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| coderus | arisel: still need factory images? | 04:20 |
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| TMavica | coderus: ? | 04:49 |
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| sqozz | coderus: have you a link to your factory image for me, please? | 04:57 |
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| cryorat | sqozz, i have factory images | 05:20 |
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| coderus | TMavica: what you want? | 05:36 |
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| coderus | sqozz: yes i have two images, factory-only and full clear dd dump | 05:37 |
| coderus | sqozz: do you want to really use it for recovering, or just for collection? | 05:37 |
| TMavica | coderus: i cant get sms receive and voice in mitakuuluu register | 05:39 |
| TMavica | now i try use official, but now say 13 hours, lol | 05:40 |
| coderus | TMavica: i dont care | 05:40 |
| coderus | it says "sent" then i dont care | 05:40 |
| TMavica | how input android register data to mitakuuluu? | 05:40 |
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| coderus | TMavica: how writing english sentencies properly? :D | 05:41 |
| TMavica | u should understand, lol | 05:41 |
| coderus | TMavica: no i dont understand, lol | 05:42 |
| TMavica | i mean if I got a working android whatsapp in Jolla, how can I transfer the registration data to mitakuuluu without register in mitakuuluu | 05:42 |
| coderus | TMavica: sure | 05:43 |
| TMavica | do i need move any file or something else? | 05:43 |
| coderus | TMavica: no | 05:43 |
| coderus | TMavica: everything doing automatically | 05:43 |
| TMavica | just open mitakuuluu then it auto input? | 05:43 |
| coderus | TMavica: yes | 05:44 |
| TMavica | no register page show? | 05:44 |
| coderus | TMavica: please try before asking | 05:44 |
| TMavica | ok | 05:44 |
| coderus | if you have problems and questions then ask | 05:44 |
| TMavica | i requested 3 times register code, sent but no any receiving.. | 05:45 |
| coderus | i dont care | 05:45 |
| TMavica | in mitakuuluu | 05:45 |
| TMavica | lol | 05:45 |
| coderus | i dont care | 05:45 |
| coderus | its your problems if you not rreceiving code | 05:45 |
| coderus | not mine | 05:46 |
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| TMavica | shouldnt be | 05:46 |
| coderus | why you think so? | 05:47 |
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| TMavica | you mean my phone cant receive sms and calling? | 05:47 |
| coderus | i dont care | 05:47 |
| coderus | i dont want even guessing | 05:47 |
| coderus | mitakuuluu is just a client, if you have problem with whatsapp - send your questions to whatsapp support | 05:47 |
| coderus | i dont care if you receiving code or not if code request status is "sent" | 05:48 |
| TMavica | so i going to use android one to input register data to mitakuuluu | 05:48 |
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| arisel | coderus: just decompressing one that might work.. :) | 07:31 |
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| stephg | Nicd-: how do you mean? | 07:38 |
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| Nicd- | stephg: the constant netsplits | 07:42 |
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| sec | Yes, Freenode seems to be down with something | 07:45 |
| tbr | irc weather for today: hot and splitty | 07:46 |
| kimmoli | iekku: that was fast | 07:46 |
| locusf | these cant be of course seen if joins/parts are ignored :) | 07:46 |
| meklu | seeing joins/parts is often useful though | 07:48 |
| meklu | if someone vanishes before you shoot off a message, you can then whine about it! | 07:49 |
| Nicd- | locusf: if I only used weechat I would hide them but I also use glowing bear so it's not a solution | 07:49 |
| tbr | or if you have to support irc-inept users on low traffic channels | 07:49 |
| locusf | Nicd-: lol wtf glowing bear | 07:51 |
| meklu | a web interface for weechat | 07:51 |
| meklu | iirc | 07:51 |
| locusf | nice name though | 07:52 |
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| locusf | although it reveals absolutely nothing about the software | 07:52 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, it's a stupid name | 07:54 |
| sec | Glowing bear is awesome. Using it right now. | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | they just picked the one github's name generator suggested :P | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | anyway, someone should code filter toggling support into GB, then I could toggle my join/parts | 07:54 |
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| sec | Just use smart filters? | 07:56 |
| iekku | kimmoli, whowhat? | 07:57 |
| Nicd- | sec: as I said, the thing is I cannot toggle them from GB | 07:58 |
| Nicd- | I liked toggling the smart filter for a buffer using alt-dash | 07:58 |
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| Pawky | so.. is there anyone in here whos an expert on iwpriv? :-) | 08:05 |
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| Pawky | anyone an expert on iwpriv wlan0 setMCBCFilter 1 ? :-) | 08:08 |
| tbr | your problem being? | 08:10 |
| Pawky | it seems to me you cannot change it | 08:10 |
| tbr | your problem being? | 08:10 |
| Pawky | well... my problem is, i can se the wlan0 receiving the ssdp signals... but the android app never gets it... | 08:11 |
| Pawky | so, I want to be able to turn it on in some circumstanses, otherwise it shuld be of... | 08:11 |
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| Pawky | the ssdp stuff that is | 08:11 |
| Pawky | tbr: you see my problem? :-) | 08:12 |
| tbr | so your problem is that the driver filters something that you actually want? and you want to turn it on/off dynamically? | 08:12 |
| Pawky | yes :-) | 08:13 |
| Pawky | the Sony Camera with Wifi identifies its devices using ssdp on its wlan... but this never gets to the app... | 08:13 |
| tbr | then you should know that the QC driver is not really well behaved. IIRC it uses some configuration files or such, somewhere. | 08:13 |
| Pawky | because of some strange and undokumented reacon, it gets filterd | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | devel-su | 08:13 |
| Pawky | tbr: I am all ears... | 08:14 |
| tbr | I wouldn't be surprised if you can't toggle driver settings in the standard way | 08:14 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: did that | 08:14 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: at the moment it is set to 1... but i cannot change it.. | 08:14 |
| Pawky | I am therefore assuming, its current 1 means its filtering it out.. | 08:14 |
| tbr | Pawky: I didn't look at it closer on this device. Might want to poke around the filesystem, also the persistent ones where modem firmware lives and such | 08:15 |
| Pawky | tbr: need some guidance... or hints.. | 08:15 |
| Pawky | i mean if you have settings that could be changed, what is blocking it from being so? | 08:16 |
| Pawky | RO area? | 08:16 |
| Pawky | do i need to do some mount -o remount,rw somewhere, like with android? | 08:17 |
| tbr | no | 08:18 |
| tbr | first you need to find files | 08:18 |
| tbr | no need to break your device while searching, duh | 08:18 |
| Pawky | tbr: fair enough.. :-) | 08:18 |
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| tbr | also I don't have #exactsteps as I don't know the answer either | 08:18 |
| Pawky | tbr: fair enough | 08:18 |
| tbr | other options would be to 'strings' the kernel module | 08:19 |
| Pawky | tbr: so.. you are suspecting its a read only file somewhere? | 08:19 |
| tbr | (as there is no source for it) | 08:19 |
| Pawky | the latter sounds like another great tip :-) | 08:19 |
| tbr | no I'm not. I'm saying there _might_ be a config file. somewhere on the device. | 08:19 |
| Pawky | but, one should be able to just poke in proc once found where it is right? | 08:19 |
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| Pawky | (I just know there are people in this forum who knows the answer but are under a NDA... :-/ ) | 08:20 |
| tbr | this is NOT a forum | 08:21 |
| tbr | is is SPARTAAA^wIRC | 08:21 |
| jonwil | is the kernel module for wifi open source? | 08:22 |
| ggabriel | tbr: lol, happiness added to my morning | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: no, but i think somebody got the oss one working | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | it was one of those camels we had to swallow | 08:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, did you read the pastie ? | 08:23 |
| tbr | jo08:19:11< tbr> (as there is no source for it) | 08:24 |
| tbr | jonwil: ^^ | 08:24 |
| tbr | ggabriel: happy to entertain | 08:24 |
| tbr | IIRC there are efforts for an OSS wifi driver, but I'm not sure about it's quality. | 08:25 |
| jonwil | sounds like this is one of those wifi chips that have a closed source blob from the vendor and then an open source driver that someone has reverse engineered by studying the hardware and the closed source blob but where the open driver is not yet good enough to replace the closed blob | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | jonwil: long story short the 4.1.2 adaptation from qc had a closed blob; but then they published the source for 4.2.* | 08:26 |
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| tbr | and there is an unknown diff? :) | 08:26 |
| jonwil | version 4.1.2 of what? the wifi driver? | 08:26 |
| tbr | android | 08:26 |
| jonwil | oh ok | 08:26 |
| tbr | in this world everything relates to the android release | 08:27 |
| jonwil | oh ok | 08:27 |
| jonwil | qc = qualcomm? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | also | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | we can't easily switch wifi driver because of fun stuff like CE certification | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | but | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | there's a open driver if people want to use it | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | it was one of those compromises we had to do to ship | 08:29 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: has anyone set up an OBS repo for packaging that module yet? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: not sure | 08:30 |
| tbr | would be a nice thing to do, e.g. in chum | 08:31 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: so.. your suggestion is to change to the open source driver? :-) | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | no | 08:31 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: so.. what am I to do? | 08:31 |
| Pawky | enabling it will make Jolla be compatible with lots of peripherals.. :-) | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | panic? | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:31 |
| tbr | Pawky: keep searching, this discussion is unrelated to your problem | 08:31 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: done that, been there ;_) | 08:32 |
| r0kk3rz | fall into an existential crisis because nobody is telling you what to do? | 08:32 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: very funny... | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, there's posts on this on tjc | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | search for multicast | 08:32 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: more... "wheret to go from here".. | 08:32 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: thanks, will do | 08:33 |
| ggabriel | Pawky: use an old android/iphone to connect to your camera | 08:33 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: oh... but thats where I got the tip from... but I cannot toggle the flag.. | 08:33 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: kind of defeats my purpose.. | 08:33 |
| ggabriel | sadly, not everything is perfect | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | we had this conversation before | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | i blame sony at al for using wifi instead of bluetooth | 08:34 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: well, its quite irritating as the driver fetches the ssdp stuff.. | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | i know what you mean | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | but, like Stskeeps put it, there have been compromises | 08:34 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: well, i believe bluetooth is a bit to slow for live 1920x1080 live streaming.. | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | qc et al don't play well with drivers | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | Pawky: it's not a matter of belief, it's fast enough, check the specs | 08:35 |
| r0kk3rz | you can always pioneer the OSS driver for us | 08:35 |
| * ggabriel doesn't believe any wireless technology is good enough though, fast enough yes, but not good enough for HD | 08:35 | |
| jonwil | ok, so if there is a 4.2.x driver, why doesn't someone simply backport that to Android 4.1.2 and put it in a repo somewhere. Or is that what people are talking about when they say "oss driver"? | 08:36 |
| ggabriel | r0kk3rz: yeah, but you can't easily change it officially due to certification, correct? | 08:36 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: This doesn't work, but I would very much like it to: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004160.html | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | together.jolla.com. | 08:36 |
| r0kk3rz | not officially no | 08:36 |
| r0kk3rz | but its your device, im sure the certification bodies wont find out unless you tell them | 08:37 |
| ggabriel | r0kk3rz: :) | 08:37 |
| r0kk3rz | bit different for Jolla who needs to pass certs to sell devices | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: getting caught != good | 08:37 |
| tbr | jonwil: yes, it should be simple enough to build the module against the jolla frankenkernel | 08:37 |
| ggabriel | lots of things can break tho | 08:37 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: Getting caught, by whom? | 08:38 |
| r0kk3rz | i used the word pioneer for a reason, is probably not going to be easy | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | Pawky: well, you don't want to be caught selling a non-certified product in europe | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | massive fines.. | 08:38 |
| ggabriel | r0kk3rz: yeah, i'd need a second jolla to play with that stuff | 08:38 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: true.. but all I want is my phone, to be able to use my camera.. | 08:38 |
| Pawky | at the moment it just sits on my desk doing nothing... which is kind of sad.. | 08:39 |
| * tbr looks at his second jolla and smiles | 08:40 | |
| r0kk3rz | write the app already | 08:40 |
| tbr | Pawky: and you've been given plenty of hints, yet you chose to still whine here about not being spoon fed a solution to your particular corner case | 08:41 |
| Pawky | tbr: fairh enough... | 08:41 |
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| ggabriel | like r0kk3rz suggests, an alternative is writing a native application | 08:42 |
| ggabriel | interacting with those devices is easy. well, a bit of reverse engineering to figure out the api, but that's it ;) | 08:42 |
| Pawky | but just a confirmation it IS doable would do it for me.. then I know my search wont be in vain ;-) | 08:42 |
| r0kk3rz | we had been discussing that before, and it shouldnt be too hard as the API is known | 08:42 |
| r0kk3rz | the main trick is the mjpeg stream for the viewfinder, which qt might be able to handle, but might not | 08:43 |
| ggabriel | how posh, a stream ;) | 08:44 |
| ggabriel | my gopro saves a snapshot with a couple of seconds of video | 08:44 |
| ggabriel | and you constantly play that | 08:44 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its not the most complicated of video formats to deal with | 08:45 |
| r0kk3rz | im just a little surprised that something like qtmultimedia or the qcamera objects cant deal with it | 08:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but not impossible to roll your own | 08:46 |
| arisel | Pawky: you did have wifi Problems after your restore? | 08:46 |
| Pawky | yes | 08:47 |
| Pawky | because there were no modules | 08:47 |
| Pawky | lsmod | 08:47 |
| Pawky | showed blank | 08:47 |
| Pawky | remember kernel-header? | 08:47 |
| arisel | Pawky: i mounted the fs and did a depmod, after that everything worked fine. | 08:47 |
| Pawky | :-) | 08:47 |
| arisel | Pawky: no need to install anything :) | 08:47 |
| arisel | Pawky: so I'm back at 95% working again.., btw :) | 08:48 |
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| Pawky | coderus another successfull image replacement ^^ | 08:49 |
| Pawky | :-) | 08:49 |
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| arisel | even without any data loss.. there's just one thing not working perfect, atm: tidings has problems with it's cache | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | umm that's a deal breaker for me then | 08:58 |
| arisel | ggabriel: ?? | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | well, i use tidings a lot :) | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | i'll keep my current version | 08:59 |
| arisel | same here.. I'll just fix it.. i rescued the data out of my home, but metadata was lost, so i guess that this is just some sqlite-timestamp-stuff.. | 08:59 |
| juiceme | heh, first time I had problems installing a SFOS update. Yesterday I went for Uitukka and botched it badly :) | 09:00 |
| arisel | ggabriel: wasn't any version-problem.. my phone ran empty and did crash it's filesystem in a non-recoverable way. | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | oh, right | 09:01 |
| juiceme | I guess it was my fault really, I started downloading the update and only after that realised I was on 3G... then turned WLAN on and the downloading speedied up, however that might have cused something | 09:02 |
| juiceme | What happened, was that when I had downloaded the update, and started installing it, the process hung somewhere in the middle. after about 15 minutes the devce did a spontaneous restart | 09:03 |
| juiceme | after that... well it did not come up any longer, just flashed the "Jolla" screen when booted and shut itself down. | 09:03 |
| juiceme | went to repair console and took backups of my /home/nemo and then factory restarted it | 09:04 |
| juiceme | went pretty smooth after that, and now I am at Uitukka. | 09:04 |
| juiceme | still in process of restoring my applications and data :) | 09:05 |
| juiceme | Has anybody else encountered a botched OS update, ever? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but i'm on devel branch | 09:06 |
| xfade_ | juiceme: I guess to didn't download all packages when you switched connections.. | 09:07 |
| xfade_ | juiceme: But usually downloading should stop then and offer you to download again. | 09:07 |
| Nicd- | I wonder how many devices Jolla has totally bricked while developing for the phone... :P | 09:08 |
| w00t | Nicd-: if i'm anything to account for, not many | 09:09 |
| xfade_ | Nicd-: really bricking devices is rather hard for us. | 09:09 |
| w00t | (0) | 09:09 |
| juiceme | xfade_, yes,that's very possible. I did try to re-search for update after the one went thru, but it only offered to start upgrade | 09:09 |
| xfade_ | juiceme: Hmm that is weird. What version did you come from? | 09:09 |
| w00t | I only once got a device into an unusable state that I had to reflash fully, and that was because I screwed up the UI and didn't have rescue mode enabled :) | 09:09 |
| juiceme | the previous one, what was it called again? | 09:10 |
| xfade_ | 1.0.8.21? | 09:10 |
| juiceme | xfade_, yes, that one. :) | 09:10 |
| xfade_ | Ok, there were some fixes for this behavior done around late summer. But you will only see them from update9 onwards, I guess. | 09:11 |
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| arisel | w00t: do you by accident know if there will be any "official" btrfs rescue option for if the fs dies completly? | 09:13 |
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| arisel | ggabriel: deleting ~/.local/share/harbour-tidings/ removes your feeds, but after adding them again, tidings works fine, again. | 09:18 |
| arisel | ggabriel: and that is just needed if the sqlite-database which tidings needs is messed up. | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | arisel: thanks | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | i suppose you can back up the config to avoid adding the feeds manually | 09:19 |
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| arisel | ggabriel: *nods* i however just added them manually, since i didn't want to dig into it. | 09:20 |
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| TMavica | juiceme: hi, lol | 09:29 |
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| juiceme | TMavica, hiya :) | 10:03 |
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| juiceme | xfade_, it seems to me theres something a bit different in the release9, some UI features missing or not the same way they used to be. | 10:07 |
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| juiceme | for example, I cannot find where to switch on the LPS-like screen | 10:08 |
| Nicd- | you need to do it on the command line | 10:08 |
| juiceme | was it so? I have forgotten how I started it last ton4e :) | 10:08 |
| Nicd- | google jolla glance screen | 10:08 |
| juiceme | last time I mean | 10:09 |
| juiceme | thx :) | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats on tjc somewhere | 10:09 |
| Yaniel | mce-tool something | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | seemed like it would drain the battery lots though, because its not an amoled screen | 10:10 |
| juiceme | also, it seems I cannot make folders to the applications page? | 10:10 |
| spiiroin | juiceme: mcetool --set-low-power-mode=enabled | 10:10 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: it doesn't really because it's on for so little time | 10:10 |
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| juiceme | spiiroin, thx, just found iy by google | 10:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | oh is it not on all the time? | 10:13 |
| spiiroin | juiceme: also only "from-pocket" triggering is now enabled by default. to enable also "hover" aka "briefly cover proximity sensor", do: mcetool --set-lpmui-triggering=from-pocket,hover-over | 10:14 |
| krnlyng2 | hi, i have an issue with wifi since today, i don't know what happend/or if i did anything which caused it. when i open settings and press on the wifi symbol (which is active) settings crashes. also the symbol on the homescreen for wifi is the one symbol which appears before a connection can be found. i cannot connect to any network. if i open settings->system->wlan it says: "Networking is not available. Please restart device." | 10:15 |
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| krnlyng2 | no difference. i've tried running systemctl restart connman-service with no luck, and i've tried to delete /var/lib/connman with no luck either | 10:15 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: zypper in -f kernel-adaptation-sbj | 10:15 |
| krnlyng2 | connman.service* | 10:15 |
| juiceme | spiiroin, thx | 10:15 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: it's only on for a few seconds at a time, it uses the proximity sensor to know when | 10:17 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: so for example when you take it from your pocket it will be active for a few seconds | 10:17 |
| krnlyng2 | coderus: oh, why that? i cannot connect to any wifi so cannot download the package :( | 10:18 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: 3G | 10:18 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: well, try to depmod then | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | krnlyng2: have you tried update 9? | 10:19 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: check lsmod if wifi module available | 10:19 |
| krnlyng2 | Nicd-: i am on update 9 | 10:19 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: seems you *8cked modules versioning or so | 10:19 |
| Nicd- | krnlyng2: have you tried restarting networking from sailfish utilities? | 10:19 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: /sbin/lsmod should show: | 10:20 |
| coderus | Module Size Used by | 10:20 |
| coderus | wlan 2592646 0 | 10:20 |
| coderus | cfg80211 144917 1 wlan | 10:20 |
| juiceme | ahh, I forfot about the way to create folders, silly me :) | 10:20 |
| juiceme | forgot even | 10:20 |
| coderus | juiceme: o_O | 10:20 |
| krnlyng2 | coderus: cannot connect to 3G either | 10:20 |
| krnlyng2 | coderus: yeah lsmod says exactly what you posted | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | krnlyng2: have you tried restarting networking from sailfish utilities? | 10:21 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: then its connman problem :( | 10:21 |
| krnlyng2 | Nicd-: yep no luck either | 10:21 |
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| arisel | coderus: btw. I'm fine again. Ty for asking. | 10:23 |
| coderus | arisel: :D | 10:23 |
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| arisel | coderus: :) if someone alse asks: I would suggest mounting the image after writing it to the internal memory and doing a depmod -a. Then tehre won't be wifi problems after reboot. :) | 10:26 |
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| juiceme | coderus, it is not self-evident. Very clever, though :) | 10:26 |
| coderus | arisel: what about depmod after booting and then reboot again? :D | 10:28 |
| Pawky | coderus: thats a double boot... a bit like double dipping ... | 10:29 |
| Pawky | B-) | 10:29 |
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| krnlyng2 | coderus: seems like my universitys wifi crashes something, if i disable the eduroam profile and restart connman it seems to work (haven't tested connecting to a network yet, as there is no other network which i have a password for) | 10:33 |
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| lpotter | known issue with u9 & eduroam | 10:35 |
| coderus | krnlyng2: but why 3G not working? | 10:35 |
| tbr | krnlyng2: there was some activity on the wpa2 enterprise item on TJC recently | 10:36 |
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| tbr | apparently there's a patched connman if you want to install it from someone's OBS repo | 10:36 |
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| krnlyng2 | coderus: 3g works now :) (after removing the wifi profiles and restarting connman) | 10:37 |
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| Pawky | krnlyng2: Have you succeeded to connect to eduroam?... | 10:39 |
| krnlyng2 | Pawky: it worked fine prior to update 9 | 10:40 |
| arisel | krnlyng2: you configured it manually, i guess? | 10:40 |
| krnlyng2 | arisel: yep | 10:41 |
| arisel | krnlyng2: do you have a guide for that? I did not really need to do so, since normally 3g is fine enough, but eduroam would be nice to have, again :) | 10:42 |
| Pawky | krnlyng2: I thought one couldnt use WPA-Enterprise | 10:42 |
| Pawky | how did you succeed? | 10:42 |
| krnlyng2 | arisel, Pawky: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa-8021x-enterprise-others-gui-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 10:42 |
| Pawky | thanks | 10:43 |
| arisel | krnlyng2: ty :) | 10:43 |
| tbr | btw: that connman referenced there is a vanilla build, so should be safe | 10:43 |
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| arisel | krnlyng2: ok, that is very straight-forward :) | 10:44 |
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| rha | Hi, it seems I (half)bricked my Jolla while upgrading from 1.0.8.19 to 1.1.0.38. I am still not quite sure what I did wrong, but the device doesn't boot up anymore. | 11:09 |
| juiceme | rha, just happened to me yesterday :) | 11:11 |
| rha | So I booted into the recovery menu and selected the "Reset phone to factory settings" item. But that failed with this: [ERROR] Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing. | 11:11 |
| rha | I have no idea what that means. Can anybody here help me to unbrick it? | 11:11 |
| juiceme | oho? factory settings worked for meOK | 11:11 |
| juiceme | did you try to go to console to make backups before trying to reset it? | 11:12 |
| rha | juiceme: Hm. I'd really like to avoid sending in the phone again. I just received it back from a repair (broken speaker). | 11:12 |
| juiceme | as that was the 1st thing I did... booted to console, mounted filesystems and backed up to external computer | 11:13 |
| coderus | rha: do you have something really important to backup? | 11:13 |
| rha | juiceme: No, I didn't. But it seems the recovery didn't to anything yet. | 11:14 |
| juiceme | I suppose Jonni should know why you cannot do reset | 11:14 |
| rha | coderus: Actually no. All the really important things are backed up. | 11:14 |
| meklu | I suppose the recovery image doesn't support that | 11:14 |
| juiceme | meklu, are there several variants of the recovery image, then? | 11:15 |
| meklu | probably | 11:15 |
| meklu | haven't there been cases where people had to do all the software upgrades after a reset? | 11:15 |
| coderus | arisel: you said you mounted image after extracting? what about mounting partition? | 11:16 |
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| juiceme | fell, when I reseted it, it booted up as 1.0.0.5 | 11:16 |
| meklu | I think I've read here that e.g. Optima could flash a new recovery image during repair | 11:16 |
| coderus | yep, i have 1.0.3.8 recovery btw. | 11:16 |
| juiceme | I needed to do one ypgrade to next level (whatever was it) and then I was able to upgrade to Uitukka | 11:17 |
| arisel | coderus: ?? | 11:17 |
| coderus | and new shipped phones have actual (at shipping date) version in recovery also | 11:17 |
| coderus | arisel: ?!? | 11:17 |
| arisel | coderus: i mounted the image i copied over the defect one, to run depmod and to move my home inside. | 11:17 |
| coderus | arisel: you mounted image to loop? | 11:18 |
| arisel | coderus: i extraced the defect one before and retrieved what i could salvage from it with various btrfs-tools. | 11:18 |
| coderus | why not to mount partition instead of image? | 11:18 |
| arisel | coderus: yepp, once that, and once again on the phone after cat'ing it to the block device | 11:19 |
| rha | It seems my recovery was also updated during repair. Because when I did a factory reset after upgrading to 1.1.0.35 the first time I got back to 1.0.8.19. | 11:19 |
| arisel | coderus: i couldn't mount the partition on my phone anymore. my btrfs there was totally broken. | 11:19 |
| coderus | arisel: i mean mounting it after writing new image to it | 11:20 |
| coderus | for doing depmod, i mean | 11:20 |
| arisel | coderus: i did that. | 11:20 |
| arisel | coderus: loopback-mount before that was just to see if everything i need is inside | 11:20 |
| rha | If I mount my current root partition I can see that I got some of the 1.1.0.38 package already installed (e.g. some qt-5.2 stuff) but only very few. Which is weird since I only downloaded the update but it not yet start it. | 11:21 |
| coderus | arisel: so well, users can depmod when mounted partitoin, not image, right? | 11:21 |
| arisel | coderus: yepp. | 11:21 |
| coderus | arisel: good :) | 11:22 |
| arisel | coderus: and if you write a guide, please do not forget, that they should mount the partition to /mnt, then mount the home volume to /mnt/home and then do a chroot /mnt and then do a depmod -a inside :) | 11:22 |
| arisel | (and copy everythin back into their home afterwards :) | 11:23 |
| coderus | arisel: to home? why home? | 11:23 |
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| arisel | i wanted all my calendar entries, phonebook, settings,.... etc back. | 11:23 |
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| arisel | coderus: i extracted my original home data with btrfs restore /dev/mmcblk0p28.btrfsbin /path/to/my/sd | 11:25 |
| arisel | coderus: then you end with having directories for every subvolume of the partition | 11:25 |
| coderus | arisel: sure, in case they want to save data :) | 11:26 |
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| arisel | coderus: true. | 11:26 |
| arisel | coderus: but i now ended up with just a very single hickup of having to delete one sqlite-db, and everything else survived the broken filesystem | 11:26 |
| arisel | coderus: so I think that this method is quite succesful :) | 11:26 |
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| gexc-phone | many patches in patchmanager do not work after the update | 11:28 |
| coderus | gexc-phone: is there any single patch which still working on uitukka? :) | 11:28 |
| gexc-phone | could reinstalling solve that? | 11:28 |
| coderus | gexc-phone: of course no | 11:28 |
| coderus | gexc-phone: patches are not universal | 11:29 |
| juiceme | gexc-phone, when the qml's in the device change due to update, of course the patches don't aply any longer :) :) | 11:29 |
| juiceme | what you can do, of course is to patch manually. | 11:29 |
| coderus | arisel: well, i think its you should write instruction for your method, and we will see then how its applicable for end users | 11:30 |
| arisel | coderus: no problem. but it still includes getting an image from somewhere.. | 11:30 |
| coderus | juiceme: i think he cant :) | 11:30 |
| juiceme | edit the qml's with vi while looking at the patch file. That's what I always do, to see myself what has changed :) | 11:30 |
| coderus | arisel: sure :) | 11:30 |
| arisel | coderus: if you did not create one by yourself before crashing :) | 11:30 |
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| gexc-phone | 😰 | 11:30 |
| coderus | juiceme: vi :D | 11:31 |
| meklu | depends on the changes ;) | 11:31 |
| juiceme | coderus, sure, as I don't have emacs on my device :) | 11:31 |
| meklu | if they're not affecting the same parts that the patch is, then it can apply with some fuzz | 11:31 |
| coderus | arisel: did you tried sailfish-snapshot tool by any chance? | 11:31 |
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| meklu | I would be concerned if I were to have emacs on my device | 11:31 |
| meklu | I don't need a *third* OS on it ;) | 11:32 |
| arisel | coderus: i could not even boot the device anymore.. | 11:32 |
| juiceme | meklu, huh? | 11:32 |
| arisel | coderus: and had not tried it before :( | 11:32 |
| meklu | Sailfish + AlienDalvik ( + emacs) | 11:32 |
| juiceme | meklu, sure emacs _can_ be used as an OS but you don't _need_ to do that... | 11:32 |
| joonahoi | meklu: emacs might have sailfish plugin | 11:32 |
| meklu | good old meta shift c x sailfish | 11:33 |
| meklu | oops, forgot a few ctrls and alts there | 11:33 |
| joonahoi | yup, can't see super either | 11:33 |
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| juiceme | too late, lost your edits already :) :) | 11:34 |
| arisel | coderus: but it would not have worked to restore it without new image, as the snapshots have not been accessible anymore, due to the root not being able to mount and btrfs does not allow to access snapshots when not mounted :( | 11:34 |
| gexc-phone | so is it necessary to remove patchmanager before manually applying patches? | 11:34 |
| coderus | gexc-phone: sure, or it will blow your mind :) | 11:34 |
| juiceme | gexc-phone, no, it is an alternate way of doing it | 11:35 |
| Morpog_PC | just wait for updated patchmanager and updated patches | 11:35 |
| gexc-phone | LOL | 11:35 |
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| juiceme | gexc-phone, now you have got *3* pieces of expert advice, all differing :) | 11:35 |
| juiceme | that's what you easily get, :p | 11:36 |
| gexc-phone | great 😄 | 11:36 |
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| arisel | coderus: there would be an extreme way of salvaging using btrfs-image, but that also does only work if you have an image available before crashing. | 11:36 |
| juiceme | but seriously, the advice of Morpog_PC is the one you should heed. | 11:36 |
| gexc-phone | maybe | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | i just dont use patch manager | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | then you dont have any problems | 11:37 |
| juiceme | I myself of course always patch by hand, but that is as I want to know how the patches woirk | 11:37 |
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| gexc-phone | so it is the manager that's broken after the update? | 11:39 |
| rha | It seems the factory snapshots on my root are still ok. So might it help to just copy them to / and home? | 11:39 |
| juiceme | gexc-phone, might be, but most certainly the patches are | 11:39 |
| juiceme | might even be the manager is OK for all I know | 11:39 |
| Morpog_PC | still I would wait for a manager that is built against uituuka | 11:40 |
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| juiceme | but the thing with the patches is, they are just language, a way to modify the qml files | 11:40 |
| gexc-phone | thanks, I'll do some digging after getting to my PC | 11:41 |
| juiceme | so if you know qml, then looking at patches you know how you should modify the files | 11:41 |
| Morpog_PC | but you have to remember what you did :D | 11:41 |
| juiceme | and sometime make the patches work a bit nicer, or change them the way I want the device to behave. | 11:41 |
| gexc-phone | LOL | 11:41 |
| juiceme | Morpog_PC, I always take backups of the files I modify :) | 11:42 |
| rha | Jonni: juiceme mentioned you might be able to help me? | 11:42 |
| Morpog_PC | backups are always good :D | 11:42 |
| juiceme | yes, andcost next to nothing | 11:42 |
| gexc-phone | if the patch breaks the UI, can I ssh into the phone and get it recovered | 11:42 |
| juiceme | sure | 11:43 |
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| gexc-phone | cool | 11:43 |
| juiceme | you just have to know what you broke, to fix it :) | 11:43 |
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| Nicd- | whoa | 11:45 |
| Nicd- | gift voucher | 11:45 |
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| alifakhruddin_ | hey Sailors | 11:45 |
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| Nicd- | that is good for multiple phones AND they will send you an aloe OH free if someone uses it | 11:45 |
| Nicd- | gotta tell my mom to buy hers now :P | 11:46 |
| juiceme | ho, indeed. Now I'd need to know somebody about to buy one :) | 11:46 |
| arisel | Nicd-: do i have to check my mail? :) | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | arisel: yes | 11:46 |
| juiceme | arisel, mail just came in :) | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | it's only valid until november 2nd though, so not much time | 11:46 |
| alifakhruddin_ | i was lucky.enough to get my hands soon after purchasing from India | 11:46 |
| arisel | yay! | 11:46 |
| alifakhruddin_ | have u guys updated the Opt-in 1.1 | 11:47 |
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| Nicd- | yes | 11:48 |
| Morpog_PC | sure | 11:48 |
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| alifakhruddin_ | aah great | 11:48 |
| * Morpog_PC thinks about gifting a Jolla to himself for nemomobile stuff :D | 11:48 | |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC: gifting a jolla to self ? | 11:49 |
| Morpog_PC | well, why not? :D | 11:50 |
| SK_work | :D | 11:50 |
| Morpog_PC | if it doesn't work, I just register my dad :D | 11:50 |
| SK_work | :D | 11:50 |
| SK_work | I'm puzzled by the gitf to self | 11:51 |
| SK_work | part | 11:51 |
| SK_work | :D | 11:51 |
| Nicd- | aaand Morpog_PC's voucher was just invalidated ;) | 11:51 |
| Morpog_PC | benefit: fresh Jolla for outside, used Jolla for nemo experiments | 11:51 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 11:51 |
| Morpog_PC | SK_work, didn't read you email yet? | 11:52 |
| Morpog_PC | 100€ voucher | 11:52 |
| SK_work | email ? | 11:52 |
| SK_work | where ? | 11:52 |
| Morpog_PC | from Jolla | 11:52 |
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| SK_work | ha ? | 11:52 |
| SK_work | probably missed it | 11:52 |
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| Morpog_PC | 5 minutes ago | 11:52 |
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| * Morpog_PC imagines SK_work crawling in his spam folder | 11:54 | |
| pvanhoof | Apparently SailfishOS got translated in a mass mail to Dutch Jolla owners. Resulting in a rather silly Zeilvis translation. You don't have to translate nouns in Dutch guys. We're not French :) | 11:54 |
| Morpog_PC | so SK_work does patchmanager need an update or just the patches? | 11:54 |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC: will do this this we | 11:55 |
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| SK_work | I do need to review all the patches I maintain | 11:55 |
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| Morpog_PC | I don't mind, I don't use it, we just had a conversation about it a few minutes ago | 11:56 |
| SK_work | :) | 11:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | tempting to get a cheap(er) jolla, but mines not that old | 12:01 |
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| Sail0r | hmmm do i need a second jolla? ^^ | 12:03 |
| Morpog_PC | nemomobile :) | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | pretty much a must if you wanna play i'd say | 12:03 |
| r0kk3rz | or, can you buy 100e worth of covers for free, and then get a free aloe cover | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | and if you want them to work in cluster, you may need 3! | 12:04 |
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| rha | FYI, I was just able to fix my problem with the non-booting Jolla. As my installation as still pretty fresh it was easy to figure out the difference between the factory-@ and @ subvolumes. In the end it seems I just had a new too new qt libs installed (from the 1.1.0.38 update) but the rest was still at 1.0.8.21. | 12:19 |
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| rha | So I just copied the old libs from the factory snaphot into the current one and the phone booted again. | 12:20 |
| rha | *phew* | 12:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://together.jolla.com/question/60441/release-notes-hotfix-for-opt-in-update9-version-11039/ | 12:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | fix for uitukka | 12:24 |
| xfade_ | rha: were you installing something while you started the OS update? | 12:25 |
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| rha | xfade_: I didn't really start the update (I just had it downloaded). And then I switch on developer mode, which seemed to have installed some rpm. | 12:27 |
| pdanek | Is Sailfish using some stuff from Plasma Active? Or at least inspiring by it? | 12:27 |
| rha | xfade_: At the same time also some update packages got installed it seems. At least that's what rpm -qa --last showed. | 12:28 |
| xfade_ | rha: right, ok that issue we already worked on.. | 12:28 |
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| rha | xfade_: Ok. Good to know. | 12:28 |
| xfade_ | rha: should not happen for the next update as the fix should be in this one. (Doesn't help you now of course) | 12:28 |
| rha | xfade_: Yeah, but luckily I was able to recover and now I a pretty sure I won't do that again ;) | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | update time \o/ | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | (uitukka hotfix) | 12:33 |
| Scelt | badgers are jumping all over | 12:33 |
| Scelt | oh, the joy | 12:33 |
| tigeli | :D | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | mushroom mushroom | 12:34 |
| Scelt | I'm yelling "mushroooooooooooom" as I stare the update progress bar | 12:34 |
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| Pawky | Nicd-: up to date :-( | 12:34 |
| meklu | did you check updates? | 12:34 |
| Pawky | ohh.. is uitukka version 9 ? | 12:34 |
| meklu | yup | 12:35 |
| meklu | you'd have to opt in for that | 12:35 |
| Pawky | well that explains things ;-) | 12:35 |
| xfade_ | Pawky: 1.1.0.38 -> 1.1.0.39 | 12:35 |
| Pawky | i know.. i will wait until have taken a full dd of my current mmcblk0p28 ;-) | 12:35 |
| Pawky | lessons learned... | 12:35 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC: got the mail just now ... | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | this is a much lighter update | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | 6mb, i think it only patches conman as opposed to *everything* | 12:36 |
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| pdanek | Is Younited native app being developed? | 12:39 |
| meklu | no clue | 12:40 |
| meklu | it was supposed to have some (at least) pseudo-native integration at some point in the future | 12:40 |
| coderus | juiceme: 1.1.0.39? wtf? | 12:41 |
| Nicd- | hmmmm I got a second voucher | 12:43 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: uitukka hotfix | 12:44 |
| Nicd- | just released | 12:44 |
| coderus | Nicd-: ah :) | 12:45 |
| coderus | okay, can anyone use my voucher for byuing jolla for me and use that discounter for shipping purpose? | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | oh no, now we're going to have 10 social media threads saying that jolla released 2 updates in a week | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | brace yourselves | 12:46 |
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| the_mgt | is there an easy way to add a simple .ical file as a calendar? with user/password auth? | 13:08 |
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| SK_work | the_mgt: no sadly | 13:22 |
| SK_work | there is no "remote ical" | 13:22 |
| SK_work | only caldav | 13:22 |
| the_mgt | is google calendar really caldav? they offer .ics files, too, iirc | 13:23 |
| Raim | you could export to .ics, but it's not very useful for synchronization as you would always have to download the full file on each update | 13:25 |
| the_mgt | in google? iirc, there is an ics file you can include in outlook, for example. it should be autoupdating | 13:28 |
| Raim | does it actually include all events from all the years? | 13:30 |
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| the_mgt | Raim: I do not use google | 13:32 |
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| Raim | I am just wondering. this might be okay for Outlook on stable network connection. but it does not sound like a good idea to download a large file over mobile internet on each sync instead of a smarter protocol doing incremental updates. | 13:33 |
| the_mgt | yes, there are all kind of possibilites for a major fubar. lost update, etc | 13:34 |
| the_mgt | but for my limited calendars, it is all I need | 13:34 |
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| Sail0r | YAAY pebble working again | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay | 19:57 |
| Sail0r | thx to https://github.com/smokku/pebble/pull/24 | 19:58 |
| sippis | wooop \o/ | 19:59 |
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| Yaniel | opted in to uitukka | 20:15 |
| Yaniel | currently preparing for armageddon | 20:15 |
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| Sail0r | lol | 20:17 |
| r0kk3rz | the major issues have already been hotfixed | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | well, connman anyway | 20:20 |
| AL13N | kimmoli: isn't it possible to add obsolete rpm tags to paint? or is this something that Harbour should fix? | 20:23 |
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| kimmoli | i dont know | 20:23 |
| teve | does this really mean that up from pre uitukka to the "stable" one requires "firmware" reflash instead of connman rpm update? | 20:23 |
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| * pahartik fighting to defeat "connman" | 20:38 | |
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| Yaniel | the new supervillain | 20:49 |
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| pahartik | Yaniel: For example, I think it prevents me from deleting default IPv4 route... | 21:17 |
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| Yaniel | downloaded & installing | 21:32 |
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| Yaniel | wow this feels fast | 21:57 |
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| pahartik | Yaniel: What happened? | 21:57 |
| oku | are there still many broken apps at the moment? | 21:57 |
| oku | with uitukka | 21:58 |
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| tadzik | ya | 21:59 |
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| ahjolinna | http://www.ekoparty.org/charlas-2014.php?a=2014&c=cyan&m=587 | 22:33 |
| petantik | So. My jolla account email has the form a+b@gmail.com ... Do I need to match this exactly when opting in for update 9, and how can i do this from a gmail account if anyone knows? | 22:35 |
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| petantik | Never mind. You need to add it as another email in send mail as. http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/3598/is-there-any-way-to-send-an-email-from-a-gmail-plus-address | 22:38 |
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