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| ponky | ugh, there's still no way to enable/disable unknown caller id from settings? i have to set it manually by calling #31# after every restart.. | 04:40 |
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| Wnt | ponky: I have always had settings -> apps -> phone -> "Show my caller ID" in the settings | 07:05 |
| ponky | Wnt: hmh, you're right | 07:08 |
| ponky | it must be some sort of network setting then, because it resets after every reboot and when i switch sim to another phone | 07:08 |
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| Kabouik_ | Hi there. Adding new patches (via Patchmanager) somehow screwed up my homescreen (I only got black screen, blinking green led, white screen, all three times, and now I only have black screen when I reboot) | 08:16 |
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| Kabouik_ | I'm trying to recover the broken lipstick files, but I can't get into SSH terminal | 08:16 |
| Kabouik_ | Any ideas? | 08:16 |
| SK_work | Kabouik_: yes | 08:17 |
| SK_work | go recovery | 08:17 |
| Kabouik_ | When I connect the Jolla to USB, I do hear it, but can't SSH | 08:17 |
| Kabouik_ | How do you do it exactly? | 08:17 |
| SK_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 08:17 |
| pp_ | developer mode on? | 08:17 |
| SK_work | Kabouik_: when entering recovery select 4 | 08:17 |
| SK_work | (shell) | 08:17 |
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| Kabouik_ | Let's try that, thanks | 08:19 |
| SK_work | Kabouik_: afterwards, you should have the recovered data inside /opt/patchmanager/backups | 08:20 |
| Kabouik_ | It still fails, either using the 10.42.66.66 ip given in the guide, or using the 192.168.2.15 I usually use | 08:23 |
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| SK_work | Kabouik_: ifconfig ? | 08:27 |
| SK_work | Kabouik_: sure that you booted to recovery ? | 08:27 |
| SK_work | (Jolla logo with nothing else) | 08:27 |
| Kabouik_ | Yes it's there, trying to check that RNDIS is properly installed (but I guess it should, as I usually can connect through SSH) | 08:28 |
| SK_work | Kabouik_: windows ? | 08:29 |
| Kabouik_ | Yes | 08:29 |
| SK_work | I can only help with linux sorry | 08:29 |
| SK_work | but check if you have a network connection | 08:29 |
| SK_work | yep, need rndis | 08:29 |
| SK_work | etC. | 08:29 |
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| Kabouik_ | Ok I'm there, wasn't working with my regular SSH application for some reason, but got it working with the MS RNDIS driver | 08:36 |
| Kabouik_ | However when I select "4" in the recovery prompt, I can't cd to /opt | 08:37 |
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| Kabouik_ | And actually when I "ls", there is no opt directory. :| | 08:38 |
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| SK_work | Kabouik_: you need to mount the rootfs | 08:42 |
| SK_work | one sec | 08:42 |
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| SK_work | Kabouik_: http://paste.kde.org/prsfgxxlx | 08:43 |
| Kabouik_ | Perfect, thanks | 08:44 |
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| Kabouik_ | Alright, got my homescreen back. Thanks a lot! Now let's try again these patches one by one and see which ones causes the issue. :[ | 08:48 |
| Kabouik_ | And rather hope no issue comes. :o | 08:48 |
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| Kabouik_ | In patchmanager (up to date), Swipe feedback patch and Titles in edit mode patch will both fail to install, is this a known issue? | 09:07 |
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| SK_work | Kabouik_: known issue | 09:17 |
| SK_work | the maintainer (= me) didn't found time to fix it | 09:17 |
| SK_work | will be fixed for next updat | 09:17 |
| Kabouik_ | Ok, thanks! I had these issues months/weeks ago, but was not sure my patchmanager was up to date. I just reinstalled it so it was worth asking :) | 09:18 |
| Kabouik_ | Great, thanks | 09:18 |
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| ln- | http://www.nokiapoweruser.com/2014/08/17/meego-meltemi-not-dead-may-metamorphose-into-a-cloud-based-nokia-os-in-future/ | 10:24 |
| meklu | "cloud-based" | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | Meego is not dead, it's called Sailfish now! ;) | 10:25 |
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| AL13N_work | why don't anyone mention sailfishOS? | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | it's annoying | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | also meego was jointly with intel iinm? | 10:27 |
| Nicd- | I did in the comments (awaiting moderation) | 10:27 |
| Nav | AL13N_work: First they ignore you... | 10:27 |
| meklu | then they forget about you | 10:28 |
| meklu | then you fall into irrelevance | 10:28 |
| Nicd- | so cynical | 10:28 |
| Nav | Not quite the quote I was referencing :-) | 10:28 |
| meklu | :) | 10:29 |
| meklu | I just couldn't resist twisting it the wrong way here | 10:29 |
| sharpneli | Wth is a "cloud OS" | 10:29 |
| Nav | sharpneli: Its fully buzzword compliant! | 10:30 |
| sharpneli | Ah. That explains it | 10:30 |
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| meklu | "Now your shell will be rendered IN THE CLOUD!" | 10:33 |
| meklu | "Isn't this just AMAZING?!" | 10:33 |
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| sharpneli | I actually heard about a startup that was making some mobile OS that was actually handled in servers | 10:35 |
| sharpneli | The phone was just 3G modem and a display. | 10:35 |
| meklu | just... no. | 10:35 |
| sharpneli | I think they realized by now that 3G modem eats so much power that it's totally retarded idea. | 10:35 |
| meklu | that is a most horrendous idea, and I can't believe more than one person thought it was a good idea | 10:36 |
| Nav | Someone needs to bash them with a cluebat | 10:36 |
| sharpneli | They even had a webpage. That's like 2 years ago. | 10:36 |
| meklu | the latency alone should be enough of a hint that it won't work | 10:36 |
| meklu | let alone the unreliable nonsense that are mobile networks | 10:36 |
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| sharpneli | Yyyuupp | 10:36 |
| meklu | it would also raise some serious security concerns | 10:36 |
| meklu | Nav: better make the cluebat the size of the empire state building or something | 10:37 |
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| thargor | is there somewhere a definition of the buzzword cloud OS? With my interpretation is absolutely nonsense but probably I'm wrong... | 10:57 |
| thargor | or is this a future technology where you only have a terminal which is connected to a huge server (lets call it mainframe or so)? | 10:57 |
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| pp_ | hmn, could be an OS where you have a minimal install image and incoming port 80 and 443 open. | 11:01 |
| pp_ | or a client cloud OS, which is about the same, with a GUI and outgoing ports 80 and 443 open. | 11:02 |
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| thargor | or this is the operating system which is controlling the clouds and is responsible for rain and snow and so on :-D | 11:13 |
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| rysiek|pl | ohai | 12:01 |
| tadzik | rysiek|pl: o/ | 12:01 |
| rysiek|pl | olol | 12:01 |
| rysiek|pl | tadzik: cze, skond klikash? | 12:02 |
| tadzik | rysiek|pl: z pracki | 12:02 |
| rysiek|pl | ah, makes sense | 12:02 |
| rysiek|pl | ja z lapka | 12:02 |
| rysiek|pl | #LubiePracki | 12:02 |
| tadzik | so, your N900 met its demise? | 12:03 |
| rysiek|pl | not yet | 12:03 |
| rysiek|pl | still need to cut my sim down to a microsim | 12:03 |
| rysiek|pl | or whatever jolla needs | 12:03 |
| tadzik | yeah, microsim is the new cool thing | 12:04 |
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| rysiek|pl | the new black, or so I've heard | 12:04 |
| rysiek|pl | also, looking for a decent calDAV sync app for jolla | 12:05 |
| rysiek|pl | heard of any? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, there was plans on caldav at least, i'm not sure if it got merged | 12:05 |
| * Stskeeps checks | 12:05 | |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/534/implemented-in-10716-support-for-caldav-based-calendars-eg-google-calendar-released/ | 12:05 |
| rysiek|pl | yaaay! | 12:07 |
| Abjectio | nanosim is the new cool thing... :/ | 12:10 |
| Teme | hmm, the concept of "cloud-based" mobile OS seems stillborn for reasons mentioned above :D | 12:10 |
| Teme | i wonder if it's just used a buzzword and actually means hard integration with some cloud service like MS is doing | 12:11 |
| rysiek|pl | Teme: sounds just about right | 12:11 |
| Teme | but does Nokia have such an infrastructure? | 12:12 |
| rysiek|pl | MS has | 12:12 |
| Teme | there was Ovi services but i don't how cloudy they were :P | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | i highly doubt they have anything given they laid off pretty much every base system guy in existence that did anything nokia linux related.. | 12:12 |
| Teme | yeah Azure obviously if it's got something to do with MS | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | so, -1 on rumour | 12:12 |
| meklu | Azure with Linux VMs | 12:13 |
| * meklu flees | 12:13 | |
| Teme | ... but "sources" on "the internet" "said" that it's true ;) | 12:13 |
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| tbr | azure just tanked yesterday, didn't it? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | sources are drunk | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 12:13 |
| * tbr read something on ElReg | 12:13 | |
| meklu | sources are already in Thursday | 12:13 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly if there's enough jolla users in WAW by now for a informal meetup | 12:18 | |
| rysiek|pl | Stskeeps: yes | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | i count rysiek|pl, tadzik, me and smoku at least, so far | 12:19 |
| rysiek|pl | viq, q3k, ar | 12:19 |
| tbr | enough people to meet for beers for sure | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | oh they got them too? | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 12:19 |
| rysiek|pl | and I that at least one or two more from HSWAW | 12:19 |
| * rysiek|pl brb | 12:19 | |
| tbr | I rarely visit wawa, so don't count. | 12:20 |
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| tadzik | wow, HS is really getting into it apparently | 12:24 |
| tadzik | last time I checked it was android all the way :P | 12:24 |
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| meklu | hmm? | 12:36 |
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| till_ | is there any information on when the next update is going to be released? | 13:22 |
| tadzik | other than "september"? | 13:23 |
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| pp_ | heh, n9 (and optima service) time | 14:38 |
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| pp_ | interesting experience after all these months | 14:38 |
| pp_ | virtual kb gives way less typos, at least :P | 14:39 |
| pp_ | hw is sooooo slow | 14:40 |
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| pp_ | no patches available, surprise | 14:41 |
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| sledges | psa: sailfishoss community meeting in #mer-meeting | 15:01 |
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| pdanek | Good day! How can I disable double-tap screen unlocking? | 15:58 |
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| javispedro | tbr: so, can I bother you for a few minutes? :) | 16:35 |
| javispedro | tbr: is build.merproject.org the OBS instance that's supposed to be used for chum? | 16:36 |
| javispedro | or M4rtinK, if you've used it. | 16:36 |
| tbr | sure | 16:37 |
| tbr | yes | 16:37 |
| M4rtinK | works fine for modRana | 16:37 |
| tbr | https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:tbr:sailfish/ - that's my packages I kick around | 16:37 |
| M4rtinK | and for rebuilding random packages | 16:37 |
| javispedro | let me see if I can figure out what's different in my pkgs | 16:37 |
| tbr | check which projects it builds against etc | 16:37 |
| tbr | it's not the package it's the project config | 16:38 |
| tbr | https://build.merproject.org/project/show/sailfishos:chum:1.0.8.19:testing | 16:39 |
| tbr | that's the testing queue | 16:39 |
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| pdanek | Good day! How can I disable double-tap screen unlocking? | 16:39 |
| tbr | right now it's enough if someone adds this repo on their device, installs the package, tests it a bit, uninstalls and confirms all is well | 16:39 |
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| tbr | pdanek: double tap doesn't unlock the screen it only wakes it up | 16:40 |
| pdanek | Ok, wake up. :) | 16:40 |
| pdanek | How to disable wake up on double tap please? :) | 16:40 |
| tbr | and only if the proximity sensor is not covered | 16:40 |
| Morpog_PC | i guess you need to fiddle with mce to disable it | 16:42 |
| javispedro | tbr: seems that only armv8el works | 16:42 |
| tbr | javispedro: yes, that's the disguise for armv7hl | 16:42 |
| javispedro | aaah. | 16:42 |
| tbr | an old MeeGo hack that's still haunting us | 16:42 |
| javispedro | ok, so basically only build for armv8el :) | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | just wait for aarch64. it's aarch65! | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | er, 64 | 16:43 |
| tbr | yes, and i486(?) if you care | 16:43 |
| javispedro | i586 doesn't work seemingly | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | i486 is i586 scheduler | 16:44 |
| javispedro | (same as armv7l which is the one I was using: it is present but has 0 packages) | 16:44 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I vividly remember your reaction when I told you that ARM released ARMv8 during LCE in copenhagen | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | did i look suicidal? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:44 |
| tbr | hard to tell it was IRC | 16:44 |
| tbr | but it was certainly not enthusiasm | 16:44 |
| javispedro | call it aarch64-x32 | 16:45 |
| M4rtinK | good luck once you need to support the real armv8 | 16:45 |
| M4rtinK | :) | 16:45 |
| javispedro | noone will notice | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: aarch64-32-bit exists.. | 16:45 |
| javispedro | and it's not armv8? hm | 16:45 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, just submitted modRana to chum testing :) | 16:45 |
| tbr | armv8 is not necessarily 64bit. go and cry. | 16:45 |
| tbr | although all 64bit is armv8 | 16:46 |
| M4rtinK | oh I remember that hack | 16:46 |
| tbr | IIRC cortex M or R versions of the ARMv8 concept will have 32bit only implementations too. but I don't remember the details. | 16:46 |
| M4rtinK | I guess you might want the registers but don't need so long pointers/more memory | 16:47 |
| M4rtinK | lets hope nobody ever implements that :) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | but I think that "aarch64-32" is basically armv8, exactly as in non-64 bit armv8s | 16:47 |
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| javispedro | no idea if they have minor but annoying differences or what, though. | 16:48 |
| tbr | also armv8 supports armv7 binaries, but only if the IP core was done with the AArch32 part | 16:48 |
| tbr | let's hope nobody does socs without aarch32 for now | 16:48 |
| javispedro | ah, aarch32 is another valid name! | 16:48 |
| javispedro | there you have more namespace for when the need for another hack arises. | 16:48 |
| M4rtinK | tbr: Fedora plans to have use that to build armv7 binaries faster | 16:49 |
| tbr | ah yes, ethical compiling. :> | 16:49 |
| M4rtinK | on 64 bit arm hardware | 16:49 |
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| tbr | but is it ethical to build 32bit arm on 64bit arm? ;) | 16:49 |
| M4rtinK | see the 64 bit arm flock talk for more info :) | 16:49 |
| * tbr hopes for lots of fun at ELCE/LC/CO/... | 16:50 | |
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| javispedro | x86 is going to get fun soon too. | 16:51 |
| javispedro | let's say Intel is playing more GP registers... | 16:51 |
| javispedro | *planning | 16:51 |
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| javispedro | hm | 17:01 |
| javispedro | "have choice for pkgconfig(Qt5Bluetooth): qt5-qtconnectivity-qtbluetooth-devel qt5-qtconnectivity-qtnfc-devel" | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | qtnfc should not provide Qt5Bluetooth at all... | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | %files qtnfc-devel %{_libdir}/pkgconfig/* | 17:02 |
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| javispedro | grrrr.. | 17:02 |
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| spiiroin | pdanek: this should disable double tap: mcetool --set-doubletap-wakeup=never | 17:08 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders why #mer-meeting is still active.. | 17:17 | |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: because nieldk comes to discuss after meeting :D | 17:17 |
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| pdanek | Morpog_PC: spiiroin: Thanks. | 17:29 |
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| dr_gogeta86_joll | cybette: happy b'day | 17:33 |
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| cybette | dr_gogeta86_joll: thanks! | 17:35 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | i've missed meeting | 17:36 |
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| cybette | dr_gogeta86_joll: minutes here http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-08-19-15.04.html and you can join the next one next week :) | 17:39 |
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| njsg | hmm, I see that jolla's website is not jolla.fi :-D | 18:09 |
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| Nicd- | because it's not just for finns | 19:09 |
| slate | or maybe because .fi domain was already taken. | 19:10 |
| Nicd- | they could claim it though | 19:12 |
| Nicd- | since it looks like jolla.fi is owned by a private person | 19:12 |
| Nicd- | companies have precedence in .fi | 19:13 |
| slate | Maybe the process is on but bureaucracy is slow. | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | otoh we did buy jolla.com | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:14 |
| Nicd- | I think they just haven't bothered | 19:14 |
| ln- | Nicd-: i doubt they have precedence for domains that are older than the company. | 19:14 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't be surprised | 19:16 |
| ln- | just think about dna.fi | 19:16 |
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| slate | dna.fi was issued 2008 | 19:17 |
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| ln- | although admittedly the previous owner was not a private person but an association | 19:17 |
| slate | dna finland started 2007 | 19:18 |
| ln- | yes, and their address was dnafinland.fi for quite a long time. | 19:18 |
| slate | yeh, I remember | 19:19 |
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| keithzg | Hmm. Opened Warehouse again for the first time in a while, and it fails to add its own self-update repo or any others I try to add, with a "Status: repo-not-found", "Couldn't find the specified repository". A search of Google and TJC doesn't turn up any directly relevant explanations. Hrmm... | 20:24 |
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| Almindor | hey | 21:29 |
| Almindor | is it possible to encrypt the home folder/data on the jolla phone? | 21:29 |
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| * keithzg curses RPM and all its associated tools | 22:36 | |
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| keithzg | I won't lie, it could just be my far greater familiarity with deb/apt than rpm/packagekit, but damn I find this frustrating. | 22:43 |
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| keithzg | Does PackageKit actually log to somewhere? | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | keithzg: in what regard ? :) | 22:44 |
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| M4rtinK | keithzg: I know both but rather prefer RPM :) | 22:44 |
| keithzg | M4rtinK: I'm trying to figure out why Warehouse can't enable any repos, want to see some actual logs rather than the scant information it gives in terms of failure (as mentioned in my comment a few hours back) | 22:45 |
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| javispedro | hey, pkkit is from the gnome guys and it has a dpkg backend too! | 22:46 |
| javispedro | so don't blame rpm for pkkit's faults :) | 22:46 |
| keithzg | I blame them in tandem ;) | 22:46 |
| keithzg | Plus, being from the GNOME guys is one of the reasons I'm sure it's not just my inexperience with it that's why I have issues :P | 22:47 |
| keithzg | (that being said, I'm 75% sure that the origin of my troubles here are my own damn fault, heh) | 22:47 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, IIRC packagekit is pretty much package format independent | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | I think that might be actually one of it's design goals :) | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC you can run pkcon in a monitoring mode | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | and then just run Warehouse | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | and then see what you get | 22:49 |
| keithzg | Hmm interesting. That might work. But seriously, are there not just . . . yaknow . . . log files? | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | journalctl -b as root ? | 22:50 |
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| keithzg | Was kinda hoping for a seperate log file, but I guess this is one of those systemd things eh? | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | well you can probably even drop the -b as the logs are not persistent by default | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | that's kinda the point | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | the journal logs are structured | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | so you can easily fish out the output of the app you are interested in | 22:51 |
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| keithzg | Am I doing something wrong? Neither arrow keys nor pagedown work... | 22:53 |
| keithzg | Guess --follow is my friend | 22:56 |
| keithzg | Aug 19 16:54:48 Jolla [10872]: [D] PackageKitProxy::t_onErrorCode:343 - t_onErrorCode "/1654_ebcceeed" code "repo-not-found" message "Couldn't find the specified repository" | 22:56 |
| keithzg | ...which is no more information than I had before. Dammit. | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, pagination works fine over SSH | 22:57 |
| keithzg | Not for me apparently. | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | weird | 22:58 |
| M4rtinK | gnoe terminal & ssh from fedora over USB networking - works | 22:59 |
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| keithzg | Yeah, enter goes to the next line, but journalctl otherwise disregards my pagedowns or arrow downs. Yakuake in Kubuntu over USB networking. | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | well, worst case: "journalctl -b > log.txt;vi log.txt" :) | 22:59 |
| keithzg | Heh, well, --follow served me fine. | 22:59 |
| keithzg | It just turns out there's nothing more than what I already get told by Warehouse :( | 23:00 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, try pkmon as root | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | it prints me a lot of stuff when I start warehouse | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | interesting, it shows progress for downloading the repo files, yet Warehouse shows only the spinner :) | 23:01 |
| keithzg | ooh, nice | 23:01 |
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| keithzg | Aha! Through the clues in pkmon---thanks, M4rtinK!---and working under the assumption that it was indeed somehow my own fault, I've discovered that I had the relevant repos already existing but disabled, and I guess Warehouse was mucking up trying to add them since they were, in fact, already there. | 23:10 |
| keithzg | A quick 'ssu enablerepo openrepos-basil' got the Warehouse self-update channel back in business, and a similar stroke got the relevant repo for ocNews re-enabled, whereupon I've got ocNews pulling from my ownCloud instance again. Phew! | 23:11 |
| keithzg | Gotta say, although the developer of the Android app is pretty great and he's done a rather good job, the Sailfish app for ownCloud News is way, way nicer to use just thanks to the UI paradigms at work in Sailfish vs Android. | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | nice you got it fixed! :) | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | the packaging stuff is still weird sometimes | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | like if you add a repo with zypper | 23:13 |
| M4rtinK | and then run something with pkcon, it might clean it up from the list :) | 23:16 |
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| keithzg | Yeah they seem to be somewhat at odds with eachother. | 23:21 |
| keithzg | AFAIK PackageKit uses ZYpp as the backend, and then 'zypper' itself also uses libzypp. So they both point at the same backend but don't necessarily acknowledge eachothers' existence. | 23:24 |
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| keithzg | Hmmm, I wonder if there'll be anything in the systemd-managed journals that could help unravel the inability to play low-Hz mono mp3s... | 23:31 |
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| keithzg | ...nope. Damn. | 23:34 |
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| keithzg | Hrmm. So if I'm trying to start an instance of pulseaudio to figure out why it (well, perhaps it, perhaps something else) glitches on lower-Hz mono streams, how do I actually start one? | 23:51 |
| keithzg | I can kill it just fine with pulseaudio -k as root, but if I try to start as root it complains that it isn't meant to be started as root. Meanwhile nemo doesn't seem to have privileges to start it, despite the instance when the Jolla boots being ostensibly owned by nemo. | 23:52 |
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| M4rtinK2 | maybe check the service files : | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK2 | ? | 23:58 |
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