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| jubo2 | Konversation - Great Justice | 01:01 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:59 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, was just helping a new jolla user irl | 10:32 |
| ShadowJK | projek | 10:32 |
| ShadowJK | problem was calls disappearing when he tried to answer | 10:33 |
| ShadowJK | ... figured out cause is the 'flip to silence' feature. | 10:34 |
| ShadowJK | Phone rings, user retrieves phone from locket | 10:34 |
| ShadowJK | 10:34 | |
| ShadowJK | user turns phone upside down to unlock protective case which has strap and button on backside | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 10:35 |
| ShadowJK | call 'mysteriously' disappears | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | contact care with that issue, please | 10:35 |
| ShadowJK | couldn't find this anywhere in settings though | 10:35 |
| ShadowJK | oh god, how do you do that again? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | jolla.zendesk.com | 10:36 |
| tbr | because having an email address was too easy *snerk* | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect this helps getting most FAQs asked first | 10:41 |
| ShadowJK | tbh, email is no better for thus person :) | 10:42 |
| ShadowJK | this | 10:42 |
| TemeV | ShadowJK: but the call can still be answered, right? | 10:43 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: sure, it's still interesting how certain things get thrown under the bus in the name of a "streamlined process" | 10:43 |
| ShadowJK | maybe, but it goes into call bistory, doing things from there is hard | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | considering care's humongous backlog.. | 10:44 |
| TemeV | Oh, it rejects the call instead of silencing? | 10:44 |
| TemeV | I haven't tried that functionality with Jolla yet | 10:44 |
| Teme | O_o | 10:44 |
| Teme | me neither, but i assumed it's just silence | 10:45 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I don't doubt that it's done for good reasons, that's not my point. | 10:45 |
| Teme | if you silence a call, it "disappears" to the phone application or the notification screen | 10:45 |
| * Stskeeps learns about repo sync -c | 10:45 | |
| kimmoli | i had experience with mapbagrag flip..pull case. i put one jolla (shutdown) there, and while sliding it in, powerbutton got pressed - and it turned on. and the i was wondering where those calendar reminder sounds are coming from | 10:45 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't reject, but goes to call history where it says ignoring next to it or something like that, it was in finnish | 10:48 |
| kimmoli | iirc you should see the call also in lock screen? Call in progress | 10:48 |
| ShadowJK | maybe | 10:49 |
| ShadowJK | let's see if he has progressed far enough to use lockscreen | 10:50 |
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| ShadowJK | ok, phone app is left on for a few seconds, then it went to multitasking view | 10:52 |
| ShadowJK | and going back to phone app, it required pulley menus to answer | 10:53 |
| ShadowJK | (not entirely sure if he was aware of those before) | 10:53 |
| xfade_ | kimmoli: Afaik your device wakes up for RTC alarm anyway | 10:55 |
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| flux | for clock alarm, but for calendar alarm as well? | 10:56 |
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| xfade_ | Not sure, might be | 10:56 |
| xfade_ | I always have my phone on, so ;) | 10:56 |
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| kimmoli | not for calendar alarm | 10:57 |
| kimmoli | and iirc i have uninstalled calendar app, removed calendar-sync from accounts. | 10:57 |
| kimmoli | on that device, but still i get weekly reminder | 10:57 |
| xfade_ | Yeah, it seems it doesn't clean the db | 10:57 |
| xfade_ | I guess that deleting the calendar db will stop that from happening | 10:58 |
| kimmoli | it works as reminder to charge it | 10:58 |
| xfade_ | hehe :) | 10:58 |
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| urs | mine wakes up for calendar alarms every day at department tea break. | 11:26 |
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| Wnt | when running Spotify on a normal Android device, does the playback pause when you disconnect headphones from the device? | 11:59 |
| melonipoika | Wnt yes it does | 12:00 |
| Wnt | is there an equivalent of MPRIS on the Android platform? http://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/ | 12:00 |
| Wnt | Jolla / their android support partner should create a binding from the Sailfish MPRIS to the Android layer | 12:01 |
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| flux | well, it used to work in jolla android as well.. | 12:06 |
| tbr | Wnt: check if there is an TJC item, if not, write one. would upvote | 12:06 |
| flux | but then it stopped working, at least in the player I used. | 12:06 |
| Wnt | tbr: writing one now :) | 12:06 |
| flux | but nowadays the music playing from android is broken even worse :P | 12:06 |
| Wnt | https://together.jolla.com/question/76775/android-support-pause-playback-on-headphone-disconnect/ | 12:08 |
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| Wnt | there is also occasional clicks and pops in Android Spotify playback at least on my device | 12:10 |
| Wnt | probably caused by some buffer underruns | 12:10 |
| Wnt | too bad Spotify still hasn't released their native sailfish client! | 12:10 |
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| tbr | Wnt: I think they changed how they use audio at some point as mysatroker is one | 12:11 |
| Wnt | or a more feature complete open API | 12:11 |
| tbr | gone | 12:11 |
| j-doge | Wnt: you can try CuteSpotify from openrepos if you're up for an adventure :P | 12:11 |
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| Wnt | j-doge: unfortunatelly that one doesn't have support for Spotify radio | 12:11 |
| Wnt | which is one of my most used features of Spotify | 12:11 |
| j-doge | it doesn't have support for quite a lot of other features either | 12:12 |
| j-doge | sadly | 12:12 |
| tadzik | blockify support? :) | 12:12 |
| Wnt | as the Spotify library doesn't have support for it | 12:12 |
| Wnt | this would be so nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy1hfZLNrLI | 12:12 |
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| phlixi | Hi, | 13:21 |
| phlixi | I tried to browse to a page hosted on a local server, like http://192.168.178.251/foo.html | 13:22 |
| phlixi | but that does not work with sailfish default browser, is this aknown bug? Or am I missing something? | 13:23 |
| phlixi | the browser claims unable to connect, connection was refused | 13:24 |
| phlixi | however, it works fine with firefox | 13:24 |
| xfade_ | Are you sure you are not on 3G/4G by accident? | 13:24 |
| phlixi | there is no real network problem, it wirks with firefox (I guess you wrote this before you read about firefox) | 13:25 |
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| xfade_ | Yeah, firefox on device I assume. | 13:26 |
| phlixi | I also tried a different server with a different IP , same result, works with firefox (on jolla) but does not work with default browser | 13:26 |
| phlixi | yes, of course :-) | 13:26 |
| xfade_ | try to disable mobile data. Maybe there is still a route set. | 13:26 |
| phlixi | also there is no typo, its both times the full URL scanned, copied and pasted | 13:26 |
| phlixi | does change nothing | 13:28 |
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| xfade_ | It works for me on my local webserver using ip address. | 13:29 |
| phlixi | :( | 13:29 |
| xfade_ | Try restarting your network or rebooting. See if it helps. | 13:30 |
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| phlixi | restarting the network did not help, now restarting the phone... | 13:34 |
| phlixi | also restart did not help :( | 13:36 |
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| tbr | wow, certificate management is coming :D | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | how do you know? | 13:43 |
| Nicd- | next update notes out already? | 13:43 |
| pp | nemomobile github? | 13:43 |
| phlixi | I hope bugfixes are coming... | 13:44 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: comment on the WPA enterprise TJC | 13:52 |
| kimmoli | iekku: mailed just some tohids to dev'care. shipping them today. | 13:55 |
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| iekku | kimmoli, fw done | 13:57 |
| kimmoli | iekku: tnx. (there is also one pending Q) | 13:58 |
| iekku | kimmoli, on my to do list | 13:59 |
| kimmoli | ok | 14:00 |
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| pp | they've answered quite a few open questions on TJC recently, nice | 14:04 |
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| fennekki | hup | 14:14 |
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| fennekki | got memory corruption in whatsapp android app | 14:14 |
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| fennekki | screen got messed up and reboot | 14:15 |
| fennekki | just after sending a recorded video | 14:15 |
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| TMavica | https://twitter.com/iAncelad/status/555700645333045248 | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | er.. didn't his former device get stolen too | 15:09 |
| Hartzi | tough luck or conspiracy | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | tough neighbourhood? | 15:17 |
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| TMavica | stolen in train | 15:18 |
| TMavica | really nothing can say | 15:19 |
| TMavica | 1 week Jolla got stolen in train, the theif steal it in his pocket when the train is crowded | 15:19 |
| flux | too bad the new software is so easy to unlock | 15:20 |
| flux | ;-) | 15:20 |
| flux | I mean too easy to bypass the lock screen that is, with the double tap of power button | 15:20 |
| Hartzi | I'm sure the thief was like wtf is this phone?!?!?!?! :) | 15:20 |
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| SQUelcher | nobody wants to steal my e90.. :P | 15:26 |
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| tadzik | flux: how do you bypass the lockscreen with the doubletap on the power button? | 15:35 |
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| flux | I don't mean the code-lockscreen but the regular black screen | 15:38 |
| flux | maybe it needed to be enabled, it's a new feature regardless | 15:38 |
| flux | stepts to use: press power screen twice in succession, arrive at task view | 15:39 |
| Yaniel | unless the device has a lock code | 15:39 |
| flux | yes. | 15:39 |
| tadzik | well, I used the automatic locking since I got my phone | 15:39 |
| tadzik | if you don't, you have no one but yourself to blame | 15:39 |
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| tadzik | hardly a "bypass" if you leave your door open | 15:39 |
| flux | it's only a usability-bypass | 15:40 |
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| flux | does it work, though, with autolock as well, if the autolock has not yet engaged? | 15:40 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 15:40 |
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| flux | now it's almost as bearable as n900 was for returning to the last application :) | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | if the code lock timer has not yet timed out it goes straight to task view | 15:41 |
| tadzik | wow | 15:42 |
| tadzik | TIL | 15:42 |
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| Lipevakala | Hello, do we have a 3G/4G switch for SailfishOS? Is difficult to find 4G again if you once lose that connection... | 15:49 |
| Morpog_PC | And, of course, we would not be a device and software company if we did not have new devices on our roadmap. Stay tuned for news about this. | 15:50 |
| Morpog_PC | https://blog.jolla.com/from-2014-to-2015/ | 15:50 |
| flux | "At Jolla, we respect privacy as a core human right, and we build our operating system and devices respecting privacy." - well, it doesn't (?) send private information out by default, but there's hardly anything stopping an app from doing just that :) | 15:55 |
| flux | other than the jolla store app review | 15:55 |
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| tadzik | what else do you want to be there, DPI looking for your private data in whatever's sent from the device? :P | 15:56 |
| flux | maybe some limits on what a piece of software can access.. | 15:56 |
| flux | you know, like android, but actually properly implemented :) | 15:57 |
| tadzik | heh | 15:57 |
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| tadzik | speaking of "like android", I really want this "who ate my mobile data" feature | 15:57 |
| flux | you want to know which apps have used data? | 15:57 |
| tadzik | yeah | 15:58 |
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| flux | iptables could be used for finding that out for outbound data, but at some point the inbound feature (per pid) was removed due to it being buggy.. doesn't seem to be there yet. | 15:59 |
| msvb-lab | flur: Are you the same Mr. Flux who's helping organize the Mozilla DE meeting? | 15:59 |
| flux | no | 15:59 |
| msvb-lab | Okay, number of flux's then I guess. | 16:00 |
| flux | :) | 16:00 |
| flux | it could probably be worked around with the virtual output interface used for traffic shaping | 16:00 |
| flux | actually, on second though, no it couldn't :/ | 16:00 |
| msvb-lab | flux: I like your comment regardless, and since I don't have a Jolla device now I know more about its privacy and permissions control. | 16:00 |
| msvb-lab | BB10 actually lets you select which of the permissions to (dis|en)able. | 16:01 |
| flux | another approach: add a user queue target for iptables that consults /proc for finding who the particular connection belongs to | 16:01 |
| msvb-lab | Very granular and nice, but probably could be improved on as well. | 16:01 |
| flux | msvb-lab, but the permissions need to be very fine-grained.. and on the other hand, they need to be easily understood by the user. | 16:02 |
| flux | android has these big permissions, that only relate to a capability, but not to an object. so you can have ability to access all the internet, you cannot just have the ability to connect a certain website (such as a data backend of the software) | 16:03 |
| rigoo | flux: the probability is higher if you install android apps. | 16:04 |
| flux | rigoo, probability for what? | 16:04 |
| rigoo | I would really like to have the android-VM sandboxed in some way to avoid those apps phoning home | 16:04 |
| flux | well, at least the android apps have a permission system, all you need is a tool to change the permissions | 16:05 |
| flux | right? | 16:05 |
| rigoo | flux: for data leaks | 16:05 |
| rigoo | I think permissions in jolla are better organised than in android | 16:06 |
| flux | what permissions? | 16:06 |
| rigoo | acl | 16:06 |
| flux | are ACLs used in Jolla? | 16:06 |
| rigoo | it just a plain linux box | 16:07 |
| flux | and acls limit only access to file system objects | 16:07 |
| flux | not services | 16:07 |
| rigoo | flux: do you use bash or tcsh? | 16:07 |
| flux | in jolla? bash. | 16:07 |
| flux | who in their right mind you use tcsh.. | 16:08 |
| flux | s/you/would/ | 16:08 |
| flux | on all other computers, zsh all the way! | 16:08 |
| rigoo | ok, then you know that drivers have their equivalent in the sys filesystem | 16:09 |
| flux | in any case, it's not just a matter of permission systems existing, they must be used as well. and in jolla all user apps (except android apps) run as the user himself. acls cannot be used to protect against the user's own processes accessing data of the user in the filesystem.. | 16:09 |
| flux | yes, I know about sysfs | 16:10 |
| rigoo | oh, you mean jolla apps as opposed to android apps? | 16:10 |
| flux | yes | 16:11 |
| rigoo | jolla apps use AFAIK the QML system | 16:12 |
| rigoo | which is plain qt | 16:12 |
| flux | well, does qt have a permission system? I don't think so.. | 16:12 |
| rigoo | and I haven't heard anybody saying that my KDE is very vulnerable | 16:12 |
| rigoo | flux: I'm not deep enough into dbus to answer. Again, you could just port apparmor from Suse or some such | 16:13 |
| flux | you have the source code to all KDE apps you are running | 16:13 |
| flux | and they are compiled by 'a trusted party', ie. your distribution vendor | 16:13 |
| rigoo | no | 16:13 |
| rigoo | I'm not using debian :) | 16:14 |
| flux | there is absolutely nothing in KDE to prevent uploading all of your home directory to teh internets.. | 16:14 |
| flux | along with your mozilla saved passwords etc. | 16:14 |
| rigoo | in android either, if your torch app wants to access the internet in order to install and 90% of the people click yes | 16:15 |
| flux | or if you have a bb10 or cyanogenmod, you can just say you don't want flashlight to access the internet, and that's the end of that.. | 16:15 |
| flux | also I don't think they can access your browser passwords even if they do have internet access | 16:16 |
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| flux | of course, the application can choose to not work in that case, but at least there is a choice ;) | 16:16 |
| rigoo | they can't access mine neither on the phone nor on the computer, all crypted | 16:16 |
| rigoo | BTW, http://www.w3.org/2014/privacyws/ | 16:16 |
| flux | they can upload your ~/.ssh with your ssh private key | 16:16 |
| flux | or they can replace your ~/.bashrc with one that logs all your terminal input | 16:17 |
| flux | (with an appropriate middleware program) | 16:17 |
| rigoo | interesting. So you want to run apps under a app-user | 16:17 |
| flux | it's not required. for example, n9 had an alternative mechanism. | 16:18 |
| * rigoo is still using his N9 | 16:18 | |
| flux | well, if you haven't inceptionized it, you will find that there is some data under ~ you simply cannot access in any way.. only the apps that were installed from the proper source can access it. | 16:19 |
| rigoo | flux: yes, a long way to go for jolla to get back on that level. On the other hand, there is a tradeoff between making a device for your grandma and some open platform phone | 16:19 |
| flux | or where that encrypted data storage was placed | 16:19 |
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| rigoo | flux: precisely the reason why I haven't inceptionized | 16:19 |
| rigoo | and jolla has still a long way to go. But the basis is there. BTW, I think KDE has permissions in the dbus sessions. You can switch services on and off etc | 16:20 |
| rigoo | rogue apps are actually addressed by the vendor app-store model that gives the money to verify | 16:21 |
| flux | well, binary checking is inherently impossible.. though good tools to do it do exist. | 16:23 |
| flux | there is just probably so little interest to do jolla attacks that they don't exist. or we don't know about them :P. | 16:23 |
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| rigoo | flux: the usual testing is to put the phone into a sandbox and wait for traffic :) | 16:29 |
| rigoo | that's how the CNIL did | 16:29 |
| rigoo | but if you're an app-store, you can require source code in order to put something on the store | 16:30 |
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| rigoo | I could imagine several levels of store: 1/ trusted (jolla knows the guy and had a beer) 2/ normal app-store testing 3/ wild west | 16:31 |
| flux | 1) jolla themselves 2) jolla store 3) warehouse | 16:31 |
| flux | if you're smart, your app won't get triggered by any testing | 16:32 |
| flux | for example, it could enable crafty functionality only during the time 2015-02-02 02:02:02 .. 02:02:03 ;-) | 16:32 |
| rigoo | than your ability to monitor are limited to one update per year | 16:33 |
| rigoo | in the meantime, the storage overflows :) | 16:33 |
| rigoo | for the moment, I trust that the sharks target the big swarm :) | 16:34 |
| rigoo | in case, jolla becomes mainstream (let's hope) we put BSD on it | 16:35 |
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| anYc | is there a changelog for the here app somewhere? especially for 1.0.25.1 | 17:32 |
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| attah | From Antti Saarnio's blog post "bring new devices to the market", note the plural :) | 19:50 |
| Waitee | well they already brought two | 19:51 |
| attah | Ah.. regarding plans for 2015 | 19:51 |
| attah | i.e. tablet and something else | 19:52 |
| Harhaanjohtaja | And, of course, we would not be a device and software company if we did not have new devices on our roadmap. Stay tuned for news about this. | 19:54 |
| TemeV | Anyone here familiar with timedclient? | 19:54 |
| TemeV | how can I make an event happen in specific hours | 19:55 |
| attah | Harhaanjohtaja: Of course :) But it's always nice to hear things are progressing well | 19:56 |
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| attah | TemeV: The help gives nothing useful? | 19:58 |
| TemeV | attah: nope | 19:58 |
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| TemeV | it does say "hour=<hour>", but doesn't specify what I can put in place of <hour> | 19:59 |
| TemeV | other than plain number | 19:59 |
| attah | other things such as? | 20:00 |
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| TemeV | several hours | 20:00 |
| TemeV | or something like 9-17 | 20:01 |
| attah | but aren't you meant to specify one specific point in time? | 20:01 |
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| attah | what do you want to achieve? | 20:01 |
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| TemeV | what ever could be done with cron | 20:02 |
| TemeV | maybe I just have to install cron | 20:02 |
| attah | that's one way to do it | 20:03 |
| TemeV | systemd timer didn't seem to work when then phone is asleep | 20:03 |
| attah | but for example you want every x minutes for some hours? | 20:03 |
| attah | that's odd.. i'd immagine it is the thing that would work whereas cron might not | 20:04 |
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| TemeV | I don't know if I did something wrong, but for me the systemd didn't work | 20:04 |
| TemeV | and I hear cron does | 20:05 |
| attah | not at all or not supporting sleep? | 20:06 |
| TemeV | not working when the phone is sleeping | 20:07 |
| TemeV | when display is on, it works | 20:07 |
| TemeV | and also it worked when charger was connected | 20:07 |
| attah | i'll try with display off | 20:07 |
| attah | seems to be working | 20:08 |
| attah | i'm using the ticker example from timedclient-qt5 | 20:08 |
| TemeV | maybe it takes some time to go to deep sleep | 20:08 |
| attah | perhaps | 20:08 |
| TemeV | so you set it with timedclient? | 20:09 |
| attah | the executable "timedclient-qt5" | 20:09 |
| TemeV | yes, that works | 20:09 |
| TemeV | but I can't set anything else but one point in time | 20:09 |
| TemeV | I want to run my script everyhour during day time | 20:10 |
| attah | okay.. | 20:10 |
| attah | it kind of looks like it could run at start time and invoke another one that is hourly | 20:10 |
| attah | if you look under ACTION ARGS | 20:11 |
| attah | it can run commands | 20:11 |
| TemeV | yes, that works also | 20:11 |
| TemeV | but problem is the schedule | 20:11 |
| TemeV | I can set it running once a day, and it works perfectly | 20:12 |
| TemeV | but I don't know how to make it run several times a day | 20:12 |
| attah | you have one daily for "start of day" and that in turn invokes one that is hourly for some amount of recurrences | 20:12 |
| attah | or am i missing something? | 20:13 |
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| TemeV | so you mean I run another timedclient-qt5 command in "start of day" which runs the actual script | 20:16 |
| attah_jolla | yes | 20:16 |
| TemeV | ok, so there is no way to do it with recurrence args | 20:17 |
| TemeV | that starts to sound too much a hack. I think I'll just install cron | 20:18 |
| attah_jolla | i interpret it as such.. i.e. recurrence acts together with the time... but i really have no idea | 20:18 |
| attah_jolla | i think its actually pretty neat | 20:19 |
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| TemeV | it would be neat, that systemd would work as it should :) | 20:21 |
| attah | i routinely to much hackier things for a living so... | 20:22 |
| TemeV | yeah, me too sometimes. But there is things I like to hack and things that I want to work :) | 20:24 |
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