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| stephg | happy monday everyone | 07:48 |
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| SK_work | o/ stephg | 07:50 |
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| stephg | \o | 07:59 |
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| pdanek1 | Hello! | 08:45 |
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| pdanek1 | Which phone manufacturer is most controversial? | 08:47 |
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| chem|st | pdanek1: apple | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | apple | 08:48 |
| chem|st | ;) | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | no other phone manufacturer is so hated and loved | 08:50 |
| chem|st | from the same person! | 08:50 |
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| pdanek1 | hehe | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | I don't really understand a lot of the hate though | 08:57 |
| Nicd- | myself I'm indifferent towards iPhones. they have some great aspects but some shitty ones too. my wife loves them though | 08:57 |
| pdanek1 | I would probably never buy one, but I they're good. | 08:58 |
| pdanek1 | Just not for me. | 08:58 |
| chem|st | nice hardware, wrong very wrong software | 08:58 |
| pdanek1 | Well, the software just works. | 08:59 |
| chem|st | pdanek1: that is what people say, userforums speak a whole other story | 08:59 |
| pdanek1 | Right... I never owned iPhone. | 08:59 |
| pdanek1 | I just played with UI of Android and iOS and iOS always seemed better user experience. | 09:00 |
| iamtew | iOS is indeed better user experience I would say | 09:00 |
| iamtew | I owned and used an iPhone 4s for two years before getting my Jolla, and during the same time various Android phones from work (for work purpose) | 09:00 |
| chem|st | my father entered his pin wrong only once - it did not ask again - no cell anymore - he is screwed | 09:00 |
| leinir | the software just works, except when it doesn't | 09:01 |
| chem|st | lol | 09:01 |
| iamtew | 60% of the time, it works every time | 09:01 |
| pdanek1 | Jolla is taking different approach, and it may work when it's mature enough, but in current state, Sailfish can be huge pain sometimes. :D But I consider Sailfish still as beta. | 09:01 |
| iamtew | pdanek1: yes but also remember iOS and Android was not as smooth in the beginning | 09:01 |
| pdanek1 | So +1 for Sailfish considering their resources and that it's done from scratch. | 09:01 |
| pdanek1 | Yes. | 09:01 |
| iamtew | and how long has Sailfish been deployed with users? a year, maybe a bit less, right? | 09:02 |
| chem|st | pdanek1: yes, the release state was alpha, the stable release was beta, now we are waiting for 2.0 as stable, right? | 09:02 |
| iamtew | so they've done pretty damn well | 09:02 |
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| pdanek1 | Sailfish is my daily driver and sometimes I want to throw away the phone, in times when I have some serious business/call to do and my phone fails me. | 09:02 |
| pdanek1 | Then the other day, sitting in my couch and playing with it, I see the potential and like it. | 09:02 |
| chem|st | compared to apple and iphone 1, jolla is doing more than just fine | 09:03 |
| iamtew | I do still use my ipad2 quite a bit for casual browsing, reading emails, and such.. every time I pick it up I with I could run sailfish on it | 09:03 |
| iamtew | would be so nice | 09:03 |
| iamtew | or just Sailfish on a tablet, would be nice | 09:03 |
| iamtew | chem|st: remember when iPhone launched and there was no apps? Apple expected people to write fancy mobile web-pages :) | 09:04 |
| chem|st | I want a tablet with real linux on it with updates and stuff... this android iOS BS is getting on my nerves | 09:04 |
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| iamtew | yeah, it's a shame what happened with the Vivaldi tablet | 09:04 |
| iamtew | I've been reading a bit about the x64 Win8.1 tablets.. should be able to run standard linux on those I would assume. | 09:05 |
| iamtew | I've seen stories about the Dell tablets, people have had mixed success | 09:05 |
| pdanek1 | Look for Lenovo. | 09:06 |
| chem|st | I do not need a playstore with BS APPS 5.0 (in gas grade that is 99.99999% pure) | 09:06 |
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| suosaaski | iamtew: depends on the cpu: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/136276-intel-clover-trail-atom-chips-cannot-run-linux | 09:07 |
| chem|st | manufacturers are the limiting factor, closed drivers | 09:07 |
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| pdanek1 | Lenovo ThinkPad Helix looks good. | 09:07 |
| chem|st | was thinking about an 11" yoga, but then, no good graphics available to a "normal" price | 09:08 |
| suosaaski | the newer bay trails are a lot better in that regards, I might add... with sevelar android tablets running bay trail. | 09:08 |
| iamtew | pdanek1: yeah, except the price.. 1200 euro! | 09:09 |
| pdanek1 | iamtew: :D | 09:09 |
| pdanek1 | http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/thinkpad/thinkpad-helix/ | 09:09 |
| iamtew | for that I would just get a regular laptop | 09:09 |
| pdanek1 | starts at £1350 on UK site | 09:10 |
| iamtew | I was looking at the NL site | 09:10 |
| iamtew | since I'm in NL.. :) | 09:10 |
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| pdanek | I'm die hard ThinkPad user. | 09:11 |
| iamtew | I've been on Dell hardware for the last 6 years or so | 09:11 |
| iamtew | never had problems running on Linux on their laptops | 09:11 |
| iamtew | I've been looking at bit at this one, http://www.dell.com/us/p/dell-venue-11-pro/pd | 09:12 |
| iamtew | some guy managed to get Fedora running on it, https://www.happyassassin.net/2013/11/24/the-fedlet-revived-or-fedora-linux-on-a-dell-venue-8-pro-bay-trail/ | 09:12 |
| iamtew | also the tablet has a nice keyboard dock available, http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=332-2365&ref=meekosystems | 09:12 |
| iamtew | but in the end I will probably just save my money and get a good and powerful laptop :) | 09:13 |
| pdanek | They keyboard lacks track-point for me. :D | 09:13 |
| iamtew | also known as the IBM Nipple | 09:13 |
| iamtew | :P | 09:13 |
| pdanek | I quickly get angry when I have to use touchpad. | 09:13 |
| pdanek | I already developed special, positive Carpal tunnel syndrome customized for track-point usage. | 09:14 |
| iamtew | many many years ago my mother got a IBM desktop PC through her work (P2, 400MHz, long time ago) | 09:16 |
| iamtew | but the mouse it came with had one of those nipples, instead of a scroll wheel | 09:16 |
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| iamtew | it was awesome, scroll in any direction | 09:16 |
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| iamtew | and it's strange I haven't seen mouses with that since then | 09:16 |
| AL13N_work | ye gods | 09:17 |
| iamtew | and it's just so much better, instead of rolling a wheel around, I can just use my middle-finger and apply a bit of pressure | 09:17 |
| pdanek | http://youtu.be/UXa0XzNvuZU | 09:17 |
| AL13N_work | iamtew: if someone walked in just then, .... | 09:17 |
| iamtew | AL13N_work: what do you mean? | 09:18 |
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| pdanek | Apple store reminds me of fascist state run by Stalin. | 09:19 |
| pdanek | :D | 09:19 |
| iamtew | https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/bibuxton/buxtoncollection/a/m/IMG_0405.png | 09:19 |
| iamtew | one of those | 09:19 |
| iamtew | awesome | 09:19 |
| iamtew | https://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/bibuxton/buxtoncollection/detail.aspx?id=120 | 09:20 |
| SK_work | ha, trackpoint <3 | 09:23 |
| SK_work | I'm missing this in the office | 09:23 |
| SK_work | need one instead of lifting my and and grab the mouse | 09:23 |
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| minimec | iamtew: Lenovo still produce them it seems... --> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/itemdetails/31P7405/460/0E80436C80A748E6AA76791FC42C9CA3 | 09:32 |
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| stephg | -k | 09:37 |
| SK_work | minimec: looks like an optical tracker | 09:37 |
| SK_work | does it works as nicely as the trackpoint ? | 09:37 |
| iamtew | minimec: cool, thanks | 09:37 |
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| minimec | SK_work: iamtew: Yeah... They are optical and would also be too small for my hands. I use a Rochat Kone+. But I could by these Scrollpoint mices for about 10EUR here. That could be worth a try... | 09:41 |
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| ShadowJK | What does red blinking mean | 11:36 |
| ShadowJK | followed by green blinking? | 11:36 |
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| tadzik | you now have the right of way | 11:38 |
| merlin1991 | shouldn't the green be steady then? :D | 11:39 |
| Raim | ShadowJK: https://together.jolla.com/question/30230/wiki-meanings-of-notification-led-blink-codes/ | 11:40 |
| ShadowJK | ta | 11:42 |
| SK_work | ShadowJK: red blinking: homescreen having trouble turning off (phone is heavily loaded ?) green: homescreen having trouble turning on | 11:43 |
| ShadowJK | Probably | 11:43 |
| ShadowJK | Just noticed swap use was at 512M | 11:43 |
| ShadowJK | I should've closed browser before trying to update email :) | 11:43 |
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| AL13N_work | wouldn't it be nice if instead of OOM, to suspend apps? | 11:45 |
| AL13N_work | except i don't know if this is feasable | 11:45 |
| AL13N_work | and i've never hit the limit yet | 11:45 |
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| lainwir3d | hiya | 11:48 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | 一二三 | 11:53 |
| TMavica_Jolla | 屌你老母 | 11:54 |
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| coderus | мир дрерь мяч | 12:01 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | lol | 12:08 |
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| kimmoli | is this a "positive" badge? Congratulations, you have received a badge 'Necromancer' | 12:33 |
| tadzik | wait until you get The Lich King | 12:34 |
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| AL13N_work | kimmoli: haha, necromancer | 12:38 |
| AL13N_work | isn't that a question thread where noone answered it in 30days or something? | 12:39 |
| kimmoli | yes, i'm talking with dead posts | 12:40 |
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| kimmoli | lens-scratching... https://together.jolla.com/question/48895/camera-lens-replacement/#post-id-56593 | 12:40 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah ive got a few necro badges | 12:42 |
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| coderus | mine badges: http://i.imgur.com/2FUgtkC.png | 12:55 |
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| clau | has anyone else noticed that sometimes when an xmpp chat is in the background and a new message arrives, it doesn't appear in the chat window, although there's a notification for it? | 14:15 |
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| chem|st | clau: kind of, messages seems to hang sometimes | 14:16 |
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| clau | chem|st: any clue if the devs are aware of it? I've seen it for a long time now, but keep forgetting to report it. | 14:19 |
| chem|st | clau: is there a tjc about it? | 14:23 |
| clau | I haven't found one, but tbh it's kind of hard to find anything there anymore | 14:25 |
| clau | I'll give it a try again in the afternoon | 14:25 |
| chem|st | just tried, cannot find anything | 14:26 |
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| chem|st | clau: https://together.jolla.com/question/56617/bug-conversation-does-not-update-on-incoming/ | 14:29 |
| chem|st | add what you like | 14:29 |
| chem|st | uh that on will turn out to be pretty bad https://together.jolla.com/question/56603/bug-jolla-cant-switch-directly-from-2g-to-4g-lte/ | 14:31 |
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| chem|st | kimmoli: nice picz in the scratched lens thread, have you tried a display polishing kit yet? | 14:36 |
| clau | for 56617, the description looks correct to me | 14:36 |
| chem|st | clau: ta | 14:36 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: another idea could be to glue a scratchresistent filter foil/glass on top, if properly applied the scratches will be gone + you have a scratchresistant top layer... | 14:39 |
| Teme | hmm, i have somehow obtained even more scratches on my Jolla's screen :| | 14:43 |
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| Teme | a few months ago two long scratches appeared out of nowehere, i don't recall treating it badly then | 14:43 |
| Teme | and now a bunch of really small ones below them | 14:43 |
| Teme | no idea what could cause that.... and no, i don't carry my diamonds loosely in my pockets as some joker suggested :P | 14:44 |
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| chem|st | Teme: anything metal or harder than the coating will scratch it, even a gum-wrap-paper will scratch it | 14:51 |
| chem|st | iirc it is an SiOC coat so anything sand'ish will scratch it | 14:52 |
| Teme | yeah well i know that anything harder will do so.. just thought the coating is quite a bit harder than most everyday things in your pockets | 14:52 |
| Teme | and certainly not all metals will scratch it? | 14:52 |
| chem|st | I'd say some metals won't | 14:53 |
| Teme | for example tin and brass should be quite soft? | 14:53 |
| Teme | i'd assume keys for example are made from some mixture and should not be a threat | 14:54 |
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| Teme | and a gum wrapper... i don't buy that :d | 14:55 |
| Teme | they are tin-foil or something? | 14:55 |
| chem|st | I wont try, some of my keys do not have any wear on them... so they are pretty hard | 14:55 |
| Teme | well as a rule i only put my phone in a pocket and nothing else | 14:56 |
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| chem|st | Teme: I have seen an N8 after an evening in the pocket next to a gum-wrap... not funny | 14:56 |
| Teme | so that has me even more baffled what i could have had there... although it's possible it got scratched outside of a pocket | 14:56 |
| Teme | chem|st: ok, i'll take extra care with that :) | 14:57 |
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| chem|st | it was <5days old and the guy was pretty pissed | 14:57 |
| chem|st | Teme: I never try what scratches my 400eur phone, so I cannot tell what it is, but I work in that field (coatings and stuff) and I do not believe any commercials unless I was involved, tried it or already know their process applied | 15:01 |
| kimmoli | chem|st: no, i havent any "tv-shop" stuff on the camera lens | 15:02 |
| kimmoli | havent tried... | 15:02 |
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| faenil | kimmoli: thread link? | 15:03 |
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| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/48895/camera-lens-replacement/ | 15:03 |
| faenil | I have scratches on my camera lens as well :( and on screen as well (not big ones, anyway) and I also keep it in one special pocket | 15:03 |
| kimmoli | faenil: ^ | 15:03 |
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| kimmoli | i take tomorrow one more pic of AR coating | 15:04 |
| faenil | kimmoli: thanks | 15:04 |
| kimmoli | but now, some plasma.... cya | 15:04 |
| chem|st | I had "something" on my tshirt, not visible though and pulled my phone over my chest, big fat scratch across the screen... no idea what it was as I was on vacation - but it was the only occassion I scratched that screen (back then) and I had it with my keys in a bag and everything | 15:06 |
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| pahartik | chem|st: I do not like to use mobile device touch screens without protective film on top | 15:22 |
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| chem|st | pahartik: I do not like to use mobile device touch screens with protective film on top | 15:27 |
| chem|st | the one I scratched wasn't a touchscreen | 15:27 |
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| pahartik | chem|st: My "Jolla Mobile" had factory installed protective film for ~8 months before suitable device-specific film appeared at local stores | 15:30 |
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| chem|st | pahartik: I kept the film on it as well, but at some point I was scared that all the holes in it come from something that can actually hurt the screen if stuck beneath the film, so I removed it | 15:33 |
| Morpog_PC | erm you guys do realize that there were protective films on ebay about two weeks after launch? | 15:33 |
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| pahartik | Morpog_PC: Well, I was not in extreme hurry and like local stores... | 15:37 |
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| Andy80 | I'm trying to use the official WhatsApp app (the Android one) on Jolla, but the contacts list is empty... I try to do a Refresh on new message menu, but it says it has refreshed and nothing happens | 16:15 |
| Andy80 | how can I get my contacts appearing? | 16:15 |
| faenil | Andy80: probably worth asking this in the early morning when the australians are online :p | 16:17 |
| Morpog_PC | I think I remember that google imported contacts don't work there | 16:17 |
| Morpog_PC | try to manually add a contact in phonebook and check if that appears | 16:17 |
| Morpog_PC | or better: scre android whatsapp and use mitäkuuluu | 16:18 |
| Morpog_PC | screw* | 16:18 |
| Andy80 | Morpog_PC, I've some contacts in Contacts android app... but it's not a complete list... and none of them appear | 16:18 |
| Morpog_PC | i meant jolla phonebook | 16:18 |
| Andy80 | Morpog_PC, I was doing it.... when I discovered Mitakuuluu was stuck on 140% CPU.... | 16:18 |
| Morpog_PC | Andy80, that only happens rarely | 16:19 |
| Morpog_PC | and you always notice it when your device is hot :D | 16:19 |
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| Morpog_PC | unfortunately jolla doesn't have time or care about the bug to help coderus fix it | 16:20 |
| Morpog_PC | https://together.jolla.com/question/51549/could-jolla-help-fixing-a-bug-in-1-sailfishos-app/ | 16:20 |
| Andy80 | Morpog_PC, it's not rare... it's costant :( | 16:20 |
| Morpog_PC | Andy80, well, I get it once a week here, maybe you need to alter your reconnect settings | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | Morpog_PC, I've quitted it, launched it again and top shows me at least 60% for mitakuluu | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | and 43% for contactsd | 16:21 |
| Morpog_PC | Did you swipe down to close? | 16:21 |
| Morpog_PC | because then the daemon is still running | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | no I chose "Logout and quit) | 16:21 |
| Morpog_PC | you need to use quit from pulley menu | 16:21 |
| Morpog_PC | sounds strange | 16:22 |
| Morpog_PC | never happened here, it's always fine after a quit | 16:22 |
| Morpog_PC | i got keep connection alive enabled, reconnect time to 4 minutes and reconnect tries set to 30 | 16:24 |
| Andy80 | I've 5 minutes reconnect time and 20 tries | 16:27 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe contactsd is here the problem for you | 16:28 |
| Andy80 | now contactsd and mitakuluu alternate between 90 and 95% cpu | 16:28 |
| Andy80 | what do you suggest me to try? | 16:28 |
| Morpog_PC | get rid of contacts inside android | 16:28 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe contactsd gets mad because of it | 16:28 |
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| chem|st | very good idea for Jolla2 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nophone-usa/nophone-0 | 16:30 |
| chem|st | no need to get the software out of beta stage and they for sure wont have hardware issues! | 16:31 |
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| tadzik | hrm, does sailfish have any kind of low battery notification? | 20:14 |
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| kimmoli | at 10% it makes some noise | 20:15 |
| Bawal_ | if the battery drops to 10% or under the led starts blinking and a beep is played every once in a while | 20:15 |
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| Andy80 | coderus, hi, do you know why mitakuuluu keeps using 95% CPU always? I had to "Disconnect and Quit" the app to stop it. I tried another couple of times to start it but still the same problem.. and it drains battery | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | Andy80: I remember there is a page for this issue on together | 20:18 |
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| Andy80 | M4rtinK, do you remember the link? | 20:21 |
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| tadzik | hm, I'll try to pay attention when it goes down again and see if it works | 20:26 |
| tadzik | it's the second time now when I get an email "hey, your phone's dead" | 20:26 |
| tadzik | for gods know how long | 20:26 |
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| Iltsu | Hi | 20:28 |
| Iltsu | Just noticed that I can't call or answer calls, ringtone rings though | 20:28 |
| Iltsu | that "Phone" app also crashes when trying to start it from UI | 20:29 |
| Andy80 | M4rtinK, found something... basically he says to disable the "keep alive" | 20:29 |
| Iltsu | what is that "phone" app really called so I can call it from terminal and mayby find reason why it crashes | 20:30 |
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| M4rtinK | Andy80: found it: https://together.jolla.com/question/51549/could-jolla-help-fixing-a-bug-in-1-sailfishos-app/ | 20:32 |
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| M4rtinK | don't actually use it, so I'm not sure how relevant that is | 20:32 |
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| chem|st | Iltsu: voicecall-ui? | 20:44 |
| chem|st | Iltsu: it is more like a 3in1 UI | 20:44 |
| Iltsu | hmmm | 20:45 |
| Iltsu | http://pastebin.com/3q2tQA9Z | 20:45 |
| Iltsu | also I can't call through contacts | 20:46 |
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| Nicd- | that sounds very broken | 20:47 |
| chem|st | Iltsu: is your internal storage OK? | 20:48 |
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| Iltsu | I hope so? | 20:50 |
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| Iltsu | everything else works as expected | 20:50 |
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| Iltsu | reinstalled voicecall-ui-jolla and now it works again | 20:57 |
| Iltsu | thanks for pointing out right app name:) | 20:58 |
| chem|st | seems like it got interrupted while writing the logs | 20:58 |
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| Iltsu | hmmm | 20:58 |
| chem|st | or crashed and the files got scrambled | 20:58 |
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| coderus | Andy80: i have no idea | 21:05 |
| coderus | and everyone please stop spamming my inbox with cpu bug logfiles | 21:05 |
| coderus | logfiles are useless with cpu bug, ok? | 21:06 |
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| Iltsu | chem|st, I think thats the most likely scenario | 21:09 |
| Iltsu | last one | 21:09 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: what about using a watchdog ? :) | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | it could periodically check CPU usage and kill the mitakuuluu process if needed :) | 21:12 |
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| Andy80 | coderus, I haven't sent you anything... | 21:16 |
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| Andy80 | coderus, by the way I don't think people send you logs with the intent of spamming.... they just want to provide informations to help you fix the bug | 21:19 |
| coderus | Andy80: by the way you didnt understood my message | 21:23 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: lol | 21:23 |
| coderus | such solution! | 21:23 |
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| M4rtinK | very robust! | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | much hack! | 21:26 |
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| M4rtinK | coderus: I propose to call it "watchdoge" ! :D | 21:30 |
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| Morpog_PC | :D | 21:41 |
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| raa700 | =) | 21:48 |
| kimmoli | and to make everyone happy, add settings option to change it to "Grumpy Cat" | 21:50 |
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