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| stephg | \o/ timezones! | 00:13 |
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| tbr | good moaning | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | good morning tbr | 06:00 |
| tbr | moo Stskeeps, how's the universe and everything? | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | kid decided 5am was a fine time to wake up on a sunday | 06:02 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm learning more about linux virtual memory than i ever wanted to | 06:02 |
| tbr | heh | 06:02 |
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| tbr | added fun due to DST change | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 06:03 |
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| pp_ | haha, 6am here :-) | 06:15 |
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| ztane | hmm how did the dst change go, my wife whom I gave my jolla yesterday said the time was 1 hour too early... | 06:36 |
| ztane | that is went from UTC+3 straight to UTC+1 :? | 06:37 |
| ztane | auto time updates were on... | 06:38 |
| tbr | looks fine here. let me check the other jolla | 06:42 |
| tbr | hmm, the other one was still stuck on german time zone, but correctly went from +2 to +1 (it doesn't have a SIM, so won't pick up the network time offset to adjust itself after I cambe back from ELCE) | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | and double checking, are you in ukraine? | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | and u8 or u0 | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | u9 | 06:49 |
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| TMavica | coderus: ping | 06:57 |
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| flapjack | To whomever admins the jolla.com website: Suggestion: Enable HSTS, fix inecure page elements and get a SHA2 cert + chain. Also, using google-analytics is a bit of a faux pas for a company trying to be security concious... my two cents, enjoy your weekend | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | security@jolla.com | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | this is a community channel | 07:53 |
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| tbr | on a curious note: what does analytics have to do with security? privacy, yes, no questions, but security? | 07:54 |
| flapjack | Stskeeps: I know, I sincerely hope staff follows what goes on in here. That's kinda the point | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | we do, but it's going to be tracked properly when it goes to security@ - irc isn't a bugtracker :) | 07:56 |
| tbr | your point is to throw something into a random place instead using a proper channel? | 07:56 |
| flapjack | tbr: Yes, absolutely. My general experience that if you contact any company with suggestions like this, they will always ignore you. If you put it to the community, more people will take notice. Simple | 07:58 |
| * tbr laughs | 07:58 | |
| Stskeeps | well, we're a bit different in that regard.. | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | i think there's a high rate of responses to security@, despite many of them being in finnish.. | 07:58 |
| flapjack | Besides, always useful to see how active IRC is before buying any product, so far so good | 07:58 |
| flapjack | Stskeeps: I get that impression, yes. No offence intended | 07:59 |
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| phaeron | hmm he left | 08:15 |
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| Nicd- | Jolla Harbour died | 10:00 |
| Nicd- | getting 502 bad gateway | 10:00 |
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| Nicd- | and fixed | 10:01 |
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| kimmoli | it has some sporadic hickups like that .. | 10:01 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: pushing sailtime update? :) | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | coderus: already pushed yesterday | 10:04 |
| TMavica | coderus: i sent you log about wrong code in mitakuuluu | 10:05 |
| coderus | TMavica: i dont care, ok? | 10:05 |
| TMavica | ... | 10:05 |
| coderus | Nicd-: ok, good :) | 10:05 |
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| kimmoli | "is it published yet?" ... there should be some push-notification integration (or at least email) | 10:06 |
| Nicd- | yeah | 10:08 |
| kimmoli | or something like mer-boss.. would not need to keep refreshing store either | 10:09 |
| Nicd- | don't think they'll publish it over the weekend though | 10:09 |
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| TMavica | coderus: finally solved by enter the URL received in SMS. v.whatsapp.com/xxxxx/ then enter the code again | 10:23 |
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| AJAX555 | umm, so I cana buy TOH with this jolla voucher? | 10:24 |
| AJAX555 | -a | 10:24 |
| Shinryuu | no, you give someone a -100€ redeem code if he buys a phone and you'll get a aloe case for free if the code is used | 10:25 |
| AJAX555 | ah apparenty no | 10:25 |
| AJAX555 | damn all these typos today | 10:25 |
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| AJAX555 | sadly I already have aloe TOH | 10:26 |
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| Shinryuu | I have this poppy red one | 10:26 |
| Shinryuu | wish someone wants to use my redeem code.. I tried to ask several friends and family but no success yet | 10:28 |
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| AJAX555 | I wonder when we'll get more TOHs.. d; | 10:33 |
| coderus | TMavica: you received an url in sms? o_O | 10:34 |
| TMavica | yes | 10:34 |
| coderus | TMavica: wow | 10:34 |
| TMavica | it not happen before | 10:34 |
| TMavica | my fd same | 10:34 |
| coderus | TMavica: yeah | 10:35 |
| TMavica | we both reset | 10:35 |
| TMavica | and need install all thing | 10:35 |
| coderus | thats pretty interesting | 10:35 |
| TMavica | first time register in mitakuuluu, it do all in auto, but it said invalid code | 10:35 |
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| TMavica | that sms include a URL to tell me verify my device, and i entered and that site said verified | 10:36 |
| nomeata | Stupid question, but what is the equivalent of "apt-get install less" on a jolla? | 10:36 |
| TMavica | i enter that code in mitakuuluu again, then success | 10:36 |
| Morpog_PC | pkcon install less | 10:37 |
| Morpog_PC | as root | 10:37 |
| Morpog_PC | pkcon refresh | 10:37 |
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| Morpog_PC | not sure if you need to install another repo first | 10:37 |
| Morpog_PC | nomeata, | 10:37 |
| nomeata | thx | 10:38 |
| Morpog_PC | err not install, enable/add | 10:38 |
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| nomeata | seems like it is not available by default | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's in mer-tools | 10:40 |
| stephg | is in mer-tools I think | 10:40 |
| Raim | nomeata: less is in the mer-tools repository, you can add that with 'ssu ar mer-tools; ssu ur' | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | ssu ar mer-tools | 10:40 |
| nomeata | hmmm, that did’t cut it. I added the repo, ran pkcon refresh, but pkgcon instal less still does not find it | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | ssu ar mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon install less | 10:44 |
| nomeata | that’s what I did | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | shoould work | 10:45 |
| stephg | ssu ur | 10:45 |
| stephg | after ar | 10:46 |
| nomeata | also did that | 10:46 |
| nomeata | (but that went very fast and did not print any output – normal?) | 10:46 |
| stephg | ur is quick yeah | 10:46 |
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| nomeata | ah, pkconf refresh force helped | 10:49 |
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| Yaniel | pkcon* | 11:00 |
| Yaniel | from PackageKit CONsole | 11:00 |
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| Sailor8545 | Hi all, text prediction in Sailfish keyboard, what kind of word dictionary was used for it? Are there freely available dictionaries available to use for keyboard software development? | 11:31 |
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| stephg | hi Sailor8545 the prediction is an implimentation of xt9 | 11:52 |
| stephg | so it's closed :( | 11:52 |
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| stephg | that said there have been folks in the community tinkering with the keyboards (and there's at least one swype-like implimentation in development in the community) | 11:52 |
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| Cazou | also, would it be a good idea to use a kernel compiled for a samsung galaxy s4 mini (which has a Qualcomm MSM8930 SoC) | 13:55 |
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| tobiski | Hi. I tried to use the 100e coupon code sent by email but it says "Coupon code is invalid". Has this been common problem or should I be in contact with care@jolla.com? | 13:58 |
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| attah | tobiski: your own code on your own account? I got the impression that they were intended for sharing with friends.. so they *might* be limited for use on other accounts. | 14:04 |
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| tobiski | Oh nvm, the coupon code is supposed to be used only when buying the phone... | 14:05 |
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| attah | that too.. | 14:05 |
| tobiski | attah: no it's not limited to friends only, but to phone only | 14:05 |
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| attah | tobiski: could be good to know, thanks :) | 14:07 |
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| Shinryuu_ | I can't get anyone to use my code from my friends, family etc. lol | 14:10 |
| attah | #hipsterproblems | 14:10 |
| Shinryuu_ | ^ | 14:10 |
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| rangoy | others than me that has problems with connectivity after the latest optin update? my wife has tried to call me several times without getting through | 14:15 |
| Yaniel | wlan and sms have been working just fine | 14:16 |
| ottulonen | rangoy: did you install the hotfix? | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | haven't used the rest yet | 14:16 |
| Cazou | I tried booting the recovery partition through fastboot but it did not boot and the device restarted | 14:16 |
| rangoy | ottulonen: yes happened both before and after | 14:21 |
| rangoy | the reception is not very great here, but I think it was within range. i might have to test a bit more | 14:22 |
| ottulonen | all right, I don't know more about it but thought it | 14:23 |
| ottulonen | thought it worth cheking | 14:23 |
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| rangoy | ottulonen: ok.. thanks. i'll test a bit more later and analyze the logs if it happens again | 14:24 |
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| Cazou | Hey, does Jolla plan on releasing an android image for their device ? | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | why would they do that? | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | reasons such as certification | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to and beat really hard at it, it should be possible though | 15:31 |
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| pawky|2 | what on earth is Oauth2 applications and its tokens and keys? | 16:13 |
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| rangoy | pawky|2: what do you know and what do you want to know? Do you know that it is an protocol for autorizing users? used for eg. loging in to service X with eg. an facebook ID | 16:23 |
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| pawky|2 | rangoy: Well.. I was looking into my jolla account and saw this menu item... just wandered what it is used for, as I can see it... | 16:25 |
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| rangoy | pawky|2: https://together.jolla.com/question/19640/what-is-the-oauth2-applications-site-on-jolla-web-account-for-and-how-does-it-work/ see the comment comment from adams | 16:35 |
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| pawky|2 | has anyone else here tampered with the data location of the android to make it use the SD card instead? :-) | 17:03 |
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| pawky|2 | for those who have, I am wondering over this line in the androidsdcard.service : After=local-fs.target mount-sd@mmcblk1.service | 17:12 |
| pawky|2 | doesn't that line stat I should also find a file mountsd@mmcblk1.service under /etc/systemd/system ? | 17:13 |
| pawky|2 | I only see mount-sd@.service there... | 17:13 |
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| pawky|2 | (as of writing I don't have much of a clue regarding that systemd stuff....) | 17:17 |
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| pawky|2 | ok.. i get it, i will have to learn systemd... :-( | 17:20 |
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| pawky|2 | Can any one telle me why this guide https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ will make a phone boot loop? | 17:36 |
| pawky|2 | I mean, yes you are fiddling with the alien dalvik data directories, but thats about it... | 17:36 |
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| pawky|2 | when enabling a systemd service it does someting like this ln -s '/etc/systemd/system/androidsdcard.service' '/etc/systemd/system/aliendalvik.service.wants/androidsdcard.service' | 17:51 |
| pawky|2 | well.. now when things got sour and boot looping I presume I need to get rid of that symlink... but when booting up in rescue mode and mounting mmcblk0p28 i cannot find /etc/systemd/system/local-fs.target :-( | 17:53 |
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| pawky|2 | (after chrooting) | 17:53 |
| pawky|2 | can anybody explain what is needet to get rid of my androidsdcard.service again? | 17:54 |
| pawky|2 | does nobody know how to get rid of a service for sure in rescue mode??? | 17:57 |
| pawky|2 | I actually don't really understand what the problem was in the first place as i did a systemctl start androidsdcard.service and stop it and there was no complaints what so ever.. and it did mount my sdcard over /data/media | 17:58 |
| pawky|2 | and unmount it when stopping it again.. | 17:59 |
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| Tofe | Does Jolla know that the wifi tethering leaks a lot of battery, even after it has been switched off ? | 18:01 |
| joonahoi | :q | 18:02 |
| pawky|2 | nobody in here wants to help me from boot loop hell? | 18:02 |
| Tofe | (ah, already on TJC https://together.jolla.com/question/39605/bug-wifi-hotspot-doesnt-turn-off-when-closing-it-battery-drains/ ) | 18:03 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: getting rid of a service is a systemctl mask <service> if that can help | 18:05 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: interesting... but am I right that cannot be achieved in rescue mode? | 18:05 |
| Tofe | I don't know :) I've never used the rescue mode myself, so I don't know what the exact environment is | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: yes | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's a @$@$@$ of a bug | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | turns out android will rmmod a wlan module and insmod it | 18:06 |
| pawky|2 | Stskeeps: whas that an anser to me? | 18:06 |
| pawky|2 | ohh.. | 18:06 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: ah, sweet android. Ok, well, looks like you know about it ;) | 18:07 |
| Yaniel | what the actual fsck? :D | 18:07 |
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| pawky|2 | Stskeeps: hey... you are usually good at hard core stuff.. don't you have any suggestions to throw my way? :-) | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | not atm | 18:08 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: if systemctl is disabled somehow in rescue mode, it would sound strange to me. What's the point of a rescue mode where you can't modify the system you're trying to rescue ? | 18:08 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: true... | 18:09 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: however, the mask thing can be done easily by hand too | 18:09 |
| pawky|2 | but why can I not find what systemctl did earlies ln -s '/etc/systemd/system/androidsdcard.service' '/etc/systemd/system/local-fs.target.wants/androidsdcard.service' | 18:09 |
| pawky|2 | i cannot find /etc/systemd/system/local-fstarget.wants which I assume is the one I need to remove somehow to not boot loop | 18:10 |
| pawky|2 | there is no local-fstarget.wants :-( | 18:11 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: ^^ | 18:11 |
| Tofe | so there is no androidsdcard.service file at all, in the end ? | 18:12 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: it was there.. but I am now trying to remove it all due to boot looping | 18:12 |
| pawky|2 | i had it under /etc/systemd/system/ | 18:12 |
| Tofe | let me see how it looks like on my jolla (it's still in 1.0.8.x, though) | 18:12 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: mine as well | 18:13 |
| pawky|2 | 1.0.8.21 | 18:13 |
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| locusf | I'm getting ghost missed calls again | 18:20 |
| pawky|2 | locusf: well.. its halloween soon.... ;-) | 18:20 |
| locusf | pawky|2: lol :) | 18:20 |
| locusf | this happens in notifications only, no missed calls in the dialer | 18:21 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: I really don't know where you androidsdcard service come from | 18:22 |
| Tofe | I don't have it on my system | 18:22 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: well.. I made that one.. | 18:22 |
| Tofe | oh, ok :) | 18:22 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: I am following the guide to make android use the sdcard instead | 18:23 |
| Tofe | ah ok, didn't read all the backlog, sorry | 18:23 |
| pawky|2 | and after followint the guide the phone starts boot looping.. last time i solved it with dd an image back upon mmcblk0p28 | 18:23 |
| pawky|2 | this time however I thought of getting to the bottom of the problem,as if looking upon what one is doing, there cannot be to much that can go wrong doing so... | 18:24 |
| Tofe | looks like systemctl didn't create the .wants directory by mistake | 18:25 |
| pawky|2 | The only thing done here is coping the android /data/media directory to th sd card and do an (overload?) mount of the ordinary /data/media /to the sdcard | 18:26 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: while waiting for your results.. i just did the systemctl start androidsdcard.service again and I noticed that one creates the local-fs directory | 18:26 |
| Tofe | well, even a systemctl enable should create it, iirc | 18:27 |
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| pawky|2 | Tofe: so the question is.. what will be the cleanup procedure of : https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 18:28 |
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| Tofe | systemctl disable androidsdcard.service should do it | 18:29 |
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| pawky|2 | Tofe: as I thought.. but no | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | just doing some winter cleaning of the bans | 18:30 |
| Tofe | :) | 18:30 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: ah, yes, there's all the mess with the partition mounts | 18:30 |
| pawky|2 | but the androidsdcard.service worked nicely when testing it, before rebooting.. | 18:31 |
| pawky|2 | so what on earth is making it boot loop??? | 18:31 |
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| Tofe | by boot loop, you mean reboot, not systemd dependancy loop, right? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | chances are your mmc didn't appear yet to the system by the time it was needed. | 18:33 |
| Tofe | but it's supposed to be set after local-fs, and (I guess) that one needs mmc | 18:34 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: booting, starting over again booting etc.. | 18:36 |
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| pawky|2 | Stskeeps: fair enough, so whats the recipe to fix this? | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | dependencies. | 18:38 |
| pawky|2 | Stskeeps: I am aaaaall ears | 18:38 |
| pawky|2 | Stskeeps: but don't you agree, if simply removing my androidsdcard.service it should all come up normally, but this it doesn't :-( | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | now it's doctor who time, but dev-mmcblk1p1.service ish may help.. | 18:39 |
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| pawky|2 | Stskeeps: damn doctor who.... | 18:40 |
| pawky|2 | ;-) | 18:40 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: maybe you new sdcard partionning conflicts with what the mount service is used to see | 18:40 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: Its partitioned btrfs... | 18:41 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: you waited till sunday evening ! I couldn't. | 18:41 |
| pawky|2 | but /dev/mmcblkp1p1 | 18:41 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: so.. what is it used to see? I thgouth it was btrfs | 18:42 |
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| pawky|2 | if dd'ing a mmcblk0p28 image over the current one fixes the issue somehow, its all about some config file or simillar doing something bad, and one should be able to fix it a bit quicker than doing so... | 18:43 |
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| Tofe | apart from disabling and removing the systemd service, I don't see the difference, I agree | 18:45 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: so, figuring this one out could be a major breakthrough to them who wants to use the sd card :-) | 18:47 |
| Tofe | The .wants directories (local-fs and aliendalvik)must be checked for any remaining unwanted link | 18:47 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: could you check if your /etc/systemd/system has aliendalvik.service ? | 18:48 |
| Tofe | no alien in /etc, no | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: only because i forgot it was sunday due to getting up at 5am due to a very awake child.. | 18:48 |
| Tofe | no local-fs either | 18:48 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: local-fs seems to get created when enabling the androidsdcard.service | 18:49 |
| pawky|2 | but shouldnt the aliendalvik service be there? hmmm. | 18:49 |
| pawky|2 | my assumption is if you do: systemctl stop aliendalvik.service then there should be a file called aliendalvik.service right? | 18:50 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: well, aliendalvik.target.wants should be created I guess | 18:50 |
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| Tofe | pawky|2: yes, it is in /lib | 18:50 |
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| pawky|2 | Tofe: ok...? what on earth is it doing there? | 18:50 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: I see you didn't enjoy the additional hour of the week-end so much :) | 18:51 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: no idea. I don't see what could have created it. | 18:51 |
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| Tofe | pawky|2: ah wait, I misunderstood you | 18:52 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: it is in /lib because it is part of the low level systemd config | 18:53 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: ok.. maybe now we are getting somewhere... | 18:53 |
| pawky|2 | and where is this low level mumbo jumbo configured? | 18:53 |
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| Tofe | it is all in /lib/systemd/system, like on todays distros | 18:54 |
| Tofe | but modifying that doesn't look like a good idea :) | 18:54 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: well you know, i am still a /etc/init.d/ guy.. ;-) | 18:54 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: systemd read what is in /lib, overloads it with what is in /etc | 18:55 |
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| pawky|2 | Tofe: well... but what on earth could make things go heavily wrong if following the instructions on how to move android data to the sd card.. that even when undoing these things it doesnt work??? | 18:56 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: hmm.. | 18:56 |
| Tofe | pawky|2: but you never modified /lib | 18:56 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: no.. have a quick look on that page i linked.. | 18:56 |
| Tofe | I did | 18:56 |
| pawky|2 | except for me having my partition as /dev/mmcblk1p1 i did the rest.. | 18:56 |
| pawky|2 | this is actually the second time I am on it as I really would like this to work.. :-) | 18:57 |
| Tofe | yep, sure | 18:57 |
| pawky|2 | last time i got back to scratch by dd ing an image over mmcblk0p28 | 18:57 |
| pawky|2 | but I think that must be very un necessary if I only could figure out what is going wrong.. | 18:57 |
| Tofe | I think you still have some spurious link in /etc | 18:57 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: you mean /etc/systemd/system right? | 18:58 |
| Tofe | right | 18:58 |
| pawky|2 | hold.. | 18:58 |
| Tofe | there shouldn't be any alien*, no local-fs* either | 18:58 |
| Tofe | The only .wants are basic, getty and multi-user | 18:59 |
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| pawky|2 | Tofe: http://pastebin.com/Qa6WBhR4 | 18:59 |
| pawky|2 | thats all there is now.. like before doing that androidsdcard.service | 19:00 |
| Tofe | mine is same: http://pastebin.com/PgFfv7Vi | 19:00 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: so the strange behaviour is unexplainable.. | 19:01 |
| Tofe | it boots with sdcard outside of phone ? | 19:01 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: don't think so.. didn't last time but havent tried now.. hold... | 19:01 |
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| Tofe | by the way, there is something important to look at: the journal | 19:02 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: continue | 19:02 |
| pawky|2 | nope.. still boot looping.. | 19:03 |
| pawky|2 | only way to stop it is to remove battery | 19:03 |
| Tofe | journalctl -l -e | 19:03 |
| Tofe | will show you the last lines of the journal, you can scroll up with arrows | 19:04 |
| pawky|2 | checking | 19:04 |
| pawky|2 | in rescue mode, no journal files where found | 19:05 |
| Tofe | you are as root, right ? | 19:05 |
| pawky|2 | yes.. | 19:05 |
| pawky|2 | i am a s root in rescue with a chroot | 19:05 |
| Tofe | ah. curious. mmh. | 19:05 |
| pawky|2 | lol | 19:05 |
| locusf | journalctl -b -1 -l -e | 19:05 |
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| pawky|2 | i believe you don't have journal working in rescue | 19:06 |
| pawky|2 | Failed to look up boot -1: Cannot assign requested address | 19:06 |
| locusf | ok | 19:07 |
| pawky|2 | I am really curious having a look at the log of this looping, what on earth is it doing? | 19:07 |
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| Tofe | but you do have the journal in /var/log, right ? | 19:08 |
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| pawky|2 | Tofe: yes... i think so, normally | 19:10 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: but /var/log/journal is empty | 19:11 |
| Tofe | yes, mine too | 19:11 |
| pawky|2 | its because, as I have heard, it is only stored in RAM duh.. | 19:11 |
| pawky|2 | or tmpfs i presume | 19:12 |
| Tofe | very possible, but such device. | 19:12 |
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| Tofe | for* | 19:12 |
| pawky|2 | some gave me a thought to get it to write to the sd card but that must be quite a hazzle.. | 19:12 |
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| pawky|2 | well.. they could just have rotating logs.. | 19:13 |
| Tofe | look at etc/systemd/journald.conf | 19:13 |
| Tofe | file setting: Store=Volatile | 19:14 |
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| tbr | you can turn on persistent log, but it's off by default | 19:14 |
| pawky|2 | change it to persistent? | 19:15 |
| pawky|2 | Store=persistent | 19:15 |
| Tofe | or "auto", as the temporary already exists | 19:15 |
| Tofe | the directory | 19:15 |
| Tofe | (needs more coffee) | 19:15 |
| pawky|2 | so... | 19:15 |
| pawky|2 | Store=auto ? | 19:15 |
| Tofe | yep | 19:15 |
| pawky|2 | boot loop here we come! | 19:16 |
| Tofe | :) | 19:16 |
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| Tofe | it was "Storage", not "Store", by the way, but I guess you understood that | 19:18 |
| Tofe | My typo rate goes through the roof... | 19:18 |
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| pawky|2 | Tofe: cool, i figured that one out.. but doing the journalctl -l -e still give nothing | 19:18 |
| pawky|2 | i did Storage=auto | 19:19 |
| pawky|2 | whatever that would mean | 19:19 |
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| Tofe | let's try persistent then | 19:19 |
| pawky|2 | :-) | 19:19 |
| Tofe | ( http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/journald.conf.html ) | 19:19 |
| pawky|2 | go go gadget... | 19:20 |
| pawky|2 | nope... | 19:22 |
| pawky|2 | as empty as my solution to this mess... | 19:22 |
| Tofe | well, I begin to be out of ideas here | 19:23 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: I assume, it hasnt even mounted the /dev/mmcblkp028 when it loops | 19:23 |
| Tofe | maybe, but journald can fallback to /run/log/journald if needed | 19:23 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: me to... but i tink its just such an easy fix once one could figure out what could mess things up whilst only doing the tiny changes for android... I believe the answer is so near, but still so far | 19:23 |
| Tofe | exactly | 19:24 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: one hs to bear in mind, as its looping and the only way to stop it is to pull the battery, i am not fully sure what the unit does when doing so... like clearing last logs.. | 19:24 |
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| pawky|2 | my philosophical thought about this is what wants me to pursue. Finding it would be a break through... at least to me ;-) | 19:25 |
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| Tofe | if there is a dependancy loop, it could well be that systemd reboots without even trying | 19:26 |
| Tofe | if it's something else, well... I don't really know :p | 19:26 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: could that lib systemd have anything to do with it somehow? | 19:27 |
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| Tofe | I don't see how... there was no modification done to it... | 19:28 |
| pawky|2 | True... | 19:28 |
| pawky|2 | but what else could there be?... | 19:28 |
| pawky|2 | i mean, once one removes that androidsdcard.service it stops overloading the /data/media and the original files will be found... so it should just boot happily | 19:29 |
| Tofe | I do agree :) | 19:32 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: thus... i am stuck... | 19:33 |
| pawky|2 | probably having to do another dd for nothing... | 19:33 |
| Tofe | probably | 19:33 |
| pawky|2 | unless you have more ideas :-) | 19:33 |
| pawky|2 | or anyone else in here... | 19:33 |
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| Tofe | nope, sorry | 19:35 |
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| pawky|2 | cant one debug through the usb port? | 19:35 |
| pawky|2 | Tofe: Thanks for all help so far :-) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpv-Qb-dB6g - Plover: Thought to Text at 240 WPM | 19:41 |
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| pawky|2 | The interesing thing is that even taking a snapshot of factory and making it root it still will boot loop | 19:53 |
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| pawky|2 | Stskeeps: do you have any ideas where I can go further in my search to get my phone to boot again? | 19:57 |
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| pawky|2 | gosh, this is a very silent night att jollamobile... :-( | 20:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | i never really seem to need more typing speed when programming though | 20:13 |
| r0kk3rz | everything else takes longer | 20:13 |
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| pawky|2 | i agree | 20:19 |
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| pawky|2 | a bit sad nobody is here tonight who could help me debug what happens once one changes androids /data/media to the sdcard and why you end up into a boot loop... I believe I will have to just wipe the partition again without ever getting the answer :-( | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | kimmoli: http://erkutlu.blogspot.com/2012/12/eeg-and-arduino-do-it-yourself-eeg-ekg.html - if you ever were looking for crazy new TOH ideas.. | 20:33 |
| kimmoli | :) | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | emg looks like a fun addition for sure | 20:34 |
| kimmoli | i did like this too http://nl.mouser.com/new/ams/ams-AS3935/ | 20:35 |
| kimmoli | öm, BASIC code there? | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | people do all sorts of crazy stuff in medical.: | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | as3935.. so like http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en ? | 20:37 |
| kimmoli | no so sophisticated. just notification "Thunder closing, <10km" | 20:38 |
| kimmoli | "Lightning detected !!" | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:38 |
| kimmoli | and that needs its own notification sound-effect | 20:40 |
| Venemo | how about a nuclear power TOH? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | https://backyardbrains.com/products/emgSpikerboxBundle - hmm | 20:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | fusionTOH | 20:55 |
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| pawky|2 | is there a point making the backiup when upgrading to 9, as to my knowledge downgrading wont work anyway? | 20:57 |
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| _cvp_ | Hi :D | 20:58 |
| pawky|2 | hwdy | 20:58 |
| rangoy | r0kk3rz: how about a tardis TOH? | 20:58 |
| r0kk3rz | that would be cool | 20:58 |
| r0kk3rz | but doesnt need to be a TOH | 20:59 |
| pawky|2 | anyone having a comment to MY question? | 20:59 |
| r0kk3rz | a tardis anything would be cool | 20:59 |
| pawky|2 | tardis >/dev/null done | 20:59 |
| pawky|2 | but seriously, is there a point? | 20:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | theres always a point to making a backup | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | even without a defined recovery process | 21:00 |
| pawky|2 | is the upgrade doing anything more beyond modifying mmcblk0p28? so, if dd'ing back my current image i will actually be able to downgrade? | 21:00 |
| rangoy | pawky|2: you can always recover some files etc from the backup | 21:01 |
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| rangoy | and i'll guess there is always an way back also, even if it's bumpy | 21:01 |
| pawky|2 | rangoy: then why are they telling us there is no going back after upgrading? | 21:01 |
| pawky|2 | I mean, I have an image of mmcblk0p28... I assume that will reinstate the old version if I would get bored at the new one | 21:02 |
| Venemo | I personally always keep backups of my important stuff | 21:04 |
| Venemo | but never make backup of stuff on my phone anymore | 21:04 |
| Venemo | all of those things are synced in from somewhere, so even if the phone dies, the data remains "in the cloud" | 21:04 |
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| pawky|2 | duh... i would NEVER have my stuff in som obscure cloud... | 21:06 |
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| pawky|2 | its irritating enough, Jolla saves my iMEI and E-mail... | 21:07 |
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| Aciid | kimmoli: have you found any webshop that sells molex slimstack connectors? | 21:09 |
| Aciid | kimmoli: trying to make a breakout board for nokia n97 qwerty keyboard here | 21:09 |
| kimmoli | mouser? | 21:10 |
| kimmoli | rs | 21:10 |
| pawky|2 | Aciid: cant you just use bluetooth? | 21:10 |
| Aciid | pawky|2: https://i.imgur.com/ctKR4Cb.png obviously not | 21:10 |
| Aciid | I need to debug the keyboards logic first | 21:11 |
| pawky|2 | Aciid: remove cat, reboot | 21:11 |
| Aciid | :3 | 21:11 |
| Aciid | kimmoli: ah mouser seems to have some models | 21:11 |
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| Aciid | can't find ones that have 0.1mm pitch, I think I need to do this http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Breakout-for-Scavenged-Surface-Mount-IC/ | 21:17 |
| kimmoli | 0.1 ? nothing has 0.1mm | 21:18 |
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| Aciid | kimmoli: https://i.imgur.com/6rTPc5D.png | 21:20 |
| Aciid | if that is not 0.1mm | 21:21 |
| Aciid | I don't know what is | 21:21 |
| pawky|2 | not that I know the full story, but it looks to me like a standard connector | 21:22 |
| Aciid | pawky|2: the prob is I'm trying to find a online seller that sells these connectors. | 21:23 |
| pawky|2 | Aciid: aliexpress.com ? | 21:23 |
| pawky|2 | alibabab.com ? | 21:23 |
| pawky|2 | (alibaba.com ) | 21:23 |
| kimmoli | :) | 21:23 |
| pawky|2 | :-) | 21:23 |
| kimmoli | 0.35mm is tightest that molex even makes | 21:23 |
| Aciid | both only offer custom orders | 21:24 |
| Aciid | since it's so uncommon | 21:24 |
| kimmoli | yes, that might be the case | 21:24 |
| Aciid | hmm, maybe I could make a eagle of this and just order a pcb with the legs | 21:25 |
| Aciid | so I can solder the old connector to that | 21:25 |
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| kimmoli | measure distance of 11 pins (10 gaps), you get próbably more accurate results | 21:26 |
| Aciid | you'r right, my wurth caliper is not fit for this | 21:26 |
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| kimmoli | reading of those are actually kinda-good, but using it to measure something like that is not "a good fit" | 21:28 |
| kimmoli | non-touch measurement i mean | 21:28 |
| Aciid | yeah I understand what you ment, need a reference | 21:28 |
| Aciid | isompi mittayksikkö josta verrata | 21:28 |
| kimmoli | or, you can measure the plastic part (which you can contact) xref to datasheet | 21:29 |
| kimmoli | joo | 21:29 |
| Aciid | but still sucks that the connector is propertiary | 21:29 |
| Aciid | *custom | 21:29 |
| Aciid | theres like 0 change to fix things that have these | 21:29 |
| Aciid | *chance | 21:29 |
| Aciid | who row of connectors 0.4mm. 10 connectors, 10 pitches 40/20 = 2 / 2 = 1 | 21:30 |
| Aciid | 0.1mm right? | 21:31 |
| Aciid | no wait, 0.4cm | 21:31 |
| Aciid | 4mm | 21:31 |
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| pawky|2 | changing WCNSS_qcom_cfg.ini still doesnt change the setMCBCFilter from 1 t anything else. is this ini file just for show??? | 22:49 |
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