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| diverse | Is this the place to ask for help with sailfishos installation? | 01:47 |
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| tadzik | I think #sailfishos may be more appropriate | 07:08 |
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| sjtoik | what in earth have happened to qt? haven't checked the original site for awhile and now it is all about the enterprise bs. | 07:29 |
| Nicd- | you may be looking for http://qt-project.org/ | 07:30 |
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| sjtoik | i'm more conserned about this core vs. new features separation | 07:31 |
| inte | good morning | 07:31 |
| inte | my jolla phone does occasionatly not have sounds | 07:31 |
| inte | then, it suddently works again | 07:31 |
| inte | then, again, it doesnt | 07:32 |
| inte | probably sth is crashing | 07:32 |
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| Nicd- | sjtoik: what separation? | 07:32 |
| sletta | sjtoik: You shouldn’t put too much into that… Digia needs to make a living to fund Qt development and has a few commercial offerings, but the core of Qt will always be open source and available to masses | 07:32 |
| inte | is it pulseaudio? | 07:32 |
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| joonahoi | yup, it's been like that since Trolltech days. Gladly the licensing is now more comprehensive | 07:33 |
| sjtoik | sletta: sure the core will remain open, and under development, but those changes will be more like bug fixes | 07:33 |
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| sletta | sjtoik: no.. nothing like that | 07:34 |
| sjtoik | aah ok. nice if you don't feel the same way. | 07:34 |
| sjtoik | still though, you can't say that the default layout the framework gives you looks anything like modern, or can you? | 07:35 |
| sletta | Qt Quick is modern | 07:35 |
| sletta | Though our examples are not the best :/ | 07:36 |
| sletta | “our” as in Qt's | 07:36 |
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| sjtoik | fortunately, it's easy enough | 07:36 |
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| sjtoik | but you have done all the detailing and layout desings from the ground up. | 07:37 |
| sletta | What do you mean? which “you” are you referring to? | 07:38 |
| sletta | I have potentially three hats, I need to take care as to which I’m using… Currently I’m wearing my Qt hat :) | 07:39 |
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| sjtoik | so... can you tell me, where i find a good qt library for graphs? :) | 07:40 |
| Teme | just a sidenote, "you" are using a weird flavor of quotation marks :) | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | fancy quotes | 07:41 |
| sletta | probably because I’m norwegian | 07:41 |
| inte | my problem is that pulseaudio seems to start up properly | 07:42 |
| inte | but i dont have sounds | 07:42 |
| sjtoik | sletta: and sorry, i probably mixed up. though you were a sailor. | 07:42 |
| sletta | sjtoik: There is Canvas, QPainter, OpenGL for building blocks. KD Charts (commercial from KDAB), Qwt, Qt Charts (commercial from Digia). | 07:43 |
| sletta | sjtoik: I am a Sailor, but I’ve also been a Qt developer for some 10 years, so that hat is hard to take off.. | 07:44 |
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| sjtoik | sletta: cheers. i'll look into ones i haven't already used | 07:48 |
| inte | nothing in journalctl | 07:48 |
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| pdanek | Do you use active covers? | 08:31 |
| Nicd- | depends on app | 08:31 |
| pdanek | I found myself not using it at all. :( | 08:31 |
| Nicd- | mostly for refreshing apps that show data on the cover | 08:31 |
| Nicd- | and the media player when I happen to use it | 08:32 |
| tadzik | I've found that apps didn't really discover the potential quite yet | 08:35 |
| tadzik | I use it with emails quite often | 08:35 |
| artemma | I think it's a little more about the missing standards/recommendations there | 08:36 |
| artemma | all covers are kind'a different | 08:36 |
| artemma | though standards could possibly emerge from the crowd too :) | 08:36 |
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| cb400f | my provider is offering to send me a 4g sim card for freeeeee... are there actually any drawbacks to 4g at all? ... battery life? reliability? anything? | 08:49 |
| cb400f | and will you feel any difference when just browsing the web or using basic apps accessing the web? | 08:50 |
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| cb400f | .. the bastards don't include Jolla in the list of phones supporting 4g though... so I need to educate them ;-) | 08:51 |
| pdanek1 | cb400f: which bastards? | 08:51 |
| cb400f | my phone service provider :-) unotel.dk | 08:52 |
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| tadzik | cb400f: if you accidentally leave a browser with "restore session on startup" on a page with a huge download, it will redownload it and eat 100MB of your data plan faster than you can stop the download | 08:57 |
| tadzik | been there, done that | 08:57 |
| cb400f | :-D | 08:57 |
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| cb400f | guess I should just jump into the brave new 4g world and check it out | 09:07 |
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| Milo- | touch screen calibration seems to get a huge offset in the browser at random times.. | 09:12 |
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| Milo- | clicking a text field and it selects a link which is few cm above the finger | 09:14 |
| SK_work | Milo-: yep, known issue it seems | 09:15 |
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| inte | ok. checked together.jc regarding the no-sound-from-speaker-problem and it seems to be quite common. Everything seems to the point that I would have to send the phone in for repair... It is, however, not that clear. It seems some peoble got the sound back by switching ambience or other tricks. | 09:30 |
| inte | none of these worked for me yet | 09:31 |
| inte | any ideas, anyone? | 09:31 |
| inte | thanks! | 09:31 |
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| Kiranos | https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/212 | 10:25 |
| Kiranos | Dennis NienhüserkdeeduMarble Android | 10:25 |
| Kiranos | sad to not see jolla here :( | 10:25 |
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| cb400f | yeah, there was marble for the N9 | 10:48 |
| cb400f | maybe the difference is that Nokia gave away a ton of phones | 10:49 |
| cb400f | but since it's freeee software I guess anyone could pick up the N9/Qt4 version and port it to the Jolla (well, any competent developer that is) | 10:49 |
| cb400f | at least we'll prolly be able to run the android version :-) | 10:51 |
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| tobiski | Hi, I tried to search tjc but didn't find anything related to this: I've started to have notifications on "Synchronization: Too many contact removals". when I tap the notification it just disappears and comes back after few hours. | 11:26 |
| tobiski | Right now I have 3 of them in the notifications area, one marked 5 hours ago, another 1 hour ago and third one 5 minutes ago | 11:26 |
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| tobiski | I have Facebook and Gmail contacts activated, but those have been selected since the day one I got the phone in December. I started to get this notification during the summer. | 11:29 |
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| nazanin | tobiski: can you give me the output of your device journal logs? | 11:32 |
| nazanin | tobiski: just do journalctl -b (the -b gives the journal logs upto the last time you rebooted the device) | 11:33 |
| tobiski | nazanin: will do, sec | 11:38 |
| tobiski | last reboot isn't that far away since my battery went out about an hour ago | 11:39 |
| tobiski | I had unplugged it from charger this morning, and it lasted only 5-6 hours... | 11:39 |
| nazanin | tobiski: you can do journalctl then, without any sufix | 11:40 |
| nazanin | tobiski: after journalctl, also collect the output of these two commands: | 11:43 |
| nazanin | tobiski: ag-tool list-accounts | 11:43 |
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| nazanin | tobiski: ag-tool list-settings <account-ID> | 11:43 |
| nazanin | (the account ID is written to the left side of your account name in the output of list-accounts command) | 11:44 |
| nazanin | tobiski: I can then report this issue, or my idea is that you open a thread on tjc and include the description of the problem + the output of journal logs and ag-tool | 11:44 |
| nazanin | in this way, if someone else is running to the same problem, they can spot the post on tjc :) | 11:45 |
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| gexc | my jolla stucks at network switching :-/ | 12:31 |
| gexc | any logs to check? | 12:31 |
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| gexc | settings app shows the gprs toggle greyed out | 12:33 |
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| tadzik | what if you go to the actual menu, beyond the shortcuts page? | 12:33 |
| * gexc waiting for the red led flashing :P | 12:34 | |
| gexc | also greyed out | 12:34 |
| gexc | in the mobile data page | 12:34 |
| gexc | in event controls from patchmanager the icon is clickable, but stucks after tapping | 12:35 |
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| gexc | then black screen/red led flashing for a while and goes back | 12:35 |
| gexc | the connection icon is gprs arrows with a "!" | 12:36 |
| gexc | the phone is still operational except for the network part | 12:36 |
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| gexc | wlan: [28490:E :HDD] hdd_conf_hostarpoffload: | 12:52 |
| gexc | wlan: [28490:E :SME] pmcSetHostOffload: 2507: Ignoring the indicationas we are not connected | 12:52 |
| gexc | wlan: [28490:E :HDD]hdd_conf_hostarpoffload: Failure to disable host offload feature | 12:52 |
| gexc | ^Those are shown in red in journalctl, related? :-/ | 12:52 |
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| * gexc has restarted lipstick and the gprs connection icon is gone, but the toggle is still disabled :-/ | 12:57 | |
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| Sail0r | yeah my jolla is back and got replaced :) | 13:14 |
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| Sail0r | hm strange the new jolla does not have any ca installed | 13:18 |
| tadzik | ca? | 13:19 |
| tadzik | ah, CA | 13:19 |
| Sail0r | it says untrusted even to google.com | 13:19 |
| Sail0r | https://google.com | 13:19 |
| tadzik | I wouldn't trust google.com either :o | 13:19 |
| Sail0r | and the browser closes immediatly if i try to enter a web address | 13:20 |
| Sail0r | curl https://google.de | 13:21 |
| Sail0r | curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: certificate is not yet valid | 13:21 |
| Sail0r | More details here: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html | 13:21 |
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| veskuh | device clock could be in wrong time | 13:23 |
| Sail0r | good hint | 13:23 |
| Sail0r | yeah 2099 ... | 13:24 |
| Sail0r | jolla from the future ;) | 13:24 |
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| J4ZZ | Ahoi sailors... Is someone on who could possibly help me to find out if my gps is properly working? I'm always about 200-300 meters off my actual position and I never get a constant Location icon on lock screen it's only blinking and does that as long as a map app is running. I left maps open for about over an hour and still no gps fix. | 13:37 |
| Aard | J4ZZ: are you outside? | 13:38 |
| J4ZZ | Was yesterday, but not atm | 13:38 |
| J4ZZ | I haven't used navigation since the last two or three updates so I'm not sure if it's just a bug. | 13:39 |
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| Naranek | I usually get a fix in the Maps app in under a minute. | 13:41 |
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| J4ZZ | Is there any service I could check if it's running? I'm asking because 'systemctl list-units | grep gps' or hybris or here doesn't return anything | 13:45 |
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| AL13N_work | J4ZZ: there is 2 systemctl 's | 13:51 |
| AL13N_work | one as user and one as root | 13:51 |
| AL13N_work | as regular user, you need to add "--user" | 13:51 |
| AL13N_work | J4ZZ: i must say, i've noticed that sometimes i'm also 2 à 300 m off on position, but i think it depends on just one satellite, if there's more satellites and the results get more accurate, then the issues dissapears | 13:52 |
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| AL13N_work | maybe one of the satellites are out of sync, and possibly there's some list somewhere you can apply as a deviation or something | 13:53 |
| AL13N_work | for each satellite | 13:53 |
| * AL13N_work doesn't know | 13:53 | |
| * AL13N_work is guessing | 13:53 | |
| AL13N_work | J4ZZ: best way to kill gps is just closing maps | 13:53 |
| AL13N_work | and starting back up | 13:53 |
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| tadzik | huh, why does my jolla open images in android image viewer (which doesn't work) :o | 14:17 |
| tadzik | I downloaded an image in android Opera, and then opened the transfer notification in the notification area | 14:18 |
| coderus | tadzik: seems opera used unhandled method | 14:18 |
| coderus | fill bug to tjc, should be fixed afaik | 14:18 |
| tadzik | ah, so it's Opera's fault | 14:18 |
| coderus | tadzik: not at all | 14:18 |
| tadzik | what kind of unhandled method did it use then? | 14:19 |
| coderus | aliendalvik have functions bindings to sailfish | 14:19 |
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| tadzik | aha, and sailfish noticed the download | 14:19 |
| coderus | and not everything are binded | 14:19 |
| coderus | android contains much of methods to do same operations | 14:19 |
| coderus | and everything should be binded | 14:19 |
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| J4ZZ | @AL13N_work Can you tell wich services are those two? Because that's probably the root cause here that those are simply missing or not running | 14:37 |
| AL13N_work | i donno about services | 14:38 |
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| AL13N_work | i just said there are 2 separate systemd lists | 14:38 |
| AL13N_work | # systemctl list-units | 14:38 |
| AL13N_work | $ systemctl --user list-units | 14:38 |
| AL13N_work | you might look there for gps | 14:38 |
| AL13N_work | though i suspected it be a triggerd dbus thing maybe, i don't know | 14:39 |
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| AJAX555 | should I get worried, my jolla suddenly informed me "1 on-going call" or something like that when I was working | 14:40 |
| AJAX555 | in home screen | 14:40 |
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| J4ZZ | no service here with gps in it's name | 14:44 |
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| phdeswer | AL13N_work: J4ZZ : GPs gets handled through geoclue. So does not show in systemd units | 14:50 |
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| tadzik | AARGH WTF | 14:53 |
| tadzik | I've deleted all the wrong covers that QuasarMX downloaded from my music folder | 14:53 |
| tadzik | I deleted the entire .thumbnails | 14:53 |
| tadzik | I restarted the tracker a couple of times | 14:53 |
| tadzik | and the Media app still shows wrong covers | 14:53 |
| tadzik | where does this thing keep them | 14:53 |
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| tadzik | aha! ~/.cache/media-art. Now how to rebuild this madness.. | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: hard reset the tracker? | 14:59 |
| tadzik | ggabriel: yeah, trying that | 14:59 |
| tadzik | never touching QuasarMX again. What a mess | 14:59 |
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| tadzik | aaand the album arts are still there | 15:01 |
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| tadzik | maybe I'll just send it in for warranty because of the reboot issues | 15:01 |
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| ggabriel | is quasarmx available for sailfish now? | 15:02 |
| tadzik | yes | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | openrepos? | 15:02 |
| tadzik | I think it's in the Store actually | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | uhm... | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | and you're certain it relies on tracker? | 15:02 |
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| tadzik | but for your own good, stay away from the "automatically download covers" | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | i had to kick reindexing separately in the n9 | 15:02 |
| tadzik | I'm not even talking about Quasar now | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | i'm using the media application that comes with sailfish tbh | 15:03 |
| tadzik | I used it for a while, uninstalled | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | oh | 15:03 |
| tadzik | but the wrong covers will haunt me for fucking ever now | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | how did you reset tracker out of curiosity? | 15:03 |
| tadzik | tracker-control -s | 15:03 |
| tadzik | but you know what? I'm pretty sure media has a backup of those files somewhere | 15:03 |
| tadzik | I remove them, restart the tracker, restart media, they reappear | 15:04 |
| tadzik | reappear as .mediartlocal/album-md5-md5.jpeg | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | ok, fwiw i use tracker-control -r | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | use ps to make sure there's no tracker activity | 15:04 |
| tadzik | I'll try that | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | and then tracker-control-s | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | erm, tracker-control -s | 15:05 |
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| tadzik | please upvote: https://together.jolla.com/question/522/mediaplayer-add-whole-albumartist/ :) | 15:31 |
| tadzik | the question is there since December last year, Jolla even reacted, but didn't do anything yet | 15:32 |
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| Sail0r | please up vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/50901/please-add-mpris-support-to-media-player/ so we might get able to control the mediaplayer via other apps | 15:33 |
| pdanek | http://youtu.be/FKXOucXB4a8 | 15:33 |
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| tadzik | Sail0r: oh nice, I didn't know there's a freedesktop spec for these | 15:33 |
| Sail0r | :) | 15:34 |
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| Sail0r | quasarmx has the capability | 15:34 |
| tadzik | I hate quasar for what it did to my albumarts | 15:34 |
| Sail0r | but I don't like the player itself | 15:34 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 15:34 |
| tadzik | also, it doesn't seem to have a concept of a play queue, which makes it pretty damn useless tome | 15:35 |
| Sail0r | It does not look very Sailfish-like | 15:35 |
| tadzik | it can be a CLI app for all I care, as long as it has cover actions :P | 15:35 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 15:36 |
| tadzik | I would like nothing more than mpd + ncmpcpp on my jolla, but Media is so close to being good enough for me that I'll just keep bumping TJC threads until I lose all hope | 15:36 |
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| Sail0r | for me it's good enough at the moment but I don't use it very often | 15:38 |
| Sail0r | I keep voting up the carddav/caldav tjcs | 15:38 |
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| Sail0r | yeah I have now two jollas according to account.jolla.com *g* | 15:41 |
| tadzik | you should now be a Sail2r :P | 15:41 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 15:41 |
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| Sail0r | it's nice to have 1.0.8.19 as recovery rom on my Jolla now :) | 15:43 |
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| Sail0r | Is there any good alternative (even android app) to google maps to see traffic ? | 15:51 |
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| sledges | Sail0r: try MartinK's modRana | 15:59 |
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| sledges | it allegedly has google traffic overlay | 15:59 |
| Sail0r | here maps in browser also works very well | 16:00 |
| AL13N_work | here maps in browser has traffic? | 16:00 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 16:00 |
| Sail0r | yep | 16:00 |
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| AL13N_work | google maps in browser plainly does not work | 16:00 |
| AL13N_work | i suspect google thinks it's an android device and tries to do some fancy stuff | 16:01 |
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| Sail0r | you must set your user agent to android in webcat | 16:01 |
| gexc | here maps in browser doesn't work in china | 16:01 |
| Sail0r | after that it's working | 16:01 |
| AL13N_work | ability for the browser to not show mobile pages would be nice | 16:01 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't try webcat before | 16:01 |
| gexc | 😐 | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | tried that google overlay in modrana and it doesn't load quite quickly | 16:02 |
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| numo | hey all, i've just downloaded the f-droid APK from their website. I've also installed "Android support". However, when I go into ~/Downloads via File Browser, tap the APK and pull down to "Install", nothing happens except the "Install launched" screen. There's no App icon anywhere on the home screen. | 16:14 |
| coderus | Sail0r: i'm using yandex maps | 16:14 |
| coderus | numo: i installed F-Droid via apk with no problems | 16:17 |
| numo | can i do so via command line? | 16:17 |
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| numo | ( @ coderus ) | 16:18 |
| gexc | there is apkd-install | 16:18 |
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| numo | hmm `apkd-install FDroid.apk` gives me the following: | 16:20 |
| numo | method return sender=:1.4 -> dest=:1.82 reply_serial=2 boolean false | 16:21 |
| coderus | reboot :) | 16:21 |
| Sail0r | or install one android app from jolla store | 16:21 |
| numo | ive done multiple reboots.. will try to install another app from the jolla store. | 16:22 |
| Sail0r | It failed for me, too. but after installing a random app from jolla store it worked | 16:22 |
| coderus | also check apk in /data/apps and remove it | 16:22 |
| gexc | what does the store do besides installing? | 16:22 |
| Sail0r | dunno but it worked afterwards | 16:23 |
| Sail0r | maybe something is missing after just installing androidsupport | 16:23 |
| numo | installing an app from jolla store first did the trick! | 16:25 |
| numo | strange.. | 16:25 |
| numo | cheers for the help guys | 16:25 |
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| Sail0r | no problem | 16:28 |
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| gexc | hmm | 16:31 |
| gexc | in earlier releases yandex store is installed alongside android support | 16:32 |
| gexc | so that did the trick? | 16:32 |
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| Sail0r | maybe | 16:34 |
| gexc | then removing the dependency to yandex store made android support 'incomplete' | 16:34 |
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| pdanek1 | that dependency was removed? | 16:46 |
| Nicd- | yes, yandex is no longer installed by default | 16:46 |
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| Sail0r | I wonder why nobody is doing a tapatalk app for sailfish | 16:47 |
| tadzik | I've never even heard of tapatalk :o | 16:48 |
| parasemic | im totally hopeless... | 16:48 |
| tadzik | is there something we can do about it? | 16:48 |
| parasemic | got jolla repaired, reset the phone and got a new sim card, 3g is still completely broken | 16:48 |
| tadzik | uh | 16:49 |
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| parasemic | standin still on my desk with full signal bar, still dropping connection consistently | 16:49 |
| parasemic | i've tried literally everything | 16:49 |
| parasemic | it just broke after second latest update and has been fubar since | 16:50 |
| parasemic | only thing i think is possible, is that the SIM dock is broken as they only replaced the antenna in warranty repair | 16:52 |
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| iamtew | I think I'm doing something wrong.. when I swipe to the side in the web browser, it gets closed.. I thought it would put it in the background? | 17:05 |
| iamtew | very annoying when jumping between the terminal (for irc) and between web browser | 17:05 |
| lainwir3d | it shouldn't do that. | 17:06 |
| gexc | orientation? | 17:06 |
| iamtew | horizontal, or landscape mode as it's called in the menu :) | 17:08 |
| iamtew | wait.. does the actions change depending on orientation? | 17:09 |
| gexc | yes | 17:09 |
| iamtew | lol | 17:09 |
| iamtew | I feel so stupid now :D | 17:09 |
| iamtew | I didn't know that, thanks! it makes so much sense now | 17:09 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 17:10 |
| * gexc used to be annoyed by this when there was no orientation lock | 17:11 | |
| iamtew | I wish I could make a shortcut for orientation lock somehow.. was quite a pita at the airport the other day to scan my boarding pass because the phone kept rotating the picture around | 17:11 |
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| tadzik | hm, you can probably put it as a favourite in settings | 17:12 |
| tadzik | and then install that patch for favourites-from-settings in the notification area | 17:12 |
| tbr | iamtew: you should be able to put a finger on the display to ad-hoc lock the orientation | 17:13 |
| gexc | showing three icons doesn't seem right | 17:13 |
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| iamtew | tbr: I know that one, but the security scanners at Schiphol required me to lay the phone flat against the surface, so I can't fit the finger in there | 17:13 |
| iamtew | it worked when I turned the phone very slowly though | 17:13 |
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| tbr | iamtew: ah | 17:14 |
| gexc | is there a widget like the brightness adjustment, but with discrete ticks? | 17:16 |
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| gexc | that would be handy for an orientation shortcut | 17:16 |
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| iamtew | I don't really understand how you mean.. | 17:19 |
| gexc | err | 17:19 |
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| pdanek1 | Not needed. | 17:22 |
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| gexc | that would be easier to access compared to a shorcut for display | 17:23 |
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| gexc | or put three toggles in the fav section ;-) | 17:24 |
| gexc | which cannot be sorted yet | 17:25 |
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| gexc | not useful for now since the event-control patch shows only the brightness shortcut :( | 17:32 |
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| faiden | My bluetooth icon under settings next to the Data trafic icon vent missing today .. | 19:41 |
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| Sail0r | it's incredible how fast I can type with the jolla softkey board without wrong typing in contrast to my android phone | 19:45 |
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| pdanek1 | Is FM radio in phone potentially good for apocalypse? | 19:48 |
| pdanek1 | Like if everything gets fucked, radio should work. | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | Or shortwave receiver | 19:51 |
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| flux | there should be an SDR :) | 20:05 |
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| Sail0r | hm I wonder why the mpris patch for Audioplayer.qml is no longer working | 20:11 |
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| pdanek | I can't figure out how to disable double-tap to unlock. :O | 21:15 |
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| eyea_UK | jolla )0!1@ joy | 21:54 |
| eyea_UK | all good | 21:54 |
| eyea_UK | all well | 21:54 |
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| eyea_UK | how is everyone? | 21:56 |
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| eyea_UK | Is it possible to install mame on jolla if so whats best | 21:57 |
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| tadzik | mame? | 22:32 |
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| eyea_UK | multiple arcade machine emulator - MAME | 22:33 |
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| tadzik | oh, never heard that term | 22:40 |
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| runical | you might want to check out if it runs on ARM in the first place. If I am not mistaken, emulation programs use a lot of assembly code to get the required speed. | 22:58 |
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| amccarthy | faiden: Did you remove it from favourites? | 23:53 |
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