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| messerting | Guys! This is so great, anyone tried the git version?: https://together.jolla.com/question/5008/call-recording-app/#post-id-58323 | 09:39 |
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| * sec pokes messerting | 09:44 | |
| messerting | yo | 09:44 |
| sec | \o | 09:45 |
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| messerting | sec: how does it work? | 09:47 |
| messerting | records everything to flac, huge space usage? | 09:47 |
| messerting | is it safe to install/uninstall, or does it mess things up? | 09:48 |
| sec | I haven't tried it yet. But it is flac. It will take up more space than lossy alternatives. | 09:48 |
| sec | It doesn't have a UI either. Yet. | 09:49 |
| messerting | I'm happy that it actually is (will be) possible to have call recording on the jolla | 09:49 |
| sec | The developer does say he's waiting for patches to pulseaudio in the next update. | 09:49 |
| messerting | I guess very lossy voice compression would suffice for my purposes | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | out of morbid curiousity, what do you use those things for? :P | 09:50 |
| sec | Unless you're planning to record yourself singing, I doubt you need lossless. | 09:50 |
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| messerting | When you make (private) contractual agreements by phone, ie. with a salesman, such recording is of value | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | fair | 09:51 |
| sec | Always have it on writing! | 09:51 |
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| messerting | Yes, but often the agreement is made by phone, the writing comes afterwards, and doesn't always agree with what was said on the phone | 09:51 |
| messerting | (In Norway, we are allowed to make recordings for private conversations, usage of that recording is restricted though) | 09:52 |
| sec | I think that's the case everywhere | 09:53 |
| sec | Although, I've heard of cases where the recording can be legally used IF the other party is also recording | 09:54 |
| messerting | sec: I also think so, but according to the tjc thread some seems to think it is illegal | 09:54 |
| sec | I heard a case about a Paypal disposition where such a thing was used by a merchant when Paypal closed his account *apparently* pointlessly | 09:54 |
| messerting | good point | 09:55 |
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| sec | messerting: It's grey areas like this that make people want to shoot lawyers | 09:56 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | in germany you have to inform the other party before you start recording | 09:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | and only record if the other party accepts | 09:59 |
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| sec | Morpog_PC__: What if I call up some place where they have this notice that says they're going to record the coversation for whatever retarded purposes. Can you also record then? | 10:00 |
| Morpog_PC__ | dunno | 10:00 |
| sec | Aye, confusing grey areas. Shoot lawyers. Gotcha. | 10:00 |
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| arnbak | whats the easiest way to debug a data connection, that won't connect ? | 10:01 |
| messerting | Morpog_PC__: What you say applies only to businesses, not private conversations, am I right? | 10:04 |
| Morpog_PC__ | nope private too | 10:04 |
| sec | arnbak: syslog? | 10:04 |
| messerting | Morpog_PC__: I think you are wrong, but do you have link to a document/site that confirms your claim? This applies to all of EU? | 10:05 |
| Jonni | messerting: that git repo fails to compile on latest devel :) | 10:05 |
| Jonni | most likely was some qt5.2 releated compile error, didnt spend much time there, just tested that does it compile. | 10:07 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | messerting, ยง 201 StGB | 10:10 |
| messerting | Morpog_PC__: thanks | 10:13 |
| * messerting brushes dust off my german dictionary... | 10:13 | |
| Morpog_PC__ | law german, even germans don't really understand it :D | 10:14 |
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| messerting | Morpog_PC__: does this law address eavesdropping on other private conversations, or does it also apply to conversations one self takes part in? | 10:16 |
| Morpog_PC__ | to all conversations | 10:16 |
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| sec | Eavesdropping comes under unauthorized wiretapping laws. Illegal everywhere. | 10:18 |
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| messerting | sec: the "NSA authorized" wiretapping is legal, isn't it? At least in the states, right? | 10:20 |
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| tigeli | Mirv: elisa has had some problems in their lte csfb from lte->2g, however upcoming update9 will have enchance jolla try harder to fallback to 3g instead of 2g. | 15:24 |
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| tigeli | for jolla to try.. | 15:29 |
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| pawky|2 | what am I to use to show a video stream, the SilicaWebView ? | 16:06 |
| pdanek | tigeli: I have issues for fallback from 3g to 4g | 16:07 |
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| pdanek | like, my phones runs on 4g, then I take it to my hands and cause lose of signal --> jumps to 3g --> I leave it again, and it will not jump to 4g any time soon, only after longer time | 16:08 |
| tigeli | pdanek: it's up to modem when it does that.. unless you force it to be lte-onlu | 16:09 |
| Morpog_PC__ | https://twitter.com/Morpog/status/520968532277100544/photo/1 | 16:09 |
| pdanek | tigeli: how do I force it to LTE-only? | 16:09 |
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| tigeli | pdanek: /bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.RadioSettings.SetProperty string:"TechnologyPreference" variant:string:"lte | 16:11 |
| tigeli | pdanek: from terminal.. but no calls when you do that :) | 16:11 |
| Mirv | tigeli: oh, interesting, that elisa bit. | 16:11 |
| pdanek | tigeli: and how do I disable please? :) | 16:11 |
| tigeli | pdanek: /bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.RadioSettings.SetProperty string:"TechnologyPreference" variant:string:"any | 16:12 |
| tigeli | " | 16:12 |
| Mirv | if I'd get even easier setting (to eg notifications screen) for switching between 4G and 3G preferred manually, I'd be quite ok. I only need 4G when tethering. | 16:12 |
| Mirv | or actually it could be really part of the tethering app. enable tethering -> 4G, otherwise no. there is no real sense in LTE around here when only using the mobile device. | 16:13 |
| tigeli | i think there's an app to do that on openrepos | 16:13 |
| pdanek | that's exactly what I need now, 4G all the time | 16:13 |
| pdanek | no calls needed, nothing else | 16:13 |
| Mirv | ok, I'll check those | 16:13 |
| pdanek | for tethering | 16:13 |
| tigeli | pdanek: Mirv: https://openrepos.net/content/penguin/radio-switcher | 16:13 |
| pdanek | but I'm worried that wifi lowers signal of LTE | 16:13 |
| Mirv | tigeli: thanks, I was just copy-paste it as "found" :) | 16:14 |
| pdanek | so I tried the usb tethering app | 16:14 |
| Mirv | looks good | 16:14 |
| pdanek | which creates nat + dhcp server | 16:14 |
| tigeli | pdanek: it won't.. but in general usb-tethering is faster | 16:14 |
| pdanek | but that NAT seems to be only for some ports | 16:14 |
| pdanek | custom ports don't work | 16:14 |
| Mirv | yeah BT doesn't really work for 4G tethering, it caps somewhere around 1.5MBps :S | 16:14 |
| Mirv | sorry, little 'b' | 16:15 |
| pdanek | so I may need to manually forward ports via iptables | 16:15 |
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| pdanek | usb tethering app not enough | 16:15 |
| tigeli | I've been doing 100Mbps over usb | 16:15 |
| tigeli | with lte and jolla | 16:15 |
| pdanek | nice | 16:15 |
| tigeli | just plain routing to 192.168.2.15 over usb and nat on jolla | 16:16 |
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| tigeli | though.. if you ran it full speed on lte for 6 hours the battery will go zero :) (500mAh is not enough to keep the charge at 100%) | 16:17 |
| tigeli | meaning... 6 hours for 100Mbps ;) | 16:18 |
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| pdanek | tigeli: even if your display is off and you tether via usb? 500 mAh not enough? | 16:23 |
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| M4rtinK | yay, just hit the btrfs free space bug! :) | 16:30 |
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| M4rtinK | and that's why I like LVM + xfs/ext4 better than btrfs | 16:38 |
| M4rtinK | as it gives you at least some chance to check how much free space is remaining | 16:38 |
| M4rtinK | not a lying df / that reports 2.3 GB free while random writes fail | 16:38 |
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| pawky|2 | M4rtinK: you can use btrf's df instead | 16:53 |
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| M4rtinK | pawky|2: even that showed some free space | 17:09 |
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| M4rtinK | even though small even small writes randomly failed | 17:09 |
| M4rtinK | also, why is it not hooked to df ? | 17:10 |
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| M4rtinK | needing to use a "special" df for a filesystem seems rather, well rather retarded | 17:10 |
| teve | reinveting the wheel syndrome :-) | 17:11 |
| pawky|2 | I believe there are forums for these type of quetions... | 17:12 |
| pawky|2 | (questions) | 17:12 |
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| pawky|2 | M4rtinK: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page | 17:13 |
| M4rtinK | teve: pretty much | 17:13 |
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| M4rtinK | teve: the more I learn about storage, the less I like btrfs in comparison to LVM :) | 17:13 |
| M4rtinK | & "normal" filesystems | 17:14 |
| teve | I agree | 17:14 |
| pawky|2 | M4rtinK: I would say, its probably the other way around... | 17:14 |
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| pawky|2 | The more people "think" they understand btrfs, the less they seem to like it... | 17:14 |
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| pawky|2 | If you really would understand it, you wouldn't a) discuss it on a jollamobile forum b)know how to check the disk size... | 17:16 |
| pawky|2 | space... | 17:16 |
| pawky|2 | Then again, who am I to judge... | 17:17 |
| M4rtinK | I think no one really understands btrfs :) | 17:18 |
| M4rtinK | I mean completely | 17:18 |
| pawky|2 | Well, I use it, and I have no problems with it... on the contrary it has saved me a few times when hard disks have gone to bit heaven... | 17:18 |
| M4rtinK | it is not really possible for projects so complex as modern filesystems | 17:18 |
| pawky|2 | Could someone give me some insigts in how to view a media stream using QML ? | 17:19 |
| pdanek | yet we continue using fat on our sd cards | 17:19 |
| pdanek | :P | 17:19 |
| pawky|2 | pdanek: we do? | 17:20 |
| pdanek | I do :( | 17:20 |
| pawky|2 | I have used ext3 since ages ago... | 17:20 |
| pdanek | vfat | 17:20 |
| M4rtinK | well, I have ext4 and it works just fine | 17:20 |
| pawky|2 | and ext4 | 17:20 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, shame the Jolla kernel does not have xfs :) | 17:20 |
| pdanek | what about btrfs drivers for windows? | 17:20 |
| M4rtinK | I kinda got into the habit using it everywhere these days :) | 17:21 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: I think it is a small miracle to be able to mount even ext3/4 on Windows | 17:21 |
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| pdanek | back | 17:27 |
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| pawky|2 | is there no one in here who knows how to program for sailfish? | 17:50 |
| pdanek | nah, we are bfus | 17:50 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:50 |
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| pdanek | it's basically just facebook terminal for us | 17:51 |
| pdanek | only that it sounnds nicer than android | 17:52 |
| pdanek | thats's why | 17:52 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | pawky|2, go to #sailfishos | 17:56 |
| pawky|2 | Morpog_PC__: thanks. | 17:57 |
| pdanek | nedvihas mi skype | 17:58 |
| pdanek | sorry | 17:58 |
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| pdanek1 | guys | 18:29 |
| pdanek1 | usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config | 18:30 |
| pdanek1 | Do you know this package? | 18:30 |
| pdanek1 | It adds an icon to tether via USB after plug in the USB. | 18:30 |
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| pdanek | But it doesn't seem to tether on al ports. | 18:32 |
| pdanek | However I don't see any specific ports forwarded in iptables/. | 18:32 |
| pdanek | How do I do that? | 18:32 |
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| pdanek | http://pastebin.com/574ruU8n | 18:36 |
| pdanek | It looks like it translates all on USB, but it doesn't. | 18:37 |
| pdanek | Not all ports work for me. | 18:37 |
| pdanek | It's urgent. :D | 18:38 |
| pdanek | like it doesn't support peer to peer | 18:40 |
| pdanek | in League of Legends, when I disable peer to peer transfer, I can connect via USB | 18:40 |
| pdanek | when it's enabled, I can't | 18:40 |
| pdanek | via wifi, always works | 18:40 |
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| coderus | pdanek1: sure | 19:07 |
| coderus | pdanek1: this package doing exactly same you described ;) | 19:08 |
| coderus | pdanek1: explain what do you want to achieve exactly> | 19:09 |
| coderus | ? | 19:09 |
| pdanek1 | I think it's more a problem of the game | 19:12 |
| pdanek1 | it's kind of random | 19:12 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 19:12 |
| pdanek1 | now I'm connected | 19:12 |
| pdanek1 | with peer to peer off in the game | 19:12 |
| pdanek1 | thanks anyway | 19:12 |
| M4rtinK | so even though moving 5 GB of data to uSD seems to have helped with the btrfs out of space issues | 19:19 |
| M4rtinK | but I'm still running btrfs balance start / just in case | 19:20 |
| M4rtinK | lets see how many days it takes :) | 19:20 |
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| M4rtinK | nice, you can even watch the progress: | 19:22 |
| M4rtinK | watch -n1 -d btrfs balance status / -v | 19:22 |
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| coderus | pdanek1: you mean you sharing connection from Jolla to PC and you game have troubles with it? | 19:27 |
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| krnlyng | is there a way to share my pc's internet connection with the jolla phone using usb? | 20:09 |
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| Jonni | krnlyng: yes https://together.jolla.com/question/45222/internet-trough-usb-to-jolla/ | 20:52 |
| krnlyng | Jonni: thanks | 20:52 |
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| M4rtinK | for the record the btrfs rebalance seems to have gone fine :) | 21:49 |
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