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| Stskeeps | meanwhile: http://jolla.com | 05:24 |
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| Timo | Okay, so the Sailfish launcher now has got advertisements by Rovio? | 05:25 |
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| inz | Tried to get it on my Nexus S, but can't quite figure out where to click on taobao.com | 05:30 |
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| suosaaski | desperate move for rovio. | 05:48 |
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| pp_ | their latest adware (say angry birds star wars II for android) is truly awful, yes. | 06:02 |
| pp_ | google translate works | 06:03 |
| pp_ | it's probably going to download a chinese launcher tho | 06:03 |
| pp_ | Size: 28.35MBApplication category: Desktop | 06:03 |
| pp_ | Downloads: 866 timesLanguage: Chinese | 06:03 |
| pp_ | Applicable firmware version: 4.0 and above | 06:03 |
| pp_ | Copyright Developer: tian18610935357 | 06:03 |
| pp_ | When your phone is installed Angry Birds Sidai La Jolla desktop, you like being in Golden Island! Desktop wallpaper, ringtones, ToonsTV cartoon channels and other features are subject to Sidai La treatment. You only need a Android (Android) phone and a courageous spirit of adventure to experience. | 06:04 |
| pp_ | Integrated ToonsTV Cartoons | 06:04 |
| Nicd- | google translate? | 06:05 |
| Nicd- | oh the download link goes to taobao | 06:05 |
| Nicd- | wut | 06:05 |
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| Sail0r | wtf https://jolla.com/stella | 07:13 |
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| gexc | wat | 07:23 |
| meklu | quite wat indeed | 07:25 |
| meklu | and it's only available on Chinese app stores? | 07:25 |
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| tadzik | soo, can we run android jolla launcher on a jolla? :D | 07:47 |
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| Teme | must go deeper | 07:58 |
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| Acce | were not in focus anymore ;( we better start learning Chinese already | 08:24 |
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| gexc | a launcher-making jolla is not funny :-/ | 08:27 |
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| ballock | gexc: agreed | 08:29 |
| Acce | I think they're dead serious about making the launcher as good as they can | 08:29 |
| pp_ | if it's written by "tian18610935357" it's not probably away from us getting update9 :-) | 08:30 |
| Acce | it's the way to demonstrate sailfish, so that people would reflash to sailfish.. and if the launcher sucks, who would want to do that? | 08:30 |
| tadzik | aaaaaand it just got delayed one day | 08:31 |
| tadzik | Acce: and then they'll migrate to sailfish.... and it'll be worse :P | 08:31 |
| Acce | :) | 08:31 |
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| gexc | what if the launcher sucks because of the underneath android :-( | 08:37 |
| tadzik | does it suck? | 08:37 |
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| gexc | on some malware-filled phones | 08:38 |
| gexc | any app would suck | 08:38 |
| Acce | well, can't be helped | 08:38 |
| tadzik | yeah | 08:38 |
| Acce | it's still better than saying "hey, this thing we have, it's unlike and better than what you got. I have nothing to show or prove it, but just trust me" | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | but then you're used to it | 08:39 |
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| tadzik | someone once looked at my jolla at work, so an empty appscreen and then the list if app icons and said "meh, it looks just like android" | 08:41 |
| tadzik | ...but...but it's so much better "naah, just like android" | 08:42 |
| gexc | lol | 08:42 |
| tadzik | I've been re-having that conversation in my head ever since :D | 08:42 |
| ggabriel | the other day i asked a friend to give me her number and handed over the jolla with the dialer | 08:43 |
| ggabriel | ...she managed to add herself to the people application from there | 08:43 |
| Acce | well, it looks very similar (especially the app grid) | 08:43 |
| ggabriel | so, pretty good intuitive experience | 08:43 |
| gexc | make a one column app list then, it would look like windowsphone | 08:43 |
| gexc | hmm | 08:44 |
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| tadzik | haha | 08:44 |
| Acce | make a 3D virtual reality where each app is a room! | 08:44 |
| Acce | opening door opens the app | 08:44 |
| tadzik | and you can instruct other rooms what to do by knocking on the walls | 08:45 |
| tadzik | *bam bam bam* "Turn off that music!!!" | 08:45 |
| tadzik | just like in real life | 08:45 |
| Acce | yeah | 08:46 |
| Acce | so intuitive!! | 08:46 |
| tadzik | it would be some much more convenient if I could just swipe the wall gently instead of hitting the radiator with a wrench :D | 08:47 |
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| Acce | Hmm, so it would actually be better business to sell people tapestry that react to swipes | 08:48 |
| tadzik | Startup! | 08:49 |
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| Acce | yeah, imagine, just swipe to change tapestry color, just swipe to inform your neighbour you can hear their bed hitting the wall! | 08:50 |
| tadzik | swipe downwards to close the wall | 08:51 |
| tadzik | best thing ever | 08:51 |
| Acce | :D | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | on a serious note, more than these fancy things, i'll want a spare battery very soon | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | 1 year old battery = 75% of the original capacity | 08:52 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | you are not the only one | 08:53 |
| fennekki | smart tapestries? | 08:54 |
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| gexc | what is stopping jolla from selling batteries | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | gexc: logistics i'd guess? | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | but it'd be easy revenue | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | afternoon | 08:55 |
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| tadzik | is it already? :o | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | in whatever timezone i'm in.. :P | 08:55 |
| tadzik | :) | 08:55 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | awdc ? | 08:57 |
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| stephg | heh | 09:03 |
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| coderus | for example you can't send batteries to some countries | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | coderus: well, if jolla managed to sell the phone, they can also send the battery since the phone included a battery anyway | 09:14 |
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| alifakhruddin | Ahoy!! | 11:18 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | alifakhruddin, hi | 11:22 |
| alifakhruddin | Mitakuuluu.. i mean whatsuo.. 😋 | 11:23 |
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| alifakhruddin | How are the Jollas working folks | 11:28 |
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| chem|st | wtf stella launcher? | 11:55 |
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| tadzik | :D | 11:57 |
| chem|st | where is the Stella Ambience for your real customers? | 11:58 |
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| Teme | #younitedgate #stellagate #earlyupdate :< | 13:00 |
| Scelt | wall of disappointments | 13:01 |
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| clau | probably the Qt upgrade didn't work as well as planned. | 13:05 |
| clau | tbh, I'd rather wait a bit more than have a crippled phone. | 13:05 |
| Scelt | sure but maybe the piece of cake was too big to swallow at once | 13:06 |
| Teme | i wouldn't care if there was no schedule for the updates, but why have a schedule when it's almost never met? | 13:09 |
| Teme | i mean how many of the monthlies were deployed on time? | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | people would never do it if you didn't have a schedule | 13:09 |
| Teme | ok, internal scheduling of course but why make it public | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | fair | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | i don't know what would happen if you keep saying "soon" tho | 13:11 |
| * ggabriel really doesn't care :) | 13:11 | |
| r0kk3rz | a crew i met yesterday said they do weekly releases for their enterprise business decision dashboard thing that they build | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | i looked at them as if they were mad | 13:12 |
| Teme | i don't care about the update, i am happy with the device as it is.. but some users are getting very annoyed and it's not good PR :( | 13:12 |
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| ggabriel | Teme: it's PR exposure tho :) | 13:12 |
| tadzik | yeah, it's not nice | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | Teme you cant please everyone | 13:12 |
| Teme | tru dat | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | it's surprising how happy people get after they are annoyed | 13:12 |
| tadzik | especially if you advertise yourself as being so open | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | but it does appear that a lot of them are the old guard, rather than new people who have just picked up a jolla | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i think you really need to be here in IRC to get most of the communication, theres almost always someone from Jolla here chatting, or listening to our concerns | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | but as far as the updates concerned its been a little bit of a perfect storm i think | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | qt 5.2 breaking everything, exploit galore being released | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | poodles :) | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | thats what i mean, major exploit after major exploit | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | on core things like ssl and bash | 13:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | who knows how many RCs they've been through though, 20 or so probably | 13:18 |
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| clau | maybe qt 5.2 should have been done later? trying to provide new features AND upgrade to qt 5.2 must mean a shitload more work | 13:31 |
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| Yaniel | it might have been more work to change all the new stuff too later | 13:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | new features probably take advantage of qt5.2 | 13:34 |
| Acce | and I thought bringing qt 5.2 would mean that the Qt API stabilizes quite a bit | 13:34 |
| r0kk3rz | so the new stuff might not be too bad, its all the older stuff that needs fixing | 13:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | and the ui changes would impact every app and screen, which might need subtle changes here and there | 13:40 |
| r0kk3rz | its all conjecture really, it'll be done when its done I guess and people will whinge until its done | 13:40 |
| tadzik | huh, an android app just pushed a notification to my notifications, it wasn't even turned on | 13:40 |
| r0kk3rz | and probably whinge once its done | 13:40 |
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| Tegu | tadzik: has happened to me with aptoide | 13:41 |
| Tegu | iirc | 13:41 |
| r0kk3rz | because X was included, or Y has regressed, or they liked it better the way it was etc | 13:41 |
| r0kk3rz | s/was/wasnt | 13:41 |
| tadzik | brings the worst memories from running android | 13:41 |
| tadzik | "an update is available for this and that!" "how tf do you know >:(" | 13:41 |
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| Tegu | everything is silently running :( should probably try some dalvik-killer or whatsoever | 13:42 |
| chem|st | clau: that did not seem to bother before (wait a bit instead of crippled phone) | 13:42 |
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| Tegu | disclaimer: I don't really know if everything is running, just noticed I worded it badly | 13:43 |
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| chem|st | for features and stuff, noone seemed to care about if something is working properly with iphone or android -> hack everything in it, hard and dirty, leave out stuff that makes the battery burn -> call it fancy names and first phone with this feature everytime you bring something old cheese style as new | 13:44 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: I cared, as well as noone (who must be in another channel as I can't /nick to that :P ) | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | Project Butter eg fixing our shit UI stack, Project Volta eg fixing our shit power management | 13:46 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: care about iOS and android? | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | no, about the fact that each update regressed basic functionality + battery and sometimes even reception | 13:47 |
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| ggabriel | (in the context of ios/android used for my work phone) | 13:48 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: I care too, I was struck with several updates as I was already using it as primary phone | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | so it was you, me and noone then :) | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | the remainder like shiny things that don't work | 13:48 |
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| chem|st | r0kk3rz: shit UI stack? | 13:50 |
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| chem|st | my battery lasts 4 days - compared to most androids I know... amaying! | 13:51 |
| chem|st | amazing | 13:51 |
| Teme | i've had 0 problems with regression and using as primary since i got one of The First Oneâ„¢s :o | 13:51 |
| Teme | amazing luck i guess :) | 13:51 |
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| chem|st | Teme: wpa_cli got patched, modem was not working properly and ofono crashed without user actively making aware of it and so on | 13:52 |
| chem|st | Teme: maybe your usage pattern + your provider kept you safe | 13:52 |
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| chem|st | my N9 has a buggy modem or I'd still use it as primary phone | 13:53 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: interesting, mine lasts <1.5 day | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | lots of sports recording tho | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | with gps and that | 13:55 |
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| clau | I've also been using it as a primary phone since I got it back in December. | 14:07 |
| clau | and I don't want to switch to anything else, hence I'd rather wait and have a good update9, or 10. | 14:08 |
| clau | as about battery, I recharge daily. I usually have 30 to 50% left. | 14:08 |
| tadzik | mine recently started saying "plug me in!" just before it surprise-reboots | 14:09 |
| tadzik | silly | 14:09 |
| clau | I wonder, is it ok to keep it connected to the charger for a long time? I usually connect it in the evening and disconnect in the morning. | 14:09 |
| tadzik | I'm pretty sure the controller in there doesn't bother the battery if it's full and you're on AC | 14:10 |
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| clau | I certainly hope so | 14:10 |
| tadzik | if not, well, that's what replaceable battery is for | 14:10 |
| tadzik | you just buy a new one and... oh, wait... | 14:10 |
| clau | except you can't get one :) | 14:11 |
| clau | yep. | 14:11 |
| pdanek | Yea, that is mindblowing. | 14:12 |
| pdanek | I was also looking to buy a new battery for Jolla. | 14:12 |
| pdanek | Since my has perhaps 60% of original capacity. | 14:12 |
| pdanek | How the hell we can't get new battery? :) | 14:12 |
| clau | I don't mind much that other parts are not available... but battery? | 14:12 |
| pdanek | Well, if battery is not available, why is Jolla with replacable battery. | 14:13 |
| clau | in fact it would be cheaper for jolla because most people would just buy new one instead of sending it back in warranty | 14:13 |
| raa700 | so you can pull it out when sh*t hits the fan | 14:13 |
| clau | :D | 14:13 |
| pdanek | replacable battery should be in jolla shop | 14:13 |
| pdanek | no excuses | 14:13 |
| pdanek | one of little fails that Jolla did :) | 14:13 |
| pdanek | Just the fact that you can buy dozens of fancy other halves, pieces of plastic,... but can't get a battery, such fundamental part. :) | 14:14 |
| pdanek | Form over function. | 14:15 |
| pdanek | :) | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | you can get batteries made up for the size | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | big group buy from china | 14:15 |
| pdanek | Why should I buy custom batteries from China? | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | because thats where they come from | 14:16 |
| pdanek | It's like you buy new Audi, new model. | 14:16 |
| pdanek | You ask for new part of something and they say: fuck you, we don't do it, ask some 3rd party to provide it to you | 14:16 |
| pdanek | :) | 14:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | audi isnt jolla | 14:16 |
| pdanek | I understand Jolla is small, so batteries are not in shops for it. | 14:17 |
| pdanek | But because of tha texact reason, that it's hard to get battery for Jolla. | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | false equivalence basically | 14:17 |
| pdanek | Should should have it in shop. | 14:17 |
| pdanek | They* | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | people have been saying that for a while now, I can only conclude that there are reasons why they havent done it yet | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | so its obviously not that simple | 14:18 |
| pdanek | So maybe they should be more open to the community and say the reason. :) | 14:18 |
| pdanek | But maybe I'm naive. | 14:18 |
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| pdanek | You know, they don't sell it as developer device. | 14:19 |
| pdanek | They sell it as phone for end-users. | 14:19 |
| pdanek | And it's not , yet. | 14:19 |
| pdanek | :) | 14:19 |
| pdanek | End-user will not buy custom battery from China. | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | but they will (and do) buy batteries from china off Ebay | 14:20 |
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| pdanek | ok | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | the way it gets done will need to be different | 14:21 |
| r0kk3rz | but the result is the same | 14:21 |
| pdanek | I mean, I bought a lot of stuff from China. | 14:21 |
| pdanek | For me it's not a problem. | 14:21 |
| pdanek | I'm trying to imagine a situation of end-user XY. :) | 14:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | oh dont get me wrong, i agree that for most people they want a buy it now button with something that is either from jolla, or says it will work with jolla | 14:22 |
| pdanek | yea | 14:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | rather than measuring the battery size and contact location, getting a prototype run done, then getting 1000 made | 14:23 |
| r0kk3rz | but the reason the former isnt available, is because nobody has bothered to do the latter | 14:23 |
| r0kk3rz | its the same with pretty colour injection molded back covers | 14:24 |
| r0kk3rz | everything needed is available, but nobodies done it yet | 14:24 |
| pdanek | back covers is something additional to me | 14:25 |
| pdanek | it's a bonus | 14:25 |
| pdanek | attery is fundamental part | 14:25 |
| pdanek | it's a necessity | 14:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah but getting the covers done is even easier because the cad files are already available | 14:26 |
| r0kk3rz | but still nobody has done it | 14:27 |
| pdanek | right | 14:27 |
| pdanek | maybe it's not easy for Jolla, because they don | 14:27 |
| pdanek | don't sell as they planned | 14:27 |
| pdanek | so they are putting most of the effort on development | 14:28 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe its just me, but the whole do it together implies input from the community | 14:29 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than expecting jolla to provide everything | 14:29 |
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| clau | companies are never open about anything, unless they feel forced to be. | 14:32 |
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| clau | must be something they keep hearing while doing the MBA or something | 14:32 |
| r0kk3rz | well if they say something and it changes, then they get accused of being liars | 14:33 |
| clau | well, most of the time they are :D | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | then you wonder why they are apprehensive about saying things | 14:33 |
| clau | what about being honest all the time, for a change? | 14:33 |
| clau | people have a tendency to understand things when they get decent explanations. | 14:34 |
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| clau | unless you are in US and the discussion is about Ebola. | 14:35 |
| clau | apparently that's beyond reasoning. | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | thats different | 14:35 |
| clau | of course, there's fear of death involved. | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | people react badly to things that are invisible, complicated, and dangerous | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | ebola, germs, radiation | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | mostly because of the invisible and possible death bit | 14:36 |
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| clau | and because there are idiots spewing nonsense about the dangers. | 14:37 |
| clau | Sky News: "The US is struggling to cope with an [Ebola] outbreak." | 14:37 |
| clau | Death toll: 1. | 14:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah that too | 14:38 |
| r0kk3rz | crisis generate page views | 14:38 |
| r0kk3rz | manufactured or not | 14:38 |
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| TMavica | hi | 15:25 |
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| Kenno | hi | 16:32 |
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| Kenno | anyone here? | 16:32 |
| Kenno | i have one Jolla question | 16:33 |
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| Speedevil | ? | 16:41 |
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| Yaniel | patience you must learn... | 17:23 |
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| kimmoli | impatient padawan... | 17:27 |
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| AL13N | "patience must learn you" | 17:43 |
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| Acce | patience, learn you must | 17:52 |
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| nomeata | Hi. I’m trying to get started with SQML and Silicia. | 18:02 |
| nomeata | I want to place two pages next to each other, so that I can switch between them | 18:02 |
| Nicd- | nomeata: check pagestack's pushattached for that | 18:03 |
| nomeata | But it seems with the page stack, that is not quite possible, as switching to the left one always means deleting the right page | 18:03 |
| Nicd- | it's possible with pushattached | 18:03 |
| nomeata | ah, perfect | 18:03 |
| nomeata | thanks | 18:03 |
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| nomeata | another beginner question. Given two Pages, in separate QML file. Both have a TextArea. How would I go about keeping their text property in sync? | 18:08 |
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| coderus | nomeata: using js .pragma library variable | 18:12 |
| coderus | or using property in parent qml file | 18:13 |
| coderus | but why you have two textfield in different location for same purpose? | 18:13 |
| nomeata | coderus: well, one is going to be a label, I just kept the desciption of the problem simple | 18:15 |
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| nomeata | ok, so I added a string propery to my ApplicationWindow. | 18:15 |
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| nomeata | and I by using TextArea { text = thetextproperty }, it seems that the inital text is set, but updates to the text do not propagate back (and I guess I’m expecting too much reactive programming from QML to expect it) | 18:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | nomeata: most things have signals so its very responsive | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | but maybe in this case you need to look for some kind of onChanged property and rebind | 18:38 |
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| nomeata | great, I think I got that working | 18:53 |
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| nomeata | Can I simulate a rotation with the Jolla SDK? | 19:05 |
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| stephg | nomeata: not yet IIRC | 19:14 |
| nomeata | ok, thanks | 19:14 |
| nomeata | The example project contains some .ts files. How do I update these after making changes to the source? | 19:15 |
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| stephg | nomeata: in the absence of an answer from someone that can, er, answer your best bet is to copy one of the projects on github that have full translations:- see how they do it | 19:18 |
| stephg | foursail or tweetian or friends would be good examples | 19:19 |
| nomeata | stephg: well, I have the files | 19:19 |
| nomeata | but from gettext projects I’m used to some command that wold update the .ts files | 19:19 |
| stephg | look at their build steps though I mean | 19:19 |
| nomeata | ah, I see | 19:19 |
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| nomeata | hmm, can’t tell from their repo how that works | 19:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | i thought translation was automagic? | 19:21 |
| nomeata | I thought so as well | 19:21 |
| nomeata | but it doesn’t update the .ts file any more | 19:22 |
| stephg | you may have better luck in #sailfishos but that said most folks there are here also | 19:23 |
| stephg | sorry :/ | 19:23 |
| nomeata | thx, didn’t know about that channel | 19:23 |
| stephg | nomeata: no problem :) | 19:27 |
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| Venemo | M4rtinK: ping | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | Venemo: pong | 20:11 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: could you join #fedora-qa please? | 20:12 |
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| Yaniel | soo... there's a newer version of OSX now | 21:08 |
| Yaniel | about time for a newer version of Sailfish as well | 21:09 |
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