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| lainwir3d | hi | 07:41 |
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| BasilSemuonov | how long usually harbour QA lasts? | 07:44 |
| AL13N_work | don't the harbour page says 48h ? | 07:44 |
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| BasilSemuonov | i guess thats a stub | 07:45 |
| Hartzi | 48h minus weekends? | 07:46 |
| AL13N_work | probably 48 working hours | 07:46 |
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| AL13N_work | but this being vacation... | 07:46 |
| tbr | sounds like 2-3 business days | 07:47 |
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| iekku | 2 business days, max | 08:10 |
| iekku | if there's something unclear we contact developer | 08:10 |
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| iekku | BasilSemuonov, has your app been longer in queue? | 08:11 |
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| BasilSemuonov | iekku, second business day is today (excluding sat and sun). submited on thu (late evening). | 08:21 |
| Teme | are Android notifications supposed to show up in the lock screen? | 08:22 |
| iekku | BasilSemuonov, could you please tell your apps name, i will check what is the situation | 08:22 |
| Teme | they show up (from Skype) when i open notifications screen - but they don't show in the lock screen | 08:22 |
| Teme | which is kinda weird... i also can't see "Account needs to be updated" or "Update available" in the lock screen... but for example SMS notification and missed call show normally | 08:23 |
| tbr | Teme: it depends on how the notification is sent. depending on some parameters it might or might not show up on the lock screen or on the notification screen. | 08:25 |
| tbr | Teme: if this is intended for aliendalvik or just a bug, is a good question though | 08:25 |
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| Teme | i would very much like to see Skype notifications on the lock screen, just as SMS are shown now... it's essentially the same thing :P | 08:33 |
| Teme | but i wonder about the "Account needs to be updated" - that used to show up on lock screen, too | 08:33 |
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| chem|st | my SGSIII moded Qi receiver is to large, guess I need a custom printed TOH after all... will test some others as soon as I have them but I doubt that thei fit either | 09:37 |
| chem|st | s/large/thick/ | 09:37 |
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| tbr | chem|st: the only problem I had was the connection "blocks". was trivial to remove them with a soldering iron. the added height makes the ToH slightly curved in the back but is not a problem | 09:46 |
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| Anz_ | Insmat flip case for Jolla: does it have openings for the ear-loudspeaker and notification LED? (not shown on the illustration in SJC) | 09:59 |
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| walokra | No. check my pics from: http://verteksi.net/soks/2014/06/24/pikatesti-insmatin-suojalaukku-jollalle/ | 10:07 |
| chem|st | tbr: I could not get it down to connection points, and sadly they manufactured it in two pieces, the coil is stuck on a thick sheet and cannot be removed without ripping it in pieces | 10:08 |
| chem|st | s/connection points/TOH holding brakets/ | 10:09 |
| tbr | ah, ok | 10:10 |
| chem|st | this sheet is adding to the resistors and stuff | 10:10 |
| tbr | the "thick sheet" could be a ferrite reflector | 10:10 |
| chem|st | so it is like a 3rd mm to thick | 10:10 |
| chem|st | tbr: no it is the other side, the reflectorsheet is that thin that I rip it in tiny pieces by just touching it | 10:11 |
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| tbr | ah, ok | 10:12 |
| chem|st | the reflector is about kitchen Al-foil | 10:12 |
| chem|st | with a carbon-powder coating or alike | 10:12 |
| tbr | interesting | 10:12 |
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| chem|st | the electronics side is a pvc-coated cu foil, rather thin itself - that is glued to the lets-call-it-cover sheet... let me find a picture... | 10:14 |
| chem|st | http://i.ebayimg.com/t/QI-Wireless-Ladegeraet-Receiver-Adapter-Fuer-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-SIII-S-III-BC219-/00/s/NzAwWDEyMDA=/z/hjAAAOxyUgtTMTj0/$_58.JPG | 10:15 |
| chem|st | on of the cover sheets is really just a cover, easily detached, the other has the coil stuck to it | 10:16 |
| chem|st | for steampunk sake I was thinking about just drilling holes into TOHs and attache it from the outside... but I only have 30€ TOH I wont drill holes into... | 10:18 |
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| chem|st | otoh I wanted to have the Qi receiver stuck to the phone, not to a TOH... | 10:19 |
| tbr | :) | 10:20 |
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| chem|st | http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1795756.pdf | 10:25 |
| chem|st | that is the smallest I found til today | 10:25 |
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| rubdos | I contacted my phone operator and they're telling me my phone usage is counted correctly at their side. How can I see which application costed me 2 gigabytes of mobile data in 6 days time? :P | 10:42 |
| tbr | I don't think sailfish does accounting for that | 10:43 |
| tbr | you could try tcpdump or observe the traffic otherwise, e.g. on wifi | 10:44 |
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| chem|st | rubdos: mitakuluu? my sister is trying to find out what is causing huge mobile-data too | 10:47 |
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| Anz_ | walokra: thanks. but insmat.fi displays it differently: http://www.insmat.fi/_thumbs/wManage/images/products/800x600_711285_650-2088c.jpg | 10:48 |
| Anz_ | walokra: btw, nice reviews! though in Finnish, bookmarking verteksi.net :) | 10:50 |
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| Teme | i like who "aaargh" is in the wordcloud for verteksi :D | 11:10 |
| Teme | how* | 11:10 |
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| walokra | Anz_: they have updated the cover, i see | 12:20 |
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| Anz_ | walokra: but i guess they don't ship out of Finland? | 12:21 |
| ecloud_ | mjones: missed your ping on Friday | 12:21 |
| walokra | Anz_: insmat doesn't sell directly so you can find if from retailer like verkkokauppa.com (they show the old picture) | 12:22 |
| mjones | ecloud_: np. we seem to exist exactly 12hrs apart | 12:22 |
| ecloud_ | shouldn't be that much | 12:23 |
| ecloud_ | about MouseArea or something else? | 12:23 |
| mjones | ecloud_: the mouse multitouch change looks good, apart from a couple of things | 12:23 |
| mjones | ecloud_: I had a lot of trouble with the Flickable one though | 12:24 |
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| ecloud_ | well after your patch it is hard to rebase | 12:24 |
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| mjones | ecloud_: I thought there was very little overlap | 12:25 |
| ecloud_ | it was working OK before in the things I tested | 12:25 |
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| mjones | ecloud_: I tested without my change, in case that was the problem, but I had the same issues | 12:26 |
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| mjones | ecloud_: this is all applied against 5.2, though. So I wouldn't rule out that as a cause | 12:27 |
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| ecloud_ | the issues you wrote about on gerrit? | 12:27 |
| mjones | yes | 12:27 |
| mjones | for the Flickable change | 12:27 |
| ecloud_ | "If I try to move a Flickable with two fingers" - I don't think I tried that | 12:27 |
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| ecloud_ | well except on OSX, then it's wheel events | 12:28 |
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| mjones | that is the main use case for multitouch Flickable for me | 12:28 |
| mjones | that and "two finger running" flicking | 12:28 |
| ecloud_ | you want to require two fingers for flicking? | 12:29 |
| mjones | not require, but it should act sensibly if you do | 12:29 |
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| ecloud_ | yeah | 12:32 |
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| ecloud_ | "MouseAreas within the Flickable stuck pressed after I've released all touches" | 12:37 |
| ecloud_ | which got stuck, the Flickable or one MouseArea or more than one? | 12:38 |
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| mjones | the MouseArea remained pressed | 12:41 |
| mjones | one of them | 12:41 |
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| mjones | I think I was able to make others stick by doing more flicks | 12:42 |
| mjones | This was a ListView of MouseAreas | 12:42 |
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| mjones | MouseArea delegates, that is | 12:43 |
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| mjones | ecloud_: I'm afk now. I'll check for changes to test tomorrow | 12:46 |
| ecloud_ | OK I can try that | 12:46 |
| ecloud_ | why is 2-finger flicking important? | 12:46 |
| mjones | people do it | 12:47 |
| ecloud_ | because of having a PinchArea inside, or because users will want to intuitively? | 12:47 |
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| mjones | It's fine if only one makes it move. At the moment it bounces around | 12:47 |
| ecloud_ | and before it only handled mouse events so touches in excess of the one that emulated the mouse would be ignored | 12:48 |
| mjones | Sometimes its misguided pinching. I think mostly that other systems allow it, so they try it | 12:48 |
| mjones | yes, if we simply ignore the touch after a mouse then that will do for now | 12:48 |
| mjones | The running fingers is common for flicking through long lists though | 12:49 |
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| ecloud_ | two fingers together seems to work OK | 12:50 |
| ecloud_ | "running" doesn't build up much velocity | 12:51 |
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| ecloud_ | but the relationship between screen size, resolution and the velocity scaling and limits needs work anyway | 12:53 |
| mjones | yep | 12:53 |
| ecloud_ | do you still feel bad about having touch support in MouseArea? | 12:54 |
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| ecloud_ | if we could get TouchArea done this week maybe that's somehow better... but I was also thinking either way it is handling something more than what its name indicates | 12:55 |
| mjones | I wish we could leave it just handling mouse and implement TouchArea. | 12:55 |
| ecloud_ | if TouchArea handles mouse too, how is that better than having MouseArea also handle touch? | 12:55 |
| mjones | A mouse has buttons and a single pointer. The API doesn't fit touches at all. | 12:56 |
| mjones | But a click of the left mouse button can be considered a touch | 12:56 |
| mjones | for the sake of having something that works across devices | 12:57 |
| AL13N_work | call it *InputArea* instead :-) | 12:57 |
| mjones | Maybe, but perhaps a little too general | 12:58 |
| ecloud_ | yeah too general, input includes keyboards | 12:58 |
| w00t_ | ecloud_: not meaning to sound judgemental or anything.. but why is it worth rushing something for 5.4 if there's a better alternative that can be done for 5.5 with time to spare? | 12:59 |
| ecloud_ | it's not really rushing, this has been in the works for a long time | 13:00 |
| AL13N_work | touch can have multiple coordinates for multiple fungers, and if people run vnc or whatnot, they could actually have a seperate mouse... isn't it therefor better to have a general InputArea ? | 13:00 |
| ecloud_ | "input" means keyboard, tablet, foot pedal, joystick, steering wheel, voice, etc. | 13:01 |
| mjones | PointerArea may be better | 13:01 |
| ecloud_ | and for that IMO we need to refactor the events themselves to have a QPointingEvent | 13:02 |
| ecloud_ | then we could get rid of a lot of duplicate code | 13:02 |
| AL13N_work | that would be great | 13:02 |
| AL13N_work | but maybe too much work | 13:02 |
| ecloud_ | the trouble is that QTouchEvent is a compound event containing multiple touch points | 13:02 |
| mjones | yeah, that was a bad decision | 13:03 |
| ecloud_ | so it makes sense for one touch point to have a common ancestor like QPointingEvent, but touch points are not events in today's architecture... the whole touch gesture is represented by a QTouchEvent | 13:03 |
| w00t_ | ecloud_: if you're talking about pushing a behaviour change in now to meet the feature freeze while admitting that maybe a different type would be better, then to me, that's rushing | 13:03 |
| mjones | makes filtering impossible | 13:03 |
| AL13N_work | sounds like qt needs some adjustments | 13:03 |
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| AL13N_work | or even X or Wayland | 13:04 |
| w00t_ | and yeah, the difference between mouse and touch events is a horrible one | 13:04 |
| ecloud_ | w00t_: just being pragmatic otherwise nothing gets done | 13:04 |
| ecloud_ | and MouseArea is the one already in use everywhere... getting every widget set to switch to TouchArea would be another push | 13:04 |
| AL13N_work | ecloud_: you could have PointerArea and have MouseArea and TouchArea be subclasses | 13:05 |
| ecloud_ | mjones: so you think each touch point should be its own event? I thought maybe there was a reason not to, because sometimes you want to understand that they are all part of one gesture rather than handling each finger separately | 13:05 |
| w00t_ | you're right, but enabling touch on them is still a push, now ;) | 13:06 |
| ecloud_ | currently we don't have a behavior change because the multiTouchEnabled is false by default | 13:06 |
| mjones | ecloud_: I have on occasion wanted to filter out a single touchpoint in an event. Batching them together disallows that | 13:06 |
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| * AL13N_work should just shut up, it's not like he cares that much about it anyway | 13:07 | |
| w00t_ | well, you can still send touch events (or maybe "gesture events" as composite) after sending a pointer event and checking whether or not it's ignored | 13:08 |
| mjones | Whatever happens with MouseArea now, I still want TouchArea to happen, mostly for the scoping | 13:08 |
| w00t_ | ..maybe | 13:08 |
| ecloud_ | ok that's good to know that you don't have a problem with each touch point being an event, because that means we could also treat multiple mice similarly | 13:09 |
| ecloud_ | then there's really not much difference | 13:09 |
| ecloud_ | but maybe someday there will be some hardware or drivers which can distinguish multiple hands, so maybe you'd want to know that a set of touch points belonged to the same user | 13:09 |
| mjones | I don't. Someone else may have a very good reason for the way it is now | 13:10 |
| mjones | true, but I'd use some kind of tag for that | 13:10 |
| ecloud_ | yeah | 13:10 |
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| mjones | ok, I really have to go now | 13:11 |
| ecloud_ | do you think we could get TouchArea done this week? | 13:11 |
| mjones | no | 13:11 |
| ecloud_ | I think if we try to get the Flickable change in first, there is a problem with hitting the mouse emulation path | 13:12 |
| mjones | I think we should take our time and try out a few different ways of doing scoping | 13:12 |
| ecloud_ | that's the main reason MA needs to handle touch | 13:12 |
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| mjones | suits me | 13:13 |
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| rubdos | chem|st, what is mitakuluu? Release 1.0.8? yes, indeed. Is your sister in this channel? We could team up... | 15:48 |
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| attah | kimmoli: it's aaaliiiive! | 18:54 |
| attah | ...and i was only banging my head on the desk for 10 minutes :) | 18:55 |
| kimmoli | ?? | 18:55 |
| kimmoli | why banging? | 18:56 |
| attah | set out to build the rpm and then put it over manually, since i had lost the setup for my phone | 18:56 |
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| kimmoli | aaa | 18:57 |
| attah | but i couldn't get it actually packaged outside of the deployment process | 18:57 |
| attah | probably pebkac | 18:57 |
| kimmoli | ? | 18:57 |
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| kimmoli | i noticed that in some point i did loose .spec file completely | 18:58 |
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| kimmoli | i had only yaml there. which i get rid of. and at same time noticed that spec was not in repo, and made reset hard | 18:58 |
| attah | once i set up my phone in qt creator i saw rpm packaging output.. but not otherwise | 18:58 |
| attah | well i pulled just earlier today | 18:58 |
| kimmoli | hmm. i only use ARM release target, and install rpm over windows share | 18:59 |
| kimmoli | no copying | 18:59 |
| attah | i guess i'll figure out eventually.. but since auto-deployment works just fine.. it's pretty minor imho | 19:00 |
| attah | and the important thing is: it works! | 19:01 |
| attah | and while i haven't done any advanced tests.. it does look to be just what i wanted | 19:02 |
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| kimmoli | good. avoid airflow to sensor. i use it for playing around more than for anything usefull :p | 19:18 |
| attah | airflow? | 19:18 |
| kimmoli | remember that we have dedicated channel for this stuff :p | 19:18 |
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| attah | you mean priv or sailfishos? | 19:19 |
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| kimmoli | ##kimmoli-tohs :p | 19:20 |
| attah | that's news to me xD | 19:20 |
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| inte | sometimes the jolla sound daemon seems to crash | 21:19 |
| inte | i dont have any sounds e.g. in videos, free speaking etc. | 21:20 |
| inte | is that a known bug? | 21:20 |
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