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| kimmoli | September? update? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk | 07:44 |
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| stephg | heh | 07:45 |
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| Nicd- | kimmoli: september? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yecuXqc9_5s | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | i like kimmoli's better.. | 07:57 |
| tbr | eternal september? | 07:57 |
| tadzik | how related :P | 07:58 |
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| Nicd- | Stskeeps: just had to paste it since it came up on my mp3 player's shuffle :P | 08:00 |
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| Kiranos_ | these damn reboots, I have three layers of paper and still reboots :( | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | did you take it past care? | 08:11 |
| Kiranos_ | yea expecting pickup | 08:11 |
| tbr | Kiranos_: did you clean the contact surfaces? too much paper won't help | 08:11 |
| Kiranos_ | tbr: yes with alcohol | 08:12 |
| tbr | I don't think alcohol will scrub the oxide layer | 08:12 |
| Kiranos_ | never had any such issues with android or iphone so still.. | 08:12 |
| tbr | it will take care of finger grease though | 08:12 |
| tbr | iphones have soldered in batteries | 08:12 |
| Kiranos_ | just irritaging | 08:12 |
| Kiranos_ | last time now I was making a phone call and it just rebooted in the middle | 08:13 |
| tbr | 2G? | 08:13 |
| Kiranos_ | other times it can just lay on the table and when I pick it up its at the simcard display with maybe 40min uptime | 08:13 |
| Kiranos_ | tbr: switches between 3g and 2g, low quality 3g mostly | 08:14 |
| tbr | I posit that it will reboot the instant it switches to 2G | 08:14 |
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| tbr | pulsed high power | 08:14 |
| Kiranos_ | yea but cant debug it right as no logs are saved | 08:15 |
| tbr | significant voltage drop across contact surface → PWM goes into panic mode and kills the device | 08:15 |
| Kiranos_ | I cant continue to hav a phone like that, will probably buy new iphone 6 | 08:15 |
| Kiranos_ | I'm on call and must know my phone will work :P | 08:15 |
| Kiranos_ | and I honestly dont think its a hardware issue only | 08:16 |
| Kiranos_ | other phones can switch between 2g/3g | 08:16 |
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| tbr | I'm very sure it is, if then predominantly a hardware issue | 08:16 |
| tbr | I've been following up several cases out of interest and the common theme is clear: contact surface problems | 08:17 |
| Kiranos_ | how do I clear them best then? its litterary no visible smudges or anything | 08:17 |
| Kiranos_ | I've only opened up my backplane once it started to reboot | 08:18 |
| tbr | if the voltage drop is significant enough under load, then there is no possible way for the PWM not to go into panic mode. Otherwise it would risk blowing up the battery | 08:18 |
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| Kiranos_ | do you know how I can clean it? | 08:18 |
| tbr | I have suggested things like: contact cleaning fluid (that removes oxides etc), a gentle scrub with a HARD rubber eraser (blue side of red and blue), gently swiping with a flat screwdriver | 08:19 |
| tbr | for the last one it's imperative to only ever so slightly touch it and not apply any pressure to prevent any damage to the contacts, especially the spring loaded ones | 08:20 |
| gexc | Mr. Muscle? | 08:20 |
| sharpneli | GRAAAA | 08:20 |
| Kiranos_ | tbr: thanks for the info think I'll let care do that | 08:20 |
| sharpneli | Jolla support repair requests | 08:20 |
| sharpneli | Only DNA shop or webshop | 08:20 |
| sharpneli | Well the webshop requires online order number | 08:21 |
| sharpneli | Which the preorderers DO NOT HAVE :E | 08:21 |
| Kiranos_ | see how it is when it comes back, should have it a few months before ihpone 6 get released | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: hmm? i had | 08:21 |
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| sharpneli | Well I just threw the confirmation number from the preorder there and gonna hope it works | 08:27 |
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| chem|st | sharpneli: the shop.jolla.com still holds my ordernumbers and all details for me | 08:43 |
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| sharpneli | chem|st: My orders page is empty | 09:15 |
| sharpneli | On the other hand I did preorder mine before there even was this thing called jolla shop | 09:17 |
| sharpneli | Within 10 minutes or so when the very first preorders were available | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: hmm | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | i'd contact care@ to query | 09:17 |
| sharpneli | But I hope that original confirmation receipt is enough | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | should be | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a # on? | 09:18 |
| sharpneli | Yeah there is the preorder confirmation number | 09:18 |
| sharpneli | I used that. | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | 20xxxx? | 09:18 |
| sharpneli | No? | 09:18 |
| sharpneli | 84cxxxxxxxxx | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | hmm ok | 09:20 |
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| sharpneli | Or maybe it should be counted as purchasing it from DNA shop. | 09:22 |
| sharpneli | Because I was at teh line. | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | you were in first 500? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 09:22 |
| sharpneli | Yeah I'm number 119 ;D | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say care@ to try and sort you out :) | 09:22 |
| sharpneli | Yeah :) | 09:23 |
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| sharpneli | Jolla line. Never forget! | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | i will readily admit i was upstairs having drinks instead of being in the tent :P | 09:23 |
| * tbr did both ;) | 09:24 | |
| pp_ | :-) I didn't need any steeenking order numbers nor receipts to get mine fixed | 09:24 |
| * stephg really should have booked a flight to finland | 09:24 | |
| pp_ | I'd guess it's a bit more involved when the product is > 1 year old :-) | 09:25 |
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| meklu | does anyone here have an idea as to why SDL's render interface doesn't seem to work on the device? | 09:25 |
| meklu | https://together.jolla.com/question/55000/sdl2-test-application-wont-render/ | 09:25 |
| meklu | it works just fine on the desktop, and happily reports it's running with the opengl backend | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | maybe thp would know | 09:26 |
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| kimmoli | Jolla line reminds me about this https://together.jolla.com/question/42121/first-one-year-party-27-nov-2014/ | 09:44 |
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| stephg | yessss | 09:48 |
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| sharpneli | kimmoli: Mukana. | 10:00 |
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| kimmoli | /win 4 | 10:06 |
| meklu | 7msg kimmoli so silly | 10:07 |
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| kimmoli | i dont have 7chat.. | 10:19 |
| meklu | I only have /chat :( | 10:20 |
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| chem|st | sharpneli: that was iirc DNA Store purchase | 10:42 |
| sharpneli | Ah | 10:42 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: hmm, i wonder what happens to the people who were there, but don't live in finland | 10:51 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: their devices will get shipped to /dev/random and it will take at least 30 days to find it again and ship it to the right location | 11:34 |
| chem|st | so I am on btrfs balancing now... my uSD was FS 10GB used devid 26GB used | 11:35 |
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| chem|st | and another thing is "total" shows a value close to "free" but nothing sane (btrfs fi df) | 11:39 |
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| chem|st | after balancing 10.24GB used by fs 14.63GB used by devid, size is 29.28GB - compared to 31.25GB real size of the uSD this is actually a pretty heavy loss... | 12:04 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: did it work to balance the phone mem with the µSD | 12:07 |
| chem|st | those 4.5GB somewhere in the fs are 15% of the device... | 12:07 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: no I did not merge the devices and for sure I won't even think about doing it | 12:08 |
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| chem|st | on the phone mem the device has a 16% overhead to actual data... is that bad kernel modules or is that how btrfs is meant to be? | 12:10 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: so what are you balancing then? | 12:10 |
| chem|st | I balance the uSD | 12:10 |
| AL13N_work | with? | 12:10 |
| chem|st | btrfs balancing is device data versus FS data | 12:11 |
| chem|st | allocated blocks that are not used for real data | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | oh, that | 12:13 |
| chem|st | I know that metadata has 1GB reserved, but it is 4.4GB overhead - and metadata allocation shrank from 1GB to 768MB | 12:14 |
| chem|st | I know that there are preallocated or partly used allocated blocks, for the phone mem it adds up with missing ~300MB | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | i wish we could just get zfs on the phone. | 12:15 |
| chem|st | I have 5.75GB allocated, 5GB for data and 330MB metadata | 12:15 |
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| meklu | Stskeeps: licensing's super fun, innit? :V | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | uhhuh. | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | personally i give licensing the finger at home, zfs-on-linux | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:17 |
| flux | isn't zfs a bit memory-happy, though? | 12:17 |
| chem|st | the btrfs seems to allocate by 1GB for the FS and is keeping alot of spare blocks allocated that way so allocation is 14GB data + 768MB metadata | 12:17 |
| chem|st | flux: you can compensate with fast persistent memory - best thing I have seen so far is a 2xSSD+8GB ram^^ | 12:18 |
| flux | chem|st, but doesn't work that great for a mobile phone :) | 12:18 |
| chem|st | outperformed a 32GB machine | 12:18 |
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| chem|st | flux: no it does not | 12:19 |
| chem|st | :D | 12:19 |
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| chem|st | how do I get something properly cronjobbed? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have cron, but systemd might have something | 12:24 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: I mean that it is executed while device is in standby | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. hmm | 12:25 |
| chem|st | I know that I can have stuff run while I am using the device but those jobs never execute when the device is in standby | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | you can probably use CLOCK_BOOTTIMER timers | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | er, BOOTTIME | 12:26 |
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| rigo | give people choice, but be very visible if you execute something while being in background | 12:29 |
| rigo | ahem, standby | 12:29 |
| tbr | chem|st: you'll need to use something that's IPHB aware | 12:30 |
| chem|st | how is the daemon/watchdog starting the sync stuff doing? | 12:31 |
| tbr | IPHB will wake your process up at a defined point in time. Add some sanity checks around it and you're good to go. Not sure if there is a good cronlike application. Maybe timed? | 12:32 |
| * chem|st is wondering if he can generate it as a sync job | 12:32 | |
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| spiiroin | timed has or at least had execute command actions | 12:33 |
| chem|st | hmm, the gui does not support it but I might enter a "timed" item by hand right? | 12:34 |
| spiiroin | but I do not remember if they use the same dbus signaling as alarms do | 12:34 |
| spiiroin | if they do not, they will not wake up the device from suspend (until timed is fixed to use nemo-keepalive api) | 12:35 |
| chem|st | from timedclient-qt5 --help it has all kind of action args, also signaling and method call for dbus | 12:36 |
| tbr | well, wake up, grab a wakelock, do things, release lock, … profit | 12:37 |
| spiiroin | tbr: you need root for that; using keepalive does the same for normal user process too | 12:38 |
| tbr | right, forgive me for my platform thinking, where root or "adequate priviledges" are a given | 12:39 |
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| chem|st | I want to start and stop non user systemd services... timed | 12:39 |
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| tbr | non-user services require root though to be manipulated | 12:39 |
| spiiroin | chem|st: that will not work since timed is running as nemo (without some hacks like suid helpers) | 12:40 |
| chem|st | but nice to know that I can manipulate my work alarm to turn on wifi and sync emails^^ | 12:40 |
| chem|st | so the answer is pretty much "no you cannot" - at least not in an easy way | 12:43 |
| tbr | you can write a very simple suid helper for this | 12:45 |
| tbr | basically a one-liner that calls the exact command you want and does not take ANY parameters | 12:45 |
| meklu | pretty much | 12:47 |
| meklu | unless of course you want to compromise your device | 12:47 |
| meklu | and pass it tons of parameters | 12:48 |
| chem|st | but that does only work for binaries right? | 12:48 |
| chem|st | or non interpreted executables | 12:50 |
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| tbr | chem|st: correct, nobody is nowadays foolish enough to run a suid-root script. | 12:53 |
| * tbr has done so for some one-off firewall controll CGIs | 12:54 | |
| tbr | http://pastebin.com/aw95rzmK | 12:56 |
| * meklu has some scripts that have been exceptionally excepted from needing password when sudoed | 12:58 | |
| tbr | right, sudo is the other thing | 12:59 |
| tbr | I'd make super sure that those scripts are only writeable by root though, etc. | 12:59 |
| meklu | I think I also restricted those by user | 12:59 |
| meklu | yeah, they're root:root 0750 IIRC | 13:00 |
| meklu | hmm, apparently they were 0755 instead | 13:00 |
| meklu | one of them was meklu:meklu | 13:02 |
| meklu | eep | 13:02 |
| meklu | but now it's root:root | 13:02 |
| tbr | :] | 13:02 |
| tbr | goood that we talked about it | 13:03 |
| meklu | indeed. | 13:03 |
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| meklu | I had this in sudoers though: %wheel ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/foo | 13:03 |
| meklu | (also, my account is obviously in wheel) | 13:03 |
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| meklu | apache ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/bar | 13:04 |
| meklu | that's the other one which was root:root anyway, so that's okay-ish | 13:04 |
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| sqozz | hey there. Does anyone know, why the jolla frequently reboot when performing "mobile data" activities? The reason must have something to do with the power, because when the phone is connected to the pc/power supply the phone is absolutely stable | 17:45 |
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| Yaniel | 4g seems unstable | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | sqozz: contact care | 17:45 |
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| sqozz | Yaniel: i have no 4g.. Stskeeps: i will do that, it might have been that someone of you know a reason for that strange behavior | 17:50 |
| tbr | sqozz: especially if 2G/GSM/GPRS/EDGE is inolved this would be typical | 17:51 |
| tbr | sqozz: the most common cause is a contact problem between battery and device. Cleaning the contacts properly helps. It looks like an oxide layer or such. | 17:51 |
| sqozz | tbr: that sounds like it could be the reason. Most of the regions where i've been have that bad network coverage | 17:52 |
| sqozz | tbr: will try that, thank you | 17:53 |
| tbr | sqozz: hard rubber (blue side of red/blue) or very gently with a flat screw drier | 17:54 |
| tbr | driver | 17:54 |
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| coderus | Jolla reboots? Stskeeps > contact care. tbr > rub contacts | 18:04 |
| coderus | :D | 18:04 |
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| tadzik | :D | 18:07 |
| sqozz | coderus: and what whould you recommend to me? ;) | 18:07 |
| tadzik | rub contacts with great care :D | 18:07 |
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| tbr | coderus: carsten has to stick to the party line. I'm not bound by that and have seen it work. | 18:12 |
| javispedro | the Party | 18:14 |
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| sqozz | tadzik: lol | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | <- stalin, if some people are to be believed | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:18 |
| javispedro | ideas are more powerful than guns. so if we don't allow our enemies to use guns, | 18:19 |
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| javispedro | why would we allow them ideas??? | 18:19 |
| * kimmoli waits tbr to /nick tbrub | 18:19 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:19 |
| javispedro | I love the logic | 18:20 |
| tbr | kimmoli: don't rub me the wrong way, baby ;) | 18:20 |
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| kimmoli | but then we need some rubbing oil :P http://www.electrolube.com/products/contact-lubricants/224/21/ | 18:28 |
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| tbr | kinky! | 18:32 |
| coderus | oh, contacts lube! i wanted it so much! | 18:33 |
| tbr | should put this on the battery contact for a more pleasurable experience | 18:33 |
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| coderus | pleasurable %) | 18:34 |
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| coderus | i want photo leaks contacts full of electrical lube :P | 18:35 |
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| kimmoli | ordered CG60 35ml syringe... i will exploit some photos from the act | 18:36 |
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| coderus | :-~~~~~~~ | 18:37 |
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| coderus | btw, does it explode with big QMP?? | 18:39 |
| coderus | AMP* | 18:39 |
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| kimmoli | dunno about CG60, SOK (the 1 liter canister stuff) was meant for automotive high-current, like heating/ventilation apps | 18:41 |
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| coderus | ok, but if i'll use tight road of lube and gig amp? :D | 18:41 |
| coderus | just for experimants :) | 18:42 |
| coderus | big amp* | 18:42 |
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| kimmoli | could test, but can get only up-to controlled to 30A with low-ohm meter | 18:49 |
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