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| send9 | Hello, does anyone know if this is part of the official Jolla kernel or from some custom kernel for the phone? https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930/blob/master/net/core/sock_diag.c | 01:48 |
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| send9 | I realize this is part of regular Linux kernel src, just trying to see if a patch was applied or not | 01:48 |
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| Scelt | cos-: I have to admit that I'm a little bored about all these hw issues | 08:54 |
| Scelt | I had an SGS2 for 3-4 years and the lens wasn't scratched at all. at least it didn't affect to image quality so much | 08:54 |
| cos- | yep, the hw quality is below satisfactory | 08:55 |
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| cos- | i've never had similar issues with nokia devices | 08:55 |
| Andy80 | hi guys :) | 08:55 |
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| Andy80 | maybe a little FAQ, but... do you have any news about next update? I mean... when it will be released | 08:55 |
| Scelt | Andy80: maybe this year, I guess | 08:56 |
| Scelt | already stopped waiting :P | 08:56 |
| cos- | during spring they managed to really release once per month | 08:57 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: your phone lasts <1.5days? | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: yeah | 09:13 |
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| ggabriel | but i record sports (1.5-2hr per day) | 09:14 |
| chem|st | I just charged tonight after another 4 days | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | and i hardly ever use wlan | 09:14 |
| chem|st | well... | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | i'd say i use it heavily | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | also, not sure that meerun is fully tuned for sailfish | 09:14 |
| chem|st | I know that I am below average usage... but either the software has gone bad or the battery as live time decreased ~every update | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | or you use it differently | 09:15 |
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| ggabriel | well, it used to last over 2 days easily while using data quite heavily and reading news and all that jazz | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | if anything, the updates improved the battery life in my experience | 09:16 |
| chem|st | or LTE uses more power than it should, but my LTE coverage is better than my 3G | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | oh, that's another thing | 09:16 |
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| ggabriel | i change from 3g to lte many a time a day | 09:16 |
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| ggabriel | i swap betewen 3g and lte, rather | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | trouble is | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | if my phone lasts <1.5days now | 09:17 |
| chem|st | with close to any phone in my city I had 2G alot better than 3G and in my appartment I had some weak spots where I could drain an idle phone dead within hours | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | if you substract the 25% capacity that batteries lose in a year | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | then i end up with just about a day-ish | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | yup, agree re weak/black spots | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | they like the battery juice :) | 09:18 |
| chem|st | lipos do not decrease 25% a year by default - it depends on several factors | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: in my experience, it's almost certain | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | the N9's battery and all my lappy's batteries... it was almost too precise | 09:19 |
| chem|st | I barely used 3G as it drained the battery on all phones I had so far, I'd rather have slow internet than a dead battery every day | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | oh, so that's your trick :) | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | my carrier has 3g and lte only | 09:20 |
| chem|st | my laptop battery is 4 years old and still has >60% | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | uhm... not disputing that | 09:21 |
| chem|st | and I did not loose 1hour in the first year | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | just saying that in the first year i generally los 25% | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | and then they remain at that level for a long time | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | heavy usage though | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | and not particularly careful (i.e., i'd almost drain them sometimes etc etc) | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | but that's what batteries are for :) | 09:22 |
| chem|st | hmm, maybe you need to calibrate your batteries, I was down to 4hours on my netbook, calibrated and was back to 6hours | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | not a batt expert tbh, not sure how to calibrate | 09:22 |
| chem|st | heavy usage, 5.5hours of series and movies on a traintrip | 09:22 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: your battery needs to drain dead once in a while or it does not know how far the lower limit is, I just recalibrated the N900 a few weeks ago and test idle battery consumption now (flightmode) ~3-4days and that is the original battery from '09 | 09:24 |
| Scelt | chem|st: how dead? just to get it shutdown itself or further? | 09:25 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: yes my usage pattern changed, I barely touch the phone on weekends... | 09:26 |
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| chem|st | Scelt: depends on the chipset, for N900 you need to disable all automation and do it really carfully by hand, on my netbook this is a bios feature, $user won't ever look into bios ever, right? | 09:27 |
| minimec | chem|st: ggabriel: The problem with "drain dead" is, that most modern OS have a 'autosuspend' function on low battery. So you need to disable that 'autosuspend'... The drain the battery until the device shuts down. Then load the device to full (device should be powered off). That's the way I would do it. | 09:27 |
| chem|st | minimec: right | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | ok, ta | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | clearly i won't be able to do that with the jolla :) | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | i have drained dead the battery of the laptops though | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | (not that i really wanted to) | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | and i don't do all that autosuspend stuff :P | 09:29 |
| chem|st | I drained it below 7% and it started to act up, like an underpowered chip | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | i think that's a feature | 09:30 |
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| ggabriel | also, you may break the fs by draining it on the jolla | 09:30 |
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| chem|st | but that is actually the lower limit, so the Jolla miscalibration was in the bad direction -> that could lead to failing batteries | 09:30 |
| chem|st | you don't break the fs, I had lots of occasions when my phone died and only once it failed to recover on its own | 09:32 |
| chem|st | but that is actually the problem, the device does not shutdown before the battery is dead | 09:32 |
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| chem|st | and that may cause corrupted fs headers | 09:35 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 09:49 |
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| juiceme | chem|st, do you know BTW if there's difference between LiPo and "classic" Li-Ion batteries regarding the need for recalibrate the battery. As I think N900 had not LiPo battery but an older version...? | 10:20 |
| Andy80 | cos-, yes they did. They skipped August for holidays, and that's fine. Then they skipped September... reason not clear, and now we are 2/3 of October and no eta :/ | 10:20 |
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| stephg | Andy80: the reasons are pretty clear for September, a slew of security fixes and not passing QA yet | 10:32 |
| chem|st | juiceme: all logic driven batteries need calibration, it is not the electrons that need calibration^^ | 10:32 |
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| Andy80 | stephg, I missed it, sorry | 10:33 |
| stephg | hehe np, just saying I guess it'll be ready when it's ready | 10:36 |
| stephg | (which, like you, I hope will be Soon(tm)) | 10:36 |
| chem|st | juiceme: most to all LiX batteries drift a little and each type or even brand has its own discharge curve highly dependant to temperature | 10:40 |
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| louisdk | Have other people experienced this bug: https://together.jolla.com/question/37307/bug-incorrect-time-stamp-in-smses-recieved-while-phone-was-off/ ? | 11:48 |
| Bysmyyr | yep | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | does SMS include a "sent date"? | 11:53 |
| Bysmyyr | aa, that is sms, I have seen same with unanswered cals | 11:56 |
| louisdk | Nicd-, if I power my phone on at 11:32 it'll just say received at 11:32. | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | but it's true | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | the message was received at 11:32 | 11:57 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its a received timestamp not a sent timestamp | 11:59 |
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| louisdk | Well. To my knowledge other phones like Android-based will show the sent timestamp or a more correct timestamp. Am I right? | 12:16 |
| louisdk | It pretty confusing when messaging with someone that you can't see when the send the text. | 12:16 |
| louisdk | *sent | 12:16 |
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| pdanek1 | Funny how Jolla is the best and worst phone I ever had at the same time. :D | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | haha | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | i installed android support the other day | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | and uber works better than on a phone that is presumably faster (ie faster cpu) | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | so pretty happy momentarily | 13:44 |
| Scelt | pdanek1: not worst. I used to be a mobile game tester back in 2005 | 13:44 |
| pdanek1 | Scelt: that must be terrible job :O | 13:44 |
| Scelt | all those crappy motorolas, ericssons etc. | 13:44 |
| Scelt | pdanek1: but I'd say that Jolla is a huge success and a huge disappointment at the same time | 13:45 |
| pdanek1 | Friend of mine was console games tester and he hated it. :D | 13:45 |
| pdanek1 | Scelt: yea, something like that | 13:45 |
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| ggabriel | are you having a relationship with your phone? :) | 13:45 |
| pdanek1 | But it's like... the phone is so advanced, the UI is second to none. | 13:46 |
| pdanek1 | And then... basic phone functions are worse than phones from 20 years ago. | 13:46 |
| pdanek1 | Ok, maybe not 20. | 13:46 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 13:46 |
| pdanek1 | Ok, 20! | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | define basic | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | +functions | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | coz call/text/reception beats my xperia by miles | 13:47 |
| pdanek1 | WAIT! | 13:47 |
| pdanek1 | since when they added call duration? | 13:47 |
| pdanek1 | amazing | 13:47 |
| pdanek1 | I just found out, right now. | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | lol | 13:48 |
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| pdanek1 | :D | 13:48 |
| pdanek1 | I love you guys, .... going back to work. | 13:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah connman is a bit shit, but tbr was saying the current git version is looking a lot better | 14:02 |
| tbr | I'm reasonably happy with it | 14:02 |
| tbr | it still sometimes looses connectivity, but much less than before | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | for me it matters where i am | 14:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | in germany the mobile data always needed kicking | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | in the uk its fine | 14:04 |
| Aard | r0kk3rz: my mobile data issues in germany usually are not tied to a specific hardware ;) | 14:04 |
| r0kk3rz | for me it was more feature than bug anyway, as I was using a roaming sim which is expensive on mobile data | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | so having to get it to connect when I wanted probably worked out cheaper | 14:06 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: what should scare you is that the phone did call for backup on roaming networks even with disabled roaming in settings | 14:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | i had roaming enabled | 14:08 |
| r0kk3rz | but that does sound like a bad thing to happen | 14:08 |
| chem|st | lucky me I have 10MB/m free roaming | 14:09 |
| chem|st | and I did that on purpose to check if "location" honours any of the settings, and it does not - it just connects gets its AGPS almanach, calls Nokia and Jolla and goes to sleep again | 14:11 |
| pdanek_is_away | chem|st: :O | 14:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it would be nice to be able to turn agps off | 14:16 |
| r0kk3rz | but it should respect the roaming settings | 14:16 |
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| Tegu | yea.. "Location" "Allow applications to pinpoint your location using mobile networks and GPS. Data costs may apply." The mobile networks part should be a separate setting. | 14:20 |
| Nicd- | so if I go abroad... I should uncheck location too? | 14:21 |
| Nicd- | I think that's stupid | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | just say "no" when it asks you to roam | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | i had location switched on when abroad and didn't connect but i didn't have it to connect automatically | 14:24 |
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| Tegu | I mean it should be changeable even if you're not roaming | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | i don't get it... | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | you can always deactivate location using mobile networks | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | so what's the big deal? | 14:30 |
| Nicd- | but then I'm disabling location services entirely | 14:31 |
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| Nicd- | also I think the roaming setting should override all other network settings. I don't want to have to change many settings to really disable roaming | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | ok, true | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | got slightly confused with the n9 | 14:31 |
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| ggabriel | Nicd-: in my experience, roaming settings overrides location | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | read: it doesn't "call home" | 14:32 |
| Nicd- | chem|st here said it doesn't | 14:32 |
| r0kk3rz | YMMV i guess | 14:33 |
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| ggabriel | my test was empirical one, and i did it only once | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | as i have free roaming in many EU countries | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | but didn't see any surprise costs or anything like that | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | i do see that there should be 2 options like the n9 | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | use data or ont | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | i.e., let me use "just gps" | 14:34 |
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| pdanek_is_away | Why people say things like: "Proud N900, N9 and Jolla owner!" | 14:40 |
| pdanek_is_away | Maybe it's me, but how can you be "proud" to own a phone? | 14:40 |
| pdanek_is_away | Anyone can buy a phone. | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | you can be proud of making a choice that you think is right | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | most people can't buy every phone | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | it's technically correct | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | Hm. | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | I still don't get it. | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | as opposed to being proud of being born in a certain country | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | which is technically incorrect | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | Anyone can say: proud Android owner | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | no, not anybody | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | only those who have an android phone | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | ah | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | :D | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | ok so maybe it's technically correct | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | though I still don't get it | 14:41 |
| pdanek_is_away | :D | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | you challenge how people feel pride, which is anohter matter | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | pdanek_is_away: they're not proud of belonging to an exclusive group, they are proud of the choice they have made | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | or what triggers pride, rather | 14:42 |
| pdanek_is_away | You can say: proud N900, N9 and Jolla developer. | 14:42 |
| pdanek_is_away | Because you put effort in it. | 14:42 |
| pdanek_is_away | But owner? | 14:42 |
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| pdanek | Everyone makes choices, I buy tshirt, am I proud owner of some tshirt? | 14:42 |
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| pdanek | I Coke, I choose not to buy Pepsi. I'm proud for that. | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | yes, if you are proud of having chosen that shirt | 14:43 |
| pdanek | hm | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | you can choose to be proud or not | 14:43 |
| pdanek | So I will never be I guess. | 14:43 |
| pdanek | :D | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | depends on your personality actually, not choice | 14:43 |
| Tegu | well, isn't it possible to be proud of anything? | 14:43 |
| pdanek | Maybe yes. | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | you can only be proud of things that you do | 14:43 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but people often use externalities as placebo accomplishments | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | people being a proud [insert nationality here] | 14:46 |
| entil | making a choice gives you the theoretical possibility for being proud, but maybe your personality never allows you pride, and then you miss out | 14:47 |
| entil | or you can be a gay and/or nazi and take pride in things you had nothing to do with, but that's false | 14:47 |
| entil | ;P | 14:47 |
| r0kk3rz | iphone vs android flame wars is another good example, where people take products an integrate them into 'who they are' | 14:47 |
| r0kk3rz | 'im an apple user and will always buy an apple, not like these android heathens' | 14:48 |
| entil | actually my troll-analogy was false, there's a choice involved in the latter one, but still... taking pride in stupid things doesn't make sense | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | entil: but taking pride in stupid choices is technically correct too | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | i think somebody should write a pride app | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | :P | 14:49 |
| entil | you can always rationalize, like taking pride in buying a jolla because you support a wider mobile-phone ecosystem or whatever, but imo the pride in the case of a phone should be placed in saving up the money to be able to buy a phone at all | 14:50 |
| entil | or something else that takes personal strife | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | i don't know | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | maybe you do care, did your research | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | and are proud that you made the right choice for you | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | that's ok imo | 14:50 |
| entil | sure | 14:50 |
| entil | that's personal strife imo | 14:51 |
| entil | walking into a store and buying something alone doesn't cut it, and saying "proud jolla owner" doesn't convey the research, or saving up, or whatever it took | 14:51 |
| entil | so it's just silly by itself | 14:51 |
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| dunp | http://i.imgur.com/9bEliDc.jpg hmm?? real? | 16:01 |
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| Nicd- | yes | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | apparently | 16:01 |
| Nicd- | https://www.facebook.com/JollaMobile/photos/a.551935021487007.138456.492319420781901/953188958028276/?type=1 | 16:01 |
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| Nicd- | cost will probably be 130 € | 16:03 |
| Nicd- | now thaty is expensive | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | i don't know if i care tbh :) | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | it'll be hard to buy any other phone though | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | until they get a keyboard other half | 16:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah not sure im a big fan of their magnet attachment method | 16:05 |
| r0kk3rz | check the TMO thread for details | 16:05 |
| r0kk3rz | they've been working on it for a while now | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | saw it a while ago | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | ofc i'll see it in detail before i buy it | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | otherwise i can't be proud ;) | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | but it's a keyboard | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | that fb page made me laugh btw | 16:06 |
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| dunp | extra batery on kbd? | 16:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | nah | 16:10 |
| r0kk3rz | its just a keyboard | 16:10 |
| dunp | :( | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | the concept art is pretty thoguh | 16:10 |
| r0kk3rz | they deliberately pushed back on adding extra things to it | 16:11 |
| r0kk3rz | would take longer to develop, increase costs etc | 16:11 |
| dunp | sandwich :) | 16:12 |
| Yaniel | so what is ths exactly, a bt keyboard with magnets for attaching? | 16:12 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 16:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i2c | 16:13 |
| r0kk3rz | with magnets attaching | 16:13 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than a complicated slide mechanism | 16:14 |
| Yaniel | ah | 16:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | you can watch progress here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1442614#post1442614 | 16:18 |
| r0kk3rz | along with lots of prototype pics | 16:18 |
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| dunp | nor hard to hack extra batery :D | 16:21 |
| dunp | not | 16:21 |
| r0kk3rz | no but its already going to be quite thick | 16:25 |
| r0kk3rz | battery will make it even thicker | 16:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | and then you need another charging circuit and usb port | 16:26 |
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| oku | i think there are pins in the back that can be used to charge the phone, so extra usb port wouldn't be necessary | 16:37 |
| oku | like in solarTOH. It charges straight through the pins in the back of the phone | 16:39 |
| dunp | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/12fkxdnz0f5wx23/2014-10-12%2016.34.28.jpg GND and V5 | 16:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | you need an extra USB port to charge the extra battery | 16:50 |
| r0kk3rz | not the phone | 16:51 |
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| oku | well that's true | 16:53 |
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| Nightmare__ | you could use 3.3v output and a step up converter to charge the external battery while the phone is connected to usb, and use the 5V input to power the phone | 16:55 |
| tbr | I would not try to charge a battery through the 3.3V rail | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | battery gonna take a LOOOOOONG time to charge at 150ma | 16:57 |
| tbr | it's either going to take days or will fry the regulator | 16:57 |
| Nightmare__ | or take a small battery ;) | 16:57 |
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| tbr | at which point you might as well put a single 18650 in small enclosure into your pocket | 16:58 |
| * tbr just got a shipment of those, neat aluminium cases, "lipstick" form factor | 16:59 | |
| tbr | the batteries inside are crap, but I have proper replacements | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | i got a brick style one in japan when I was there, been thinking of hacking into a toh | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | would double the thickness of the phone, but I would only put it on whilst charging | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | need to get the printers at the makerspace worked out though, the first TOH i printed ended up being 1mm small in all directions | 17:01 |
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| tbr | I have some right sized cells to build a battery toh, but didn't have the time to work on it | 17:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if a battery toh would be considered a power bank like china massively bans on planes.. | 17:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | they are technically identical | 17:32 |
| r0kk3rz | but, maybe not easily recognisable as one | 17:32 |
| dunp | if new charge port to toh and it charge phone too.. | 17:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | anybody else starts to get the feeling that something went awefully wrong with update 9? :D | 17:36 |
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| Yaniel | they decided to bump the qt version | 17:37 |
| Morpog_PC | 5.3? | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | what could *possibly* have gone wrong | 17:37 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | there were no survivors. | 17:38 |
| r0kk3rz | the dark incantations required to compile qt5.2 opened a portal into purgatory | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | those who werent captured were instantly turned mad | 17:40 |
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| stephg | r0kk3rz: all you need is a goat | 17:49 |
| pdanek | I love goat meat. | 17:49 |
| pdanek | And milk. | 17:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | mmmm feta | 17:56 |
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| Nightmare__ | the cake aka. update 9 is a lie ;) | 18:11 |
| Nicd- | delayed for one more day | 18:11 |
| Nicd- | thanks to you Nightmare__ | 18:11 |
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| Nightmare__ | they mentiond it 30 mins ago :D and btw. i bet on 18.4.2027 as release date, i have to do something so i becomes true | 18:12 |
| Nightmare__ | *it | 18:13 |
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| stephg | r0kk3rz: you're aussie no? | 18:31 |
| * stephg is curious about goats and feta | 18:32 | |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 18:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | is feta not made from goats milk? | 18:33 |
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| stephg | it can be yes | 18:34 |
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| coderus | http://u.kanobu.ru/longreads/2014/4/16/6c602d74-0532-49cb-ab99-37cfb1456790.jpg | 18:46 |
| stephg | :) | 18:47 |
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| Vince__ | Hello, I have a few questions about the Nexus 5 port of Sailfish OS | 22:06 |
| Vince__ | 1st of all, does the Jolla Store support downloads to Nexus 5 with Sailfish OS? | 22:07 |
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| coderus | Vince__: #sailfishos-porters | 22:13 |
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