faenil | ? | 10:10 |
| Sail0r | about the topic ;) | 10:10 |
| faenil | phdeswer replied already, actually :P | 10:11 |
| Sail0r | I accepted ;) | 10:11 |
| phdeswer | Well we were talking about how and when to release the fix, so I decided to check tjc to make sure you guys know we are on it ;) | 10:11 |
| Sail0r | good thing thx :) | 10:12 |
| Nicd- | seems my arch server was patched before I even knew about the vulnerability \o/ | 10:12 |
| Sail0r | knowing that it is worked on the issue is always good :) | 10:12 |
| Sail0r | arch started with glibc 2.20 | 10:12 |
| Sail0r | as my manjaro too | 10:13 |
| Sail0r | but they didn't patch because of vulnerability but because it was normal update cycle | 10:13 |
| Sail0r | ;) | 10:13 |
| faenil | Sail0r, how is Manjaro? thinking about giving it a spin | 10:13 |
| Sail0r | I really like it | 10:13 |
| Sail0r | it's completly without problem since install | 10:13 |
| Sail0r | everything just works | 10:13 |
| Yaniel | what's the diff between manjaro and arch | 10:14 |
| faenil | Sail0r, great | 10:15 |
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| Sail0r | I think manjaro is more userfriendly Yaniel | 10:16 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: http://manjaro.github.io/about/ -- tl;dr it's arch + preconfigured gui and user friendliness | 10:16 |
| sjtoik | ilpianista: damn you on reminding me about fosdem. now i'm planning a quick trip to bryssels | 10:16 |
| ilpianista | :-) | 10:16 |
| cryorat | Yaniel, vanilla arch is better | 10:16 |
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| faenil | ilpianista, I'll be @ fodem too, a few italians are coming it seems :) | 10:16 |
| Nicd- | cryorat: "better" depends on the user | 10:17 |
| ilpianista | faenil, cool o/ | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | I use vanilla arch myself | 10:17 |
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| ilpianista | what does it mean "vanilla" in this case? | 10:17 |
| Nicd- | it means plain. nothing added | 10:18 |
| Acce | probably that it's just arch | 10:18 |
| cryorat | Nicd-, depends on who wants to spend a day to configure that shit :3 (coz im that kind of user) | 10:18 |
| ilpianista | Nicd-, neither Xorg? :-/ | 10:18 |
| cryorat | ilpianista, yep | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | ilpianista: here "vanilla arch" was meant in contrast to "manjaro" which is "arch + added stuff" | 10:19 |
| ilpianista | cryorat, I thought you was joking, but you look serious now | 10:19 |
| SQUelcher | I hope my Jolla will be back from repair soon.. :/ | 10:19 |
| Nicd- | so you can install xorg on your arch and still call it vanilla arch | 10:19 |
| ilpianista | Nicd-, that's my point, that's not arch at all, that's manjaro! | 10:19 |
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| ilpianista | Nicd-, sorry, but no, it does not make sense IMHO | 10:20 |
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| cryorat | ilpianista, its not hard btw, just a bit time consuming at the first couple time | 10:20 |
| ilpianista | you don't say "I'm using debian vanilla" | 10:20 |
| ilpianista | cryorat, I'm an arch packager ;-) | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | personally I don't care what people call it. I understand what they mean anyway | 10:20 |
| ilpianista | Nicd-, just curious. fine then ;-) | 10:21 |
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| Nicd- | myself I just call it arch (linux) | 10:21 |
| ilpianista | so do I | 10:21 |
| Yaniel | oj ilpianista here too | 10:22 |
| ilpianista | Yaniel, o/ | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | what tz are you in? | 10:23 |
| ilpianista | Yaniel, I'm from Italy | 10:23 |
| Mikaela | The following package updates will NOT be installed: openssh openssh-clients openssh-server | 10:24 |
| Mikaela | wishes Zypper here | 10:24 |
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| ilpianista | Yaniel, are you going to fosdem? | 10:25 |
| Mikaela | ah, reading manuals says more | 10:25 |
| Yaniel | no | 10:25 |
| ilpianista | Yaniel, is your libsodium somewhere public yet? | 10:25 |
| Mikaela | it wants to upgrade those and downgrade harbour-communi and openssl | 10:25 |
| Yaniel | anyway, if you have time in the evening (17-> your time) we can discuss in more detail | 10:26 |
| Yaniel | either on #sailfishos or tox | 10:26 |
| ilpianista | Yaniel, cool, but let's make 6PM (my time) | 10:26 |
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| Yaniel | so 8PM here | 10:33 |
| Mikaela | wouldn't it be easier to arrange times using UTC? | 10:34 |
| Mikaela | 2015-01-28T10:34:51+0000 | 10:34 |
| ilpianista | Mikaela, yup :-) | 10:35 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: 6PM in italy is 7PM here. unless you have moved out of Finland | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | then my $TZ is wrong :D | 10:36 |
| Mikaela | TZs are anoying anyway | 10:36 |
| Nicd- | we are +0200 you know | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | yes | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | just wasn't sure which one italy is | 10:37 |
| Mikaela | it's usually +0100 like France | 10:37 |
| Tofe | I would even say that it's always so | 10:37 |
| ilpianista | yeah, but I'm lost because we are DST now | 10:38 |
| ilpianista | maybe everyone in Europe is DST too? | 10:38 |
| Mikaela | we are in standard time | 10:38 |
| ilpianista | however let's talk in UTC is safer :-D | 10:38 |
| Mikaela | as long as you don't start miscalculating UTC. I once turned Finland into UTC-2 and wondered where was everyone | 10:39 |
| ilpianista | lol | 10:39 |
| Nicd- | ilpianista: italy is not DST now | 10:39 |
| Yaniel | so, UTC 17:00 | 10:39 |
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| ilpianista | Nicd-, ah thanks | 10:39 |
| Nicd- | ilpianista: DST starts Sun, 29 Mar, 02:00 this year for you | 10:40 |
| Yaniel | whatever, I'll be online most of the evening | 10:40 |
| ilpianista | Yaniel, fine! | 10:40 |
| ilpianista | Nicd-, thanks :-) | 10:41 |
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| Nicd- | timezones are actually pretty fun and interesting when programming, you just need to remember not to ever write tz handling yourself but instead rely on tested libraries | 10:42 |
| ilpianista | I agree | 10:42 |
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| mornfall | Nicd-: a bit like AES huh? :P | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | yes, cryptography is another big "don't do it yourself" | 10:43 |
| CissWit | the only problem with cryptography is the lack of library to rely on | 10:44 |
| mornfall | how come? | 10:45 |
| mornfall | (I also don't think the „panic, panic, let's throw out openssl“ approach is far from constructive) | 10:46 |
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| mornfall | -don't | 10:47 |
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| ilpianista | Yaniel, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?s=b9265237682477b13f59de8d4d1bc6a1&p=1437591&postcount=5 | 10:55 |
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| lordchavez83-bas | Hey all | 10:56 |
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| Yaniel | looks like someone was faster with building toxcore on obs | 10:57 |
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| Yaniel | I'll see if it builds with the sailfish target | 10:58 |
| ilpianista | great | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | LordChav83_AFK: remove your awaymessage | 10:59 |
| Mikaela | and awaynick | 10:59 |
| ilpianista | and away | 10:59 |
| LordChav83_AFK | that was supposed to go into another channel. | 11:01 |
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| LordChavez83 | The Motd doesn't tell me to not do anything like that. I'm sorry. | 11:02 |
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| Nicd- | LordChavez83: it's common IRC etiquette. this is a big channel, it would be totally filled with irrelevant stuff if everyone announced when they left or arrived | 11:07 |
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| Nicd- | if you leave, you just set your /away status and other people can use that to check if you are around | 11:07 |
| LordChavez83 | Nicd-, sure, i am just used to switch the status, over from quake net, got banned from a whole lot of channles due to not afk'ing. | 11:08 |
| Nicd- | due to not saying you were afk? | 11:08 |
| LordChavez83 | or at least not chaning my nick, yeah. | 11:08 |
| tadzik | wat | 11:08 |
| Nicd- | strange channels | 11:09 |
| tadzik | #tf.wars must hate me | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | quakenet.. | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:09 |
| Mikaela | not surprising thinking that it's quakenet | 11:09 |
| Nicd- | I've never seen any, usually both are discouraged | 11:09 |
| Nicd- | and I've been on quakenet for ages | 11:09 |
| tadzik | I'm not super active on quakenet, to put it mildly, and I've never seen that | 11:09 |
| LordChavez83 | so did i and the channels i used to be in, where kinda... lets say ruled by a strong q | 11:09 |
| LordChavez83 | doesn't matter tho, i rmoved the script for freenode | 11:10 |
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| LordChavez83 | i was just wondering, if someone else recognized a remarkable higher battery drain, when using audio-playback tools on the jolla phone. up to 15-20% more battery drain within 2 hours. | 11:12 |
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| tbr | LordChavez83: well, device sleeps less, runs decoders, resamplers, so more power is consumed. | 11:14 |
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| LordChavez83 | tbr, sure, i compare it this way: surfing 2 hourse in a train switching between, 4G, 3G and 2G due to bad 4G availability, with active display. Or just listening to music for 2 hours with deactivated display. From my understanding the a Mobile Display has the biggest energy draining. | 11:16 |
| RavenholmDX | LordChavez83, in my experience, Jolla doesn't have the best 'awake' battery life | 11:17 |
| RavenholmDX | but an amazing standby life | 11:17 |
| tbr | sounds like that would get you pretty random results | 11:17 |
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| RavenholmDX | an hour on the bus this morning, streaming music, used ~15-20% | 11:18 |
| RavenholmDX | I can go 24 hours standby and use less than 10% | 11:18 |
| LordChavez83 | sure, but u'll have to deactivate MobileData | 11:18 |
| RavenholmDX | nope | 11:18 |
| RavenholmDX | that's with everything as is | 11:18 |
| RavenholmDX | I have my social networks and emails updating every 30 mins | 11:19 |
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| LordChavez83 | I suppose your Mobile Network isn't chaning a lot betweem 4G - 2G | 11:19 |
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| RavenholmDX | not when I'm at home, I have consistant 4G connection | 11:20 |
| RavenholmDX | but on the bus, my phone jumps alot, between no connection, 3G and 4G | 11:20 |
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| tbr | wasn't there an FOSDEM/Brussels related app supposed to be in jolla store? | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | sailme, or how was it? | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | https://twitter.com/cybette/status/557189356071714817 | 11:55 |
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| benna86 | Sailme should be in the store, or here https://openrepos.net/content/netvandal/sailme | 12:15 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: then store search sucks balls. I tried brussels, fosdem, belgium and the result was nil. | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: ah, it's like a generic travel app | 12:23 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: FOSDEM is mentioned in the description | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :) | 12:23 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I wouldn't complain if it wasn't | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | then it does suck balls, it seems | 12:23 |
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| tbr | most of the time I have good reasons for complaining. ;-) | 12:24 |
| nazanin | will file a bug for it | 12:25 |
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| kimmoli | ..finally.. | 13:13 |
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| Mikaela | mupp.it client for Jolla while http://mupp.it/ is coming soon? | 14:01 |
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| tadzik | yeah, that puzzled me to | 14:24 |
| tadzik | too | 14:24 |
| tadzik | "it's a client for mupp.it, which doesn't exist yet" | 14:24 |
| Mikaela | bah, now I must probably install the app | 14:25 |
| Mikaela | too curious on does it do anything | 14:25 |
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| Mikaela | it seems to have FOSDEM - Brussels and Oporto | 14:30 |
| Mikaela | the first one might be interesting and I am not sure where Oporto is | 14:30 |
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| Mikaela | Portugal? | 14:30 |
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| tadzik | more like OPortugal :P | 14:31 |
| Mikaela | I don't understand | 14:33 |
| tadzik | I made a joke that since Porto is in Portugal then surely Oporto is in Oportugal, because you add an O to both | 14:34 |
| Mikaela | I see | 14:35 |
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| Ezko | ha ha ha, tadzik | 14:41 |
| * tadzik bows | 14:41 | |
| Ezko | perfect joke | 14:42 |
| tadzik | I think it was good, but not one of these that get better when you explain them | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7FDpaNtAxo | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | the end is for you | 14:44 |
| tadzik | :D | 14:44 |
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| Mikaela | rajaton 3G vai 10 gigaa 4G? enpä taida haluta TeleFinlandilsta mitään ja alan selvittämään miten saan tuon liittymän itselleni | 17:46 |
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| Yaniel | riippuu vähän käytöstä | 18:05 |
| Yaniel | ehh, wrong channel, sort of | 18:07 |
| Mikaela | kyllä se tuohonkin sopisi, mutta rajaton 3G taitaa olla ilmiselvä ratkaisu | 18:09 |
| Hartzi | Mikaela: takaisin #jollasuomi :) | 18:10 |
| Mikaela | sorry, I thought I was on #jollasuomi , this is easy to tabfail | 18:10 |
| Mikaela | when I type #j<tab> or anything it complets here by default and the names are similar or the beginning | 18:11 |
| Tegu | is that how you change windows? :o | 18:12 |
| Tegu | (assuming you have joined already) | 18:12 |
| Tegu | oh, doesn't change window in irssi :( | 18:12 |
| Mikaela | I use /b #j<tab | 18:12 |
| Mikaela | where /b is alias for /buffer | 18:13 |
| Mikaela | WeeChat 1.2-dev (git: v1.1-45-gaf94831) [compiled on Jan 25 2015 14:57:02] | 18:13 |
| Tegu | oki | 18:13 |
| ponky | ,w go #j<tab> | 18:14 |
| ponky | ;> | 18:14 |
| * Aard curses glibc a bit | 18:15 | |
| r0kk3rz | evil glibc | 18:15 |
| r0kk3rz | how dare it be a building block of everything | 18:15 |
| Tegu | ghosts everywhere | 18:16 |
| Aard | how dare they find a security issue in there shortly before releasing one upgrade, and branching off the next one | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz | given your quick release cycle, i think that is going to happen for all exploits | 18:17 |
| Aard | well, they have 4 weeks of time. no need to to release it during the last 3 days | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | then release u11 and hotfix it within a week or whatever | 18:19 |
| r0kk3rz | feature releases and security patches should be seperate :P | 18:20 |
| rigo | +1 | 18:21 |
| rigo | BTW, this makes you much stronger than most of the phones | 18:21 |
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| Aard | r0kk3rz: starting with u11 that'll be possible (also I'll get rid of the term "hotfix") | 18:22 |
| Mikaela | how will that be updated? jolla store or pkcon/zypper or openrepos or OS upgrade? | 18:23 |
| Mikaela | glibc | 18:23 |
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| Aard | Mikaela: as usual, part of the regular update. we're not aware of remotely exploitable issues on our phone, so we won't release it on top of u10, but we just added it to u11 (rebuilds ongoing) | 18:24 |
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| Mikaela | which of those is regular update? | 18:24 |
| Mikaela | sorry, I have been Jolla user maybe for week | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | Aard: good to hear :) | 18:25 |
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| fennekki | the primary effects of the glibc exploit would be if you ran an email server on the jolla or if some app connects to a malicious hostname | 18:25 |
| Aard | Mikaela: ah, ok. so I guess you already got u10 over the version initially installed on your phone? | 18:25 |
| fennekki | so I guess some apps might be vulnerable if they can be fooled to connecting to arbitrary addresses | 18:25 |
| Mikaela | oh, that I haven't done yet. Are postfix and logwatch in default repos? | 18:26 |
| mornfall | fennekki: some apps, maybe... the most exposed ones hopefully use getaddrinfo | 18:26 |
| Mikaela | Aard: I don't remember which this came with, but this wanted me to upgrade to Sailfish OS Vaarainjärvi 1.1.1.27 which I did | 18:26 |
| Aard | Mikaela: yep, so all the other updates will be exactly like that one | 18:26 |
| Mikaela | I see, thanks | 18:27 |
| fennekki | mornfall: it requires a pre-existing security hole anyway | 18:27 |
| mornfall | fennekki: well, ability to click a link wouldn't necessarily be a security hole | 18:27 |
| mornfall | (a link coming from outside world that is) | 18:28 |
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| rigo | connecting to the internet is a security hole | 18:28 |
| rigo | :) | 18:28 |
| fennekki | mornfall: True, I guess. I was kinda exempting web browsers here | 18:28 |
| fennekki | mostly because at least you'd be visibly connecting to the host | 18:28 |
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| rigo | if somebody is paranoid, they should have a "brick-mode" where only GSM and local apps work :) | 18:28 |
| fennekki | sigh | 18:29 |
| Aard | Mikaela: here's a short overview of how we're working, in case you're interested (published yesterday) https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Vendor/Release_Structure#Example_Vendors | 18:29 |
| mornfall | fennekki: that's what I meant by “most exposed” apps | 18:29 |
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| Gordon` | speaking about bricks, my phone just fell from my pocket, on its screen. Which is now half black | 18:29 |
| fennekki | Ah, alright | 18:29 |
| * Gordon` cries | 18:29 | |
| Mikaela | Thanks, I will take a look | 18:30 |
| temmi_moo | how about just using the good old nokie 2110i | 18:30 |
| Mikaela | :( | 18:30 |
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| temmi_moo | a even | 18:30 |
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| temmi_moo | not very many security holes | 18:30 |
| fennekki | Anyway, plugging security holes isn't paranoia when there literally are malicious parties interested in your data | 18:30 |
| rigo | temmi_moo: that's what most people in CCC do | 18:30 |
| temmi_moo | damn i love berlin | 18:31 |
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| RavenholmDX | Berlin is awesome | 18:31 |
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| rigo | but not having ios or android is probably already sufficient to scare most script kiddies away | 18:32 |
| rigo | that's why I want a sandbox for android apps in jolla | 18:32 |
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| rigo | some brick-like chroot where I can open things one by one (camera/micro/IP-stack/GSM) | 18:33 |
| Aard | rigo: the whole android bits will soon be chrooted with only a few required data directories mounted in | 18:33 |
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| rigo | Aard: \o/ | 18:33 |
| rigo | Aard: be sure the addressbook is NOT in the accessible directories | 18:34 |
| fennekki | the address book is accessible through some Alien interface, isn't it | 18:34 |
| rigo | may have hiccup with FB and goggle, but that's rather a feature | 18:35 |
| Aard | rigo: address access is through standard android apis, so the runtime itself has access, and the apps go through the runtime. we'll provide a way to disable contacts access for the android runtime in one of the upcoming releases, though | 18:35 |
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| rigo | Aard: I may want to use this ultra invasive android app in a sandbox with their own addressbook but without access to my real addressbook | 18:37 |
| rigo | because I believe most people buy a jolla because they are fed up with android giving their addressbook away without asking | 18:38 |
| rigo | Aard: a nice feature is then to allow me to merge a contact from android into my secure jolla address book (the way my N9 does) | 18:39 |
| rigo | -> suggestions that are nice to have :) | 18:39 |
| Aard | rigo: sandboxing individual android apps is at least not in the "near future" todo-list. first is "have the android runtime like a separate device where apps can play like on a real android, and you control access to the real device" | 18:39 |
| rigo | just in case you run out of ideas :) | 18:39 |
| rigo | Aard: I see the complexity of it, but the experience from several workshops tells me, that the 4 points I mentioned above are reasonable swtiches | 18:41 |
| RavenholmDX | they may be reasonable, but they seem like a small use case | 18:41 |
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| rigo | because most of the invasive android apps need to connect to the IP-socket. (like a torch app). Just not letting them with a switch would be just so great :) | 18:42 |
| rigo | anyway, keep up the good work! | 18:43 |
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| tigeli | Aard: you probably love glibc even more if something like.. "[oss-security] the other glibc issue"-happens, oh it did already. ;) | 19:03 |
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| tigeli | well lets not hold our breath waiting for more interesting infromation | 19:04 |
| * Aard stares at tigeli | 19:04 | |
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| mornfall | tigeli: time to switch to BSD? :P | 19:29 |
| rigo | mornfall: BSD will also get systemd at some point in time ... | 19:30 |
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| mornfall | rigo: not bloody likely | 19:31 |
| mornfall | systemd is purposefully recent-Linux-only | 19:33 |
| mornfall | rigo: (jolla is stuck with old systemd because linux 3.4 is no longer supported by systemd) | 19:33 |
| Aard | some statistics from the engine room: https://twitter.com/bwachter/status/560519216491933697/photo/1 | 19:34 |
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| mornfall | Aard: how is that “sensitive material”? :P | 19:35 |
| Aard | mornfall: ? | 19:36 |
| mornfall | I got a twitter warning on the pic... | 19:36 |
| ryukafalz | likewise, heh | 19:37 |
| tigeli | :D | 19:37 |
| tigeli | yes.. it is nsfw | 19:37 |
| Aard | mornfall: ah, that's because twitter knows me :p | 19:37 |
| Sail0r | lol | 19:37 |
| kimmoli | tbr: thanks (once more) for the lsof... | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | Aard: good to hear about the android runtime stuff, i've been hoping you guys have been working on some kind of android firewall | 19:42 |
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| fennekki | ...I wonder how difficult it would be to either make two Tweetians runnable in parallel or to patch it for multi-user | 21:01 |
| fennekki | tbh I should probably just roll my own Twitter client if it's impossible to have parallels | 21:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | fennekki: should be possible | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | fingerterm does it | 21:33 |
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| fennekki | r0kk3rz: the two instances should have separate settings databases is the problem, I think | 21:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah, hmmm | 21:35 |
| r0kk3rz | that makes things tricky | 21:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | still possible, but tricky | 21:35 |
| fennekki | and even so there'd need to be an interface to *launch* the other instance with the new database | 21:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | probably doable with stdin and desktop files | 21:37 |
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| fennekki | probably, yeah | 21:37 |
| fennekki | but then you'd have a dozen Tweetian icons :D | 21:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | put them in a folder? | 21:38 |
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| fennekki | I think it'd make more sense to use a "default" profile (or just remember the last one closed, or something) and give the possibility of additional launchers | 21:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | ive never used tweetian so im not sure how that would work | 21:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i use loaders to set different default screens in sirensong | 21:40 |
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| kimmoli | toholed update: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1458520#post1458520 | 21:43 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: lbt no I won't be coming to your dinner, just to let you know | 22:39 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: will see you out and about:) | 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: yes may bump into you there somewhere, or phone and yeah:) | 22:40 |
| sledges | :)) look for people with jolla tshirts migling aroudn:) | 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: any Jolla shirts for sale? | 22:41 |
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| sledges | sebsebseb: ask on-site;) can't remember everything atm | 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: jolla site? no not signed up to that or well not yet | 22:46 |
| sledges | fosdem site | 22:46 |
| sledges | not website | 22:46 |
| sledges | but physical | 22:46 |
| sledges | you know :D | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | oh | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | ? | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | wel they have a FOSDEM t-shirt for sale sure | 22:47 |
| sledges | the campus, when you see us | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I meant a Jolla one | 22:47 |
| sledges | when you meet us, ask what prop we have, we used to give swag avay during talk's questions | 22:47 |
| sledges | if you ask a good question | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: Friday is looking great, as long as i can get in al ok to that dinner, well I just paid for it so | 22:47 |
| sledges | like pipos/shirts | 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | meet where, you didn't have a stand? | 22:48 |
| sledges | don't know about sailfish talk on saturday, but it will have surprisees | 22:48 |
| sledges | we will be mucking around | 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | oh someone is doing a talk | 22:48 |
| sledges | hence i said, people with jolla tshirts | 22:48 |
| sledges | yes | 22:48 |
| sledges | lbt | 22:48 |
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| sledges | no jolla stand this year | 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: I think you took my phone by mistake last Saturday, your back to the old version :D | 22:49 |
| sledges | just like last year, but that wasn't a problem:) we met and we gotten met by others anyway:) | 22:49 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: yea sure :p | 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: well have you checked it was right phone? | 22:50 |
| sledges | the white one had update10, and still does;) | 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | you checked? | 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | heh | 22:50 |
| sledges | the black one i kept close anyway | 22:51 |
| sledges | i used it today | 22:51 |
| sledges | didn't have any hairy thoughts of you swapping it :p | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: yeah seems I got the right one | 22:51 |
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| sebsebseb | anway thinking of updating it proerly before going away | 22:51 |
| sledges | tick tock ;) | 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | and putting some stuff on that can entertainn me when I am probably bored at times in hotel room | 22:51 |
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| sledges | tmi | 22:52 |
| sledges | :D | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | no like games and things like that | 22:52 |
| sledges | yes ofc | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | tommorwo evening is looking like it's not going to be that exciting | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | since | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | yeah | 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | was going to posisbly have dinner with some people, that I haven't met, but looks like that won't be happening now | 22:53 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: but in the end it urns out going early works well, I can see hte RMS talk now :) | 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | didn't even know about that before when booking plane tickets | 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | I saw him speak in Bath, like two years ago, it's impressivve, non stop for two hour except water breaks | 22:54 |
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| sledges | lucky you :) | 22:55 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: Did you see todays news about Apple uh | 22:55 |
| sledges | nope, busy working | 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | how they have earnt like 12 billion in the last three months of last year uh | 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | 12 million whatver it was, a lot though yes | 22:55 |
| sledges | lucky them;) | 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | time to get some Jolla out htere to the main strem some how hmm :D | 22:56 |
| sledges | how humm indeed:)) | 22:56 |
| sledges | that's what kept me busy, today everyday | 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: to may ignorants when it dcomes to tech, and a lot of them think Apple is so great, hence why they are the most profitable company, plus they sell their products expensive | 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly what Apple earnt in the last three months of last year, would take Tesco 10 years toearn, according to the BBC News report | 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: what trying to get Jolla to become more popular you mean? | 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | Jolla/salifishos | 22:59 |
| sledges | every little helps ;) | 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I guess :) and that sounds like Tesco or Asda whievver supermarket it was | 23:00 |
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