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| CraigA | anyone know if Jolla works in Japan (NTT DoCoMo network)? | 04:54 |
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| ln- | could random reboots have something to do with having or not having an SD card in the slot? | 07:24 |
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| pp__ | mostly it's the battery loose thing I guess? | 07:27 |
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| ln- | a few days ago i experienced 3..4 reboots within 24 hours, yet my jolla has never ever randomly rebooted before. i recently added an SD card, that's all that has changed. | 07:33 |
| pp_ | suppose sd card could cause more power peaks or whatnot | 07:34 |
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| pp_ | anyway, try the take battery out for 10 mins and put some paper there trick | 07:34 |
| pp_ | mine has been happier since | 07:34 |
| entil | http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002731.html xiaomi :( | 07:34 |
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| ln- | entil: that shouldn't matter to anyone who is syncing their contacts through e.g. google. | 07:36 |
| ln- | ... because they've given up their privacy already. | 07:37 |
| mikma | ln-: yes but they have actually set up the sync in their phones. that one does it without setting it up | 07:38 |
| entil | ln-: what mikma said, and yes, that's not defending google... also everyone knows google will nsa your ass | 07:39 |
| meklu | well, Xiamoi sending it over plain HTTP doesn't really help their case... | 07:42 |
| meklu | *Xiaomi | 07:43 |
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| entil | this only proves that even paranoid people have enemis | 07:44 |
| pp_ | the smart ones use https and cert pinning | 07:44 |
| pp_ | so it's more difficult to find out that they're invading your privacy | 07:44 |
| mikma | and soon everyone will start hunting for Nokia 8210 phones | 07:45 |
| SK_work | xiaomi will china-nsa your ass too | 07:48 |
| SK_work | mikma: and typewriters | 07:48 |
| * tbr patpats his Siemens P1 and Nokia 1610 | 07:50 | |
| * entil swipes his jolla | 07:51 | |
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| VDVsx | SK_work, started already :) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-23282308 | 07:55 |
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| AL13N_work | entil: you too? | 07:55 |
| SK_work | VDVsx: I know, that why I told about this :) | 07:55 |
| SK_work | hum for sure there is some spyware in the qualcomm bits on the Jolla | 07:56 |
| VDVsx | and they are really good: "Unlike printers, every typewriter had its own individual typing pattern which made it possible to link every document to a particular machine, Izvestiya said." gegege | 07:56 |
| SK_work | don't feel "safe" | 07:56 |
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| meklu | isn't there this blob in most devices that controls the radio parts? | 07:58 |
| meklu | basically something really explosively fragile that happens to practically own the device | 07:58 |
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| sharpneli | meklu: To be honest there isn't many other ways to send arbitrary data from the phone to the manufacturer if you don't control the access points too | 07:59 |
| sharpneli | And those are made by different companies. | 07:59 |
| meklu | and for no reason other than it being really expensive to certify that stuff | 07:59 |
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| meklu | well, I'm talking about arbitrary people, not even controlling the network, being able to cause some serious damage | 08:00 |
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| Cal-Dron1 | miu | 08:00 |
| SK_work | Cal-Dron1: meww | 08:01 |
| Cal-Dron1 | :] | 08:02 |
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| tbr | meklu: modem, also called baseband, firmware is usually a well guarded, secret shrouded blob. If it's on the same silicon as the ARM core running the OS the question is also if it can access the RAM of it. But that's a general problem. | 08:28 |
| pp_ | often full of holes too, so no need to add real backdoors, just introduce subtle bugs | 08:30 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 08:33 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: how does blackphone handle all that? | 08:33 |
| SK_work | not sure it does | 08:33 |
| AL13N_work | they said they would get a real secure phone with all software opensource (was it all talk?) | 08:33 |
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| tbr | AL13N_work: they won't tell you that, but I bet they don't. They have to trust their vendor. | 08:33 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: after what they claimed, it was all talk after all? | 08:34 |
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| SK_work | http://qz.com/181977/hidden-risk-in-blackphones-secure-communications/ | 08:34 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: ^ | 08:34 |
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| tbr | "oops" | 08:35 |
| tbr | quick, everyone act shocked and surprised! | 08:36 |
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| SK_work | :D | 08:36 |
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| pp_ | http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ ! | 08:39 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: SK_work: i kinda saw that one coming | 08:40 |
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| SK_work | pp_: yep, problem is: on which (modern) chip does this wonderful sw work ? | 08:41 |
| tbr | just glue an USRP to your ARM-board and 3d-print a case. | 08:41 |
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| Sail0r | Ok, I am here again with my tapatalk problem ,). It's running very good except of push notifications which it does not receive nor does it fire any notifications. Does anyone have this working? Or is it normal that it does not refresh the forums ? | 08:51 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: don't know :( | 08:54 |
| Sail0r | maybe i have got the wrong version or smth :-/. That's why I am searching for someone who has a working setup :x | 08:54 |
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| Nicd- | 24 days uptime soon \o/ | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | er zijn mensen aan het denken op een oneplus te kopen en er sailfishos op te zetten | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | wrong window? | 09:28 |
| AL13N_work | no, wrong language | 09:28 |
| AL13N_work | there are people who are thinking of buying the oneplus cyanogenmod phone and put sailfishos on it | 09:28 |
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| Anz_ | AL13N_work: those skeptics who think Jolla Oy loves their OS more than the phone as a whole? | 10:13 |
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| Venemo_ | my jolla has managed to receive an email while both wifi and mobile data were turned off | 10:17 |
| Venemo_ | how is this possible??? | 10:17 |
| Nicd- | magic | 10:17 |
| artemma | if it was really-really important email.. | 10:17 |
| AL13N_work | Anz_: well, they believe that the hardware you get for that price is better | 10:17 |
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| * artemma seemed to notice same a couple of times (was worried about roaming costs), but after closer look it seemed that emails actually came during wifi action | 10:18 | |
| artemma | Venemo_: could the wifi connection have happened? | 10:18 |
| artemma | git status | 10:18 |
| artemma | sorry, wrong window :) | 10:18 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, if wifi is disabled it might not be completely disabled sometimes? | 10:18 |
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| artemma | if you disable whole WiFi switchm it should be disabled I think.. | 10:19 |
| artemma | but if you just rejected some wifi offer dialog, maybe it can connect to another network or later | 10:20 |
| tadzik | my mini-rant on media player: https://together.jolla.com/question/52858/media-player-shuffle-inconsistency/ | 10:20 |
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| Teme | good rant | 10:21 |
| Anz_ | Venemo_: or a very delayed notification that was fetched while connected to WiFi earlier :/ | 10:21 |
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| simbrown | How many unexpected shut downs per day is it normal to endure before getting in contact with care@ | 10:28 |
| tadzik | 0 | 10:28 |
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| simbrown | that's a very low number | 10:34 |
| simbrown | I'm averaging about five and it's becoming tiresome. | 10:34 |
| simbrown | At least the device boots quickly | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | 5 is a huge number | 10:35 |
| Nicd- | talk to care | 10:35 |
| Teme | 5 is what i've had since getting the device :( | 10:36 |
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| simbrown | I've had two so far today and it's not even lunch time yet | 10:36 |
| Nicd- | well you know what to do | 10:37 |
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| Teme | well nobody is going to blame you for contacting care then | 10:37 |
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| simbrown | Thanks, I'll talk to care | 10:38 |
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| tbr | simbrown: out of curiosity, are you often in low coverage areas with only GSM? That includes basements, elevators, etc. | 10:55 |
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| Venemo_ | Anz_: nope | 11:19 |
| Venemo_ | I would guess it was connected to mobile data even though it said it wasn't | 11:19 |
| Venemo_ | because there were no known wifis nearby | 11:20 |
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| Venemo_ | yeah | 11:22 |
| Venemo_ | it's connected to mobile data right now, even though it's disabled in settings | 11:22 |
| Venemo_ | seems like a serious regression | 11:22 |
| Teme | that doesn't seem very desirable | 11:23 |
| Teme | and airplane mode? | 11:23 |
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| tbr | Venemo_: a similar bug has been fixed already at least once. lpotter will be thrilled. :-/ | 11:27 |
| Sail0r | when I try to setup the ubuntu chroot for hadk it ends with "unknown ubuntu version" | 11:29 |
| Sail0r | what's the trick to get it running? | 11:30 |
| tbr | Sail0r: #sailfishos-porters | 11:30 |
| simbrown | tbr: My home has marginal 3G and 4G so it does a lot of switching about. The same on my train ride to work. | 11:32 |
| AL13N_work | is #sailfishos-porters for getting sailfishos on android device? | 11:32 |
| AL13N_work | home only has marginal 3G | 11:32 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 11:32 |
| AL13N_work | my work has ok 4G | 11:32 |
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| tbr | simbrown: ok, that sounds like a possible scenario. If you don't mind to try two things, I could offer some help. | 11:33 |
| simbrown | tbr: happy to try though won't be able to for long as care have asked me to return the device | 11:34 |
| tbr | simbrown: clean the contact surfaces on both the battery and the phone. either use special contact cleaner or e.g. a hard rubber eraser or _gently_ a sharp metal edge | 11:35 |
| tbr | and when reinserting the battery, slightly pad the opposite side with paper to increase contact pressuer | 11:35 |
| tbr | pressure... | 11:36 |
| tbr | the cleaning procedure has helped two people already (the paper padding was insufficient for them) | 11:37 |
| tbr | also make sure not to touch the contact surfaces with your fingers. | 11:37 |
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| AL13N_work | hoho, excess flood | 11:41 |
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| simbrown | tbr: I've fitted the paper padding, I'll clean the contacts tonight. Thanks | 11:42 |
| Venemo_ | tbr: I guess it has something to do with the new network stack | 11:43 |
| tbr | Venemo_: "connman" | 11:43 |
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| Venemo_ | tbr: I dunno, but it'd be nice to finally fix it. the network stack has a few more of these "features" that annoy the crap out of me every day | 11:56 |
| Venemo_ | but this one could potentially cause financial issues too | 12:00 |
| Venemo_ | so it's very serious... | 12:00 |
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| meklu | connman seems a bit iffy on the desktop too | 12:02 |
| meklu | I don't especially love their DNS proxy :/ | 12:02 |
| tbr | Venemo_: if you find a way to reproduce it, that would increase the likelyhood of a fix | 12:02 |
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| Venemo_ | tbr: I use my jolla every day. I enable / disable both wifi and mobile data multiple times every day. something must have gone wrong at one occasion | 12:36 |
| SK_work | Venemo_: weired, my network stack is rather stable these days | 12:42 |
| SK_work | except some data disconnect, everything work as expected: wifi is connected at home, data outside etc. | 12:42 |
| Venemo_ | well, it has a few weird bugs | 12:42 |
| Venemo_ | tbr, SK_work: which Jollan should I ping about this? are there any logs I can provide, or something? | 12:43 |
| SK_work | Venemo_: I know lpotter (in Australia) | 12:43 |
| tbr | Venemo_: if you want to help, enable connman logging (see the connman hotfix TJC item _comments_) | 12:43 |
| SK_work | and you need connman logs, but don't know where to get them | 12:43 |
| tbr | SK_work / Venemo_ - note that I already did hilight him in the very beginning :) | 12:43 |
| Venemo_ | sure | 12:43 |
| Venemo_ | okay | 12:44 |
| tbr | Venemo_: also you must enable persistent systemd journal | 12:44 |
| tbr | the connman logging is in two packages somethingsomething-trace and something else | 12:44 |
| tbr | you just install them | 12:44 |
| tadzik | wow, Jolla in Kazakhstan has an actual Jolla Store | 12:48 |
| Teme | .. | 12:48 |
| Teme | Jolla <anywhere> should have access to the actual Jolla Store, right? :D | 12:49 |
| tadzik | big deal, it's the first time of any actual physical presence of Jolla anywhere :D | 12:49 |
| Teme | woah woah woah | 12:49 |
| meklu | :O | 12:49 |
| tadzik | http://www.jollatides.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/jolla_showroom_almaty_kazakhstan.jpg | 12:49 |
| meklu | that's pretty cool | 12:49 |
| Teme | you mean they have a _store_ for _physical_ stuff with just Jolla stuff | 12:49 |
| Teme | even Finland doesn't have that :P | 12:49 |
| tadzik | well, the website says "showroom" almost interchangeably with "store", so I'm not so sure no | 12:50 |
| Teme | maybe you need to order online since they don't deal with payments | 12:50 |
| Teme | but that's still cool | 12:50 |
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| tadzik | yeah, it's real: http://www.jollatides.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/jolla_showroom_almaty_kazakhstan.jpg | 12:53 |
| tadzik | argh | 12:53 |
| tadzik | https://twitter.com/TimMcDigital/status/495897658608078849 sorry | 12:53 |
| tadzik | not the worst thing to mispaste :) | 12:53 |
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| Teme | https://twitter.com/jubbing/status/495898875895758848 :D | 12:56 |
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| Hartzi | what :D | 13:00 |
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| eyea_UK | Jolla )0!1@ joh | 13:02 |
| eyea_UK | how is everyone? | 13:02 |
| eyea_UK | I got mame working in the jolla | 13:02 |
| eyea_UK | mame4droid | 13:03 |
| eyea_UK | sweet | 13:03 |
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| Nicd- | eyea_UK: why do you always start with 0!1@ ? | 13:24 |
| Nicd- | )0!1@ I mean | 13:24 |
| eyea_UK | its jolla | 13:25 |
| eyea_UK | )0!1@ | 13:25 |
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| Nicd- | ah | 13:25 |
| coderus | If you have not enough votes for your wishes in Mitakuuluu, you can donate to author and send link to issue at github. | 13:31 |
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| AJAX555 | yay crashing marathon started \o/ | 14:25 |
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| fennekki | coderus: so bribery works best, eh? :D | 15:02 |
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| Nicd- | oh man this looks nice: http://www.shapeways.com/model/2145085/the-other-side-blocks-for-jolla-phone.html?materialId=93 | 15:07 |
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| simbrown | Nicd-: curse you for showing me that! My resistance is weak | 15:17 |
| Nicd- | mine is too, but my wallet is even weaker :( | 15:17 |
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| simbrown | Thankfully my Jolla is going back to Finland tomorrow so my Wallet will be safe for a while. | 15:19 |
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| coderus | fennekki: wut? | 15:38 |
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| meklu | error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: | 18:53 |
| meklu | *bunch of debug symbol files* | 18:53 |
| meklu | hrmmph | 18:53 |
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| meklu | o_O | 18:55 |
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| meklu | that wasn't a very descriptive error | 18:55 |
| meklu | added /usr/libexec/%{name} to my YAML file list | 18:55 |
| meklu | werks | 18:55 |
| javispedro | Installed = copied to the destination dir (e.g. by your make install, etc.) | 18:56 |
| javispedro | Unpackaged = not list in the .spec %files section | 18:56 |
| javispedro | that's the way I parse it at least =) | 18:56 |
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| meklu | hmm, apparently %{_libexecdir} is a better idea | 19:02 |
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| tbr | tizen.org is down, conspiracy theories - GO! | 20:56 |
| tbr | it would be the right time of the year, and the right setting... | 20:56 |
| bef0rd | works here | 20:57 |
| bef0rd | http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/tizen.org.html | 20:57 |
| tbr | bef0rd: yeah, just started working again. was spewing all sorts of HTTP 5xx errors before that | 21:00 |
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| matrixx | Nicd-: I ordereded one a few days ago, was sold on the first sight :) | 21:18 |
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