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| flux | so, I got my pebble. but pebble 0.4 by smoku doesn't seem to like to connect to it :/. the bluetooth is paired, though. | 13:59 |
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| flux | I wonder if it could be because the pebble came with fw v1.14.4 | 13:59 |
| flux | or do I really need to find some Android device to set it up? | 14:00 |
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| the_mgt | flux: you need to update the pebble to the latest firmware, 2.something | 14:18 |
| flux | right, so I need an android to do that :) | 14:19 |
| the_mgt | aye | 14:20 |
| the_mgt | or an apple | 14:20 |
| Sail0r | firmware update feature is already on roadmap | 14:22 |
| the_mgt | also, Pebble by smoku is on version 0.15-1 | 14:22 |
| flux | hmm | 14:22 |
| flux | so that's not in warehouse? | 14:22 |
| the_mgt | it is, warehouse messes things up sometimes, deactivate the repo and reactivate it | 14:23 |
| Sail0r | it's in warehouse | 14:23 |
| the_mgt | it wouldn't update for me, from 0.13 to most recent until i reenabled the repo | 14:23 |
| Sail0r | maybe you used this repo? https://openrepos.net/content/htheb/pebbled | 14:23 |
| Sail0r | that's the righ one https://openrepos.net/content/smoku/pebble | 14:23 |
| the_mgt | nope | 14:24 |
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| locusf | warehouse is stupid and install 0.4 instead | 14:31 |
| locusf | just had this happen in the weekend | 14:31 |
| flux | well, now I have 2.8.1 on the device, and been waiting for 6 minutes for warehouse to manage the check for updates operation :) | 14:35 |
| flux | jolla is warm :) | 14:36 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 14:56 |
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| flux | works fine now, though. will play more with it at home.. :) | 15:00 |
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| flux | so far it has installed only modern watchface, but pdometer aand morpheuz just loop infinitely :/ | 18:17 |
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| Sail0r | create a bug report @ flux | 18:26 |
| Sail0r | https://github.com/smokku/pebble/issues | 18:26 |
| flux | no known workarounds? | 18:27 |
| Sail0r | I don't think so the app support is brand new | 18:29 |
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| the_mgt | flux: install with android | 18:57 |
| the_mgt | and then see if you can configure it via jolla | 18:57 |
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| flux | I only have access to one at the office.. | 19:06 |
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| Sail0r | shouldn't jolla be on that list, too? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uDdDyheNY_-Z3MtuNoFdBYBooBnUTmlYCOZ3VhcN9Sw/edit?pli=1#gid=0 | 19:23 |
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| flux | hmm, I managed to install Pedometer, after a very long wait, though it does crash. is it typical for the uploads to take eons? | 19:42 |
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| eennaam | i guess there is no mouse support? | 20:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | eennaam: going to use a bt mouse with your jolla? | 20:24 |
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| eennaam | r0kk3rz: if possible yes | 20:28 |
| eennaam | keyboard works | 20:28 |
| fennekki | eennaam: using a mouse with the jolla seems... ridiculously awkward due to the amount of stuff that needs or is easier to do with gestures | 20:29 |
| r0kk3rz | i have no idea whether lipstick supports such a thing | 20:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i would expect lower levels to be able to deal with it just fine | 20:32 |
| eennaam | it connects | 20:33 |
| eennaam | just fine | 20:33 |
| eennaam | maybe not, jolla says i have to enter 0000 on the mouse ... :/ | 20:33 |
| r0kk3rz | hahaha | 20:33 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that might prove an issue | 20:34 |
| r0kk3rz | you might be able to pair it from command line | 20:34 |
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| eennaam | hmm it says connected now, doest ask for the code anymore | 20:35 |
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| eennaam | no support from lipstick probably | 20:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | could be even higher than lipstick, and more a lack of support in silica | 20:37 |
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| eennaam | so i just install lqxde | 20:38 |
| eennaam | or what it was called | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | ? | 20:39 |
| eennaam | lxde qt | 20:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | that sounds like a lot of effort to go through | 20:41 |
| Niju | Can the Jolla do what old Nokia's could and ring an alarm when the phone is switched off? | 20:42 |
| ottulo | yup | 20:42 |
| ottulo | I haven't tested it myself, but they did say it has the feature | 20:43 |
| Niju | Awesome! I never did find a way to do that on android | 20:43 |
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| fennekki | it should be easy to test by setting an alarm to expire in one minute and powering off | 20:44 |
| Niju | I will when I get it. :) | 20:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | really? intriguing | 20:49 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont quite understand why you need an alarm when you're phones off | 20:50 |
| r0kk3rz | but sure why not | 20:50 |
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| Obi-Lan | old nokia had alarm working even it had battery empty and phone shutdown | 20:51 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: alarm clock when the phone is turned off for the night or even have shut down because of low battery.. pretty essential if you want it as only alarm clock | 20:51 |
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| fennekki | Obi-Lan: the battery won't have been empty, it'd be a physical impossibility for that to happen. It might not have enough charge to properly stay on, though | 20:51 |
| svuorela | yeah. going to sleep after your phone number has been slashdotted and still able to use the phone as a alarm clock. | 20:52 |
| Niju | Yeah, in the old nokia days you could atually switch your phone off for the night and the alarm would still wake you up in the morning | 20:52 |
| ottulo | r0kk3rz: or when you want to avoid calls/messages during the night but still want an alarm | 20:52 |
| Niju | exactly :) | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | ottulo: thats what flight mode is for | 20:52 |
| ottulo | ofc now you can simply switch to airplane mode | 20:52 |
| Obi-Lan | fennekki: or battery gained little power after phone was shutdown | 20:52 |
| ottulo | r0kk3rz: but it wasn't when the old Nokias were around | 20:53 |
| ottulo | plus if the only thing you want from the phone is to wake you up, it's kinda useless to have it consume battery all night :) | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | the jolla consumes practically nothing over night | 20:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | even without flight mode enabled | 20:53 |
| fennekki | Obi-Lan: possible, yes | 20:54 |
| fennekki | r0kk3rz: depends on what you run | 20:54 |
| ottulo | sure, I'm not saying it's mandatory nowadays, but I can see the appeal | 20:54 |
| fennekki | r0kk3rz: It's not uncommon for me to lose 20% overnight | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | fennekki: really? what are you running? | 20:54 |
| fennekki | Android apps | 20:55 |
| fennekki | c: | 20:55 |
| r0kk3rz | the graph in system monitor is extremely flat over night for me | 20:55 |
| fennekki | whenever I don't have alien active in idle I lose practically nothing | 20:55 |
| r0kk3rz | but if you really cared you might kill a few things over night | 20:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | i dont tend to leave many apps open anyway | 20:57 |
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| Niju | So what kinda battery life are you getting with your usage? | 21:01 |
| Niju | over all | 21:01 |
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| fennekki | I usually get one day of usage but again, if my phone uses 20% overnight at worst, this might not reflect a common usage case for most people | 21:02 |
| Obi-Lan | >2 days | 21:03 |
| Obi-Lan | though I mostly use just mail | 21:03 |
| attah | i get 3 sometimes with normal usage :) | 21:04 |
| attah | 4 if i just do email | 21:04 |
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| the_mgt | up to 4 days on low usage, just reading incoming mails and some phone calls. less than 5% drain overnight | 21:05 |
| the_mgt | with pebble connected, about 2 days | 21:05 |
| Niju | Going by that I should get maybe 2 days then | 21:06 |
| Niju | I message a fair bit and browse | 21:06 |
| the_mgt | sometimes 1 day, if i playback music via bluetooth and use the pebble | 21:06 |
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| Niju | is there a current/power drain app or is that part of sailfish? | 21:06 |
| attah | music, low coverage, and the works still won't make it last less than a day :) | 21:07 |
| the_mgt | I use Lighthouse app sometimes, and there is another one | 21:07 |
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| the_mgt | gps, mobile data, bluetooth and wifi is always on here, lots of wifi connectivity for me | 21:07 |
| the_mgt | oh, and rather good network coverage, due to moving around in a large town. I heard from a friend in sweden, living in a rural place, that his battery drains from network seeking alone | 21:08 |
| attah | the_mgt: still nowhere as bad as the N9 on that front hough.. i could drain it in 15-20 minutes :P | 21:10 |
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| attah | Niju: there is the built-in "powertop" seems good, but i have little experience of using it | 21:11 |
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| Niju | I'd be interested to know rough standby current ma or power Wh numbers | 21:11 |
| messerting | Hi, please help, my touch screen has stopped working. I can ssh to the phone, is there anything in dmesg that can confirm that the touch device is broken? | 21:11 |
| messerting | tapping power button works, and screen works | 21:12 |
| messerting | I cannot unlock, since it is not responing to touch | 21:12 |
| Niju | attah: I use powertop on Linux :) | 21:12 |
| Niju | didn't know it was on sailfish :D | 21:12 |
| attah | it's very "Linux" :) | 21:12 |
| Niju | :) | 21:13 |
| attah | not at all as gated as android.. you can actually do stuff from the command line | 21:13 |
| attah | ..like poking around the package manager | 21:14 |
| Mikaela | finding the package manager was lovely, I just installed Python and then pip to Python and then I got Limnoria (IRC bot) running on it | 21:15 |
| Mikaela | good night | 21:15 |
| messerting | is this the touch device?: [TP] read A8h 1 bytes return failure, -110 | 21:16 |
| messerting | also have: [TP] Failed to read CTPM Vendor ID[0xa8]:0x0 (rc=-110) | 21:16 |
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| messerting | ok, I found this https://together.jolla.com/question/60696/i2c-problem-all-sensor-tests-show-a-fail/ | 21:20 |
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| messerting | Is there a way to extract all contacts to a .vcs file from the command line one the jolla? | 21:23 |
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| Sail0r | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202459088-How-do-I-copy-my-contacts-from-Jolla-to-another-phone-or-a-computer- | 21:26 |
| Sail0r | @ messerting | 21:26 |
| Sail0r | it's not commandline but works | 21:27 |
| messerting | Sail0r: Thanks! | 21:27 |
| Sail0r | as root maybe vcardconverter -e filename.vcs should work | 21:28 |
| messerting | Very nice to have that all.vcf file in the .vault! | 21:28 |
| messerting | Will have to go back to my good old N9 for I while I guess | 21:28 |
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| Sail0r | why? | 21:28 |
| messerting | touch device stopped working on Jolla | 21:29 |
| messerting | maybe proximity sensor | 21:29 |
| messerting | don't know, will contact care | 21:29 |
| Sail0r | ah ok | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | messerting: you can do some probing with mcetool | 21:30 |
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| messerting | r0kk3rz: ok, how? | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | trying to find a decent reference | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | through the GUI you can certainly test all hardware with it | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | but that probably wont help you | 21:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | you can use cli flags to disable the prox sensor | 21:31 |
| falfa | My usb connector is breaking down, its trashed :-( | 21:31 |
| ajiajijai | hi, has anyone experienced issues while resetting password for jolla/together.jolla.com account? I reset it several times; it says, reset succesful, but when I try to log in, it fails. | 21:32 |
| messerting | r0kk3rz: excerpt of my dmesg: http://fpaste.org/171626/42170314/ | 21:32 |
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| messerting | r0kk3rz: I tried "mcetool --set-ps-mode=disabled", but that didn't help - still not responding to taps | 21:34 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah contact care then | 21:35 |
| messerting | will do. Pity I can't use my Jolla for a while :/ | 21:37 |
| Nicd- | hmm | 21:37 |
| Nicd- | my sshd is saying "sshd[20737]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/nemo" | 21:38 |
| Nicd- | so it refuses my key | 21:38 |
| Nicd- | what's the modes for /home/nemo supposed to be? | 21:38 |
| Nicd- | currently they are drwxrwxr-x nemo system | 21:38 |
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| teve | chmod 750 | 21:39 |
| keithzg | Nicd-: On my Jolla they're "drwxr-x--- nemo nemo" | 21:39 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, wonder why system owns it | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | chown it to nemo | 21:40 |
| Nicd- | well, setting 0750 fixed it | 21:40 |
| Nicd- | didn't need to chown to nemo:nemo | 21:40 |
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| * keithzg is unrepentantly newschool in some ways; never bothered to learn octal for permissions, would rather do "chmod og-w" and such. | 21:43 | |
| stephg | ew ;) | 21:45 |
| keithzg | Oh, my affinity for things which directly represent the result rather than the mechanical state underlying it gets even worse: I tend to use nano :P | 21:46 |
| * keithzg braces for the barrage of rotten tomatoes | 21:47 | |
| r0kk3rz | using octal is needlessly low level | 21:47 |
| r0kk3rz | its like 'i know, how can we make setting permissions even more obtuse than it already is' | 21:47 |
| * stephg doesn't see any difference | 21:47 | |
| stephg | well to be fair it's outmoded, incomplete and obsolete :) | 21:48 |
| stephg | tbh I find og-w much harder to read... | 21:48 |
| keithzg | As is your perogative as someone who's learned the octal representations! But for myself, seeing "g (group) o (others) - (remove/subtract) w (write permissions)" is waaaaay more straightforward. | 21:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah if you know the concept of how linux file permissions work | 21:52 |
| r0kk3rz | then its pretty easy to learn the symbols | 21:52 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than first looking at a directory in rwxrwxr-x notation | 21:53 |
| r0kk3rz | converting that to octal | 21:53 |
| r0kk3rz | then figuring out what number to give to chmod to change what you want | 21:53 |
| r0kk3rz | instead of saying 'well i want to add execute permissions to everyone' | 21:53 |
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| the_mgt | +1 for nano and og-w | 21:56 |
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