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| stephg | morning folks | 08:20 |
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| stephg | quiet on irc today | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | just jetlagged | 08:20 |
| stephg | hehe | 08:20 |
| stephg | happy to be home I bet tho | 08:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | have fun in india Stskeeps ? | 08:22 |
| inte | hello | 08:22 |
| inte | are there any rumors about a Jolla2 phone? | 08:22 |
| inte | my display has a crack and it would cost me roughly 120euros to fix it | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: ah, i'm not part of the india team | 08:23 |
| inte | however, if i could also get a jolla2 in maybe 6month i would overthink it | 08:23 |
| r0kk3rz | oh ok, hk then :P | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | i am technical, i don't go on stages ;) | 08:23 |
| inte | or a new jolla1 for lets say... 180euros | 08:23 |
| r0kk3rz | you could have been working some background magic | 08:24 |
| inte | are there any news? | 08:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | inte: nope, i would expect Jolla to keep very quiet about it until they're just about to release | 08:26 |
| pp_ | :-) | 08:26 |
| inte | well, they didnt do so for the first one :) | 08:26 |
| pp_ | they might accidentally have code in their kernel tree (or maybe not :-) ) | 08:27 |
| inte | however, to keep quiet is still better than nokia anouncing smartphones roughly a year before release | 08:27 |
| inte | or ericsson... | 08:27 |
| pp_ | I'd assume it's 3.4 for the current one and some other android-kernel-based-thingy for whatever they might have some day | 08:27 |
| inte | hehe i remeber having seen this ericsson smartphone with flapable keyboard at the cebit... 99? | 08:27 |
| r0kk3rz | they've only just released the jphone in india, which means there should be at least 6 months before the next one | 08:28 |
| inte | it eventually came to market in 2001 or something :) | 08:28 |
| r0kk3rz | but i'm sure they started work on the jphone2 the second the first one was released | 08:29 |
| inte | this snpadeal offer is for india? | 08:30 |
| trigpoint | I am trying to add streams to sailwave, but what is it looking for? | 08:33 |
| trigpoint | If I add http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r2.asx is compains its a file, then if I unpack it and add | 08:34 |
| trigpoint | mms://wmlive-acl.bbc.net.uk/wms/bbc_ami/radio2/radio2_bb_live_eq1_sl0 it complains that it doesn't understand mms | 08:35 |
| trigpoint | The mms stream is what opens with mplayer | 08:35 |
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| inte | hey, why is the Jolla only 212euro in India? | 08:36 |
| tadzik | so indians can afford it, I guess | 08:36 |
| Scelt | and shorter road from China factory | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | different market, different pricing.. | 08:37 |
| tadzik | that's a rule in our world, the closer you live to germany, the richer everyone assumes you are | 08:37 |
| tadzik | (because fuck poland :P) | 08:38 |
| inte | i have to go to india :) | 08:38 |
| inte | a new screen cost me 120euro, id rather go for a new phone for 212!! | 08:38 |
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| suosaaski | inte: but then you would still have that broken screen on the other phone, and you would have 100e less :) | 08:39 |
| inte | well i guess i could sell the broken one on ebay for the difference | 08:39 |
| r0kk3rz | keep it for parts | 08:40 |
| r0kk3rz | spare internals, battery etc | 08:40 |
| inte | as I always say, 100euro is going out at St. Pauli for one night :) | 08:41 |
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| meklu | tadzik: but everything's cheap there! D: | 08:44 |
| tadzik | meklu: yeah, sure. Jolla, Steam games... | 08:44 |
| meklu | food, food, food... | 08:45 |
| meklu | computer parts | 08:45 |
| tadzik | food isn't regionally priced, for obvious reasons | 08:45 |
| meklu | I think I meant germany here | 08:46 |
| tadzik | oh | 08:46 |
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| inte | germany is not that particula cheap | 08:47 |
| inte | at least for hamburg | 08:47 |
| inte | or, at least for the bars in hamburg | 08:47 |
| inte | if you only go for alcohol from the supermarket, its probably extraordinary cheap compared to finland :) | 08:48 |
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| Shinryuu | Wut, I closed warehouse, my led blinked rapidly in a green color, screen turned off but couple of seconds later it turned on and this thing seems to work just fine :D | 08:50 |
| meklu | I've had that happen a few times with different things | 08:52 |
| Shinryuu | Oh.. guess I'll try to dive more into this thing later. I hope it's just a random bug, not anything criticak. | 08:53 |
| Shinryuu | critical* | 08:53 |
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| Nicd- | Shinryuu: I think it means the UI (lipstick) crashed | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | but was automatically rebooted | 08:58 |
| kimmoli | "GLOD" | 08:58 |
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| Shinryuu | Oh.. well that's a nice thing to hear | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | kimmoli: but usual "of Death" things result in a power cycle or complete brick | 08:59 |
| Shinryuu | guess I'll reboot this thing.. I rarely do that | 09:00 |
| kimmoli | yes, i had BRLOD few days ago then... | 09:00 |
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| Shinryuu | Hope this thing won't brick etc. | 09:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | nah its just lipstick restarting itself | 09:21 |
| r0kk3rz | happens on occasion | 09:22 |
| Nicd- | so just what I said :P | 09:22 |
| chem|st | Shinryuu: nothing to worry as the others said, that was lipstick crashing - provide logs to warehouse maintainer... | 09:22 |
| Shinryuu | I'll do that later, I'm at work. | 09:23 |
| chem|st | (just guessing that it was warehouse causing it, might be getting back to home-screen so lipstick crashed itself) | 09:23 |
| chem|st | inte: cheap depends on where you are, student-bars even in hamburg will be much cheaper than any other bar for example | 09:25 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: GLOR(esurrection) and RLOD | 09:26 |
| kimmoli | official acronyms \o/ | 09:26 |
| chem|st | yeah! | 09:26 |
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| chem|st | just like SOON(TM) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | morn faenil | 09:27 |
| faenil | Stskeeps: yo o/ | 09:27 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: how about GLORY? | 09:28 |
| inte | chem|st: there are not too many student bars in hamburg | 09:29 |
| inte | im kind of glad not to have studied in hamburg | 09:29 |
| chem|st | inte: you know of! | 09:29 |
| chem|st | hamburg is expensive though | 09:29 |
| inte | there are so many nice things to do which you couldnt afford as student | 09:30 |
| inte | of? | 09:30 |
| inte | thats a bar? | 09:30 |
| inte | i dont know it... | 09:30 |
| inte | :) | 09:30 |
| chem|st | you know fo/about | 09:30 |
| inte | ah | 09:30 |
| inte | yeah :) | 09:31 |
| chem|st | what did you pay for a beer? | 09:31 |
| inte | entrance at pudel club is only 3euro :) | 09:31 |
| chem|st | or a cocktail? | 09:31 |
| inte | chem|st: depends where you are | 09:31 |
| inte | a cocktail can cost around 12euro | 09:31 |
| chem|st | calc avg please | 09:31 |
| inte | usually cuba libre is around 7 | 09:31 |
| inte | or even more | 09:31 |
| inte | like at the empire riverside cocktailbar | 09:32 |
| inte | nice view there, though | 09:32 |
| chem|st | I am in a rather cheap area and get .5L beer for about 3.70 and cocktails or longdrings >5.00 | 09:33 |
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| chem|st | prestige places over here charge you 7eur for a glas of water... been to st tropez? 9eur for a coke... | 09:34 |
| inte | where are you? | 09:34 |
| chem|st | close to the french border (Kaiserslautern) | 09:35 |
| inte | ah | 09:35 |
| chem|st | we have approx the highest bar to citizen ratio in the country | 09:36 |
| inte | isnt that bw? | 09:37 |
| inte | then you need it because its forbidden to sell alcohol to the curb after 10pm :) | 09:37 |
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| inte | thats a thing I like in hamburg, you have plenty of kiosk all over that town which are open either till late or 24h | 09:38 |
| inte | not that i need to buy alcohol that late often | 09:38 |
| inte | but I could | 09:38 |
| inte | :) | 09:38 |
| chem|st | no that is RLP and we have those rules as protection of some places, downtown where the crash kids live at night they don't sell after 10 | 09:40 |
| chem|st | but they gather at 9:45 buy what they may carry and get wasted around the corner anyway | 09:41 |
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| inte | chem|st: so your lucky | 09:44 |
| Sail0r | http://media.theage.com.au/featured/iphone-6-bend-test-5808006.html?rand=1411531526782 | 09:44 |
| inte | ive been to heidelberg once and they were very strict on that rule | 09:44 |
| inte | i wasnt even allowed to buy some beer in a supermarket at 10:02pm | 09:44 |
| inte | after i was in the line for 10minutes | 09:45 |
| inte | pretty much annoying | 09:45 |
| chem|st | inte: the register won't allow you to buy, it is not up to the sales person^^ | 09:45 |
| inte | well then they should tune their registers | 09:45 |
| inte | cant be | 09:45 |
| chem|st | those rules are stupid anyway | 09:45 |
| inte | the whole law is rediculous anyway | 09:46 |
| inte | yes | 09:46 |
| inte | but what would one expect from that local government | 09:46 |
| inte | i recently read they are about to ban public drinking completly | 09:46 |
| inte | like in US | 09:46 |
| inte | as if this was ther problem | 09:46 |
| chem|st | I needed a bottle of red wine for a dinner and was screwed over... | 09:46 |
| inte | its not about alcohol | 09:47 |
| chem|st | no it is about visible poverty | 09:47 |
| inte | I had the impression that in BW the people are in desperate need for rules | 09:47 |
| inte | and if they dont have any, they dont know to behave | 09:47 |
| chem|st | they forbid tits on TV but brutal man slaughter is allowed... | 09:47 |
| inte | strange folks | 09:47 |
| inte | where was that? | 09:48 |
| inte | :) | 09:48 |
| inte | i rather go for tits :-P | 09:48 |
| chem|st | even in the news, they just say "the following content may be to graphic for some people" | 09:48 |
| inte | chem|st: reminds me when I was in Tanzania | 09:48 |
| inte | if you where traveling by bus, they always showed action movies | 09:48 |
| Sail0r | well you all have luck | 09:48 |
| Sail0r | I am from bavaria were the shops close at 8pm | 09:49 |
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| inte | but if there was a kissing scene (which are rare in those movies anyways), they instantly fast forwarded them :) | 09:49 |
| inte | Sail0r: but there should be small Kiosks? | 09:49 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: I would close of shops at 8pm too everywhere, protect those sad workers | 09:49 |
| inte | hehe | 09:50 |
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| inte | chem|st: I guess theyre rather happy to work for their money | 09:50 |
| Sail0r | inte: mostly gas stattions | 09:50 |
| inte | Sail0r: well but at least those sell alcohol after 10pm? | 09:50 |
| inte | :) | 09:50 |
| chem|st | there is no need to have shops open, if you don't have them open till 12pm you adapt to it, if some have open till 12pm you swear out loud when a shop closes at 8pm | 09:51 |
| Sail0r | but only small amounts and tripled price | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | in finland all alcohol sales are forbidden between 9pm - 9am | 09:51 |
| Sail0r | even at a bar? | 09:51 |
| joonahoi | in retail stores | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | yeah, meaning stores | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | not restaurants or bars | 09:51 |
| Sail0r | ok | 09:51 |
| inte | Nicd-: and does that help anyone? | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | inte: no | 09:51 |
| chem|st | it helps bars | 09:51 |
| inte | :) | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | but we love forbidding things | 09:52 |
| inte | ok, agree | 09:52 |
| inte | Nicd-: sounds like in BW:) | 09:52 |
| inte | Nicd-: are bars allowed to open the whole night? | 09:53 |
| Nicd- | inte: no | 09:53 |
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| chem|st | the rather 24h opening ours open new job opportunities, yes | 09:53 |
| inte | wups | 09:53 |
| inte | not even clubs? | 09:53 |
| chem|st | inte: in Germany you need a permit | 09:53 |
| inte | when do they usually close? | 09:53 |
| inte | chem|st: probably depends on where you are | 09:53 |
| inte | at least I cant imaging all bars in Hamburg have applied for an extra permit | 09:54 |
| inte | and the seldom close before 2 during the week | 09:54 |
| inte | 4 during the weekend | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | inte: a place serving alcohol can be opened at 5 am at the earliest and closed at 2 pm at the latest. the closing time can be extended to 4.30 am with a special permit | 09:54 |
| inte | and some dont close at all | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | closed at 2 am at the latest* | 09:55 |
| inte | Nicd-: so there are 30 minutes where you're not allowed to serve drinks :) | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | damn am/pm, I always mess up | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | inte: yes, if you close at 2 am then you must stop serving at 1.30 am | 09:55 |
| chem|st | don't know I do not own a club/bar but you need a permit, the part I know is you can have a permit for all days till 3am (fill in time you want), changing that for one night eg thursday is a bank holiday and you want to open till 5am you face a pretty expensive charge to have that single day permit for those two hours | 09:55 |
| inte | ah so its one hour | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | but if you close at 1.30 am or earlier then I think you can keep serving alcohol till closing time | 09:56 |
| inte | with extension | 09:56 |
| inte | well, in heidelberg they at to close at 1 if i got it right | 09:56 |
| inte | and at 11pm, the police came to check if they putted away their outside desks properly | 09:57 |
| inte | :) | 09:57 |
| inte | very strange | 09:57 |
| chem|st | if they had issues with neighbours getting pissed after 11pm they go check if you close your outside area properly | 09:58 |
| inte | i dont know | 09:58 |
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| chem|st | I know ;) | 09:58 |
| inte | that was the old town | 09:58 |
| inte | I just would move there if I find it too loud | 09:59 |
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| inte | since they banned smoking people are standing outside anyways :) | 09:59 |
| chem|st | heidelberg has really issues with complaints, iirc they want to change the closing time again (my GF studies there) | 09:59 |
| inte | LOL | 09:59 |
| inte | I had the impression that place sucks | 10:00 |
| inte | I obviously does | 10:00 |
| chem|st | and yes it is so stupid, if you cannot live with the noise of downtown, don't move downtown! | 10:00 |
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| rigo | AFAIK, Berlin has compulsory closing time for bars | 10:01 |
| rigo | has no | 10:01 |
| rigo | so they can be open 24h | 10:01 |
| inte | its incredible how different germany is if you go to different areas | 10:02 |
| inte | I traveled a bit recently | 10:02 |
| inte | Berlin is nice anyways | 10:02 |
| inte | Thats where the government is and probably the like long opening hours :) | 10:02 |
| inte | they | 10:04 |
| inte | chem|st: Heidelberg has a nice downtown | 10:04 |
| inte | the castle | 10:05 |
| inte | everything | 10:05 |
| inte | but as soon as you leave that area it get incredibly ugly | 10:05 |
| inte | I seldom experienced such contrasts | 10:05 |
| r0kk3rz | i need to figure out where im going in germany | 10:05 |
| inte | maybe similar to Dresden, but Dresden was completly wiped out in WW2 | 10:06 |
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| inte | r0kk3rz: i'd suggest Hamburg, Berlin, Munich | 10:06 |
| chem|st | inte: the gov is split between Bonn and Berlin, Berlin is the representative Capital | 10:06 |
| grzywacz | chem|st, not all people "moved" downtime, some might have been living there for generations since times with no 24/7 bars ;) | 10:06 |
| grzywacz | *downtown | 10:06 |
| inte | chem|st: yes | 10:06 |
| chem|st | grzywacz: also true | 10:06 |
| r0kk3rz | might not make it down to munich, but berlin and hamburg for sure | 10:07 |
| inte | but apart from the ministry of health and some smaler instituions everything moved to Berlin afaik | 10:07 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: Leipzig is extraordinary nice as well | 10:07 |
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| inte | r0kk3rz: from Munich you could also do a daytrip to the Zugspitze, Germanys highes peak | 10:08 |
| inte | do some skiing | 10:08 |
| inte | ok | 10:08 |
| inte | From Hamburg you could go to the coast | 10:08 |
| r0kk3rz | might have to see if I can factor that in | 10:08 |
| inte | beautiful landscape as well :) | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | from hamburg i'll be heading to copenhagen on my way to sweden | 10:09 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: ah, copenhagen is very nice as well! | 10:09 |
| * inte has been to the Roskilde festival a couple of times | 10:09 | |
| inte | and some daytrips to copenhagen from there | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | inte: 6 ministries have their first office in Bonn, one is the DOD... all others have a secondary office there | 10:12 |
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| inte | chem|st: ok. well Germany is rich we can afford to pay the government twice :) | 10:12 |
| inte | actually, three times, if you also count brussels | 10:13 |
| inte | :) | 10:13 |
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| Sail0r | r0kk3rz: the new app icon is cool | 10:41 |
| Sail0r | and the new cover, too | 10:41 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its not too bad | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | been a long time since i tried any graphic design | 10:43 |
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| chem|st | inte`: count them 4 times, govs like to travel alot | 11:07 |
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| eyea_UK_ | jolla )0!1@ joh | 11:22 |
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| shanttu | my jolla got laggy and I discovered the problem is caused by btrfs bug https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 11:38 |
| stephg | shanttu: yep that happens | 11:38 |
| shanttu | btrfs balance / has ran almost two hours and status is "0 out of about 22 chunks balanced (19 considered), 100% left" | 11:39 |
| shanttu | should i stop it or do something else? | 11:39 |
| tbr | shanttu: how much free space does your filesystem have? | 11:39 |
| shanttu | almost 5 gigs | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | mine ran for 10 - 20 minutes but I did not get any visible output in the meantime | 11:39 |
| Jonni | balance can take 24 hours on worst cases | 11:39 |
| Jonni | so patience is the keyword when running balance command | 11:40 |
| stephg | ^^ and power :) | 11:40 |
| shanttu | i just wait and hope it ends well then | 11:41 |
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| shanttu | I was almost looking to buy another phone already but discovered that topic. really waiting to get non-laggy experience again with the device. It's been like a N900 simulator when I cannot answer a call. | 11:43 |
| stephg | all sorts of odd things go on when the btrfs gets messed up | 11:44 |
| SK_work | btrfs balance tooked a night for me | 11:50 |
| SK_work | I launched it once, didn't work well | 11:50 |
| SK_work | and relaunched it | 11:50 |
| ccha5 | has someone installed skype? does it work ? since few week, skype doesn't work anymore | 11:57 |
| inte` | Sail0r, r0kk3rz which app? | 11:58 |
| ccha5 | for me | 11:58 |
| Sail0r | SirenSong | 11:58 |
| inte` | ccha5: there is skype for jolla? | 11:58 |
| ccha5 | android | 11:58 |
| inte` | ccha5: or do you mean skype on android? | 11:58 |
| inte` | ah | 11:58 |
| inte` | dont know | 11:58 |
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| inte` | I only wonder if it is possible to just copy the skype libs from the n9 and utilize them on the jolla | 11:59 |
| r0kk3rz | inte`: its a music player i'm writing | 11:59 |
| inte` | :) | 11:59 |
| inte` | r0kk3rz: ah cool | 11:59 |
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| SK_work | inte`: someone did this on #sailfishos-porters | 12:00 |
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| inte` | SK_work: is there something at tmo or anywhere else? | 12:01 |
| inte` | sounds interesting | 12:01 |
| Venemo_j | morning | 12:02 |
| inte` | however, skype blocked some older versions recently | 12:02 |
| SK_work | yep | 12:02 |
| inte` | dont know if the n9 still works since the usb-port is broken on mine | 12:02 |
| SK_work | inte`: forgot who said this | 12:02 |
| Venemo_j | inte`: it is highly unlikely | 12:02 |
| SK_work | and I don't have logs | 12:02 |
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| inte` | Venemo_j: it unlikely skype still works on the n9 | 12:03 |
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| ccha5 | inte`: I updated to last skype android version and can't connecte | 12:03 |
| inte` | ? | 12:03 |
| inte` | ccha5: i barely use skype | 12:03 |
| Venemo_j | inte`: it is unlikely that the binaries as copied from the N9 will work | 12:03 |
| inte` | dont know whats the problem | 12:03 |
| inte` | Venemo_j: why | 12:03 |
| inte` | at least for chat? | 12:03 |
| inte` | architecture is similar | 12:04 |
| Venemo_j | I don't think the two platforms are binary compatible | 12:04 |
| inte` | arch as well | 12:04 |
| SK_work | Venemo_j: I have seen someone saying that he made it work (on #sailfishos-porters) | 12:04 |
| SK_work | even if I doubt too about the BC | 12:04 |
| Venemo_j | actually, the architecture is not the same | 12:04 |
| * inte` didnt even know that this channel exists | 12:04 | |
| r0kk3rz | its about time someone made an open skype replacement | 12:04 |
| inte` | if i had a n9(50) it would be easy to figure that out | 12:05 |
| inte` | r0kk3rz: there are some | 12:05 |
| inte` | like tox | 12:05 |
| inte` | and anything else | 12:05 |
| inte` | I recently read about, was anounced for SFOS as well | 12:05 |
| SK_work | I was more thinking about linking to skylib | 12:05 |
| r0kk3rz | tox isnt video though | 12:05 |
| SK_work | and doing some bridging thing | 12:05 |
| SK_work | a bit like libhybris + apkenv | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | and neither is ricochet which will be released on sfos first | 12:06 |
| inte` | tox is supposed to do video once it is finished I think | 12:06 |
| inte` | are right, ricochet | 12:06 |
| SK_work | who said that it will be SFOS first ? | 12:06 |
| SK_work | (ricochet ?) | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | ummm | 12:07 |
| r0kk3rz | the wired interview mentioned it i think | 12:07 |
| Venemo_j | you can use the android version of skype on the jolla though | 12:07 |
| inte` | tox is advertising video @tox.im | 12:07 |
| r0kk3rz | the dude that wrote it works for jolla | 12:07 |
| SK_work | Venemo_j: ccha5 said it is not working anymore | 12:07 |
| Venemo_j | then that's a bug | 12:08 |
| faenil | SK_work: special said it himself ;) | 12:08 |
| SK_work | faenil: ha ? | 12:09 |
| cybette | https://twitter.com/jbrooks_/status/512553819062800384 | 12:09 |
| SK_work | good for us :) | 12:09 |
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| inte` | https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/releases | 12:10 |
| inte` | its already available for desktops | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | yeah, he meant for mobile | 12:11 |
| r0kk3rz | doesnt need to be a super secret skype replacement though, just something not owned by microsoft | 12:11 |
| inte` | hehe | 12:11 |
| inte` | true | 12:11 |
| inte` | wait | 12:11 |
| inte` | we have gtalk | 12:12 |
| inte` | :) | 12:12 |
| Nicd- | google is not a better choice :P | 12:12 |
| tadzik | oh yeah, *way* better :P | 12:12 |
| inte` | hehe | 12:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | but if ricochet just works, and all the commsec voodoo is mostly hidden from the user | 12:13 |
| r0kk3rz | then im all for it | 12:13 |
| chem|st | SK_work: special said on his twitter, is linked on TJC and on facebook | 12:15 |
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| SK_work | thanks :) | 12:16 |
| chem|st | SK_work: nvw I just missed to hit pagedwn.... | 12:16 |
| chem|st | ;) | 12:16 |
| inte` | ricochet looks really promising | 12:16 |
| faenil | :) | 12:16 |
| inte` | tox is a bit too complicated IMHO | 12:16 |
| inte` | and its being developed for ages | 12:16 |
| inte` | and still no stable release | 12:17 |
| inte` | i was hoping tox could be something two years ago | 12:17 |
| inte` | but till now... | 12:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | if they can make ricochet as easy as whatsapp, then maybe | 12:20 |
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| Andy80 | morning | 12:20 |
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| Andy80 | I've seen there is an update for mitakuuluu in openrepos (0.8.8), was it released today? I installed it but I don't remember which version I had before :P | 12:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | Andy80: theres going to be another release soon, which hopefully fixes the cpu bug | 12:23 |
| Andy80 | r0kk3rz, ah cool! | 12:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | well the only person to reproduce the bug on demand says its fixed, which is good enough for me | 12:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm the current release of ricochet looks pretty basic | 12:34 |
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| inte` | on desktop? | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 12:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | the main thing missing is a good discovery service | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | which is important if its ever going to gain decent market share | 12:36 |
| inte` | does it use central servers? | 12:37 |
| inte` | or how do you find each other? | 12:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | it gives you a ricochet id, which you give out | 12:39 |
| r0kk3rz | and they add you to their list | 12:39 |
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| inte | ah, similar to tox | 12:39 |
| inte | the id is also some hash like asfsdfsdbmfhtrwit43uq n8t5wmt 4w5iout m45ilu 4u5ilm 4u5oi;lt | 12:40 |
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| inte | ? | 12:40 |
| inte | or can you also choose a nickname? | 12:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think so | 12:40 |
| chem|st | inte: you do not need nicknames anymore | 12:40 |
| r0kk3rz | you choose a name for your contact when you put it in | 12:40 |
| r0kk3rz | like you would for an SMS contact | 12:41 |
| inte | well but you will have to exchange the hash? | 12:41 |
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| inte | which I find pretty complicated | 12:41 |
| chem|st | inte: camera | 12:41 |
| inte | would be cool to have some decentralised directory servers | 12:41 |
| inte | where you could register your nick | 12:42 |
| inte | i know it weak in terms of security | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | the hash isnt that big for ricochet | 12:42 |
| inte | but far more useable | 12:42 |
| chem|st | inte: I don't know the nick of about 99% of my IM contacts | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure whether theres a way to use multiple end points either | 12:42 |
| inte | yes, true again | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | so, different device = different id | 12:43 |
| chem|st | for some reason my centerIM got reset and I do not know a single person of my contactlist that is currently offline | 12:43 |
| * inte just downloaded richochet | 12:43 | |
| inte | currently connecting to tor | 12:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | ricochet:upvrwugej7yrsojp | 12:44 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: the different device/id thing is the same with tor | 12:44 |
| inte | tox | 12:44 |
| Nicd- | notice that IRC is not a secure medium to share your address with :) | 12:44 |
| inte | well its for testing I guess | 12:45 |
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| inte | no one uses ricochet anyways :) | 12:45 |
| inte | ...still connecting to tor | 12:45 |
| r0kk3rz | if i was serious about it i would generate a new id | 12:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | for actual use, rather than an exploratory "wtf is this thing anyway" | 12:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | and anyway, its less about total security and more about a cost amplification attack against the nsa et.al | 12:48 |
| chem|st | is there a 32bit built somewhere? | 12:48 |
| chem|st | I currently forced into 32bit winxp | 12:48 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: just added you | 12:52 |
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| Sail0r | hm nice http://thehackernews.com/2014/09/tripadvisors-viator-hit-by-massive-14_24.html | 13:05 |
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| Andy80 | I'm curious about today's announcement regarding Jolla and Italy :) | 13:08 |
| chem|st | Andy80: if there is no press release there is no announcement^^ link? | 13:09 |
| Andy80 | chem|st, https://www.facebook.com/JollaMobile/photos/a.551935021487007.138456.492319420781901/936227896391049/?type=1 | 13:09 |
| Andy80 | chem|st, and also https://www.facebook.com/JollaMobile/posts/935863523094153 | 13:10 |
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| chem|st | Andy80: "Unofficial Jolla Page" | 13:17 |
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| Sail0r | update coming? Store is broken | 15:30 |
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| Sail0r | ok only wifi broken | 15:31 |
| PeperJohnny | still up to date :< | 15:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | update cant be too far away | 16:04 |
| r0kk3rz | not a whole lot of september left | 16:04 |
| Sail0r | they are running out of september ;) | 16:09 |
| PeperJohnny | Well better late than never ;) | 16:09 |
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| TemeV | just wondering... did they specify which year? | 16:16 |
| TemeV | there is always another september | 16:16 |
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| PeperJohnny | Well let's hope every september ;) | 16:19 |
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| Sail0r | is jolla affected by CVE-2014-6271? | 16:22 |
| Sail0r | looks like it is | 16:23 |
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| stephg | yeah fix for that was just announced in centos | 16:23 |
| Sail0r | do you have a link? | 16:25 |
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| stephg | hm possibly not that, I have different bash fixes | 16:27 |
| stephg | sec | 16:27 |
| stephg | no | 16:27 |
| stephg | same one | 16:27 |
| stephg | https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-20 | 16:27 |
| stephg | no | 16:27 |
| stephg | https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-1293.html | 16:27 |
| stephg | that | 16:27 |
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| Sail0r | http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-September/020585.html | 16:28 |
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| stephg | yes | 16:28 |
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| stephg | interestingly all those fixes are for bash 4.x | 16:30 |
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| stephg | which Sailfish ootb doesn't have | 16:30 |
| Sail0r | but it's affected according to the test :x | 16:31 |
| stephg | no I lie, the RH fix does have 3.x fixes | 16:32 |
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| Sail0r | aaaand all servers up to date | 16:37 |
| Sail0r | thx to puppet | 16:37 |
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| stephg | no fixes yet afaik for debian or ubuntu | 16:46 |
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| Nav | stephg: I've just updated a wheezy box and that installed a bash update, a quick test shows its no longer vulnerable | 16:50 |
| Nav | So either it was patched, or it wasn't vulnerable anyway | 16:50 |
| stephg | good to know | 16:51 |
| Sail0r | test="() { echo Hello; }; echo affected" bash -c "" | 16:53 |
| Sail0r | test it yourself if you are affected | 16:53 |
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| sjtoik | oo fff. my loud speaker acts funny. there is some sort of connection problem with in | 18:21 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | OMG | 18:50 |
| Morpog_PC__ | kimmoli, you guys rock :D | 18:50 |
| Morpog_PC__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcVU_XrklA&feature=youtu.be | 18:50 |
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| phlixi | unfortunately the sound is not from the jolla | 19:19 |
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| sledges | kimmoli: letoh - awesome party with the other half;D | 19:29 |
| sledges | how about making it "dance" to what it hears through the mic? ;) | 19:29 |
| sledges | so your jolla could party even in a party house | 19:29 |
| sledges | or club | 19:29 |
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| stephg | \o/ half of amazon is going to reboot in the next 4 days | 19:42 |
| * stephg facepalm | 19:42 | |
| Stskeeps | that sounds fun | 19:42 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps: FSVO fun | 19:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | stephg: you work for amazon? | 19:46 |
| stephg | r0kk3rz: no, but I manage a couple of hundred boxes for various people that are all in AWS | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that does sound fun | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like it might be for the bash exploit | 19:49 |
| stephg | it's almost absolutely definitely because of it | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | couldnt they do some magi VM shuffling | 19:50 |
| r0kk3rz | ive certainly done things like that, but on a much smaller scale | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but i suppose the core image is going to need patching | 19:51 |
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| stephg | they don't do vmotion-esque things in AWS afaik, nor could they really because of the ephemeral storage; but we're getting waaay off topic now | 19:54 |
| stephg | so to bring us back: update? :P | 19:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | duke nukem forever will be released when its done | 20:39 |
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| stephg | being serious for a minute u9 slipped a little they said in the community meeting (if you'd not seen r0kk3rz) | 20:54 |
| * stephg will happily wait, it's ready when it's ready | 20:54 | |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i saw that, its a major update and its best to get it right | 20:55 |
| stephg | +1 | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | I really hope they manage to also ship the store update for multi-dependency support with the update | 20:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | shouldnt they be able to do that outside of an os update? | 21:00 |
| stephg | depends if there's any client-side changes:- fwiw even things like heartbleed got rolled up into updates rather than hotfixes | 21:02 |
| stephg | but yeah from what I remember it's not unheard of there to be store upgrades unrelated to updates | 21:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | they release updates so frequently that its easy to roll things together | 21:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i would have thought most of the changes would be isolated to the harbour backend and the store app | 21:05 |
| r0kk3rz | think i found another job for NielDK http://nethunter.com/ | 21:08 |
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| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: sure, it could be done outside of the update | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: but that just means it would be even more delayed than it is now :) | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, IMO the store ad its backend are seriously lagging compared to other stuff | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but theres probably a reason for that | 21:14 |
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| M4rtinK | and in comparison what BasilSemuonov did basically single-handedly with open repos, the store is IMO still pretty much a joke | 21:15 |
| r0kk3rz | i guess they're focussing on the core functionality, rather than the app ecosystem | 21:16 |
| stephg | well if paid app stuff surfaces in Q3 (which for some reason I have in my head as the roadmap)... | 21:16 |
| r0kk3rz | payment processing is always a pain though | 21:17 |
| stephg | all I mean is there's probably plenty going on underneath that we don't appreciate | 21:17 |
| M4rtinK | sure, core functionality is important, but many people judge a mobile platform by application availability | 21:18 |
| javispedro | except if you're apple | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | apple have both in spades though | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | while I don'T care about bullshit stats like number of apps, it bothers me if important application building blocks are basically banned from the store | 21:19 |
| javispedro | they didn't when they released the iphone.. | 21:19 |
| r0kk3rz | because they're obscenely rich and can do anything | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | and application developers are thus being separated from their potential users | 21:19 |
| r0kk3rz | admittedly the iphone was a big risk that worked for them | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | not to speak of other deficiencies the store has | 21:20 |
| stephg | M4rtinK: I don't disagree but I think it needs to be taken in context, i.e. it's a work in progress and features will come | 21:20 |
| r0kk3rz | everyone (including myself) laughed at the thought of aapl going head to head with nokia and blackberry | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK | just today I wanted to point out the many nice native apps Sailfish has (+ Android compatibility) and had link to OpenRepos as the Jolla store has no Web interface... | 21:21 |
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| M4rtinK | stephg: well, I really hope so | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i didnt know about openrepos when i bought my Jolla | 21:22 |
| r0kk3rz | and kept looking for a web interface for the app store, to see what was there | 21:22 |
| r0kk3rz | the whole purchase was a massive leap of faith | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | which im glad I did | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | I really want Jolla & Sailfish to succeed, that's why I'm pointing out these things, which I think are important for success :) | 21:23 |
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| M4rtinK | well, one has to support projects like this | 21:24 |
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| stephg | again I don't think anyone disagrees (I certainly don't); but I suppose it's a matter of resources and prioritisation | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | same thing with the new keyboard TOH - there are basically no alternatives | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | give me a desk and unlimited coffee at JollaHQ, resources can be fixed :P | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | and one would also like to prove people wrong, that people do want open mobile devices & mobile devices with a hardware keyboard :) | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: the fact you can buy slide out keyboards for iphones suggests there is a market | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | well, I don't work at/for JollaHQ, but we do have unlimited coffee :D | 21:26 |
| Aard | r0kk3rz: does the desk need to be at our hq, or is just shipping you coffee enough? :p | 21:27 |
| r0kk3rz | haha maybe | 21:27 |
| * Aard would pay for coffee out of my own pocket if I get free resources :p | 21:28 | |
| louisdk | I'm about to sync contacts and SMSes from my Jolla (will be sent in for repair) to an old Nokia 3710 bold. So far the feature "import to this (nokia) phone" has failed. Now i'm trying to sync them 0% still. | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | unfortunately im going to have to go back to australia soon, and get a real job | 21:30 |
| Aard | damn | 21:30 |
| Aard | but with enough coffee you can skip sleeping? | 21:30 |
| MoritzJT | louisdk: I havent tried it yet, but could try it with a 808PV | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | with enough coffee, I can sell coffee and still have enough left to drink | 21:30 |
| Aard | sure you're not mixing up coffee and cocaine? | 21:31 |
| stephg | right I've been summoned to bed | 21:31 |
| stephg | gnight folks, catch you in the morning | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | coffee cocaine, now theres an idea | 21:31 |
| louisdk | T | 21:32 |
| M4rtinK | I've seen an eshop where you can build caffeine in bulk | 21:32 |
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| M4rtinK | it was priced by the kg | 21:33 |
| M4rtinK | basically | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | but ive been doing pretty well with an air mattress to sleep on, and a free internet connection | 21:33 |
| louisdk | MoritzJT, I looks like the Nokia 3710 runs S40 and my mom had lock with exporting contacts to her Samsung Galaxy S2 (Android) when she retired it. | 21:33 |
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| MoritzJT | you got any alternatives? | 21:34 |
| louisdk | MoritzJT, I'll try with Contacts only and see if that will works. | 21:34 |
| louisdk | *work | 21:35 |
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| Aard | louisdk: in theory s40 runs syncml, and our contacts export works with that. in practise, we couldn't get our hands on a s40 model when we tested the contacts sync, and s40 users was not really such a big userbase we were expecting to cater for anyway | 21:36 |
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| louisdk | Aard, hmm maybe I should look at exporting contacts on my Jolla to a csv file. | 21:40 |
| raa700 | doesn't backup do that | 21:43 |
| Aard | louisdk: invoker --type=generic vcardconverter -e vcards.vcf should give you a file vcards.vcf containing all contacts as vcard | 21:44 |
| louisdk | Aard, thanks. Found it on together trough :) | 21:47 |
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| chem|st | I just tried new toys, I ordered an ultra slim qi-receiver for an S5 where the hardware would actually fit in the gap at sd and simcard slots, even that is too thick for a standard cover... how stupid is that... | 22:05 |
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| chem|st | I removed all extra sheets (thick sticky tape) from the receiver, so it was the blank circuit sheet with a coil+shield | 22:07 |
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