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| ruskie | hmm anyway I can debug why a xmpp account isn't establishing a connection? | 07:51 |
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| chriadam | ruskie: developer mode enabled? | 07:55 |
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| chriadam | obligatory disclaimer: this might kill your cat / destroy your device: in separate terminals, (and they probably need to be privileged), you could try: | 07:57 |
| chriadam | killall telepathy-sasl-signon; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all G_DEBUG=all SASL_SIGNON_PERSIST=1 /usr/libexec/telepathy-sasl-signon | 07:57 |
| chriadam | killall mission-control-5; MC_DEBUG=1 G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all TP_MC_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/mission-control-5 | 07:57 |
| chriadam | killall telepathy-gabble; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all G_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/libexec/telepathy-gabble | 07:57 |
| chriadam | that should give a bunch of debugging about what's going on. | 07:57 |
| ruskie | yeah dev mode neabled since that's the only way one can get a terminal so far | 07:59 |
| ruskie | guess I'll need to copy paste via ssh that... since I'm not tying that on a touch keyboard | 08:00 |
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| tadzik | hrm. I told jolla to allow untrusted apps, now how do I install an .apk I put on the internal storage? | 08:04 |
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| ruskie | I assume you have android support installed? | 08:07 |
| ruskie | I believe just opening the app in filetug should work | 08:08 |
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| tadzik | I have this top rated File Manager from Jolla store, and clicking .apk just shows me its metadata | 08:10 |
| ruskie | look at thu pulley menu once there | 08:11 |
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| tadzik | aye, missed that. Works like a charm, thanks | 08:18 |
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| ruskie | hehe | 08:19 |
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| chem|st | AL13N: I am not sure who is the bitch in this movie but neither optima, care nor fedex had their debut on my screen yet | 08:57 |
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| Jonni | tadzik: and untrusted app setting is only for native apps so it doesnt matter if its on or off for apks, all apk's are always allowed. | 09:24 |
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| tadzik | Jonni: oh, okay | 09:38 |
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| ruskie | well I love having a device where a few shell scripts solve my problem hehe | 10:06 |
| tadzik | :) | 10:06 |
| tadzik | it's like having a real OS on it! Oh, wait | 10:06 |
| ruskie | hehe | 10:06 |
| ruskie | so now I get to pick what SSL client certificate I want loaded(if any) in my browser | 10:07 |
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| tadzik | oh,there's no duckduckgo selectable as a SE in the browser | 10:28 |
| tadzik | is there a Business Reason, or something else? | 10:28 |
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| ruskie | check on together how you can add it | 10:29 |
| ruskie | I just use webcat | 10:29 |
| ruskie | though haven't yet figured out how to set it as the default browser | 10:29 |
| tadzik | wow, that's quite an effort | 10:30 |
| chem|st | http://katalog.we-online.de/pbs/datasheet/760308103204.pdf if we find a retailer, this would make things easier for Qi... | 10:30 |
| stephg | anyone have any issues symlinking cutespotify's local datadir to the sdcard? I've run out of space :/ | 10:31 |
| ruskie | still trying to figure out where I would use wireless charging | 10:31 |
| meklu | at home perhaps? | 10:32 |
| ruskie | not really | 10:33 |
| ruskie | the n900 charger cable is long enough to anywhere where my phone tends to rest | 10:33 |
| chem|st | ruskie: fit an adapter to a generic car-pod | 10:34 |
| ruskie | hmm | 10:34 |
| ruskie | well in car cradle charging would make sense | 10:34 |
| ruskie | to bad I never use my phone while driving | 10:34 |
| ruskie | hehe | 10:34 |
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| ruskie | but that is the first good use of wireless charging that I've seen so far | 10:35 |
| chem|st | ruskie: do you have a prefered place where you put your phone at work/home/car? | 10:35 |
| ruskie | car - in the bag(whatever that is at the time) | 10:35 |
| ruskie | home - somewhere on the table(where it isn't cluttered) | 10:35 |
| ruskie | work - bag or somewhere on the table | 10:36 |
| ruskie | hell even at home it's more often in the bag | 10:36 |
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| meklu | people put their phones in bags? | 10:38 |
| ruskie | I'm using bag here in the general of something I'm lugging around with me at some point of time | 10:38 |
| chem|st | at home I have an are of the size of one of the bigger charging pods where I have my 3 phones... fitting coils to them and put a pod at that place and I basically do not run out of battery... | 10:38 |
| ruskie | it can be a backpack or something else | 10:39 |
| ruskie | no I don't carry my phone in a pocket because a) and this is the most important - don't have pockets on 99% of stuff I wear and b) why would I want to have it protected with a thin fabric instead of a padded bag | 10:40 |
| chem|st | yeah I would probably never put my phone in a bag, at least not with other things, I managed to have not a single scratched screen on SE-W800i, N900, N9 or Jolla in 8 years | 10:40 |
| ruskie | as said bag is something I just refer to as a general carrying utility | 10:41 |
| meklu | the only scratches my phones have ever had have been ground-induced | 10:41 |
| ruskie | usually have a dedicated slot for a mobile device or something | 10:41 |
| meklu | when I've dropped the device | 10:41 |
| ruskie | only scratches I've had on devices were ground or wall induced | 10:42 |
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| ruskie | n5110 throwungi at wall for fun | 10:42 |
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| ruskie | n95 dropped once by accident | 10:42 |
| ruskie | and something similar happend to the n900 a couple of months ago | 10:42 |
| chem|st | ruskie: ah ok, my "bags" do not have that... 6210 was used for streetsoccer at school... | 10:43 |
| Nicd- | I just have enough pockets to carry my phone, wallet and keys in separate ones :P | 10:43 |
| ruskie | and if a bag lacks that I'll generally have some padded case for the device | 10:43 |
| Nicd- | granted, I look like a socially clueless nerd in cargo pants, but it's so convenient :) | 10:45 |
| ruskie | https://www.urbantool.com/en/holsters/style/waist-holster/pocketholster.html <-- this is what I got last year | 10:45 |
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| ruskie | has my keys, wallet, phone and used to have a lot more in there | 10:46 |
| ruskie | used to have a shoulder bag but then my shoulders started to get hurt... | 10:48 |
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| chem|st | found it at rs online for 8.34eur/piece | 11:11 |
| chem|st | why are we buying PalmQi and S3 receivers for +10eur? | 11:12 |
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| tadzik | hmm, is there a gcc package for jolla somewhere? | 12:18 |
| special | do you really want to compile on device? | 12:19 |
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| meklu | the SDK lets you magically compile *something* | 12:20 |
| tadzik | special: I'm mostly curious about how bad would it be :) | 12:20 |
| tadzik | but yeah, I should probably just use the SDK | 12:20 |
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| meklu | I'm not sure if any headers are installed on the device anyway... | 12:21 |
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| special | not unless you install them | 12:21 |
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| gexc | gcc works fine on the phone | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes, of course | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:07 |
| FireFly | Which I'm grateful for | 13:07 |
| gexc | me too | 13:07 |
| FireFly | it'd be even more useful with a keyboard though :p | 13:07 |
| FireFly | ah well, can't have it all | 13:07 |
| gexc | the compiling speed seems reasonable ;-) | 13:09 |
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| chem|st | special: I found generic coils, relatively cheap | 13:11 |
| special | probably highlighting the wrong person | 13:12 |
| chem|st | special: a sry | 13:12 |
| chem|st | sledges: ^^ | 13:12 |
| chem|st | they are meant for manufacturers and come with all electronics built-in | 13:13 |
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| chem|st | and not at a random place like all those galaxy stickers, it is centered in the coil | 13:14 |
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| danielbeck_ | Hello! I published a game in Jolla Harbour. However, I have no jolla phone to test it - only the emulator. I wanted to ask if someone could test the game. | 13:23 |
| danielbeck_ | (In particular, I would like to know if the screen rotation works correctly. I found no way to simulate that in the emulator) | 13:24 |
| danielbeck_ | The game is named "Green Mahjong". It's a solitaire mahjong game. | 13:24 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, installing atm | 13:24 |
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| danielbeck_ | thanks | 13:25 |
| Nicd- | me too | 13:25 |
| danielbeck_ | thanks Nicd- :-) | 13:26 |
| Morpog_PC | rotation doesn't work | 13:26 |
| Morpog_PC | also cover says default cover and looks kinda bland := | 13:26 |
| danielbeck_ | Morpog_PC: doest the screen not rotate, or do the tiles look kind of false? | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | yeah, there's no cover | 13:27 |
| danielbeck_ | I'm not sure waht you mean with default cover - could you send a screenshot? | 13:27 |
| Morpog_PC | doesn't rotate at all | 13:27 |
| danielbeck_ | ah, ok. | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | danielbeck_: have you minimised your app in the emulator? | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | because then you'll see the cover | 13:27 |
| danielbeck_ | I haven't really used jolla yet. I only tryied to port the application on it. What is the cover? | 13:28 |
| Nicd- | http://download.my-symbian.com/Forum_pics/all_cover.jpg | 13:29 |
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| Nicd- | there you can see 4 app covers in the home screen | 13:29 |
| danielbeck_ | Nicd-: 403 Forbidden | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | hm | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | http://www.lowyat.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/jolla-mwc-2014-5.jpg? | 13:29 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, http://abload.de/img/201407031528196xkix.png | 13:29 |
| Morpog_PC | top right is the cover of your app | 13:30 |
| danielbeck_ | ah, ok. | 13:30 |
| Nicd- | it says "Default cover" for me | 13:30 |
| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, localized :) | 13:30 |
| danielbeck_ | Would a screenshot of the application be enought? | 13:30 |
| Morpog_PC | there are 2 ways to do that | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | danielbeck_: you could also just have a logo there | 13:31 |
| Morpog_PC | live screen of the app | 13:31 |
| Morpog_PC | or doind an app cover | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | showing the game state somehow would be nice | 13:31 |
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| danielbeck_ | ok. | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | also maybe an action for starting a new game | 13:31 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe even cover actions | 13:31 |
| tbr | wtf, anyone ever had a problem with a video taken on the jolla not being playable anywhere? | 13:31 |
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| danielbeck_ | I'will look into it. How can I access the screen with the 4 covers? | 13:32 |
| Nicd- | danielbeck_: you can minimise the app in the emulator by swiping from the very left or right edges into the center | 13:32 |
| * tbr tried VLC, libav, mplayer and gstreamer to no avail | 13:32 | |
| Nicd- | if you swipe from the top down, it will close the app | 13:32 |
| LarstiQ | tbr: does it play on the phone? | 13:32 |
| tbr | yes... | 13:32 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, you could ask in #sailfishos for help with rotation | 13:33 |
| danielbeck_ | ok. And finally, Nicd- & Morpog_PC do you know if it is possible to simulate a "screen rotation" in the emulator? | 13:33 |
| Morpog_PC | is that sdl? | 13:33 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe thp could help you with rotation | 13:33 |
| danielbeck_ | No, its a webapp. So I assumed, screen rotation would work. | 13:33 |
| danielbeck_ | But I couldn't test it :-) | 13:34 |
| meklu | I think you need to explicitly specify rotatability | 13:34 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, there are cli commands to change resolution of virtualobox, but not sure if that changes orientation for sailfishos | 13:35 |
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| Morpog_PC | emulator | 13:35 |
| danielbeck_ | OK, thanks :-). I also ask in sailfishos if someone knows how to simulate screen rotation on virtualbox. | 13:36 |
| Morpog_PC | i try, second | 13:36 |
| chem|st | tbr: there was a tjc about that iirc | 13:36 |
| goroboro | danielbeck_: turn your computer over | 13:36 |
| danielbeck_ | Morpog_PC: thanks.-) | 13:36 |
| goroboro | :) | 13:36 |
| danielbeck_ | goroboro: :-) | 13:37 |
| tbr | chem|st: ok, I worked around it now by redoing the clip with my Nexus-7 :-/ | 13:38 |
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| chem|st | tbr: the codec is bogus 8 years old, would be a charm to get a codec state of the art, 10% filesize for same as current quality | 13:41 |
| chem|st | plus like 70% less performance needed iirc | 13:41 |
| chem|st | tbr: do you have the file available somewhere? | 13:41 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, doesn't seem to work :) http://abload.de/img/unbenanntsokre.png | 13:42 |
| chem|st | tbr: and please post on tjc about it or if you know to whom to file the bug directly... | 13:42 |
| tbr | chem|st: later, yes, right now I need to head out soon. | 13:42 |
| danielbeck_ | ah, too bad! still thanks Morpog_PC :-) | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | ahh, coffee.. | 13:43 |
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| danielbeck_ | Does jolla lack some "important" applications? I'm not sure what should be my next project. | 14:08 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, easylist could be a cool porting work | 14:08 |
| Morpog_PC | https://github.com/willemliu/EasyList-Harmattan | 14:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | I loved that one on harmattan | 14:09 |
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| danielbeck_ | Its a todo list application? | 14:09 |
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| Morpog_PC | yes, and you can sync the list online | 14:10 |
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| danielbeck_ | I already made a shopping list application with sync. | 14:10 |
| Morpog_PC | so anyone in your family opens a website in a browser, adds stuff to the list and you can sync it to your device | 14:10 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, for sailfishos? | 14:10 |
| danielbeck_ | it's a webapp. For firefox and android. | 14:10 |
| danielbeck_ | http://daniel-beck.org/einkaufsliste/#firstStartPage | 14:10 |
| danielbeck_ | For the moment, it's in german... | 14:11 |
| Morpog_PC | Not a problem for me :) | 14:11 |
| CoderCandy | Hey, I'm on my way to finland! | 14:11 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah, sounds like the same idea | 14:11 |
| CoderCandy | I'm also homeless for this cruise. | 14:11 |
| danielbeck_ | But if there is interest for this, I could make that one on sailfishos. It would not be a lot of work. | 14:12 |
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| Morpog_PC | I would love ypu for that | 14:12 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 14:12 |
| danielbeck_ | oh :-) | 14:12 |
| danielbeck_ | in that case, I must do it! | 14:12 |
| Morpog_PC | but would be great if it uses QML for it ;) | 14:13 |
| Morpog_PC | so we get the nice sailfishos style | 14:13 |
| Morpog_PC | give me a ping if you need an icon for it | 14:13 |
| danielbeck_ | mhm. I really didn't want to look into QML for the moment, because of the time spent to learn a new technologie. | 14:14 |
| danielbeck_ | Morpog_PC: ok. :-) | 14:14 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, well, everyone says it'S easy to use and learn | 14:14 |
| Morpog_PC | even I did some basic stuff with it and I suck at coding :D | 14:14 |
| goroboro | heh... yeah the qml side is pretty basic... but as soon as you start wanting to do stuff in the backend things get a lot more complicated | 14:15 |
| goroboro | you can build some pretty neat apps with just qml and javascript though | 14:15 |
| goroboro | it will probably take you all of 2-3 days to get relatively comfortable with it | 14:16 |
| goroboro | its not a very steep learning curve | 14:16 |
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| Morpog_PC | plus you can reuse your qml skills in ubuntu touch then :) | 14:17 |
| goroboro | heh | 14:17 |
| danielbeck_ | :-) | 14:17 |
| goroboro | wrong channel :P | 14:17 |
| Morpog_PC | and android, ios, desktop :D | 14:17 |
| Morpog_PC | qt is everywhere | 14:18 |
| danielbeck_ | I din't know thet it works on android and ios too. | 14:18 |
| danielbeck_ | I really like javascript and HTML, because it lets you make applications very fast. | 14:19 |
| Morpog_PC | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/android-support.html | 14:19 |
| Morpog_PC | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/ios-support.html | 14:19 |
| goroboro | danielbeck_: you will probably enjoy qml and javascript then... its not such a huge stretch | 14:20 |
| danielbeck_ | I also read that the javascript engine is QML isn't that good. I like to write my code very object oriented and use closures everywhere. | 14:20 |
| danielbeck_ | ok. | 14:20 |
| danielbeck_ | I will think about it :-). For the moment, I'm quite happy with HTML/javascript. | 14:21 |
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| goroboro | download the sdk and do the First App tutorial and the start messing around a bit... you'll probably find that you're pretty natural at it | 14:21 |
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| goroboro | agreed that there seem to be some limitations with javascript and qml... I haven't worked out how to do a load of things that I would be able to do in a web app... but that just may be my own understanding of how this all fits together | 14:22 |
| Morpog_PC | there will be a new javascript engine in future qt versions iirc | 14:23 |
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| danielbeck_ | I think, I will first check the amount of interest the mahjong application (and the reminder list-application) will generate. That will decide, how much effort I will put into creating an application with QML for sailfish. | 14:24 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: it won't change the API though, just the internals | 14:24 |
| Nicd- | writing javascript isn't that much different in Qt, the biggest thing is that you can't create global vars | 14:24 |
| danielbeck_ | I developed for several years applications with Java and swing which nobody uses :-) | 14:24 |
| Nicd- | but that doesn't really matter | 14:24 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, well keep in mind sailfishos doesn't have that many users yet | 14:25 |
| Morpog_PC | i guess around 30000 - 40000 devices out there | 14:26 |
| danielbeck_ | Morpog_PC: 30000-40000 is ok. it also depends how involved the community is and so on. | 14:27 |
| danielbeck_ | For example: the mahjong game generates a lot of interest on firefoxos. Thats really nice, it makes developing it fun. | 14:28 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, you already have 50+ downloads and 5 likes for mahjong | 14:29 |
| Morpog_PC | and 3 comments | 14:29 |
| FireFly | Oh, I forgot about that | 14:29 |
| * FireFly tries it | 14:30 | |
| danielbeck_ | Thats quite a lot. | 14:31 |
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| danielbeck_ | I also published it in the Chrome Web store. However, 2 month passed and the app was only downloaded 11 time. | 14:32 |
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| danielbeck_ | There are already something like 200 mahjong apps in the chrome web store. So, at the end, I even don't know if it works for the users who installed the app. | 14:33 |
| stephg | ooh mahjong? | 14:33 |
| danielbeck_ | stephg: yeah, in the harbour store. But screen orientation don't work yet, I will fix is late this evening. | 14:34 |
| stephg | cool | 14:34 |
| danielbeck_ | :-) | 14:35 |
| FireFly | Yeah, that would be nice. Also, scrolling horizontally seems to be a bit icky | 14:35 |
| danielbeck_ | What happens when you scroll horizontally? | 14:35 |
| FireFly | when I drag to the right I see through to my background to the left | 14:35 |
| FireFly | I'll take a screenshot | 14:35 |
| FireFly | Oh, also, needs a cover :p | 14:35 |
| friese | hi guys. i've left my jolla unattended today and someone tried entering my pin-code and got it wrong 10 times, now my jolla just says permanent locked | 14:36 |
| friese | i can still ssh in and get root privileges, any hopes there? | 14:36 |
| special | Jonni: ^ | 14:36 |
| danielbeck_ | FireFly: yes, it will get a cover, too :-) | 14:37 |
| FireFly | http://i.imgur.com/APV3Vd2.png this is if I hold and drag right | 14:38 |
| tadzik | friese: shouldn't it start asking for PUK? | 14:38 |
| friese | tadzik: i mean the device lock pin, not the sim lock pin | 14:38 |
| tadzik | or do you mean the device locking code | 14:38 |
| tadzik | aha | 14:38 |
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| danielbeck_ | FireFly: what should happen when you hold and drag right? | 14:39 |
| Morpog_PC | FireFly, I guess thats because it's a webapp | 14:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, Iguess nothing | 14:39 |
| FireFly | It'd be nice if it stopped once it reaches the board edge | 14:39 |
| FireFly | Morpog_PC: I guess, but vertically nothing happens | 14:40 |
| danielbeck_ | mhm, I don't really know why it doesn't stop horizontally. | 14:40 |
| FireFly | Ah well | 14:40 |
| FireFly | Also, that reminds me to try to make a non-solitaire mahjong app | 14:41 |
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| Acce | FireFly: Please do, that would be awesome | 14:41 |
| danielbeck_ | FireFly: if you want to make a non solitaire mahjong app, contact me. I could support you with artwork. | 14:42 |
| FireFly | Oh, nice | 14:42 |
| FireFly | I'll keep that in mind | 14:42 |
| danielbeck_ | I'm not that often in the irc. If you use Google+, You can contact me there. | 14:43 |
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| danielbeck_ | OK, I have to go. ciao! | 14:45 |
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| friese | ok, found it myself: if you've locked your device permanently but still ahve ssh access & know the old code: just execute /usr/lib/qt5/plugins/devicelock/encpartition --clear-code <old-code> and your device lock is gone :) | 14:54 |
| Nicd- | nice | 14:54 |
| Nicd- | this should be documented somewhere | 14:54 |
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| Jonni | friese: yes, with ssh access thats the right way to unset the code. | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening | 17:00 |
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| tadzik | hmm, my jolla refuses to connect to Mobile Data | 17:57 |
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| tadzik | the switch in the settings app is like blacked out, and tapping it doesn't do anything | 17:57 |
| tadzik | I can go to the Mobile Network settings, but even if I enable the checkbox, it still goes back to disabled when I close it and open it again | 17:58 |
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| Jase | tadzik, mine's been doing that couple of times lately also | 18:00 |
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| Jase | restarting the phone fixes it | 18:00 |
| Jase | dunno what's the cause | 18:00 |
| tadzik | :\ | 18:01 |
| Jase | doesnt affect wlan whatever the problem is | 18:02 |
| tadzik | yeah | 18:03 |
| tadzik | well, the device reboots quickly, I gotta admit, but it still sucks | 18:03 |
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| cb400f | installed the optional connman update? | 18:06 |
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| Jase | cb400f, I read about that today on tjc.. you think it might help? | 18:07 |
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| cb400f | don't see why it would, if the problem arose recently | 18:08 |
| cb400f | just looking for reasons why the problem would suddenly occur | 18:09 |
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| Jase | it's weird.. I havent installed anything new or changed settings. The only big problems Ive had till now was that my sim card got disconnected and the phone kept rebooting after calls | 18:13 |
| Jase | first one I fixed with a needle, the second one with tape | 18:13 |
| Jase | this seems to be a software problem | 18:13 |
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| Nicd- | Jase: you can also try 'devel-su systemctl restart connman' | 18:14 |
| Nicd- | that fixes connection issues for me usually | 18:14 |
| suosaaski | does anyone know if there is a difference between a nexus 5 bought from germany or finland? | 18:15 |
| Jase | Nicd-, thanks, Ill try that next time | 18:17 |
| Acce | restarting connman didn't help to the lost mobile network problem the last time I tried it | 18:17 |
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| Acce | maybe something goes wrong with how the sim card is registered to the network | 18:18 |
| Jase | Acce, is there some way to verify if thst happens? | 18:20 |
| Acce | I don't know | 18:20 |
| Acce | Maybe someone else here knows how to re-register to the network? | 18:21 |
| Acce | should restarting connman do that? it doesn't ask for pin code at least | 18:21 |
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| inz | insmat flip case and camera flash dont seem to play along nicely | 18:59 |
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| joakleaf | Have a sdcard persmission problem. I do not have write permission to my sdcard when mounted in my jolla phone. Owner and group is set to system. Anyone with the same problem? | 19:07 |
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| coderus | vote pleaseee! https://together.jolla.com/question/49418/please-add-amr-audio-encoder-to-camera-capabilities/ | 19:47 |
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| Hartzi | voted | 19:56 |
| stephg | ditto | 19:57 |
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| CosmicDuck | Hi, is it possible to get a podcast app from the jolla store or elsewere? | 20:28 |
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| tadzik | yes | 20:32 |
| tadzik | on the openrepos.net there is gpodder for sailfish | 20:32 |
| tadzik | you have to download Warehouse from there, it's kind of their app installer | 20:32 |
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| CosmicDuck | ok. Another problem which does not exitst on my linux pc: if i try to surf to blog.qpodder.org with the browser app I get only an "Server not found" error. No problem in my iceweasel on my debian pc. If I try to surf to qpodder.org i'm redirected to yeastradio.com. Also no problem with my pcs webbrowser and catch qpodders web site. Any idea why? | 20:41 |
| Eztran | Do other sites work for you in the browser app? | 20:45 |
| CosmicDuck | I checked with getent hosts qpodder.org on jolla phone the ip address which is 69.163.241.161. Same ip with nslookup or host on my pc. | 20:46 |
| CosmicDuck | uh i tried host and get alias names...maybe bad for the web browser in jolla :-( | 20:47 |
| Eztran | I get a not found from blog.qpodder.org anyway. | 20:48 |
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| CosmicDuck | oh whats now, ip has been changed. | 20:48 |
| Eztran | Well, it certainly doesn't appear to be the device, at least. | 20:49 |
| CosmicDuck | yes i can surf to google, ebay but it looks like both see an mobile web browser. The shown site is different from my old N900 web browser. | 20:50 |
| Yaniel | yes, the sailfish browser is identified as mobile | 20:51 |
| Eztran | That'll be based on the user agent. N900 acted as a desktop browser. | 20:51 |
| CosmicDuck | ich@rechner:~$ host gpodder.org | 20:51 |
| CosmicDuck | gpodder.org has address 178.77.79.64 | 20:51 |
| CosmicDuck | ;; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet. | 20:51 |
| CosmicDuck | gpodder.org mail is handled by 50 mail.thp.io. | 20:51 |
| CosmicDuck | ich@host:~/tmp$ host blog.gpodder.org | 20:52 |
| CosmicDuck | blog.gpodder.org is an alias for ghs.google.com. | 20:52 |
| CosmicDuck | ghs.google.com is an alias for ghs.l.google.com. | 20:52 |
| CosmicDuck | ghs.l.google.com has address 173.194.70.121 | 20:52 |
| CosmicDuck | ghs.l.google.com has IPv6 address 2a00:1450:4001:c02::79 | 20:52 |
| CosmicDuck | ugh | 20:52 |
| Eztran | You might want to pastebin/etc these? | 20:52 |
| Eztran | but, you said qpodder.org earlier, now you're looking at gpodder.org? Are these supposed to be different sites? | 20:52 |
| CosmicDuck | is there a full web browser available instead of the crap tool | 20:53 |
| Eztran | define 'full'. | 20:53 |
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| CosmicDuck | i want to download the tgz from there. But both are not working from my phone. At the moment I've no way to copy the files to my phone. | 20:55 |
| CosmicDuck | like firefox | 20:55 |
| CosmicDuck | or the one in N900 | 20:55 |
| CosmicDuck | forgotten the name | 20:55 |
| Yaniel | well there is webcat in the app store | 20:56 |
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| Yaniel | but the builtin browser can download files just fine | 20:56 |
| FireFly | The sailfish browser should be able to download stuff | 20:57 |
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| FireFly | You can use the apk version of Firefox or Opera Mobile or something if you want | 20:57 |
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| pdanek1 | Which phone do you think is most innovative by hardware in last 2 years? | 21:01 |
| pdanek1 | Or last 3. | 21:01 |
| Eztran | hardware-wise? Tricky... | 21:02 |
| CosmicDuck | robustness of my n900 is great... | 21:02 |
| pdanek1 | How is N900 hardware innovative? | 21:02 |
| pdanek1 | I loved N900, but there is no innovation. | 21:02 |
| CosmicDuck | 20 throws to street, beton, horse stamps and is still working | 21:02 |
| Eztran | These days, keyboard. Bit depressing that that could be enough in itself. | 21:03 |
| CosmicDuck | keyboard slide | 21:03 |
| pdanek1 | Yea, it was a tank for me as well, but so are many other phones. | 21:03 |
| CosmicDuck | I miss it on my jolla | 21:03 |
| CosmicDuck | linux phone | 21:03 |
| pdanek1 | Keyboard on N900 was amazing, but not innovative, nothing new, many phones had such or better before. | 21:03 |
| pdanek1 | I mean some real innovation HW-wise. | 21:03 |
| Eztran | Wasn't then, unfortunately it is moreso now. | 21:04 |
| Eztran | And yeah, I'm thinking, and can't really think of anything that interesting recently. | 21:04 |
| CosmicDuck | So I've donate for a neo900 mainboard. | 21:04 |
| Eztran | =.5" screen, -2mm thickness is not innovation, but it's what we're getting. | 21:04 |
| CosmicDuck | All hw specs are free for coding | 21:04 |
| Eztran | I meant +.5", my bad. | 21:05 |
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| pdanek1 | right | 21:05 |
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| CosmicDuck | Ther is no really new kill features in phones any more since iphone has been sold | 21:06 |
| pdanek1 | I can't think of any real innovation, only sizes and specs getting better. | 21:06 |
| pdanek1 | yea | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | wireless charging | 21:06 |
| pdanek1 | Yaniel: last 2-3 years | 21:07 |
| CosmicDuck | bah, energy wasting | 21:07 |
| pdanek1 | Palm Pre brought us wireless charging long time ago | 21:07 |
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| CosmicDuck | < 80 % effency- the rest heats my head | 21:08 |
| CosmicDuck | ;-) | 21:08 |
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| Yaniel | hmm? possible, I don't follow the scene much | 21:08 |
| Eztran | Why are you charging your phone next to your head? :P | 21:08 |
| Yaniel | anyway yeah, nobody seems to even try to actually make a better phone | 21:08 |
| Yaniel | better as in more useful | 21:08 |
| pdanek1 | Yaniel: Palm Pre was released in 2009, it's a shame that manufacturers adopted wireless charging so late since then. | 21:09 |
| pdanek1 | So rather catching what should have been done already than innovation. | 21:09 |
| Eztran | one point: what would actually improve a mobile device in hardware? | 21:10 |
| CosmicDuck | sh****, with Webcat it looks like the same as with the internal broweser. It is not possible to browse to qpodder.org website. | 21:10 |
| pdanek1 | Eztran: if I know that, I'd be rich | 21:10 |
| Eztran | CosmicDuck: weren't you looking for gpodder.org? That's not the same site... | 21:10 |
| pdanek1 | someone needs to innovate to find this out | 21:10 |
| pdanek1 | :P | 21:10 |
| pdanek1 | I think we're in post-smartphone era. | 21:11 |
| Eztran | Well, they're certainly playing it safe, but we don't know what ideas were thrown out in R&D. | 21:11 |
| pdanek1 | I believe the biggest innovation or revolution can be Google Ara. | 21:12 |
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| pdanek1 | Or not... but at least something different. | 21:12 |
| Eztran | Well, I've gotta admit I gave it no more thought than any other modular phone idea. Still, at least it's getting the funding. | 21:13 |
| CosmicDuck | same issue on my neo900 microb browser. Also midori browser. | 21:13 |
| CosmicDuck | what's the paket application part in sailfish? on maemo it was apt-get. on jolla? | 21:13 |
| Eztran | CosmicDuck: pkcon, mainly. | 21:14 |
| CosmicDuck | ah looks like rpm | 21:15 |
| FireFly | CosmicDuck: did you try one of the android browsers? like Fx or Opera | 21:15 |
| Eztran | Sailfish is RPM-based, yeah. | 21:15 |
| Eztran | qpodder.org is just a redirect anyway. Does it not redirect, or what? | 21:15 |
| Scelt | Aard: yo, is the connman opt-in included in the next main update? | 21:18 |
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| Aard | Scelt: yes | 21:39 |
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| Scelt | Aard: thx | 21:39 |
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| CosmicDuck | hmm, have installed habour warehouse but no qpodder is in the store...:-( | 21:40 |
| Scelt | I guess someone said that.it will.come out erly July sowaiting for.it :) | 21:40 |
| Scelt | next.update i mean | 21:40 |
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| Aard | Scelt: not this week :) | 21:41 |
| Eztran | CosmicDuck: gpodder, however, is. | 21:41 |
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| Eztran | ( https://openrepos.net/content/thp/gpodder ) | 21:42 |
| CosmicDuck | ah, saw only the updates... | 21:42 |
| CosmicDuck | it's a little bit not intuitive as the other apps | 21:42 |
| Scelt | Aard: yeah. next then :) just thought.about connman opt9in but I rther just wait | 21:43 |
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| CosmicDuck | Hmm, I can see only updates...looks like I'm blient and to tired | 21:47 |
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| Eztran | Should just be able to hit 'Enable Repository' then 'Install' on the app page. The link a bit above also has an RPM link. | 21:53 |
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| CosmicDuck | yep, i though i can use the warehouse....but it's not in...will try to use rpm instead | 22:03 |
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