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| coderus | Hello guys | 08:37 |
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| coderus | anyone can resell jolla with payment by instalment? | 08:38 |
| coderus | my gf wants jolla too | 08:38 |
| coderus | but i cant pay whole amount | 08:38 |
| SK_work | cybette: ^ | 08:43 |
| pp_ | dna will sell you one for 9,65e/month :-) but you'd probably have to live here | 08:44 |
| cybette | coderus: not officially through the Jolla shop at least, but if you can find someone willing to work something out with you... | 08:50 |
| coderus | cybette: that exactly what i'm trying to do :) | 08:51 |
| ruskie | or you know... take out a loan with the bank for pay by installments... you'll get the money upfront and pay it back to the bank | 08:52 |
| coderus | ruskie: i dont want to pay % ;) | 08:52 |
| pp_ | only your operator will give you that kind of deal ;) | 08:53 |
| ruskie | well some retailers offer 0% interest as well | 08:53 |
| pp_ | and then they'll just get their % from locking you in | 08:53 |
| ruskie | but you still have the initial extra cost | 08:53 |
| ruskie | also you can try and get a better loan deal with the bank | 08:53 |
| coderus | i'm just searching for a people who can help or have Jolla to sell and can give it by instalment :) | 08:54 |
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| Naranek | btw have you thought about making a custom other half only available for app developers? | 10:16 |
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| coderus | Naranek: kimmoli making toh proto for devs, you can order some | 10:19 |
| suy | Naranek: custom as in custom color to "reward" developers? or custom features? | 10:19 |
| Naranek | suy: I was thinking more like a reward similar to the First One covers, but anything goes :D | 10:22 |
| Teme | somebody should start producing a toh that has a holder of some sort for a usb micro-usb thingy | 10:28 |
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| Teme | ... for those days that i forgot to plug in the charger at night and am at work without a cable | 10:28 |
| Teme | some sort of super flat cable and connectors that the toh has a cut-open slit for :) | 10:29 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 10:33 |
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| pp_ | you could order 20 cables from china at 1.50e each, of which 5 will be broken and the rest you can spread around everywhere you go | 10:34 |
| coderus | pp_: i ordered many cables from china and nothing was broken :) | 10:36 |
| pp_ | my order was 2/3 working (and I'm not sure if one is only good for charging, not data) :-) | 10:36 |
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| coderus | last time i ordered this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/371027512862?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT | 10:39 |
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| Teme | pp_: that will be my next strategy i guess :p | 11:01 |
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| eyea_UK_ | jolla )0!1@ joy | 11:14 |
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| Dicee | does jolla have netflix app? :P | 11:15 |
| pp_ | android one might work if you're lucky | 11:16 |
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| pp_ | native & silverlight (isn't it so far?) may not be very likely to ever work :-) | 11:16 |
| Dicee | ok | 11:17 |
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| Dicee | is there possible to automaticaly link the same names in contac list? | 11:45 |
| tango_ | I'm going to ask for the oddest feature request ever: tether wifi over usb | 11:48 |
| pp_ | iptables and you're good to go | 11:49 |
| entil | doesn't netflix stream drm-html5-video now? there was this thing that you could watch netflix natively under linux, with chrome, if you identify yourself as a windows chrome user, because they're trialing that on windows chrome | 11:50 |
| entil | and all chrome implements the codec | 11:50 |
| entil | yay for all chrome | 11:50 |
| pp_ | safari on os x beta, only? | 11:50 |
| pp_ | (I understood, could be wrong) | 11:50 |
| Dicee | well i checket the netflix app and it worked | 11:51 |
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| Dicee | atleast once :D lets see how it works when i realy need it :D | 11:51 |
| entil | the first google hit sucks because it's tldr and ubuntu, but the second hit http://techreport.com/news/26897/new-chrome-beta-enables-html5-netflix-on-linux | 11:51 |
| entil | so yes, the linux chrome does support EME html5, but you need to trick netflix (for now) to get access | 11:52 |
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| Dicee | how about the link in contacts... is there possible to do it automaticly or do i need to do it manualy ? | 11:54 |
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| tadzik | I don't know of any automatic way | 11:55 |
| Dicee | ok | 11:56 |
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| tango_ | pp_: I know, that's what I did, but some UI for it would have been nicer | 12:04 |
| tango_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/55118/feature-request-share-wifi-connection-over-usb/ <- here it is | 12:04 |
| pp_ | connman dbus love might actually do the trick too | 12:05 |
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| Yaniel | coderus: what was the status of the activation thing with mitakuuluu? | 12:31 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: explain | 12:36 |
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| coderus | tango_: usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config | 12:48 |
| coderus | just install this package and reboot | 12:48 |
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| coderus | and you will have "Connection sharing" option in usb modes | 12:49 |
| coderus | :D | 12:49 |
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| Yaniel | wasn't there something when changing phones | 13:02 |
| Shinryuu | å | 13:02 |
| Yaniel | that you have to "activate" it first | 13:02 |
| coderus | Yaniel: this? http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/general/21009863 | 13:03 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 13:09 |
| coderus | Yaniel: so, what do you want? | 13:16 |
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| bluboxthief | Hi all. | 13:20 |
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| bluboxthief | cybette: Are you there? Have you got a moment a few minutes? | 13:22 |
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| cybette | bluboxthief: hi, wassup? | 13:25 |
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| Teme | hmm, has anyone else noticed that the last 20% of Jolla's battery drain significantly faster than for example 100%->80% ? | 13:40 |
| Teme | or is it purely psychological since the end times are at hand :P | 13:41 |
| Teme | i mean after a typical day i have my Jolla in the morning at 100%, and when i come back from work it's about 70-80% | 13:41 |
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| Teme | today i forgot to put in on charger so it had been off charger for 24h and at 37%, and ran out already at lunch break around 1300 | 13:42 |
| Teme | and by today i mean last night | 13:42 |
| Teme | any thoughts / data? | 13:43 |
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| Nicd- | I have noticed that for many devices | 13:45 |
| TemeV | it's totally possible that battery monitor is not perfectly calibrated | 13:45 |
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| Nicd- | my old Nokias used to have 5/5 battery for a long time, then 4-1 went really quick | 13:45 |
| TemeV | i'd guess it's not easy task to make that meter work linearily | 13:46 |
| Teme | should be compensated in software then to make it linear :P | 13:46 |
| Teme | very annoying, i was considering do i need to take a charger with me today and thought that i'll be fine with 35%+ since usually during the day i use less | 13:47 |
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| TemeV | yes of course, but that might not be so simple either :) | 13:48 |
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| Teme | we are talking about a handheld dual-core computer with cellular capabilities and gigabytes of storage so i dunno if simple is a requirement to implement something.. but this might not be worth the effort :) | 13:58 |
| Teme | i just got to learn to plug in the charger and/or buy a cable for work | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | anyway, battery meters are inaccurate | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | my macbook requires occasional recalibration too | 13:59 |
| Nicd- | dunno how it's done for jolla but for a macbook it's: charge to full, use to empty until computer shuts down, let stay without charger for 5 hours, connect charger and charge back to full | 13:59 |
| Teme | i am currently doing that actually :) | 14:00 |
| kimmoli | ohms law | 14:04 |
| Teme | PUIMURI | 14:06 |
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| phdeswer | TemeV: Nicd- : Actually Nokia did this rapid discharing display on purpose. It would show 5 bars until 50% and then the rest would decrease more quickly. Actually there are car manufacturers that do similar things on their fuel gauges (to get people to stop at a gas station quicker) | 14:12 |
| TemeV | phdeswer: how does that make one refuel quicker? I would do just the opposite if that was the goal | 14:13 |
| Teme | wat | 14:13 |
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| phdeswer | TemeV: the gauge indicator would move quicker to empty, which puts psychological pressure on the driver as it is more obvious he/she is running out of gas. | 14:14 |
| TemeV | ok... interesting | 14:14 |
| phdeswer | Seems to help *mentally challenged* people to actually get gas on time and not run out. | 14:14 |
| Teme | cool | 14:15 |
| phdeswer | In the Nokia case they did it to keep people from starting to charge their phones too soon and give the illusion of longer battery life | 14:15 |
| Teme | i have the same theory, except when it comes to the very last 10% and the "gas light" | 14:15 |
| Teme | those seem to last way longer than the manual states | 14:15 |
| Teme | (typically 50km in Europe, right?) | 14:16 |
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| TemeV | I thought that people observe the status of the gauge, not how fast it changes. But that's just me :) | 14:16 |
| TemeV | Teme: I think manufacturers tell how much fuel there is left when the light is lit | 14:16 |
| TemeV | In my previous car it was 8 liters | 14:17 |
| phdeswer | TemeV: smart people yes, and they also seem to be able to make reasonable decisions based on that. Unfortunately a lot of people on this planet do not seem that gifted if you have to go by the car manufacturer experiences. | 14:17 |
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| Teme | i've understood it's some sort of standard-y thing, where it should light when you can still complete 50 km with the vehicle, since different cars have different fuel economy | 14:17 |
| TemeV | yeah. Such a shame they have to mess up fuel gauge because of stupid people :p | 14:18 |
| Teme | i demand linear gauges made available for us smart people! | 14:18 |
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| TemeV | Teme: might be there is some minimum for that. For my previous car it was around 100km on high way | 14:19 |
| TemeV | depends of course where and how you drive | 14:19 |
| Teme | yeah | 14:19 |
| TemeV | I haven't even checked how it is in my current car | 14:19 |
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| Teme | there shouldn't even be any need | 14:20 |
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| TemeV | I'm not even sure if I've seen the light go on. Maybe I should try once to make sure it works :) | 14:20 |
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| TemeV | Oh, now I remember. I've seen it once. It also started to beep really annoyingly, so it really forces you to refuel | 14:23 |
| TemeV | beep every 5 min or something | 14:23 |
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| tango_ | coderus: it also allows sharing the wlan via usb? nifty | 16:02 |
| tango_ | I thought it was just for tethering | 16:02 |
| tango_ | (or sharing the mobile via usb) | 16:02 |
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| coderus | tango_: yup, only mobile | 16:03 |
| coderus | for wlan use script | 16:03 |
| coderus | http://paste.kde.org/p2rlhgma5 | 16:03 |
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| coderus | ./forward_script wlan0 rndis0 | 16:03 |
| tango_ | coderus: yeah, I wrote something like that myself | 16:03 |
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| tango_ | the feature request was to have it as a UI | 16:04 |
| coderus | tango_: you can patch usb-moded and add your action with wlan instead of rmnet easily | 16:04 |
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| coderus | https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded | 16:04 |
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| tango_ | coderus: so I could send a patch for https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded ? | 16:04 |
| tango_ | lol | 16:04 |
| coderus | yes | 16:05 |
| tango_ | I'll look into that, thanks | 16:05 |
| coderus | all existing actions are here | 16:05 |
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| tango_ | hm does that thing an UI? | 16:06 |
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| coderus | tango_: in lipstick | 16:14 |
| coderus | easier is just replace some available action to your | 16:14 |
| coderus | to apply different usb-moded action | 16:15 |
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| keithzg | Arghh how in the world do I get tracker to actually index my music on my sdcard? It seems to just steadfastly refuse. | 16:34 |
| keithzg | Didn't use to, but as of the current Sailfish version it just won't do it. | 16:35 |
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| keithzg | Or more specifically, everything on the sdcard shows up as unknown artist, unknown album, and in place of song title it lists the filename. | 16:37 |
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| keithzg | If the Media app allowed browsing by folders that'd be quasi-workable, but as is . . . | 16:37 |
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| keithzg | If I try an manually tell it to index a file using --index-file, I just get errors like "(tracker-control:2537): Tracker-CRITICAL **: Could not create proxy on the D-Bus session bus, Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Applications: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs exited with status 1" | 16:39 |
| Yaniel | coderus: registration code via sms got me htto_error_99 or so | 16:40 |
| keithzg | ...after which it, with blissful ignorance, immediately reports "(Re)indexing file was successful" | 16:40 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: or so or what? :) | 16:47 |
| coderus | Yaniel: i need logfile :) | 16:47 |
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| Yaniel | that might take a while, no pc available atm | 16:48 |
| Yaniel | I'll see abut it later | 16:49 |
| coderus | Yaniel: cd /tmp | 16:52 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: zip mitakuuluu2log.zip mitakuuluu2.log | 16:52 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: cp mitakuuluu2log.zip /home/nemo/Downloads | 16:52 |
| coderus | create email then and attach zip file :) | 16:52 |
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| Yaniel | hmm sounds better | 16:58 |
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| Yaniel | email address? | 17:01 |
| coderus | coderusinbox@gmail.com | 17:02 |
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| Yaniel | oh except that jollas email client does not support attaching zip filesit seems | 17:05 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: ah, copy it to /home/nemo/Documents to attach | 17:08 |
| javispedro | keithzg, but is your SD card special in any way? | 17:08 |
| javispedro | keithzg, or have you changed the way it is mounted? or the mountpoint? | 17:08 |
| Yaniel | nope | 17:09 |
| Yaniel | "copy documents to the device" | 17:09 |
| coderus | Yaniel: ? | 17:10 |
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| coderus | open Email - pulldown menu - compose - click ... - attach | 17:10 |
| Yaniel | nope | 17:11 |
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| Yaniel | anyway, what kind of line would be relevant? | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | network error: 99? | 17:12 |
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| keithzg | javispedro: Nothing special at all, just a stock fat32 sdcard being mounted automatically with no intervention on my part. And it all indexed fine before the last system upgrade, I swear :( | 17:13 |
| coderus | Yaniel: nope what?? :D | 17:13 |
| coderus | cd /tmp | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | doesn't show any files | 17:13 |
| coderus | cp mitakuuluu2log.zip /home/nemo/Documents | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | I zipped the log and copied it over | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | but it doesn't show | 17:14 |
| coderus | Yaniel: in email attach? | 17:14 |
| Yaniel | there | 17:14 |
| Yaniel | attach->documents->"copy files to device" | 17:14 |
| coderus | worksforme :D | 17:15 |
| Yaniel | whatever | 17:16 |
| Yaniel | any ideas what could be wrong? or should I just try the other registration method | 17:16 |
| keithzg | javispedro: Currently backing up the contents, then I'm going to try reformatting (hell, might write an entirely new partition table) and copying them back over. Should I consider using something other than fat32? It *is* a rather fragile filesystem, I've certainly experienced weirder things over the years that turned out to be FAT errors . . . | 17:17 |
| javispedro | not really | 17:17 |
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| keithzg | So I can't just shake my fist in the general direction of Redmond? Drat ;) | 17:19 |
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| stephg | keithzg: do you need computer compatability for the sdcard? | 17:19 |
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| stephg | (if not, or you're only ever going to use it with linux I'd say ext4 or btrfs if you want to live dangerously) | 17:19 |
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| keithzg | stephg: Naw, not really. And if I was ever going to put it in a computer it'd only be Linux. I *do* like to live dangerously, but consdiering I'm already trying to track down why this issue is occurring, probably adding btrfs to the mix would be a bad plan ;) | 17:20 |
| tbr | OK, I'm not amused, not the slightest bit. Apparently my device decided to go into a "permanently locked" state, without me doing anything. | 17:20 |
| coderus | Yaniel: what is the strange jolla-hacks package? :D | 17:20 |
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| w00t | tbr: symptoms? | 17:20 |
| SK_work | coderus: try | 17:21 |
| tbr | w00t: device says "Permanently locked" and I can't unlock it | 17:21 |
| w00t | tbr: mind taking a photo? | 17:21 |
| tbr | sure, coming up | 17:21 |
| coderus | SK_work: it contains only /usr/bin/jolla-hacks | 17:21 |
| coderus | which is script with shebang line only :D | 17:21 |
| SK_work | tbr: did you set a max number of trials ? | 17:21 |
| SK_work | coderus: woow, that's a pretty dangerous hack | 17:22 |
| SK_work | you know what, I think there are some jolla apps that check if this file exists | 17:22 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: try rename it to mitakuuluu2log.doc or so | 17:22 |
| SK_work | and adapt their behaviour | 17:22 |
| coderus | i'll rename when receive | 17:22 |
| SK_work | coderus: for example, there are reference of "demomode" in sailfish silica | 17:22 |
| w00t | coderus: hacks was where various small stupid stuff was worked around until there was a better place to do it / it was done properly | 17:23 |
| tbr | SK_work: yes, it was set to 10 times. I most certainly did not try to unlock it 10 times and it was never accessible to a third party. | 17:23 |
| SK_work | tbr: pockt ? | 17:23 |
| SK_work | got this on my N950 | 17:23 |
| tbr | SK_work: that's what the proximity sensor is for? | 17:23 |
| SK_work | 10 times, tried to dial some wrong code in the pocket, and then, reformatted :( | 17:23 |
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| w00t | I suppose I should say "is", not "was", since I imagine it'll get used again sometime :) | 17:23 |
| SK_work | tbr: dunno | 17:24 |
| coderus | w00t: i know what hack means :D | 17:25 |
| Yaniel | coderus: got it and sent | 17:25 |
| coderus | Yaniel: fine :) | 17:25 |
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| tbr | w00t: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111101795166699165422/posts/bhgVx6tJVLQ | 17:26 |
| coderus | Yaniel: it's UnknownNetworkError | 17:27 |
| w00t | Jonni: ^ can you help tbr do some diagnostics/whatever perhaps | 17:27 |
| coderus | Yaniel: it was more likely registered but disconnected | 17:27 |
| coderus | Yaniel: you must write and rememner same salt while registering | 17:28 |
| coderus | to register next time without password | 17:28 |
| coderus | Yaniel: now you can use voice registration probably | 17:28 |
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| Jonni | tbr: if you known your lockcode and if your able to provide me shell access, for example reverse ssh pipe to recovery mode telnet port, I should be able to help you :) | 17:33 |
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| tbr | Jonni: yes, other options are that we have a coffee tomorrow at your office. | 17:34 |
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| tbr | I'd very much like to know how this happened | 17:34 |
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| Jonni | tbr: usually it should never happen, unless proximity sensor fails in pocket and you are able to press enter 10 times. | 17:36 |
| coderus | it's why i set unlimited | 17:37 |
| coderus | because my pocket is very responsive and phone thinks it's actually my hand :D | 17:37 |
| tbr | Jonni: yeah, I'm trying to think how this could have happened. What if lipstick restarts? does it come up even if proximity is covered? | 17:37 |
| Jonni | tbr: but yes, I'm in tampere office tomorrow if your not able to create ssh pipe | 17:37 |
| coderus | tbr: yes, lipstick restart unlocking screen. | 17:38 |
| tbr | Jonni: I could, but I wouldn't mind visiting you guys again, it's been a few months since I was there. | 17:38 |
| coderus | and come with "enter pin:" screen | 17:38 |
| tbr | Jonni: I'm pondering if there should be something like that after n consecutive wrong entries it does an "intermediate lock" that requires something more elaborate, like rebooting your device. | 17:39 |
| Jonni | tbr: lipstick restart does wake up the lock screen, but it doesnt increase the failed counter. | 17:39 |
| coderus | probably "ENter pin" screen should be hidden if proximity covered? | 17:40 |
| tbr | Jonni: yes, but if lipstick fails while it's in my pocket, I then have a turned on screen and my butt-chee happily pressing enter | 17:40 |
| Jonni | tbr: but yes, if lipstick happens to crash, then its more likely to misbeheave in pocket | 17:40 |
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| tbr | It's not an urgent thing. But I would consider this as an improvement feature. | 17:40 |
| Jonni | coderus: well keyevents are not triggered when proximity is covered, so you cannot enter pin or press confirm | 17:41 |
| coderus | or have same behaviour as lockscreen. means faster locking screen back if unused | 17:41 |
| tbr | IIRC other phones did similar things, but I can't remember which ones | 17:41 |
| Jonni | but some pockets might be loose :) | 17:41 |
| tbr | This would also fail the "toddler test" | 17:42 |
| coderus | like my own pocket :D | 17:42 |
| tbr | shirt pockets are notorious for waking up the screen | 17:42 |
| coderus | it like writing sms and calling | 17:42 |
| coderus | even having phone and messages inside folders | 17:42 |
| coderus | my pocket always opening it and starting writing texts :D | 17:42 |
| w00t | tbr: it's still better than happened to my other half's n9's which was to wipe when you entered the wrong code too many times, as my other half found out when her brother was screwing around with it just "for fun" :) | 17:43 |
| coderus | if not it sometimes opening Notes app and writing texts here :D | 17:43 |
| tbr | w00t: ugh | 17:43 |
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| tbr | w00t: still better than triggering a remote wipe on an N9 from an Exchange server. → support or something close to relabelling. | 17:44 |
| w00t | and this was pre-security-revelations, so we couldn't even ask the NSA for their backup! :) | 17:44 |
| AL13N | dude... if it's in the last 20/30 years, you can be sure NSA has it | 17:44 |
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| tbr | and all is good. developer mode and magic incantations saved the day. | 17:59 |
| w00t | tbr: which incantations? :-) | 18:00 |
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| SfietKonstantin | tbr: how did you fixed the permanently locked issue ? | 18:04 |
| Jonni | w00t: secret ones to reset the counter :) | 18:04 |
| tbr | SfietKonstantin: the fact that developer mode is on helps | 18:04 |
| SfietKonstantin | tbr: how did you accessed dev mode while device being locked ? | 18:05 |
| tbr | you waive your security at the door (or at least it becomes your own responsibility) | 18:05 |
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| coderus | tbr: you can enter valid security code and proceed with recovery shell? | 18:07 |
| tbr | haven't tried that as I didn't need to, but that would have been my next step to check. | 18:08 |
| tbr | before having either a sailor look into it or just nuking the device from orbit with a full reflash. | 18:09 |
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| coderus | guys | 18:24 |
| coderus | [17906.834913] mmc1: mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -110) | 18:24 |
| coderus | [17906.834913] mmc1: error -110 whilst initialising SD card | 18:24 |
| coderus | sdcard dead? | 18:24 |
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| tbr | could be anything. IIRC that's one of those catch all errors | 18:25 |
| tbr | try it with a different reader, clean contacts, etc | 18:25 |
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| coderus | its on Jolla | 18:32 |
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| coderus | different card works ok | 18:32 |
| coderus | contacts are ok | 18:32 |
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| tbr | coderus: could be a dead card then | 18:41 |
| Sail0r | -110 is ETIMEDOUT 110 /* Connection timed out */": | 18:41 |
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| coderus | ok, trashed card :) | 18:43 |
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| spiiroin | Jonni, tbr, coderus: lipstick is compositor too; without compositor we do not know if it is safe to have display powered off -> loss of compositor -> display is powered up asap | 18:46 |
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| coderus | spiiroin: why without compositor? | 18:48 |
| coderus | spiiroin: i just wish to have display off if "Locked" page showed for a long time but not touched | 18:49 |
| tbr | a similar timer like for the lock screen might be good to consider (much shorter) | 18:50 |
| spiiroin | coderus: kernel side can go to various requires-reboot-to-recover states if rendering is attempted while fb is suspended | 18:50 |
| spiiroin | thus until each and every thing that draws on screen implements compositor interface, we need to assume no-compositor == display must not be powered off | 18:52 |
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| spiiroin | ... but the touch input could be blocked until proximity is uncovered in such situations | 18:55 |
| * spiiroin goes to file a ticket | 18:57 | |
| coderus | spiiroin: it's already here | 18:58 |
| spiiroin | coderus: what is? | 18:58 |
| coderus | 23:41 < Jonni> coderus: well keyevents are not triggered when proximity is covered, so you cannot enter pin or press confirm | 18:58 |
| spiiroin | that would be some special device lock thing then; without device lock it would land to home screen with inputs active | 18:59 |
| spiiroin | or at least I think it would, need to check | 19:00 |
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| spiiroin | it does | 19:03 |
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| ortylp | VDVsx: hi, I have recently had root partition low on disk space, after this incident email is no more synced and I am not able to set the schedule any more (in settings of the account). Can you gie me a hint what needs to be fixed or I have to restore factory defaults? | 19:41 |
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