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| salyavin | Sad perhaps it'll get a few "open source" people to move towards Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch. Many won't move because of the closed parts of Sailfish (lipstick etc.) saying it's no more open but if Google keeps this up it may push some more of those people our way. | 00:44 |
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| salyavin | Mainstream user does not care though. | 00:54 |
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| salyavin | http://www.arvopaperi.fi/uutisarkisto/jolla+hakee+uutta+rahaa+kasvuun+edessa+liiketoiminnan+skaalaaminen/a1035958 | 01:18 |
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| salyavin | Maybe next phone will be made by some partner if Jolla finds one. | 01:28 |
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| tiwake | peppermint schnapps anyone? | 04:20 |
| Ezko | no | 04:23 |
| tiwake | aww | 04:24 |
| Ezko | horrible | 04:24 |
| tiwake | dont like peppermint? | 04:24 |
| Ezko | when you add the schnapps part | 04:24 |
| Ezko | no | 04:24 |
| tiwake | some of the lower alcohol peppermint schnapps taste like syrup... those are rather bleh | 04:25 |
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| Tofe | morning all | 07:55 |
| Tofe | (and happy santa lucia, for those walking with lights on their head) | 07:56 |
| Tofe | I could receice an mms yesterday | 07:56 |
| Tofe | but... that was when i had killed mms-engine before. How is that only possible? | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't be | 07:58 |
| Tofe | I didn't restart my device yet, and pidof mms-engine is still empty, i.e. not restarted by systemd, just in case | 08:01 |
| Tofe | well I'll do more tests, maybe my phone is just having some paranormal activity, nothing scary | 08:03 |
| special | Tofe: mms-engine is launched by dbus when it's needed | 08:08 |
| special | and it quits when it's done | 08:08 |
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| japa-fi | What's the difference between "PC Mode" and "Developer mode" when connecting the USB to the device? | 08:16 |
| Morpog_PC | developer mode = rndis | 08:19 |
| Morpog_PC | pc mode = mtp | 08:19 |
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| coderus | i missed mass storage mode btw :( | 08:33 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, I can see from commits that they plan some fake mass storage mode | 08:34 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: this one looks interesting also: https://openrepos.net/content/beidl/isodrive | 08:37 |
| Morpog_PC | but thats the other way around if i understood it correctly | 08:38 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: well, if you mount it in rw mode you ok :) | 08:39 |
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| Tofe | special : oh, ok. but then it seems to work better when started via dbus... or maybe it didn't fully take the various configuration changes into account before. I just know it works now, so good for me! | 09:03 |
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| Waitee | 13th december: I still dont have a TOHKBD | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | when is it due anyhow | 09:09 |
| r0kk3rz | moin | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz | Waitee: isnt april the expected shipping date? | 09:11 |
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| Morpog_PC | seems people don't read nowadays, but spend money on it :D | 09:13 |
| r0kk3rz | Morpog_PC: or they're just accustomed to instant gratification | 09:16 |
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| Tofe | ok, mms work after a reboot. was certainly some config not taken into account I guess. pb solved :) | 09:19 |
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| Waitee | r0kk3rz: yeah something like that | 09:27 |
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| Nicd- | hmh :/ my jolla's google contact sync hasn't worked for months | 11:03 |
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| Nicd- | added some contacts during summer, they're still not synced | 11:03 |
| Wnt | Nicd-: I also had problems with that previously. I think I even tried removing and re-adding the google account | 11:04 |
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| Wnt | what finally made it work again was factory resetting the phone and adding the account... | 11:04 |
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| rZr | thp, hi some action if pending from you | 11:28 |
| rZr | thp, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014 | 11:28 |
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| perwille | Hello; is there a way to join a xmpp MUC in sailfishos? | 15:37 |
| tbr | perwille: sadly there is not UI in the system client | 15:40 |
| perwille | tbr: too bad. No 3. party suuport either? | 15:43 |
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| tbr | perwille: I guess you could get away with installing either an android app (e.g. yaxim) or an irc client and bitlbee | 15:57 |
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| Yaniel | hmm there is an excellent irc client for sailfish... | 16:11 |
| tbr | that's why I pointed this out | 16:12 |
| Yaniel | just installing bitlbee would turn that into a nice IM client | 16:12 |
| tiwake | a good IRC client is necessary for any given operating system | 16:13 |
| tbr | alternatively a good terminal and ssh | 16:13 |
| tiwake | thats what ZNC is for :P | 16:14 |
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| mornfall | Yaniel: I'm not quite sure bitlbee on the phone is going to work very well... it'd be better if telepathy could use bitlbee as a transport IMO | 16:27 |
| mornfall | Yaniel: otherwise you lose the integration with GSM (calls, SMS) and email... | 16:28 |
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| coderus | is it only for me Shazam (android) not hear anything? | 16:39 |
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| coderus | and seems all android apps not hear my microphone. | 16:39 |
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| RavenholmDX | Just got this for my Jolla http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005TFG91K/ref=sr_ph?ie=UTF8&qid=1418510889&sr=1&keywords=fitbag+jolla | 22:48 |
| RavenholmDX | really awesome | 22:48 |
| RavenholmDX | fits perfectly | 22:48 |
| Waitee | "Jolla Sailfish" as if Sailfish is the phone model :--D | 22:49 |
| Waitee | loogs good though | 22:49 |
| Waitee | looks even | 22:49 |
| RavenholmDX | it's really good quality | 22:49 |
| RavenholmDX | super soft on the inside | 22:49 |
| RavenholmDX | phone doesn't fall out if I hold it upside down | 22:50 |
| Waitee | those sleeves tend to get loose with time though :3 | 22:51 |
| RavenholmDX | I don't think it will though | 22:51 |
| RavenholmDX | it's not a very stretchable fabric | 22:51 |
| RavenholmDX | and it's not on super tight, so there's not much stress on the threads | 22:51 |
| ln- | interesting idea: https://together.jolla.com/question/70988/lets-ditch-browser-tabs/ | 22:51 |
| Waitee | still, use it for a year and it will get less tight ^^ | 22:52 |
| RavenholmDX | that's what she said | 22:52 |
| Waitee | huehue | 22:52 |
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| RavenholmDX | I recently switched to Arch Linux | 22:53 |
| RavenholmDX | really liking it | 22:53 |
| coderus | ln-: noo | 22:54 |
| coderus | wtf? | 22:54 |
| coderus | it will be diferent browser | 22:54 |
| coderus | not sailfish browser | 22:54 |
| coderus | why the hell users want to break anything | 22:54 |
| coderus | and keep the name | 22:54 |
| coderus | please do other browser | 22:54 |
| coderus | and dont touch sailfish-browser | 22:54 |
| ln- | i'm not sure if ditching is the right thing to do, but some of the points are valid imho | 22:57 |
| coderus | sailfish-browser should go it's own way | 22:58 |
| Venemo_j | it's != its | 22:58 |
| coderus | so? | 22:59 |
| Venemo_j | otherwise, yeah | 22:59 |
| coderus | i just see: "Hey! I just switched on my old N9 and it have great UI, let's destroy all sailfish-browser features and do simple-as-possible browser!" | 23:00 |
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| phlixi | well, I think the browser should again open links in new tabs (as was before update 6 or 7) | 23:03 |
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| coderus | well | 23:03 |
| phlixi | right now i allways open a new tab, to have incoming links not overwrite the "real" last tab... | 23:03 |
| phlixi | besides that, holy shit, do not remove tabs! :-) | 23:03 |
| coderus | you just need to wait next sailfish browser (it will not be in u10) first | 23:03 |
| salyavin | I like browser tabs | 23:04 |
| salyavin | Maybe someone should write notab browser and put it in market | 23:04 |
| coderus | not me | 23:05 |
| coderus | i like tabs also :D | 23:05 |
| phlixi | and besides that, i think i have seen some option at tjc to remove tabs,might have been a commandline option to the browser, not sure | 23:05 |
| coderus | phlixi: well, this features are in browser already | 23:05 |
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| phlixi | or at least to start multiple browsers | 23:05 |
| coderus | just decided to use tabs | 23:05 |
| coderus | browser can create tabs | 23:06 |
| coderus | or can create new tasks for pages | 23:06 |
| phlixi | at this very moment i have | 23:06 |
| phlixi | ...41 tabs open. | 23:06 |
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| salyavin | On your phone!?!?! | 23:07 |
| phlixi | ...this would be crap if those would be all own windows... | 23:07 |
| phlixi | yes | 23:07 |
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| phlixi | kinda like "short term bookmarks" | 23:07 |
| salyavin | surprised you didn't run out of memory | 23:07 |
| phlixi | most of them arnt loaded | 23:07 |
| salyavin | ah OK I can see how that could work then. | 23:08 |
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| phlixi | and i am actually pretty happy how good this works | 23:08 |
| salyavin | I'm on opt-in update and run out of memory now and then and screen goes dark and it kills something and comes back. Often it kills android weechat. | 23:08 |
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| salyavin | know issue of course so expected | 23:09 |
| phlixi | well, i choose not to update, since i read about some issue with gpodder, which is th emost important app for me ;) | 23:09 |
| salyavin | I use gpodder, what's supposed to happen to it? | 23:09 |
| phlixi | (2hours commuting every day) | 23:09 |
| salyavin | Does your gpodder have a play que? | 23:10 |
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| phlixi | do not remember, and maybe its not related after all, it was just mentioned together with optin update | 23:10 |
| phlixi | i dont think so | 23:10 |
| salyavin | that's my gpodder issue. When I go to the office I also do 2 hours commute | 23:10 |
| salyavin | and tomorrow I will do 3 hours commute to take someone to airport | 23:10 |
| salyavin | no play que is dangerous ^-^;; | 23:11 |
| phlixi | no problem all all items are about 1, 2 or 3 hours to play | 23:11 |
| phlixi | :-) | 23:11 |
| salyavin | Some like Linux Outlaws (ending) can be 1.5 hours but some news like NHK news is often 15 or 20 min. | 23:12 |
| phlixi | i just recently found out, that gpodder 4 now supports resuming aborted downloads, thats great (just missed that on n9 a lot) | 23:12 |
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| salyavin | Yes gpodder 4 does that. | 23:12 |
| salyavin | No synching with gpodder.net but I can live with that. | 23:13 |
| phlixi | (actually gpodder 2 already did that) | 23:13 |
| salyavin | play que is what drives me crazy | 23:13 |
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| salyavin | but gpodder 4 never gave me problems on opt in update. | 23:13 |
| salyavin | gpodder 4 seems much faster updating podcasts than 3 | 23:13 |
| phlixi | everyting works fine, thus no need to update here... | 23:13 |
| salyavin | 2 been a while, should turn on my N900 | 23:14 |
| phlixi | on n900 it had auto download on wlan, auto search for new episodes | 23:14 |
| salyavin | Totally makes sense phlixi there's some issues where the phone briefly becomes unresponsive when out of memory | 23:14 |
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| salyavin | But otherwise I actually enjoy the update. | 23:15 |
| salyavin | but for stability yea stay where you are | 23:15 |
| phlixi | and not sure, but i think it could play while downloading, while now i think you can not keep a "streamed" episode | 23:15 |
| salyavin | well they did do a complete rewrite. | 23:15 |
| phlixi | yes, and as usual, it end up with less features ;) | 23:16 |
| salyavin | just we're a year in and missing play que. I remember gpodder was a paid app on OVI store which probably helped development. | 23:16 |
| salyavin | maybe we can ask coderus to help out gpodder :P | 23:17 |
| phlixi | :D | 23:17 |
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| salyavin | or thp can post a indigo campaign. If we reach this goal, I'll add a play que, next goal gpodder.net synching etc. | 23:18 |
| salyavin | I saw he had recently ported to Android so that's probably what is amusing him now with the time he has. | 23:19 |
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| phlixi | I tried it out just out of curiosity | 23:19 |
| salyavin | Didn't see how many people were helping him, I got the impression less than gpodder 3 | 23:20 |
| phlixi | i have no idea about all this qt stuff on android, but does not seem right to me | 23:20 |
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| salyavin | well some people even run android software on blackberry or sailfish which is the opposite :P | 23:21 |
| phlixi | got killed while playback after a time, using back button kills the app... UI sticks out on android | 23:21 |
| salyavin | gpodder 4 is in blackberry too. | 23:21 |
| salyavin | Did you give feedback about the issues you ran into? | 23:21 |
| phlixi | yep, but i never saw an blackberry in real life ;) | 23:22 |
| phlixi | not so far, he is avare of it | 23:22 |
| phlixi | (of course, a lot of the old blackberries) | 23:23 |
| salyavin | OK. I'd rather he add features than fix that of course ;P | 23:24 |
| salyavin | Lots of good youtube vids on blackberry 10 | 23:24 |
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| salyavin | feels like someone say an N9 | 23:24 |
| salyavin | saw an N9 | 23:24 |
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| salyavin | more closed source than sailfish or android so not for me. | 23:25 |
| salyavin | little bits are open though, bits of the browser for example. | 23:25 |
| phlixi | actually i dont care. if i would not have the preference to have an open device, i would take apple in no time... | 23:25 |
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| phlixi | ...or android if I would not mind having google knowing too much | 23:26 |
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| salyavin | OK. Besides preferring more openness, apple restricts apps last I knew (no sideloading etc.) so less you can actually do with your device. iOS is terrible at multitasking | 23:26 |
| salyavin | blackberry is much better. | 23:26 |
| salyavin | yea normal google android you are the product | 23:26 |
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| jonwil | Last I checked iOS is the only phone OS where you have to pay money to the vendor to be able to write your own software and run it on your own device. | 23:27 |
| jonwil | Even Window Phone lets you develop on your own device for free last I heard. | 23:28 |
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| phlixi | this apple stuff works pretty well, and the multitasking downsides arnt that bad.... a propper podcast player will not stop while in background. its just that its closed what i do not like (and icloud... i want to be the master about my data...). | 23:28 |
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| phlixi | i do not see valid arguments besides that agains them... | 23:29 |
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| salyavin | can't develop on your own phone is not a valid argument against them? | 23:29 |
| phlixi | well, you see that as a price you have to pay for the device, 500 for the device and 100 to develop. its like 600 for the device | 23:29 |
| salyavin | http://www.arvopaperi.fi/uutisarkisto/jolla+hakee+uutta+rahaa+kasvuun+edessa+liiketoiminnan+skaalaaminen/a1035958 Hope this means Jolla has a partner and not just looking for one. | 23:30 |
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| phlixi | salyavin: http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/11/jolla-series-b/ (but did not read it so far^^) | 23:31 |
| salyavin | Looks like their next phone may come from a partner | 23:34 |
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| phlixi | i dont mind, as long as it does not get bigger | 23:37 |
| phlixi | (i still think n9 is the perfect brick) | 23:37 |
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| phlixi | while talking about updates, there is actually one thing... | 23:41 |
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| phlixi | ...currently it happens sometimes, that the browser interprets my taps on the wrong position. is this fixed in u9/u10? | 23:42 |
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| salyavin | I'm perfecty happy to have the phone come out from a partner. | 23:44 |
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| salyavin | N9 was nice in some ways. saiflish is more open. N9 Aegis was a little annoybing. I loved the N9 social feed screen. Saiflish does not have that. Would like to see that again but with the ability to reply without opening a separate app. N9 did SIP and xmpp and such and could have them in the same contact. Saiflish even xmpp has a separate contact. Sailfish not friendly with SIP (no easy GUI | 23:46 |
| salyavin | options). | 23:46 |
| salyavin | N9 seemed to have more apps more quickly | 23:47 |
| salyavin | N9 gpodder had a play que ;P | 23:47 |
| phlixi | :) | 23:48 |
| salyavin | N9 had a pentaband modem I used around the world | 23:48 |
| salyavin | Jolla no | 23:48 |
| salyavin | N9 camera seems waay waay better than the Jolla | 23:49 |
| phlixi | well, wlan sucks on n9n^^ | 23:49 |
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| salyavin | how so? | 23:49 |
| salyavin | worked awesome for me for years | 23:50 |
| salyavin | home and public spots like hospital, airport, coffee shop | 23:50 |
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| phlixi | had a lot of problems (with two different n9s), as if the scope was really small | 23:51 |
| phlixi | bad reception | 23:51 |
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| phlixi | at work (that might be a special problem with the wlan there...) often very very high packet loss | 23:52 |
| salyavin | how's Jolla doing the same thing? | 23:53 |
| special | salyavin: if you pull down on your contacts you can select "link" and merge them together | 23:53 |
| phlixi | e.g. when i go to the ablcoy, this means there is just a (ok, litle bit thicker) wall and like 5m between me and the AP, n9 looses connection. no problems with all other devices | 23:54 |
| special | to combine XMPP and other services, etc. | 23:54 |
| phlixi | ...to the balcony... | 23:54 |
| salyavin | Maybe I had an unusually good N9. | 23:55 |
| salyavin | Where was yours made? | 23:55 |
| phlixi | idk, maybe i have to bad n9s ^^ | 23:55 |
| phlixi | two* | 23:55 |
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| phlixi | the sim holder says "made in china" | 23:56 |
| phlixi | the other one says "made in finland" | 23:56 |
| phlixi | i use it as clock in the beedroom :D | 23:57 |
| salyavin | So even different places. | 23:57 |
| salyavin | I miss easy VOIP on N9. Jolla is hugely faster though. | 23:58 |
| phlixi | when playing games, i use the n9 for skype, pretty much the last usecase | 23:59 |
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