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| Toxip | anyone here? | 00:10 |
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| Toxip | any idea how to access the nemo folder in recovery? :( | 00:11 |
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| phaeron | Toxip: you have ssh to the device ? | 00:21 |
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| Toxip | nvm I found this https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202514138 | 00:31 |
| Toxip | "mount -o subvol=@home /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/home" this particular command is what I was looking for | 00:32 |
| Toxip | but why does it not let me cancel a command with ctrl+c :/ | 00:33 |
| phaeron | Toxip: what are you trying to fix ? | 00:35 |
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| Toxip | trying to backup my data before I factory reset | 00:38 |
| Toxip | all visuals just stopped working after update | 00:38 |
| Toxip | it boots but shows a blank screen | 00:39 |
| M4rtinK | anything in the journal ? | 00:39 |
| Toxip | where do I find that? | 00:41 |
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| phaeron | Toxip: can you ssh to the device after it boots to black screen ? | 00:43 |
| Toxip | I'll just do the factory reset... I have littered the whole system in one year anyways :P | 00:44 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov_: just sent a reply to your mail :) | 00:44 |
| Toxip | oh yeah, I didn't try ssh over wifi | 00:44 |
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| kelvan | seems the my system is completly f*cked up now after the upgrade | 01:19 |
| Toxip | kelvan: same here... but I blame only myself for not disabling patches | 01:20 |
| Toxip | currently reinstalling all patches | 01:20 |
| kelvan | Toxip: never done any of this patching stuff | 01:20 |
| kelvan | nor the opt-in | 01:20 |
| kelvan | nevertheless it screwed up like hell | 01:21 |
| Toxip | if you don't need patchmanager, don't install it | 01:21 |
| kelvan | Toxip: never did | 01:21 |
| Toxip | good... just saying... What's wrong? | 01:21 |
| Toxip | how exactly did it screw up things? | 01:22 |
| kelvan | well, I have no idea, as it does not show anything suggesting an error | 01:22 |
| kelvan | it just doesn't boot | 01:22 |
| kelvan | or it does not boot gui | 01:22 |
| Toxip | try recovery mode | 01:22 |
| kelvan | connected over ssh and rsynced home, tried zypper ref / dup, after many upgraded packages it just shows no space on device error for essential packages, but thats plain BS | 01:23 |
| Toxip | I had a similar problem... gui just stopped working | 01:24 |
| Toxip | but it happened after I was messing around | 01:24 |
| kelvan | tried to clean cache and reload repos, but it seems it is already in an quite unconsistent state | 01:24 |
| Toxip | not sure if it was because of the update | 01:24 |
| phaeron | Toxip: did you try updating using zypper ? | 01:24 |
| phaeron | kelvan: what does zypper dup say ? | 01:24 |
| Toxip | no... I didn't bother. I just decided to clean the whole thing with a factory reset | 01:25 |
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| kelvan | ref says: | 01:26 |
| kelvan | Unexpected exception. | 01:26 |
| kelvan | Receive: script died unexpectedly | 01:26 |
| kelvan | History: | 01:26 |
| kelvan | - [11-Resource temporarily unavailable] | 01:26 |
| kelvan | dup shows the packages to update, but after confim: | 01:26 |
| kelvan | [jolla|plugin:ssu?repo=jolla] Can't provide file './qt/armv7hl/dconf-0.18.0+git2-1.1.4.armv7hl.rpm' from repository 'jolla' | 01:26 |
| phaeron | hm | 01:26 |
| phaeron | kelvan: did you check btrfs disk space ? | 01:26 |
| kelvan | yes | 01:26 |
| kelvan | more than ennough space | 01:27 |
| phaeron | using df or btrfs ? | 01:27 |
| kelvan | Data, single: total=13.08GiB, used=10.98GiB | 01:27 |
| kelvan | System, DUP: total=8.00MiB, used=4.00KiB | 01:27 |
| kelvan | System, single: total=4.00MiB, used=0.00 | 01:27 |
| kelvan | Metadata, DUP: total=330.00MiB, used=231.56MiB | 01:27 |
| kelvan | Metadata, single: total=8.00MiB, used=0.00 | 01:27 |
| kelvan | btrfs | 01:27 |
| kelvan | run into the df showing wrong stuff on my desktop pc, was quite painful :D | 01:27 |
| kelvan | there was a bug harmattan showing completly wrong df | 01:28 |
| phaeron | can you try zypper clean -a | 01:28 |
| phaeron | then zypper ref -f | 01:28 |
| phaeron | check journalctl for errors | 01:30 |
| kelvan | oh crap, killed ref with ctrl+c now zypper explodes on every command | 01:30 |
| kelvan | error: rpmdb: Thread/process 25070/1101651968 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB library | 01:30 |
| kelvan | error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery | 01:30 |
| kelvan | error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974) | 01:30 |
| kelvan | error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm | 01:30 |
| kelvan | Target initialization failed: | 01:30 |
| kelvan | Rpm Exception | 01:30 |
| kelvan | Cannot clean installed packages cache because of an error. | 01:30 |
| kelvan | Some of the repositories have not been cleaned up because of an error. | 01:30 |
| phaeron | ok one second | 01:31 |
| kelvan | journal is flooded with alien errors and qt couldn't mix | 01:31 |
| kelvan | alien_init uses up to 100% cpu | 01:31 |
| phaeron | rpm --rebuilddb | 01:32 |
| kelvan | [root@Jolla nemo]# rpm --rebuilddb | 01:33 |
| kelvan | error: rpmdb: Thread/process 25070/1101651968 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB library | 01:33 |
| kelvan | error: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery | 01:33 |
| kelvan | error: cannot open Packages index using db4 - (-30974) | 01:33 |
| kelvan | :( | 01:33 |
| phaeron | ls /var/lib/rpm/ | 01:33 |
| kelvan | Basenames Dirnames Installtid Obsoletename Providename Sha1header Triggername __db.002 __db.004 | 01:34 |
| kelvan | Conflictname Group Name Packages Requirename Sigmd5 __db.001 __db.003 | 01:34 |
| phaeron | ok now carefully: rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.* | 01:34 |
| phaeron | then rpm --rebuilddb | 01:34 |
| kelvan | seems to work, rebuild in progress | 01:37 |
| phaeron | ok after it is done try zypper ref -f | 01:38 |
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| kelvan | phaeron: db rebuild is quite slow, thx for the help, hope rebuild finishes before i fell asleep | 01:50 |
| phaeron | kelvan: the other processes must be stealing cpu | 01:52 |
| phaeron | kelvan: just be patient :) | 01:52 |
| kelvan | tried to renice alien_init, but not possible, lowered the nice value a bit of rpm | 01:53 |
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| phaeron | kelvan: you could stop alien | 01:57 |
| phaeron | kelvan: systemctl stop aliendalvik.service | 01:57 |
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| kelvan | i was to afraid it would get worse if i kill alien :) but worked | 01:58 |
| kelvan | don't see much difference in speed | 01:58 |
| kelvan | db is 10mb no was about 19 | 01:59 |
| Toxip | finally update done | 02:02 |
| salyavin | Now be sure to set an alpha-numeric PIN for saftey ;P | 02:02 |
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| salyavin | u10 seems a little more aggresive on killing things than I remember. Killed Tweetian and tt-rss. Maybe trying to stop from the poor responsiveness before. | 02:07 |
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| kelvan | [root@Jolla nemo]# zypper ref -f | 02:19 |
| kelvan | Unexpected exception. | 02:19 |
| kelvan | Receive: script died unexpectedly | 02:19 |
| kelvan | History: | 02:19 |
| kelvan | - [11-Resource temporarily unavailable] | 02:19 |
| kelvan | again | 02:19 |
| kelvan | phaeron: do you have another tip? | 02:23 |
| phaeron | kelvan: errors in the journal ? | 02:25 |
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| kelvan | Dec 19 03:14:55 Jolla ssu[4723]: [F] QObjectPrivate::QObjectPrivate:203 - Cannot mix incompatible Qt library...50202) | 02:25 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 03:14:55 Jolla kernel: ssu(4723) send signal 6 to ssu(4723) | 02:25 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 03:14:55 Jolla kernel: zypper(4713) send signal 13 to zypper(4713) | 02:25 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 03:14:55 Jolla kernel: zypper(4713) send signal 9 to ssu(4723) | 02:25 |
| kelvan | and battery related stuff | 02:25 |
| phaeron | hm | 02:28 |
| phaeron | bad situation | 02:29 |
| phaeron | so basically only part of Qt was updated | 02:31 |
| kelvan | jup | 02:32 |
| kelvan | are there many packages? | 02:32 |
| phaeron | you probably need only a couple to get out of this | 02:32 |
| kelvan | maybe its possible to load them with wget and use rpm directly | 02:32 |
| phaeron | yes | 02:32 |
| phaeron | trying to get you urls | 02:32 |
| kelvan | thx a lot | 02:33 |
| tadzik | wow, glad I didn't try that alphanumeric unlock yet | 02:35 |
| phaeron | kelvan: curl -O 'https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.1.1.24/jolla/armv7hl/qt/armv7hl/qt5-qtcore-5.2.1+git11-1.18.3.armv7hl.rpm' | 02:35 |
| phaeron | better to pastebin the list | 02:36 |
| phaeron | sec | 02:36 |
| phaeron | kelvan: http://pastebin.com/whxqAvEy | 02:38 |
| phaeron | tadzik: it only happens if you switch back and forth multiple times | 02:39 |
| tadzik | not too interested in alphanum locking anyway, I'll pass :) | 02:40 |
| phaeron | kelvan: there is one more https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.1.1.24/jolla/armv7hl/qt/armv7hl/qt5-qtxml-5.2.1+git11-1.18.3.armv7hl.rpm | 02:41 |
| phaeron | hopefully should be enough to make ssu work and thus zypper works | 02:41 |
| kelvan | thanks a lot, downloaded, will try to install | 02:41 |
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| kelvan | curl doesn't handle redirect and loads html files, using wget works, but shows odd cert warning | 02:44 |
| phaeron | ah curl would need -L | 02:45 |
| Toxip | does anyone else notice lagging when scrolling lists? | 02:47 |
| Toxip | in the new update | 02:47 |
| Toxip | or more like stuttering | 02:48 |
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| phaeron | kelvan: how is it going | 02:58 |
| kelvan | ref -f worked with some errors, like Repository 'xt9' is invalid. | 02:58 |
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| kelvan | no qt errors in log | 02:59 |
| kelvan | dup is working hard | 02:59 |
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| kelvan | adaptation0/1 invalid, not sure if they are essential | 02:59 |
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| phaeron | kelvan: hm | 03:01 |
| phaeron | kelvan: stop the zypper dup | 03:01 |
| phaeron | those are essential | 03:01 |
| kelvan | Error building the cache: | 03:01 |
| kelvan | [|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s) | 03:01 |
| kelvan | Warning: Disabling repository 'aliendalvik' because of the above error. | 03:01 |
| phaeron | journal errors ? (after stopping the dup) | 03:02 |
| kelvan | no errors | 03:02 |
| kelvan | only from store-client and batterytracker | 03:03 |
| phaeron | kelvan: what does store client complain about ? | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:54 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: Activating service name='com.jolla.jollastore' | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:54 Jolla invoker[6632]: error: Failed to initiate connect on the socket. | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:55 Jolla store-client[6601]: [W] QEventLoop::QEventLoop:105 - QEventLoop: Cannot be used without...ation | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:55 Jolla store-client[6601]: [W] QDBusDefaultConnection::QDBusDefaultConnection:1067 - QDBusConn...have. | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:55 Jolla store-client[6601]: [C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory) | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:59 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: invoker: Invoking execution: '/usr/bin/store-client' | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:59 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: invoker: error: Failed to initiate connect on the socket. | 03:04 |
| kelvan | Dec 19 04:02:59 Jolla dbus-daemon[947]: invoker: warning: Booster silica-qt5 is not available. Falling back t...eric. | 03:04 |
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| phaeron | not useful with the text shortening | 03:05 |
| phaeron | what does it want to do if you try zypper in -f store-client | 03:06 |
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| phaeron | you can use pastebin if it is long | 03:07 |
| kelvan | http://pastebin.com/cNgUdrZs | 03:07 |
| Turski | kelvan: umm.. so is this after rebooting after upgrade? | 03:20 |
| Turski | it's perfectly normal to have those errors during upgrade | 03:21 |
| phaeron | Turski: his upgrade failed and left system inconsistent | 03:21 |
| Turski | oh | 03:21 |
| Turski | sounds nasty | 03:21 |
| Turski | (been there done that) | 03:21 |
| kelvan | I think we are on a good way fixing it | 03:22 |
| Turski | need to read backlog | 03:22 |
| kelvan | hope connman upgrade/reinstall dows not kill my wifi :D | 03:23 |
| Turski | well, you can always set up usb networking ;) | 03:26 |
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| salyavin | At least my u10 upgrade went fine, no wifi issues either.I'm | 04:04 |
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| kelvan | Turski: the no space left error was legit after all, stuff like btrfs getting a bit complicated, even btrfs df shows inadequate values :( | 04:59 |
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| Turski | kelvan: i've been confident from the beginning that btrfs was a bad move for major fs... | 05:01 |
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| Turski | kelvan: I haven't been brave enought to move to btrfs on my desktop machine even... | 05:02 |
| Turski | (i'm running linux on 4 machines) | 05:02 |
| kelvan | well, it has really awesome features, I'm using subvolumes a lot | 05:03 |
| Turski | it's not stable enought | 05:03 |
| Turski | at least on linux 3.4 | 05:03 |
| kelvan | i'm currently on 3.17 | 05:03 |
| Turski | i'm currently on 3.18 | 05:03 |
| Turski | jolla has 3.4 | 05:03 |
| Turski | and recent changes are about impossible to port to 'historic' kernels | 05:04 |
| kelvan | notebook and desktop, plus storage disks using btrfs, if there is not too much data on them it works good | 05:04 |
| Turski | there has been majo improvements after 3.4, but jolla can't benefit from those | 05:05 |
| Turski | s/jolla/sailfish/g | 05:05 |
| Turski | i believe btfrs was majorly a bad move made at a time of intel meego | 05:06 |
| Turski | and it wasn't possible to wait for maturing it after that beforfe releasing sailfish | 05:07 |
| kelvan | well most embedded device can't, 3.4 is lts, not a bad choice to use this version, but tricky if btrfs is essential | 05:07 |
| Turski | 3.4 is the version Qualcomm is supporting | 05:08 |
| Turski | not much luck for later | 05:08 |
| Turski | it's sad that supporting native drivers is too much effort (considering intel based tablet) | 05:09 |
| kelvan | have to compile newer kernel soon for my olimex, sunxi 3.4 kernel not even support btrfs, aes or ipv6 | 05:09 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | all those people with black screen after update.... I guess thats btrfs being full allocated..... | 05:59 |
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| salyavin | Maybe some check could ne done by the update btrfs fi df / amd not even download if not enough | 06:14 |
| salyavin | Explaining balance and such to users I have no idea about | 06:15 |
| salyavin | regular linux power users or above sure easy | 06:16 |
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| kelvan | salyavin: well btrfs di df / is not sufficient as i just found out the hard way, showed me enough free space and stuff, but crashed nevertheless with no space left on device ;) | 06:37 |
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| coderus | btrfs fi show? | 06:42 |
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| salyavin | shows much less info about metadata and such coderus | 06:45 |
| salyavin | hmm if I can't trust that I don't know what to think kelvan | 06:46 |
| salyavin | got me by on servers with TBs of space but a phone is so different | 06:46 |
| salyavin | smaller and can't just balance as you like | 06:46 |
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| salyavin | bug Chris Mason I guess | 06:47 |
| Waitee | notifications twitter stops working :P | 06:47 |
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| salyavin | u10 Waitee? | 06:49 |
| Waitee | yup | 06:49 |
| Waitee | had the problem at least since u8 | 06:49 |
| salyavin | worked for me on u9 | 06:49 |
| salyavin | need to test on u10 | 06:50 |
| Waitee | well it ust occasionally stops working in a way it doesnt accept any gestures and only shows the top of the list | 06:51 |
| Waitee | just* | 06:51 |
| Waitee | and the problem solves with reboot | 06:51 |
| Waitee | twitter still updates new tweets but i cant scroll the list, tap tweets or access the pulley menu | 06:54 |
| skvark | I have had the same problem too | 06:57 |
| skvark | in u9 | 06:57 |
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| salyavin | one single test I did on u10 worked | 07:09 |
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| Waitee | it happens just occasionally | 07:12 |
| Waitee | not everytime | 07:12 |
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| FireFly | Mmm, u10 is smooth as butter so far | 07:53 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | smooth, but the oom killer is prezty agressive | 08:08 |
| Morpog_Jolla | pretty | 08:08 |
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| andybranson | it's lovely :) | 08:10 |
| andybranson | jolla.com/updates needs updating though | 08:10 |
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| Miski | Is there a recommended charge time for the first charge before starting to use the phone? | 08:13 |
| Jope | meh | 08:13 |
| Jope | that's an old legend | 08:14 |
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| Miski | Jope: most of the gadgets I've bought in recent years recommend 12 or 16 hours or something | 08:14 |
| Jope | that wasn't strictly true even in the nimh/nicd times | 08:14 |
| Jope | sure | 08:14 |
| Jope | everyone still recommends it | 08:14 |
| Jope | perhaps one of these days someone will tell me why | 08:14 |
| Jope | the batts are preconditioned at the factory | 08:14 |
| Jope | the only reason I can come up with is that they want you to charge it all the way at least once. :-D | 08:15 |
| Miski | ...That's not necessarily a bad reason :D | 08:15 |
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| temmi_foo | especially with li* chemistry the batteries come from the factory already at between 60% and 100% charge and should hit the consumer with 50+% unless things go bad in the supply chain | 08:18 |
| temmi_foo | but yes everyone and their dog recommends first charging the device and then powering it on, with the bold ones suggesting you might actually power the thing up sometime during the first charge | 08:20 |
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| Jope | I remember one Nokia 101 NMT phone I had in the 90s .. the battery had a sticker "precharged at the factory" :-D | 08:25 |
| Jope | this is a very very persistent legend | 08:25 |
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| urs | bad charging electronics may profit from it, so they can measure their "full" reference voltage more precisely | 08:32 |
| urs | but I assume that with the manufacturing precision of today's batteries, that won't really be neccessary anymore. | 08:32 |
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| temmi_foo | the chargers also detect fullness from other things than just the instantenous voltage | 08:35 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | can someboyd chech whats the version of glibc package on u10? | 08:58 |
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| stephg | glibc-2.15-1.3.1.armv7hl | 09:00 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | stephg: thank you | 09:00 |
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| sledges | to all still Jolla-less UK folk out here: https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/545876541851598848 | 09:43 |
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| ilpianista | the messages cover UI has a black background...is this intentional? | 09:47 |
| ilpianista | (after update to 10) | 09:47 |
| Waitee | not with my phone at least | 09:48 |
| giucam | ilpianista: no, but if you find a way to reproduce it ping me | 09:48 |
| ilpianista | giucam: reproduce? it happens every time | 09:49 |
| giucam | ilpianista: until you close the app | 09:49 |
| giucam | note that closing messages doesn't really terminate the process | 09:49 |
| giucam | same with the dialer | 09:49 |
| ilpianista | so, should I reboot? | 09:49 |
| giucam | or you can kill jolla-messages | 09:49 |
| * ilpianista doing latest | 09:50 | |
| ilpianista | giucam: fixed :-) | 09:50 |
| giucam | "fixed" :P | 09:50 |
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| ilpianista | :-P | 09:50 |
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| meklu | it probably failed to acquire the gl context then? :P | 09:52 |
| giucam | it's not that | 09:52 |
| meklu | well, certainly an interesting bug nonetheless | 09:54 |
| meklu | I think I had some weird theme issues when I launched some GUI stuff with devel-su off the terminal | 09:54 |
| meklu | like the background of the ambiance wasn't there | 09:55 |
| meklu | iirc | 09:55 |
| giucam | if you don't use invoker that's expected | 09:55 |
| giucam | (kinda) | 09:55 |
| Waitee | oh man | 10:03 |
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| Waitee | the twitter notifications bug is more frequent now than with u8 | 10:04 |
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| andybranson | ilpianista: that's listed in the known problems i think | 10:05 |
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| andybranson | in 'Other issues' in the release notes: Sometimes Messages and Phone app show black active covers | 10:06 |
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| ilpianista | ah I see | 10:06 |
| ilpianista | missed that | 10:07 |
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| Nicd- | hey, how does the "silence call/alarm by turning phone" work if my phone is already upside down? | 10:12 |
| Nicd- | do I then turn it screen up and then back down? | 10:12 |
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| andybranson | love the update guys: well done getting it out before xmas | 10:16 |
| andybranson | i can now go into full sales mode with friends and relatives over the holidays ;) | 10:17 |
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| Nicd- | andybranson: just don't use the alphanumeric lock... :) | 10:19 |
| Nicd- | because the update was pulled because of that | 10:19 |
| andybranson | yes I saw that. i haven't dared use the device lock on this phone at all yet. too dangerous :P | 10:19 |
| Nicd- | nah, just put in 50 or unlimited tries | 10:19 |
| Nicd- | and don't forget it | 10:20 |
| * gexc felt luck for not trying out the alphanumeric lock LOL | 10:20 | |
| * ilpianista too! | 10:20 | |
| andybranson | wasn't the problem just that it's possible to disable the alphanumeric lock while still having letters in your unlock code? | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | something like that, the end result is having the number keypad and no way to enter characters | 10:21 |
| flux | a bit annoying something like that would've slipped through, I suppose it only seems a more apparent thing to try out just afterwards :/ | 10:22 |
| gexc | time for T9 input? | 10:22 |
| andybranson | so i think it works, but it won't stop you doing silly things. seems fine to test (as long as you have balls of steel) | 10:22 |
| flux | gexc, you mean it would predict your password based on t9 input?-) | 10:23 |
| flux | with tohkbd we will get two-token authorization: first you need to have the keyboard to write the password.. :) | 10:23 |
| andybranson | ah that's a solution for anyone in a mess with the alpha lock then - just wait for your tohkbd to arrive :) | 10:24 |
| SQUelcher | flux: of course, but t9 is switched to a random language on every try ;) | 10:24 |
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| temmi_foo | t9 pretty much sucks large mammals on languages like finnish where words morph and inventing new word on the fly is more common than flies | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | we need f | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | 9 | 10:47 |
| spiiroin | Nicd-: 1st you need to be in state where: alarm/call is ringing, display is on and front face up; then turning device front face down -> snooze/ignore | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | ok, so I would turn it screen up and then back down | 10:49 |
| spiiroin | yes | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | ok, good | 10:51 |
| meklu | the trick with t9 | 10:56 |
| meklu | is to spell syllables with it | 10:57 |
| meklu | not words, just syllables | 10:57 |
| meklu | it's pretty amazing at that | 10:57 |
| meklu | way faster than swypes and touchy feely osks | 10:57 |
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| Milo- | The glance-screen ( https://together.jolla.com/question/937/glance-screen/?answer=50215#post-id-50215 ) doesn't seem to work after update: | 11:18 |
| Milo- | s/:/./ | 11:19 |
| jc-denton | Hi can you help me setting up app deployment for my jolla phone. | 11:19 |
| jc-denton | I can connect via ssh to it but not deploy apps | 11:19 |
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| jc-denton | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9568817/ | 11:20 |
| jc-denton | So I tried just to get the mediagallery project running on my phone. | 11:20 |
| jc-denton | and yes this path is missing on my phone.. but why does it not create it | 11:21 |
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| jc-denton | humm seems like I am having a monologue here | 11:25 |
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| TemeV | how did you try to deploy it? | 11:27 |
| TemeV | copying binary or as rpm? | 11:27 |
| jc-denton | copying binaries | 11:28 |
| jc-denton | as it says on the developer guide | 11:28 |
| TemeV | try the rpm method | 11:28 |
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| TemeV | I've had trouble getting things to work with copying binaries sometimes | 11:28 |
| jc-denton | ah and then it will unpack and run the rpm on my phone? | 11:28 |
| TemeV | yep | 11:29 |
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| jc-denton | and opt only contains alien on my phone | 11:29 |
| jc-denton | At least it takes longer now.. | 11:31 |
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| jc-denton | Cool it works now! | 11:33 |
| jc-denton | Thank you! | 11:34 |
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| TemeV | np | 11:38 |
| Teme | Milo-: for me the glance screen was actually activated before, and after u10 it had gotten a tutorial telling me "sneak peek is shown when the device is uncovered" | 11:40 |
| Teme | was a bit surprised because the release notes didn't mention adding that, maybe it was part of u9 already (i didn't opt-in) | 11:40 |
| inz | yes, it was part of u9 | 11:42 |
| Teme | anyway Milo-, i can confirm it's still possible to make it work | 11:42 |
| Wnt | the tutorial was part of u9, but there still is no way to enable the glance screen from the settings :D | 11:43 |
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| jc-denton | What I also wanted to ask.. | 11:47 |
| jc-denton | is it a good idea to first create a complete qt / qml app and later port it to sailfish / Jolla? | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | Milo-: glance screen works fine for me | 11:48 |
| TemeV | jc-denton: depends what your goal is | 11:48 |
| TemeV | if you want to make app for sailfish only, why not do it straight to sailfish | 11:49 |
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| meklu | I couldn't get the binary copy to copy over all my other binaries in /usr/libexec/ :D | 11:50 |
| meklu | or one binary, rather | 11:51 |
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| jc-denton | ok | 11:52 |
| minimec | Milo-: I cannot confirm that. I have glance screen working after u9 -> u10, but I remember that I had to change some settings after u8 -> u9. | 11:52 |
| jc-denton | Will first have to get familiar with qml only | 11:52 |
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| meklu | the application in question is not your usual mobile app though | 11:54 |
| kimmoli | iekku: ping, can you query status... please | 11:54 |
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| perwille | Could someone point me to a howto on compiling cli tools for sailfish? | 11:55 |
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| coderus | perwille: howto on cli? | 11:56 |
| coderus | login to mer vm via ssh and compile using mb/mb2 | 11:56 |
| coderus | mb build -t SailfishOS-armv7hl rpm/package.spec | 11:57 |
| coderus | mb2 same | 11:57 |
| coderus | or sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl inside mer vm | 11:57 |
| coderus | and do ./configure && make here | 11:57 |
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| perwille | coderus: thanks | 11:58 |
| minimec | Milo-: I modified glance-screen behaviour like this asfter u8 -> u9 update: "mcetool --set-lpmui-triggering=from-pocket,hover-over" | 11:58 |
| coderus | mb using ~/rpmbiild folder, mb2 using shadow build | 11:58 |
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| JvD_ | \o/ just got shipping confirmation on my second jolla phone | 12:02 |
| kimmoli | JvD_: now you need some tohs for it ... vink | 12:03 |
| JvD_ | =) | 12:03 |
| Milo- | like a keyboard | 12:03 |
| perwille | coderus: the vm is listening om localhost:2222? It seems i need a ssh-key? | 12:04 |
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| kimmoli | \SailfishOS\vmshare\ssh\private_keys | 12:05 |
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| meklu | ow ow ow | 12:05 |
| Milo- | minimec ah, it seems to be working nicely when taken off the pocket, but not when flipped on the table | 12:05 |
| iekku | kimmoli, i assume guys are bit busy with release | 12:06 |
| meklu | kimmoli: that is one funky basename | 12:06 |
| perwille | kimmoli: thanks | 12:06 |
| Milo- | or when waving my hand at the sensors | 12:06 |
| minimec | Milo-: so you need to add that 'hover-over' option... ;) | 12:06 |
| Milo- | ack :) | 12:06 |
| kimmoli | iekku: ok, i guessed that (but i'm too impatient) | 12:07 |
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| kimmoli | meklu: ? | 12:07 |
| meklu | % basename "\SailfishOS\vmshare\ssh\private_keys" | 12:08 |
| meklu | \SailfishOS\vmshare\ssh\private_keys | 12:08 |
| meklu | >:C | 12:08 |
| kimmoli | whats wrong with that? | 12:09 |
| meklu | % basename /foo/bar | 12:09 |
| meklu | bar | 12:09 |
| meklu | who has a file with that sort of name around? | 12:09 |
| Milo- | minimec --set-lpmui-triggering=from-pocket,hover-over had no effect | 12:10 |
| Milo- | or maybe it just takes a while to start working | 12:10 |
| meklu | minimec? | 12:10 |
| Milo- | because it started working immediately after I said it doesn't work :P | 12:10 |
| minimec | meklu: yes? | 12:10 |
| meklu | oh, oops :D | 12:11 |
| meklu | didn't realize that was addressed to someone | 12:11 |
| Milo- | minimec cheers :) | 12:11 |
| meklu | thought that was used on the CLI instead of mcetool >.> | 12:11 |
| minimec | Milo-: I took that command out of my bash history. That one should work. You have to wait some seconds after the screen goes blank to be able to 'hover-over' the sensor. | 12:11 |
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| Milo- | meklu: alias minimec='mcetool' :) | 12:12 |
| minimec | Milo-: I see ;) | 12:12 |
| Milo- | the awesome thing about ranting is that it always solves everything | 12:12 |
| meklu | some good ol' rubber duck debugging on live guinea pigs | 12:13 |
| Milo- | everything starts to work perfectly after you rant about it | 12:13 |
| meklu | although this is more of a variation thereof | 12:13 |
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| coderus | perwille: https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 12:32 |
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| PaulePanter | My Jolla does not offer me the update to 1.1.1.26 yet. :( | 12:33 |
| Scelt | PaulePanter: https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-on-hold-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/ | 12:34 |
| meklu | its distribution was halted after they found a bug with the alphanumeric lock | 12:34 |
| meklu | it only gives you the number keypad if you set an alphanumeric code | 12:34 |
| meklu | which makes it un-unlockable | 12:34 |
| coderus | wow, such a new bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/71900/11126-cleaning-of-clipboard-crashes-android-apps/ | 12:37 |
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| tadzik | so *that* is why even restarting dalvik didn't help... | 12:39 |
| tadzik | heh, "sms message" :) | 12:41 |
| tadzik | like Personal PIN Number | 12:41 |
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| tadzik | oh, 2 alternative music players update on the same day | 12:42 |
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| perwille | coderus: Says it all, thanks - how did i miss that | 12:42 |
| PaulePanter | meklu: Thank you! Too bad. | 12:43 |
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| meklu | is there any way to adjust the port of that web interface? | 12:51 |
| meklu | I already have apache on 8080 at home | 12:51 |
| meklu | seems pretty silly to use such a common port for that | 12:52 |
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| Nicd- | what interface? | 12:53 |
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| meklu | https://sailfishos.org/images/sdk_control_devheaders.png | 12:54 |
| Nicd- | ahh | 12:54 |
| Nicd- | maybe ask on #sailfishos ;) | 12:54 |
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| clau | hmm, where should this Utilities menu be? I can't see it in Settings -> System | 13:24 |
| clau | I'm talking about the latest update | 13:24 |
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| Plnt | clau: settings -> system -> utilities works for me on the latest update | 13:25 |
| clau | there's no such menu on my phone | 13:25 |
| j-doge | clau: it's in Settings/System under Info, but you have to download it from Store before it gets there | 13:25 |
| clau | oh, ok | 13:25 |
| clau | I thought it comes straight with the update | 13:25 |
| clau | also, Settings is really laggy for me :\ | 13:26 |
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| j-doge | clau: in Store, its name is Sailfish Utilities | 13:26 |
| clau | how is it called in Store? | 13:26 |
| clau | ok | 13:26 |
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| Scelt | has anyone else blank cover for phone app in u10? | 13:27 |
| clau | shouldn't the utilities appear in Jolla Essentials? | 13:28 |
| Waitee | Scelt: its a known bug | 13:28 |
| j-doge | clau: it's not a Jolla app (although at this moment in practice it is), it's meant to be a community-driven tool | 13:28 |
| j-doge | thus it's not a Jolla Essential | 13:28 |
| Scelt | Waitee: oknp's | 13:28 |
| clau | I see | 13:28 |
| clau | yes, I have it now. thanks | 13:29 |
| clau | and Settings is getting more responsive also | 13:29 |
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| Tegu | update on tjc: the alphanumeric lock will be reverted https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-on-hold-software-version-11126-vaarainjarvi/ | 13:31 |
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| Toxip | so why exactly is this update on hold? | 13:38 |
| Toxip | because of screens going blank? | 13:38 |
| flanag | no | 13:38 |
| Toxip | alphanumeric lock? | 13:38 |
| Nicd- | yes | 13:38 |
| Nicd- | it makes phones unable to be unlocked | 13:38 |
| Toxip | I noticed many people ran into the same problems as I did... the screen just went blank | 13:38 |
| Nicd- | there is a situation where you can set an alphanumeric code but you only get the numerical keyboard | 13:38 |
| Nicd- | then you can't unlock it anymore | 13:39 |
| Toxip | I see | 13:39 |
| flux | I have a feeling u10 takes more battery than u8 :-o | 13:41 |
| flux | it's already at 52% at this time of day, it usually isn't that low | 13:41 |
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| Waitee | i think about the same with my heavy use | 13:41 |
| phdeswer | flux: that's because you have been using it the whole time to find out what's new ;) | 13:41 |
| flanag | flux, could be because of this? https://together.jolla.com/question/72139/bug-android-is-constinuosly-consuming-cpu-since-update-10-1126/ | 13:42 |
| flux | ..though, it could be I needed to replace the use of android di.fm client with the jolla one, and I run it for about 20 minutes on the mornings | 13:42 |
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| flux | well, firefox does take cpu, but it did that with u8 as well | 13:42 |
| flux | iirc something like <1%, though | 13:42 |
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| andybranson | if someone has updated to u10 previously, and set a lock code with letters, then installs the hotfix, will they be in trouble? | 13:50 |
| louisdk | I keep getting premission denied trying to ssh to my Jolla. I've installed u10, enabled dev mode and both my Jolla and Linux laptop is on the same network. Password is set. | 13:51 |
| andybranson | does the hotfix check for that on install? | 13:51 |
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| Nicd- | kimmoli: how can you translate vaarainjärvi to strawberrylake? that doesn't make sense :P | 13:57 |
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| kimmoli | vaarain = vadelma | 13:57 |
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| Nicd- | but vadelma is raspberry | 13:58 |
| kimmoli | äh | 13:58 |
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| flanag | haha | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | also didn't know vaarain is vadelma :o | 13:58 |
| flanag | neither did I | 13:58 |
| locusf | wat, in what dialect is that | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | I thought it came from vaara -> vaarain = of the vaaras | 13:58 |
| flanag | well it comes from that | 13:58 |
| Waitee | vaarain could also be "vaarojen" | 13:58 |
| flanag | yeah | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | "Vadelma (vaarain, vaapukka, vattu)" | 13:58 |
| kimmoli | i intended to write rapsberry, but PEBCAK | 13:58 |
| Waitee | Nicd-: was faster | 13:59 |
| Nicd- | finnish is too damn ambiguous | 13:59 |
| Waitee | yeah | 13:59 |
| meklu | at least some parts are less ambiguous than a host of other languages | 14:00 |
| meklu | :P | 14:00 |
| flanag | vaarainjärvi "the lake of the forested hills" | 14:00 |
| Waitee | or dramatically "the lake of dangers" :D (not very likely) | 14:00 |
| flanag | now I know that Vaarainjärvi is in Raahe | 14:01 |
| flanag | learning something from these updates :p | 14:02 |
| kimmoli | but based on location of that lake, it has nothing to do with "vaara" | 14:03 |
| flanag | you mean danger? | 14:03 |
| kimmoli | no, the "forrested hill" | 14:03 |
| flanag | ah | 14:03 |
| kimmoli | ridge forrester-lake | 14:03 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. when that update has come? | 14:04 |
| oh8gnz | today? | 14:04 |
| kimmoli | it is on hold | 14:04 |
| flanag | yesterday but it's on hold | 14:04 |
| kimmoli | yesterday | 14:04 |
| oh8gnz | on hold? | 14:04 |
| flanag | yeah | 14:04 |
| flanag | because of a bug | 14:04 |
| oh8gnz | why my phone is downloading it? | 14:04 |
| Waitee | yeah, one part didnt work | 14:04 |
| oh8gnz | so I shouldn't install it? | 14:05 |
| Waitee | apparently they solved the issue or withdrew the alphanumeric lock | 14:05 |
| flanag | there's no announcement | 14:05 |
| oh8gnz | 1.1.1.26 | 14:05 |
| Waitee | yeah but dont use the keycode screen lock | 14:05 |
| flanag | hmm, I wonder if it's available for me too | 14:06 |
| oh8gnz | should the old one work? | 14:06 |
| Waitee | no idea | 14:06 |
| oh8gnz | if I don't change anything | 14:06 |
| oh8gnz | only numbers on screenlock? | 14:06 |
| Waitee | something wrong with the passcode locking | 14:06 |
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| kimmoli | better not to try at all ... | 14:07 |
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| kimmoli | "" | 14:08 |
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| kimmoli | Unfortunately, those who have already locked out from their phone will need to contact Care. Depending on the situation, they may be able to help you out without needing a visit to the service centre. | 14:08 |
| kimmoli | "" | 14:08 |
| Waitee | ouch :D | 14:09 |
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| Waitee | glad i dont prefer locking my phone | 14:09 |
| Teme | pardon the internet meme but: #rekt | 14:09 |
| Teme | so glad i didn't try it out just a few days before christmas and extensive traveling :D | 14:10 |
| Teme | my fallback is a 9300 communicator | 14:10 |
| phdeswer | kimmoli: well if you're a bit handy the recovery works. But factory reset is no fun... | 14:12 |
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| kimmoli | phdeswer: luckily i'm happy with digit-lock | 14:12 |
| kimmoli | just saying that 1.1.1.26 is safe to download and install, but dont try alphalock, it may ruin your xmas | 14:13 |
| flanag | it might be better to just wait for this: "19.12.2014 Update: We are reverting the alphanumeric lock code feature from the release and are preparing to roll out the hotfix __during today__." | 14:16 |
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| andybranson | sorry to ask again, but if someone installed u10 yesterday, set an alphanumeric passcode, and then installs this hotfix with the revert, will they be locked out of their phone? | 14:34 |
| flanag | the hotfix isn't released yet so I don't think that question can be answered | 14:34 |
| andybranson | well it was more a question to the people preparing the hotfix, to make sure the hotfix doesn't cause even more people to need jolla care | 14:35 |
| flanag | ah yeah | 14:36 |
| joonahoi | I've downloaded the update already, but not yet installed, the option to check for new updates is replaced by < Install > - option, so...umm... | 14:38 |
| flanag | you can install it, just don't enable alphanumeric passcode | 14:39 |
| flanag | *the alphanumeric passcode | 14:39 |
| joonahoi | yup | 14:39 |
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| oh8gnz | it seems that this vaarainnarvi works a bit faster than uitukka | 14:52 |
| Tegu | but it is a bit dangerous, as the name suggests ;) | 14:53 |
| Tegu | or maybe the name reflects dangerous times | 14:53 |
| oh8gnz | yes... or small hills | 14:54 |
| Tegu | ..or that :P | 14:54 |
| inz | "Small hill" -- to us finns they are mountains ;) | 14:54 |
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| flux | so, my u10 jolla-messages is taking 1.0% cpu. what gives? | 15:26 |
| flux | uptune 18 hours, it has taken 17m27s cpu time -> 1.5% continuously | 15:28 |
| flux | I cannot imagine that's great for battery. | 15:28 |
| TemeV | oh8gnz: "a bit" is quite an understatment :) | 15:28 |
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| TemeV | for me it is a lot quicker and responsive | 15:28 |
| Tegu | what about u8 -> u10? | 15:29 |
| Tegu | how does it compare? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | flux: screenshot | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | of it in cover mode | 15:29 |
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| flux | in cover mode? | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | multitasking view | 15:30 |
| teve | is it normal that ofonod crashed with sig11 on first boot after u10 update? | 15:31 |
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| phaeron | teve: phone calls work ? | 15:32 |
| teve | yep | 15:32 |
| phaeron | then just ignore it :) | 15:32 |
| flux | stskeeps, what possibly use could the cover screenshot have?-) | 15:33 |
| flux | well, gave you one in a message | 15:34 |
| phaeron | flux: it has a significance if the cover is wrong and it is displaying something else. | 15:37 |
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| flux | hmm, actually I wonder if crest has somehow a different view on things than 'top' | 15:39 |
| flux | crest crrently says 0.6%, but 'top' doesn't mention it | 15:39 |
| flux | lighthouse does list jolla-messages | 15:40 |
| flux | is top worse or better than the rest?-) | 15:41 |
| flux | well, I suppose it should be easier to analyze now that systemtap is in the default kernel.. | 15:42 |
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| Tegu | I wondered whereabouts the sailfish update name lakes are, and made this with the help of google maps and järviwiki :P https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z0oNognW_C3M.k4nK9LCtdqMQ | 16:14 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: Cool :) | 16:15 |
| attah | Tegu: Crap.. seems to be no hidden illuminati symbols or suchlike | 16:15 |
| Tegu | attah: actually I wanted to see if tehre are some jokes hidden, too :D | 16:15 |
| attah | :) | 16:15 |
| Yaniel | at u42, connect the dots and it is a badger? | 16:16 |
| Miski | oh, the phone turns on automatically when attached to a charger for the first time | 16:17 |
| Miski | Well, that certainly solves whether I'll charge it before turning it on :) | 16:18 |
| Yaniel | :D | 16:18 |
| Tegu | and also had a random idea if it's feasible to travel to every one of them and take a picture of the lake with Jolla :D but probably not doing it | 16:18 |
| Yaniel | would make an interesting roadtrip for sure | 16:19 |
| sledges | internal releases have pirate jokes | 16:19 |
| Yaniel | something one would do "because I can" | 16:19 |
| xfade_ | sledges: I do wonder about those.. ;) | 16:20 |
| Yaniel | sledges: I would actually be disappointed if they didn't | 16:20 |
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| flanag | heeey hotfix released | 16:21 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/71741/release-notes-software-version-11127-vaarainjarvi/ | 16:22 |
| Tegu | for u9 users and the first ones | 16:22 |
| Tegu | at first | 16:22 |
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| flanag | why's that? | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | just downloaded | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | thats how it usually goes | 16:22 |
| flanag | they shipped the initial update 10 for everyone | 16:22 |
| flanag | didn't they? | 16:22 |
| Miski | Tegu: excellent idea for a road trip! | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | nope | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | they took it offline before everyone could get it afaik | 16:23 |
| Tegu | Miski: funny and diverse at least :D but maybe not in the release order :) | 16:23 |
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| flanag | yeah but it was meant to be for everyone | 16:23 |
| Yaniel | first ones and opt-in people could get it though | 16:23 |
| flanag | well, it doesn't matter, I'm on U9 | 16:23 |
| Yaniel | yes | 16:23 |
| tigeli | flanag: we always release for the first-ones first | 16:23 |
| tigeli | it's not like "open the flood gates" | 16:24 |
| flanag | yeah, I've noticed that, tigeli :) | 16:24 |
| flanag | are you still expecting some problems because the rest of the users will get it on monday? | 16:25 |
| Miski | Tegu: yeah, maybe not :D | 16:25 |
| tigeli | flanag: nope | 16:25 |
| xfade_ | flanag: no, but we want weekend too ;) | 16:25 |
| flanag | heh | 16:25 |
| flanag | nice to hear, I'll update right away then (I'm on U9) | 16:25 |
| Miski | umm... I typoed my wlan password and now it won't let me input a new on (during the first boot setup) | 16:25 |
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| xfade_ | Miski: any other wlan nearby? | 16:26 |
| tigeli | Miski: wep-encryption? | 16:26 |
| Miski | xfade_: none I have access to | 16:26 |
| Miski | tigeli: wpa2-psk | 16:26 |
| xfade_ | Afaik when you tap on a random one, and then go back it might work | 16:26 |
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| Miski | xfade_: ok, thx | 16:27 |
| tigeli | Miski: hmm weird.. I guess that's 1.0.0.5 software version? | 16:27 |
| tigeli | can't fix the older ones :D | 16:27 |
| xfade_ | If this is the case, then skip the whole setup. | 16:27 |
| xfade_ | And in settings connect to wifi | 16:28 |
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| flanag | if I download the update now, will it first download .26 and then update it to .27 hotfix with the alphanumeric lock code removed? | 16:28 |
| Miski | tigeli: no idea, first boot on a phone with manufacturing date of 04,2014 | 16:28 |
| flanag | this suggests it' | 16:28 |
| flanag | *it's like that: "The rest of our users will receive 1.1.1.27 directly on Monday without the alphanumeric lock code feature." | 16:28 |
| tigeli | Miski: ok.. it should have re-request the passwd. Need to check that on coming weeks.. if there is a bug in that | 16:28 |
| Miski | tigeli: but going back from the network selection and then selecting "create jolla account" again let's me reinput the pw | 16:29 |
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| tigeli | flanag: you will get .27 directly | 16:29 |
| flanag | tigeli, that's what I thought | 16:29 |
| flanag | the sentence is just a bit misleading there | 16:30 |
| TMavica | why not with hotfix of clean clipboard problem... | 16:30 |
| flanag | probably not enough time to fix that before the weekend | 16:31 |
| ilpianista | which are the 2 bugs fixed with 1.1.1.27? one is alphanumeric code, but the other one? | 16:32 |
| xfade_ | ilpianista: That is the only thing | 16:32 |
| ilpianista | mmm | 16:33 |
| flanag | ilpianista: where did you read there would be 2 bugs fixed? | 16:33 |
| Miski | bah, either I keep typoing my pw or the phone doesn't like my wlan. Rebooting router --> | 16:33 |
| ilpianista | flanag: xfade_ sorry I misread the changelog news | 16:33 |
| ilpianista | *one* bug, spotted by *two* users | 16:33 |
| TMavica | any way to fix the android crash after cleaning clipboard temporarily? without reboot | 16:33 |
| xfade_ | TMavica: restart alien? | 16:33 |
| TMavica | if confirmed is nil help | 16:34 |
| TMavica | restart alien service, the android apps also will autoshutdown | 16:34 |
| TMavica | if confirmed is nil help | 16:34 |
| xfade_ | Or do as the doctor says: "Docter, it hurts when I push here" | 16:34 |
| TMavica | it | 16:34 |
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| Miski | nope, not connecting to my wlan. "Valittuun verkkoon yhdistäminen epäonnistui". And for some reason Jolla says it's wpa-psk, though I'm fairly sure it's actually wpa2-psk | 16:44 |
| tigeli | Miski: connman does not differentiate wpa or wpa2 | 16:45 |
| tigeli | Miski: and it is not hidden network? | 16:45 |
| Miski | tigeli: no | 16:45 |
| Miski | let's see if pure N-mode works better (after that pure G, I guess) | 16:47 |
| tigeli | Miski: hmm.. would need the logs to actually to tell why it does not connect but you could bypass the wizard and try to connect via settings | 16:47 |
| tigeli | Miski: do you have multiple ap's? | 16:47 |
| locusf | hrhm I cant enter lock code at all after 1.1.1.27 | 16:47 |
| Acce | uhhhh | 16:48 |
| tigeli | locusf: ? | 16:48 |
| Acce | I better not update then | 16:48 |
| Acce | yet | 16:48 |
| locusf | the keyboard is visible but I can't enter the numbers, it doesn't react to my touches | 16:48 |
| locusf | ah fixed it | 16:48 |
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| locusf | just had to swipe up to lockscreen | 16:49 |
| locusf | phew | 16:49 |
| phaeron | come on :D | 16:49 |
| tigeli | locusf: stop scarying us :D | 16:49 |
| Miski | tigeli: not enabled. I have 2 wireless networks configured in the router, but only one is enabled | 16:49 |
| locusf | lol sorry :) | 16:49 |
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| tigeli | Miski: that should not be a problem | 16:49 |
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| locusf | I hope this doesn't happen to anyone else | 16:50 |
| locusf | it can be quite scary if one doesn't figure to enter the lockscreen before the numpad | 16:50 |
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| Miski | And now it connected. | 16:54 |
| Miski | I guess changing it NG -> N -> G -> NG helped? | 16:54 |
| tigeli | :D | 16:54 |
| Miski | tigeli: thanks for the help :) | 16:54 |
| tigeli | it should work in any case | 16:54 |
| tigeli | Miski: it could have been connman doing it magics | 16:55 |
| Miski | it seems to, now :) | 16:55 |
| oh8gnz | TemeV: it was safe first impressio | 16:55 |
| oh8gnz | n | 16:55 |
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| flanag | Update finished succesfully, thanks a lot everyone working at Jolla! Yet another great update! :) | 16:55 |
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| Miski | Are the shop.jolla.com account and jolla-account the same, btw? Should I be logging in with an existing account rather than creating a new one? | 16:57 |
| tbr | yes | 16:59 |
| xfade_ | Miski: unfortunately they are not | 16:59 |
| tbr | hm? | 16:59 |
| xfade_ | Miski: We still need to implement that some day :( | 16:59 |
| tbr | oh, I misunderstood | 16:59 |
| Miski | xfade_: ok, so creating a new account it is then :) | 17:00 |
| xfade_ | If you use the same email then maybe one day, we can link them ;) | 17:00 |
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| xfade_ | tbr: one of the services we haven't linked yet. | 17:01 |
| oh8gnz | downloading hotfix | 17:02 |
| tbr | xfade_: I only remembered that I did have a jolla account prior to having a device for some reason, but that was probably somehow linked into the firstone stuff | 17:02 |
| phaeron | it's not very hot | 17:02 |
| oh8gnz | hope that it fixes lockscreen | 17:02 |
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| xfade_ | tbr: preorder campaign probably | 17:03 |
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| tbr | yes, I guess that made me think so | 17:03 |
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| xfade_ | tbr: that used a different service than current shop | 17:03 |
| tbr | aaaah | 17:03 |
| Tegu | oh8gnz: disable the alphanumeric lockscreen before updating if you have not yet done it | 17:03 |
| Tegu | oh8gnz: it says so in the TJC page | 17:04 |
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| Miski | now it's updating :) | 17:05 |
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| coderus | well, it says "tool for changing devicelock code to alphanumeric will be released later" | 17:14 |
| coderus | "Those who already have enabled alphanumeric code right after update10, and want to revert back to numpad, a cmdline tool can be provided" | 17:15 |
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| ccha2 | hello, I think there is regression bug, wifi doesn't detect/connecte on hidden SSID. | 17:55 |
| ccha2 | someone got this problem ? | 17:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | ccha2: if its your access point, turn off hidden SSID | 18:00 |
| r0kk3rz | its like, anti-security | 18:00 |
| r0kk3rz | even worse than mac filtering | 18:00 |
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| ccha2 | hidden is worse then not hidden ? or just same thing? That's 2 different points | 18:07 |
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| Lipevakala_ | locusf: Had same lockcode broblem allready with u10. Latest fix did not help before i pulled battery and sim for some minutes. Now again smooth and im verry happy. (was very slow, took ewen 5 minutes before i numbers were regstered and phone did not find sim icon) | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | hidden is worse than not hidden | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | it causes your phone/laptop/whatever to broadcast your SSID wherever you go | 18:10 |
| locusf | Lipevakala_: ok, good :) | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | which a malicious AP can pick up, and pretend to be your home wifi, and get your device to try and auto-connect to it | 18:12 |
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| ccha2 | http://www.fixedbyvonnie.com/2014/08/3-reasons-why-hiding-wireless-ssid-bad-idea/ | 18:17 |
| ccha2 | :) | 18:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah basically, its at best pointless and at worst causes you to be a target | 18:20 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 20:23 |
| Andy80 | how is it possible that my Jolla still doesn't see the update? | 20:23 |
| Yaniel | are you either one of the first ones or have you opted in to u9? | 20:23 |
| Andy80 | no | 20:23 |
| Yaniel | and have you manually told it to check for updates | 20:23 |
| Andy80 | yes, I'm checking from the menu | 20:24 |
| Yaniel | updates are rolled out in stages of a few hours | 20:24 |
| Yaniel | first to the first ones, a few hours later to people who have opted in to unstable updates, then to all | 20:24 |
| flanag | well, U10 will be released on Monday for "the rest" | 20:25 |
| Andy80 | I will try again tomorrow then.... or on monday | 20:25 |
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| Yaniel | reasons for this are that early adopters and unstable users know what they are doing (or should at least) and are quick to report bugs | 20:26 |
| Yaniel | like happened this time | 20:26 |
| tigeli | yes, users are unstable :D | 20:30 |
| Yaniel | beware of the nightly users | 20:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | tigeli: you guys should use the 'developer updates' option in sfos to pre-release updates | 21:06 |
| r0kk3rz | so we can help you find the broken things, and fix them | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | yes | 21:06 |
| TemeV | there is also the opt-in system | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | why doesn't that use the settings GUI? | 21:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah im not sure what that setting in dev options actually does | 21:07 |
| r0kk3rz | it says it wants extra permissions from jolla | 21:08 |
| Nicd- | it's for jolla employees | 21:09 |
| cvp_ | r0kk3rz, you meen in develovers-mode ? | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | it is still there ? | 21:10 |
| cvp_ | need user/password | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | I though it was removed in one of the early updates | 21:10 |
| cvp_ | like fr SSU | 21:10 |
| r0kk3rz | it was when i was looking the other day | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | oh, interesting | 21:10 |
| Nicd- | M4rtinK: it's there. it was *fixed* in one of the early updates :P | 21:10 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: they should open it up to non-employees then | 21:12 |
| Nicd- | dunno | 21:12 |
| r0kk3rz | extended rc testing | 21:12 |
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| Yaniel | test-public | 21:12 |
| aard_ | the 'developer updates' option will eventually be used for providing RC access to developers | 21:13 |
| Nicd- | like app devs? | 21:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | aard_: dooooeeeeeettttt | 21:14 |
| Yaniel | what are you waiting for? | 21:14 |
| aard_ | we've had a tiny beta program with a handful of people for a while to test if/how that works | 21:14 |
| Yaniel | being able to switch between stable and bleeding edge (like almost git) would kick ass | 21:14 |
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| beidl | Yaniel: I wouldn't that imagine to be easy though. think about things like changes in database structures that certain software could rely on | 21:15 |
| Yaniel | sure | 21:15 |
| aard_ | you would not be able to switch. some of the problems currently are getting feedback from the RCs (if we can't properly go through the feedback it's useless), also it's a liability risk if you brick your device with it, so we need to do some work there as well | 21:16 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: not sure about switching as such, more likely once you're on an RC you're stuck until the next proper | 21:16 |
| attah | It's time to kick ass and brick phones... and I'm all out of ass.. | 21:16 |
| beidl | damn I hate opt-ins | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | better bricking phones than dealing with buggy code | 21:17 |
| aard_ | starting with update 11 we'll do a short optin phase towards the end of the release cycle, though, before pushing the update out to everyone. I mentioned it shortly in a community meeting, and will probably post the full announcement about that next week | 21:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | if you guys can provide some de-brick tools that would be great too | 21:18 |
| xfade_ | plenty of bricking opportunities then ;) | 21:18 |
| xfade_ | r0kk3rz: factory defaults? :P | 21:18 |
| cvp_ | xmpp problem is not fixit in 1.1.1.26/27 with ejabberd :( | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | at least i'm working hard on de-bricking being a LOT saner on tablet.. | 21:18 |
| attah | nice! i suspect there might be more funny business going on out in the community since it's x86 | 21:20 |
| beidl | Stskeeps: usb host mode in EFI? | 21:20 |
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| attah | btw.. who is responsible-ish of the SDK? or is that confidential? ;) | 21:22 |
| attah | just want to make sure my email to dev-support made it up the chain before the upcoming release... | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | well, send a mail to developer care | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | beidl: well, not having tried it i kinda would expect that works.. | 21:27 |
| attah | i did, no response yet though | 21:27 |
| attah | the thing is that the qt creator uplift borked OS X 10.6 compatibility and the fix *should* be easy | 21:28 |
| attah | (disable c++11) | 21:28 |
| beidl | Stskeeps: as long as the storage block device can be exposed I'm a happy dd-camper | 21:29 |
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| beidl | although, mentioning "sane" and "dd" in the same sentence is kind of a crime... | 21:29 |
| beidl | s/host mode/accessory mode/ | 21:32 |
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| salyavin | cvp_ I use ejabberd what's busted? I just chatted with my wife via my ejabberd server. | 21:59 |
| cvp_ | and xmpp internal client or a extra app ? | 22:00 |
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| cvp_ | salyavin, https://together.jolla.com/question/69266/create-a-xmpp-account-are-broken-in-11039/ | 22:01 |
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| salyavin | There are no extra apps I'm aware of | 22:01 |
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| salyavin | I'm not creating acconts OK. | 22:03 |
| salyavin | or do you mean on the phone | 22:03 |
| salyavin | well I did that on an earlier version. Didn't add in u9 or u10 | 22:04 |
| cvp_ | on jolla | 22:04 |
| cvp_ | u9/u10 | 22:04 |
| cristi | I'm now running zypper update from recovery mode after the update procedure failed | 22:04 |
| cristi | is there anything serious if I see messages like warning: /var/cache/zypp/packages/jolla/non-oss/armv7hl/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.23.20.11-10.62.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm: Header V3 DSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID f2633ee0: NOKEY | 22:05 |
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| phaeron | cristi: it's not serious, which version were you updating from and how did it fail ? | 22:17 |
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| salyavin | chatting works but I guess not adding ejabberd accounts then. That would really annoy the heck out of me too if I didn't already have my xmpp accounts added. | 22:18 |
| cristi | phaeron: I noticed it while recovering the fauled update to the latest version | 22:18 |
| cristi | failed* | 22:19 |
| cristi | many packaged complained like that | 22:19 |
| phaeron | cristi: it's not serious as I said | 22:19 |
| phaeron | cristi: but I am interested to know how your update failed. | 22:19 |
| cristi | ok, thanks | 22:19 |
| cristi | I started the update then went out and let it do its thing, when I was back I saw an error message | 22:20 |
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| cristi | then I rebooted and the phone only showed the Jolla logo and a blinking white LED but the screen was black | 22:21 |
| cristi | I then looked it up and found a way to connect to it over telnet in rescue mode and to run a shell | 22:21 |
| cristi | I mounted it, did chroot and executed zypper update, which had 124 or so packages to update | 22:22 |
| phaeron | hmm :( | 22:22 |
| phaeron | cristi: which version were you coming from ? | 22:22 |
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| cristi | previous | 22:22 |
| phaeron | cristi: opt in or previous u10 or what ? | 22:23 |
| cristi | I did an opt in to the previous version | 22:24 |
| cristi | phaeron: I hope this helps, http://nopaste.info/bd52ef804d.html | 22:24 |
| cristi | that's pretty much all the update | 22:25 |
| cristi | I still have some packages like openssh and friends, ruby and nmap that won't update | 22:25 |
| cristi | but those aren't critical | 22:25 |
| cristi | do you need anything else you could use for debugging before I can try to reboot it? | 22:26 |
| phaeron | cristi: you can reboot | 22:27 |
| phaeron | after that /var/log/zypp might be interesting to see | 22:27 |
| cristi | ok, fingers crossed :) | 22:27 |
| cristi | there's only /var/log/zypp/history | 22:28 |
| phaeron | cristi: yes that | 22:28 |
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| cristi | phaeron: can you accept with DCC? | 22:30 |
| phaeron | cristi: I wonder if that still works :) | 22:30 |
| cristi | seems stuck | 22:31 |
| phaeron | seems not | 22:31 |
| cristi | I will nopaste it as well | 22:31 |
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| Kabouik | I was in U9 opt-in and got a notification for the U10 update tonight. I tried it, it took VERY long (like more than an hour) and I left the phone working and when I came back, it said something like "Update failted, the phone will reboot now" | 22:34 |
| Kabouik | It rebooted, but I just have a black screen, not the PIN code one | 22:35 |
| Kabouik | Any ideas? | 22:35 |
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| phaeron | Kabouik: can you ssh to device ? | 22:36 |
| tiwake | is there a place that jolla is actively showing the development of the tablet? | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | tiwake: blog.jolla.com | 22:38 |
| tiwake | alright | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | and here, in my frustrated comments.. :P | 22:38 |
| tiwake | heh | 22:38 |
| Kabouik | Nope phaeron, not without any special method anyway (perhaps I shoult start in that recovery mode I don't know how to enable)? | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping/ | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | more to come | 22:38 |
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| tiwake | Stskeeps: oh, thats a picture of you? | 22:39 |
| tiwake | eek! | 22:39 |
| tiwake | erm | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | i'm in both pictures. | 22:40 |
| tiwake | I mean | 22:40 |
| tiwake | you look alright | 22:40 |
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| tiwake | :P | 22:40 |
| phaeron | cristi: have you followed some instructions that Kabouik can do ? | 22:40 |
| cristi | Kabouik: looks much like what I ran into | 22:41 |
| Kabouik | You solved it cristi? | 22:41 |
| cristi | still at it, btrfs "disk full" issue, although I have 4GB free | 22:42 |
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| cristi | trying now to free some metadata | 22:42 |
| cristi | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 22:43 |
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| Tegu | ooh, that jolla blog post looks like an interesting post. gotta read | 22:43 |
| cristi | look at the answer posted by Malkavian there (rated with 6 points) ^^^^ | 22:43 |
| cristi | I did that and managed to finish zypper update, now fighting with btrfs | 22:44 |
| ortylp | hi, can anyone tell me where can I get Midnight Commander build for Jolla? Is there a proper 'official' repo for basic tools for working on terminal? | 22:46 |
| cristi | ortylp: I have it installed | 22:46 |
| cristi | I think I took it from some of the warehouse repos... | 22:47 |
| cristi | it looks like it's coming from jolla: mc-4.8.13-10.45.1.jolla.armv7hl | 22:48 |
| ortylp | cristi: can you trace from which repo it comes? | 22:48 |
| cristi | Vendor: meego | 22:48 |
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| cristi | Repository: openrepos-NielDK | 22:48 |
| ortylp | cristi: I see, so it is not anything official :( thanks for the hint anyway | 22:50 |
| cristi | well, does it matter? | 22:51 |
| cristi | this is a community project :) | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | People Powered ! :) | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | (just like Soylent Green ;-) ) | 22:52 |
| ortylp | cristi: if it is not 'blessed' by Jolla, then I'll build it from source myself | 22:52 |
| cristi | feel free | 22:53 |
| ortylp | I just got used to debian/ubuntu repos, there is very seldom anything missing | 22:53 |
| ortylp | cristi: I do not have to feel free, I am free :D | 22:54 |
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| cristi | Kabouik: how is your recovery going? | 22:59 |
| Kabouik | Thanks for the link cristi! I'm trying the Malkavian solution but I'm stuck at the "Do in the computer" section, cause I'm on Windows | 23:00 |
| cristi | yeah, in linux it's easier | 23:01 |
| Kabouik | I have no idea how to do it | 23:01 |
| cristi | can you boot a linux rescue image or so? | 23:02 |
| cristi | like a livecd | 23:02 |
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| Kabouik | Yeah I could but seriously, nothing simpler? :( | 23:02 |
| phaeron | Kabouik: there's this internet sharing option | 23:03 |
| cristi | I said the same... this kind of issues shouldn't happen in the first place :( | 23:03 |
| Kabouik | How phaeron? | 23:03 |
| cristi | Kabouik: you need the USB networking first | 23:03 |
| phaeron | I haven't used windows for years | 23:03 |
| ortylp | maybe linux installation within Windoof (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi)? | 23:03 |
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| cristi | Kabouik: see here for some windows instructions: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763 | 23:04 |
| cristi | just don't use the full reset, use the shell instead and then resume from the other howto | 23:05 |
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| Kabouik | I don't understand, I'm already in shell | 23:06 |
| Kabouik | Following the Malkavian's how to | 23:06 |
| Kabouik | But I'm stuck at the internet sharing step | 23:06 |
| cristi | ok | 23:06 |
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| phaeron | Kabouik: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/using-internet-connection-sharing#1TC=windows-7 | 23:06 |
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| Kabouik | I can't manage to make it work apparently phaeron :' | 23:17 |
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| phaeron | he left :( | 23:24 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: thanks for sharing these insights on the blog :) | 23:26 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks, more to come | 23:27 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: where are you geographically reachable if I would offer you a beer or two? :D | 23:28 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: also thanks for the technical & buzzword free blogpost! :) | 23:28 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: poland | 23:30 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: how far from Trójmiasto? | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm in warsaw | 23:30 |
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| * Stskeeps loves how a 2K ambience looks.. | 23:31 | |
| ortylp | Stskeeps:well, then next time maybe, I am on average once in two years in your area. | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | might go to seaside again this summer | 23:33 |
| ortylp | There was some kind of SailfisOS/Jolla conference in planning, is there any progress? | 23:33 |
| cristi | Stskeeps: I just read your blog about the tablet HW adaptation, and I am a bit puzzled by the fact that those intel drivers are android-only... | 23:33 |
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| ortylp | well, I am at the seaside each year in winter :-| | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | cristi: you can probably get a lot working with v4l2/kms/gbm/mesa but then you'll spend more time on working on platform specific bits and getting specialized in that, than working on experience.. | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | i had phrased it better on thursday or wednesday but the blog blew up and didn't save my comment | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | the moment you then move on to a better platform, all that work is lost | 23:35 |
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| Stskeeps | while with android hw adaptation we only get better the more platforms we support.. | 23:36 |
| cristi | I see | 23:36 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: sure, but I still can see people doing just that :) | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll encourage people to | 23:36 |
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| M4rtinK | I guess that as long as you have some support from the vendor, even the wrapped Android blobs are fine | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK | but I would still worry about the usual abandoned binary blobs none one knows the workings of but you need to use at it is the only driver that supports the given device :) | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | *no one | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | which might also have some fundamental issues that simply can't be worked around and there is no one to fix them :) | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | for everything you don't take from a vendor it means you have to support them yourself if they break | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | or doesn't reproduce in what they provide | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | the SGX blob on the N900 being a "nice" example | 23:41 |
| cristi | the thing is that if you have libhybris the vendors will be happy enough to just give you the android blobs, since that would be good enough for you | 23:41 |
| cristi | they will never make an effort to provide native linux drivers | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | cristi: i don't disagree, but i've tried the other route too | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | sure, but I'm afraid that without libhybris there would be no "you" :) | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | in the current state of things | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | once you have volume, you can talk | 23:42 |
| cristi | indeed | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | also there seems to be some more willingness to open source more stuff, even for android drivers AFAIK | 23:43 |
| M4rtinK | so if the source is available, I guess you can at least fix the blobs or "real" non Android drivers can make use of it or something | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | and if it gives me hardware that's really capable at a 50 eur pricepoint vs millions of dollars in NRE to make sailfish native drivers.. | 23:43 |
| ShadowJK | Do I understand this correctly? libhybris: you get drivers for one or two vaguely relevant kernels, while paying some reasonably amount of moneys. No libhybris: You pay ludicrous amount of money and you get one driver for a single, mostly irrelevant, version of kernel? | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | not 100% | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris: you get driver matching a heavily modified kernel while being able to leverage existing android hardware system; no libhybris: pretty accurate | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | likely | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | if you get it at all | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | right | 23:46 |
| cristi | for jolla it makes complete sense to use libhybris, it's just not helping much the linux drivers situation at the moment... | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | So upgrade path is pretty much blocked either way | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | that battle died with meego from big chipset vendor pov | 23:47 |
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| Stskeeps | but it'd be silly to kill dream of non-android-ios-windows phone OS'es because of inability to get graphics drivers | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | for sure | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | meanwhile: https://together.jolla.com/question/72373/to-have-an-user-interface-which-minimises-bad-radiation/ | 23:48 |
| cristi | it's in everyone's interest to have a single driver to maintain, and as long as android has >80% market share that's the ovbious choice | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | As a regular user, I wonder why I can't install android on my Lenovo Tablet, or why I can't install windows on my Asus tablet, etc :P | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | from our pov libhybris is pretty much 'one driver' | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | which is very useful at times | 23:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Minimizing radiation, from my POV, pretty much goes hand in hand with minimizing power user | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | user* | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | actually I think the forced dependency on a single kernel version is a bigger issue than the binary Android drivers | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | .... U S E * | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: well | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | i got a bit different perspective on that after we tried to upgrade n900 with the same people who had made the patches in first place | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | it's ****** hard. | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | we even tried to go the full-upstream-only route | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | Though... I'm not all too familiar with the "electrosensitive" community, does frequency matter? Can we get frequency information from the cellular modem? It'd also help in deciding what kind of booster antenna to purchase :> | 23:51 |
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| M4rtinK | I guess I'm kinda spoilt by the situation on the desktop :) | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 23:52 |
| Kabouik | Sorry cristi, phaeron, got an Internet issue | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | i hope systemd guys realize too that desktop is a rarity at some point and understand old kernels are still very much in use | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | 3.4/3.10 specifically | 23:52 |
| Kabouik | It seems that whenever I enable internet sharing on Windows for RNDIS, then I lose my internet connection :/ | 23:52 |
| phaeron | Kabouik: playing with internet settings to get sharing ? :) | 23:52 |
| Kabouik | Indeed :< | 23:53 |
| cristi | Kabouik: try sharing the other interface | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | at least there is now the Server Base System Architecture (SBSA) initiative to force some sanity in the 64 bit arm world | 23:53 |
| cristi | not the USB one | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | Systemd guys accomodating real life, or user opinion? Oh my gosh, you're totally fucked if you're relying on that. | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: which nobody uses in mobile though | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | but I guess that still won't help in the mobile realm | 23:53 |
| Kabouik | I did too, but then I can't telnet with the Jolla anymore | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | it is called Server Base :) | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, I'm afraid the current insanity will just go on even on armv8 | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | hey, question, will jolla tablet have houdini? :-) | 23:54 |
| cristi | Kabouik: the thing is windows might set another IP subnet on the internal interface | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | maybe at least with device tree this time | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: you have some android-intel tablets ooi | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | what does ooi mean? | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | out of interest | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 23:55 |
| cristi | Kabouik: try to set a secondary IP on either the jolla or the windows USB interface | 23:55 |
| cristi | Kabouik: so the subnets would match | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: what happens if you frantically tap volume up and plug in usb, when device is totally powered off? | 23:55 |
| cristi | Kabouik: then telnet to that one | 23:55 |
| Kabouik | Yes it puts tje RNDIS to 1168.1.137.1 cristi, but I tried setting it to 10.42.66.66 back: no sucess. The network is still displayed as unidentified, so no connection to the Recovery console | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, uh, never tried it | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | oh! I thought ooi is is something like calling "hey!", maybe in Finish or something :) | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | But it kinda sounds like the procedure for accessing restore menu on my windows tablet | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: let me know if it throws you into uefi settings | 23:56 |
| Kabouik | 192.168.137.1* sorry | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | will do | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | As a sidenote, Unity (One of the popular graphics/game engines on PC) has an ARM port. | 23:57 |
| cristi | Kabouik: don't change the windows one, try adding a second IP on the jolla | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | The Arm/android port isn't complied for x86, and crashes :) | 23:58 |
| Kabouik | Can't add second on Jolla (RNDIS network, right?): no option for that. But I tried to change the primary one. | 23:58 |
| cristi | my device just rebooted successfully, yay! :D | 23:58 |
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| ShadowJK | ... The linux 64 bit port of unity is apparently rock solid. The 64 bit port of unity for desktop windows, is unstable. The mind boggles :D | 23:58 |
| cvp_ | coderus your mumpen64 ist working well ? :D | 23:59 |
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