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| m4g0g | hi | 06:03 |
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| m4g0g | I can't use music for ringtone from sdcard. Is it normal behavior& | 06:03 |
| m4g0g | ? | 06:03 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 07:58 |
| m4g0g | is it possble to use ringtone from sdcard? | 07:58 |
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| Yaniel | should be, I think? | 08:19 |
| Yaniel | yep, I can choose anything I see in media player | 08:20 |
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| m4g0g | Yaniel: I see it in player, but there is nothing in ambiense settings. | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | didn't try via ambience but in settings->system->sounds I see everything | 08:28 |
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| Kiranos | so about all these random reboots isnt there a way to not have the phone restart, just kernel panic or someting, save logs whatever this is redicolous | 13:12 |
| njsg | are jolla phones only available somewhere specific, or are they available in stores that usually sell phones, like verkkis? | 13:12 |
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| Yaniel | the latter | 13:13 |
| Yaniel | + directly from jolla | 13:13 |
| Kiranos | highly depend on country | 13:13 |
| njsg | I think I once saw some jolla people at the mall, but I don't remember if they were from some carrier (I think they were next to the DNA store) | 13:13 |
| njsg | Kiranos: helsinki, finland | 13:13 |
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| coderus | njsg: its only available in officially announced stores | 14:32 |
| coderus | fi DNA, kz Jolla store, HK Jolla store, + launching India store and some operators will start selling Jolla soon | 14:33 |
| coderus | you can't find it in regular stores | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's not entirely correct | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | in finland you can | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.f9.fi/uutiset.html#140317_jolla | 14:34 |
| coderus | really? missed announce then :) | 14:34 |
| njsg | hm, doing a quick search on verkkis, and yes, they have jolla | 14:34 |
| coderus | reseller probably? | 14:35 |
| njsg | which would be an advantage -- I don't know what is the law in .fi for SIM locks, but I dislike the whole idea | 14:35 |
| coderus | jolla doenst sell sim-locked phones (yet? | 14:35 |
| coderus | all jollas are unlocked for now | 14:36 |
| njsg | not even via DNA? | 14:36 |
| coderus | right | 14:36 |
| njsg | good, I was told that DNAs coverage is a bit sub-optimal :-P | 14:36 |
| coderus | it have no simlock at all | 14:36 |
| javispedro | hey Stskeeps | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: i don't think we have any simlocks | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | moo javispedro | 14:37 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: iirc, did you have some kind of libGLESv2.so full of stubs that would trace calls to stdout and then forward them to the real GLESv2.so? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | hrm | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | back up a bit and tell what you're trying to do :) | 14:38 |
| javispedro | oh, I'm still trying to debug that gear2 issue with qt+opengles | 14:39 |
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| javispedro | but I don't want to pull you down on that :) | 14:39 |
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| kimmoli | i think best collection of store availability is here http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/07/jolla-phone-availability-retailers-by.html | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: apitrace. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | that'll be your friend. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://apitrace.github.io/ | 14:40 |
| javispedro | ah, thanks! | 14:40 |
| javispedro | now I have a small snippet that fails if I run QCoreApplication::exec(), but doesn't fail if I run sth like while(true) {QCoreApp::processEvents())} works | 14:41 |
| coderus | Input | 14:41 |
| javispedro | InputOutput | 14:44 |
| javispedro | or InputOnly? | 14:44 |
| javispedro | ... too much X11. | 14:45 |
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| Kiranos | so how do I contact care? I'm logged into my account at jolla.com but its pretty useless info | 16:11 |
| Kiranos | https://account.jolla.com/ | 16:12 |
| Kiranos | doesnt seem to be able to do it from that | 16:12 |
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| coderus | jolla.zendesk.com | 16:16 |
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| Kiranos | coderus: thanks | 16:39 |
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| pdanek | I'm wondering. | 19:29 |
| pdanek | If Sailfish uses Android libs/drivers, so no need to develop new drivers for each new HW. | 19:30 |
| pdanek | And if lots of Chinese companies can pull off high-end, high-spec smartphones in no time. | 19:30 |
| pdanek | Why didn't Jolla join the spec wars? | 19:30 |
| pdanek | Sec, reboot, please reply in 2 min. :D | 19:31 |
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| pdanek | Back | 19:35 |
| walokra | technology evolves quickly so no point looking back | 19:36 |
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| tbr | also note that most chinese smarphones are decidedly not high spec | 19:48 |
| tbr | they follow in the massive wake of the midrange market | 19:48 |
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| coderus | just look at OnePlus One and Xiaomi MI4 and Meizu MX3 | 20:08 |
| coderus | i think pdanek ,eans these devices | 20:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | better xiaomi mi3 | 20:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | looks so familiar in hand | 20:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | despite is metal and not polycarbonate | 20:09 |
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| pdanek | I mean, if Jolla HW release process is slow and also bringing Jolla to different eastern markets takes such a long time. | 20:11 |
| pdanek | Then it may have been better, if Jolla 1 was already released with near-top hardware at the time of release? | 20:11 |
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| coderus | mi4 is better that mi3 obviously :D | 20:11 |
| pdanek | Just to be still in the game by end of 2014? | 20:11 |
| pdanek | Because by end of 2014, Jolla specs will be very old for most already. | 20:11 |
| pdanek | Yet no Jolla 2 planned anytime soon. | 20:12 |
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| coderus | imho if jolla wants there will be no problem to produce OnePlus One Sailfish Edition with brand of Jolla :D | 20:12 |
| pdanek | o.O | 20:13 |
| coderus | but "Jolla is small company and have it's own route in sea" :D | 20:13 |
| tadzik | "very old"? Specs are mostly marketing bullshit, and will probably not matter to anyone but those few nerds who wouldn't stand having a phone without a an octocore CPU with 1TB or ram | 20:13 |
| tadzik | does it run well? Yes. You don't compile stuff on it, nor you render graphics. As long as you can do what the software lets you do it's fine | 20:14 |
| walokra | well, a camera like at least in 925 would be nice | 20:14 |
| pdanek | I'm just discussing here. | 20:14 |
| pdanek | No hard feelings. ;) | 20:14 |
| tadzik | me too, that was my contribution to the discussion :) | 20:14 |
| tadzik | specs in phones are just my pet peeve, as you can probably easily notice :) | 20:14 |
| pdanek | But specs in marketing work. | 20:18 |
| pdanek | I tried to explain Jolla to many people in Europe. | 20:19 |
| pdanek | And nobody was that much interested in different OS. | 20:19 |
| pdanek | Sadly, | 20:19 |
| Bawal | if only the camera hw+sw would be slightly better i'd have no complaints | 20:19 |
| tadzik | interesting, camera is probably last on the list of things that I don't like in Jolla | 20:20 |
| pdanek | Well. | 20:20 |
| walokra | screen (in sunlight) is the biggest issue | 20:20 |
| pdanek | Times when people carried separate camera are gone. | 20:20 |
| pdanek | Most of people shot with phones. | 20:20 |
| pdanek | So camera has become very important factor. | 20:21 |
| pdanek | All the spec wars are marketing, but camera wars is one of the things which actually still brings real added value. | 20:21 |
| tadzik | true, the amount of megapixels is something that the average buyer actually cares about, disregarding the actual image quality ;) | 20:23 |
| Bawal | i don't care about specs if the software looks nice enough and runs smoothly | 20:23 |
| tadzik | "40 megapixels" is way more attractive than "it has a better lens so your pictures are not godawful for a change" | 20:23 |
| pdanek | Bawal: I do agree, except the camera thing. :) | 20:23 |
| Bawal | imo many android devices marketing "need" to be about specs cos the os is an elephant and doesn't run too smooth on anything | 20:24 |
| pdanek | tadzik: megapixels don't matter, but the actual image quality of Jolla isn't on par with competition | 20:24 |
| tadzik | that too, but my theory is that they brag about the specs because you can hardly brag about anything else when everything is android | 20:24 |
| pdanek | Bawal: yes, completely agree, except the camera :P | 20:24 |
| tadzik | pdanek: could be; I never really cared about it, I usually carry a real camera | 20:25 |
| pdanek | yes, many people do, yet much more people don't :( | 20:25 |
| tadzik | pdanek: you got me curious though: competition being an average competition phone? | 20:25 |
| tadzik | I assume you don't mean "that lumia with a real camera on its back" | 20:25 |
| pdanek | tadzik: Chinese competition in similar price tag | 20:25 |
| tadzik | I see | 20:25 |
| Bawal | yeah. i guess my beef with the camera is it's overall quality, i feel even my old n900 could take better pictures. the software is mostly ok (i'd like a panorama option though) | 20:25 |
| tadzik | . o O ( everything is chinese :P ) | 20:26 |
| Bawal | but image quality doesn't satisfy | 20:26 |
| Bawal | generally on daylight it takes "ok" pictures if you shoot away from the light source | 20:26 |
| Bawal | i also feel the wider option skews the image a bit | 20:27 |
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| pdanek | Bawal: I also think my N900 did a little better pictures than Jolla does. | 20:28 |
| pdanek | We all know the IP of Nokia cameras, but Sony OEMs camera chips to many manufacturers and lens can be afforded too, that's how OnePlus One did it, I don't think OnePlus One has huge R&D labs for camera technology. | 20:28 |
| pdanek | Most of Jolla buyers are old Nokians, so used for some camera standard. | 20:28 |
| pdanek | So maybe, just maybe, Jolla could have stayed with current specs, except the camera. :) | 20:28 |
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| tadzik | well, more RAM will not hurt, since we need to run android apps :D | 20:31 |
| walokra | you can always dream about high specs, like octo-core 64-bit, 41 Mpix, 4GB RAM and 64GB disk etc. But does it really make you more happy to have that or do you need it is other matter | 20:31 |
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| pdanek | walokra: high specs don't make anyone more happy, again: except the camera | 20:32 |
| walokra | yep | 20:32 |
| pdanek | If you're on vacation as backpacker and you are not really camera guy, you are satisfied with mobile camera. | 20:32 |
| pdanek | And if you later show the photos to your family, you want them to be good. :) | 20:32 |
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| pdanek | Maybe in the future, it won't matter, when most of cameras will be so good, that people won't see the difference --> like it is now with display resolution wars, | 20:34 |
| pdanek | BUt now, the difference is still very noticeable. | 20:34 |
| Bawal | i was pretty happy that my friend had a lumia 1020 when we went on a 2-week motorcycle trip to norway | 20:34 |
| Bawal | my pictures... meh | 20:34 |
| clau | the only thing O would have liked different is the screen. | 20:34 |
| clau | I* --- and the keyboard, apparently | 20:35 |
| Bawal | i'm fine with the screen | 20:35 |
| walokra | in sunlight? | 20:35 |
| Bawal | if you're outside on a sunny day you should have something else to do than play with your phone anyways | 20:35 |
| Bawal | ;o | 20:36 |
| tadzik | I've never seen a screen that was good in sunlight | 20:36 |
| tadzik | except for a Kindle screen :P | 20:36 |
| clau | the resolution could have been a tad better, but I don't care that much. however, it's really difficult to use in strong light. | 20:36 |
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| walokra | but at least on 925 you can actually see what's on the screen on sunlight | 20:36 |
| clau | wp8 has a sunlight mode, which drastically increases contrast. | 20:37 |
| walokra | hmm, haven't noticed that | 20:37 |
| clau | it looks like it's a functionality implemented in sw | 20:37 |
| clau | there's an option tou need to activate, if I recall correctly | 20:38 |
| Bawal | remember kids, if u have polarized sunglasses while using the phone on landscape | 20:38 |
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| Bawal | take the glasses off | 20:38 |
| clau | also, there's another trick wp8 does: white is not really white, it's yellowish | 20:39 |
| clau | it doesn't bother you that much in the dark | 20:39 |
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| clau | talking about sw I need, any news about swype like kb? | 20:42 |
| pdanek | I don't think so. | 20:42 |
| walokra | clau: ha, checked the settings and there's the sunlight mode :) | 20:42 |
| tadzik | right, something was shown on the internet a while ago, looked very interesting | 20:42 |
| pdanek | Let's see in the big Q3 update. | 20:42 |
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| tadzik | the only thing I hope to see in Sep update is that stupid haptic feedback bug :o | 20:43 |
| clau | wdyn tadzik ? | 20:43 |
| clau | missed vibrations? | 20:44 |
| tadzik | yeah | 20:44 |
| clau | yeah, it's really annoying | 20:44 |
| clau | n9 felt much crisper | 20:44 |
| tadzik | oh, no | 20:44 |
| clau | it might be also a hw limitation, tho | 20:44 |
| tadzik | I mean the fact that in the lastest update there's a bug | 20:44 |
| clau | oh? | 20:45 |
| tadzik | if you have haptic turned off, vibrations don't work at all | 20:45 |
| tadzik | anywhere | 20:45 |
| clau | ah, haven't encountered it | 20:45 |
| tadzik | that makes me wonder if I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like haptic feedback, but there sure as hell is no one in Jolla QA department who doesn't :P | 20:45 |
| clau | :) | 20:45 |
| clau | talking about wp8... at least on lumia 920 it looks quite good | 20:46 |
| clau | the screen is actually dark, similar to n9 | 20:46 |
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| pdanek | As for the keyboard, let's hope for TOHKBD rev2 to be amazing. :) | 20:47 |
| clau | I hope jolla will make a similarly good one. as of now, if you manually activate it it's still completely on | 20:47 |
| pdanek | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93156 | 20:47 |
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| pdanek | I had the 1st TOHKBD and it's just proof of concept, not usable. | 20:47 |
| walokra | clau: have you tried wp8.1, brings wp8 near to real mobile os. | 20:48 |
| pdanek | Keyboard is the main reason why I'm going for the BlackBerry Passport. | 20:48 |
| clau | haven't yet walokra | 20:48 |
| clau | but I've glimpsed it on someone else's phone | 20:49 |
| javispedro | pdanek: but it does not seem to have arrow keys... | 20:49 |
| clau | just give me swype and I'm happy :) | 20:50 |
| clau | oh... and proper navigation sw :( | 20:50 |
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| pdanek | javispedro: the keyboard is touch sensitibe and it has a gesture to enable mode where it will work almost like touchpad, so you could easily replace arrow keys function with it | 20:53 |
| pdanek | sensitive* | 20:54 |
| javispedro | a touchpad is interesting | 20:54 |
| pdanek | If anyone should trust BB in 2 things, it is: security, keyboard | 20:55 |
| pdanek | Always best keyboards from all vendors, both HW and virtual. | 20:55 |
| pdanek | So only amazing TOHKBD rev2 can stop me. :) | 20:56 |
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| Kiranos | hm I cant close an app by pulling down anymore, it just goes to "minimize" after I pull down, anyone know the fix for this? | 20:59 |
| clau | did you just update the os? | 21:00 |
| raa70 | there's a switch in settings | 21:00 |
| clau | there's a switch staring with some version, which was probably activated during update | 21:01 |
| clau | or... you did it :) | 21:01 |
| clau | Settings -> System -> Shortcuts | 21:01 |
| clau | "Enable swipe closing" | 21:02 |
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| clau | is there a list with what's expected from the next update? | 21:10 |
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| Kiranos | Clau: thanks!! | 21:38 |
| clau | yw | 21:39 |
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