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| HtheB | guys, is there a way to clear the phone call log (within the terminal)? | 07:16 |
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| HtheB | guys, is there a way to clear the phone call log (within the terminal)? | 07:18 |
| rZr | check ophono scripts | 07:24 |
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| rZr | i think one of them is doing that | 07:24 |
| rZr | rpm -ql ofono | 07:24 |
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| HtheB | thnx! | 07:26 |
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| rangoy | is there any way to see older call log entries for one contact? | 07:32 |
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| TMavica | is some android game that need data file manully placing, not work of that? | 08:32 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: yours arrived yet? | 08:51 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: no, it's planned for tomorrow, hold on, i'll go check | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, it looks like it's already in .be ... why would it have to wait for tomorrow then? it was in .be this morning | 09:28 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: lemme know if you hear something... i wonder what kind of resolution this issue will have | 09:29 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: will do | 09:56 |
| w00t_ | AL13N_work: shipping something? | 09:57 |
| chem|st | w00t_: we are on about FedEx fwsckups | 09:57 |
| w00t_ | heh | 09:57 |
| w00t_ | their tracking can be a little strange | 09:57 |
| chem|st | mine is missing since last Wed, the one and only scan was the pickup-scan on dispatch | 09:58 |
| chem|st | w00t_: and not the tracking is strange, the places where packages have been on their world-holiday-roundtrip | 09:59 |
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| AL13N_work | yes | 10:16 |
| AL13N_work | but i think i'm in the clear now, since mine is in .be | 10:17 |
| AL13N_work | well, at least i'll probably not be fedex anymore locally | 10:17 |
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| meklu | just wait until they ship it to luxembourg and back | 10:19 |
| meklu | I wouldn't be surprised at this point | 10:19 |
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| ruskie | hmmm so mail and weather sync at 30 minutes tend to slurp up battery quite a bit... or is it just me... | 10:23 |
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| AL13N_work | meklu: i already had fi -> fr -> fi -> se -> fr -> be | 10:38 |
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| ruskie | wow | 10:38 |
| AL13N_work | meklu: plus, i already heard from one who passed by china... and probably there were import+export costs | 10:38 |
| ruskie | fun | 10:38 |
| ruskie | must say mine just got stuck for a day in paris | 10:39 |
| AL13N_work | i got an sms that it would be delivered today (instead of tomorrow) | 10:39 |
| AL13N_work | so, i'm not complaining | 10:39 |
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| meklu | thank goodness I live in Finland | 10:43 |
| meklu | I ordered it last Thursday and it was at the local post office on Monday | 10:44 |
| meklu | although the bloody place closed while I was still at work | 10:44 |
| ruskie | hmm I ordered on a friday and it was here on thursday(it was only processed on monday) | 10:44 |
| meklu | so I only got to pick it up yesterday | 10:44 |
| meklu | mine was processed on Friday | 10:45 |
| meklu | although I only got the delivery notice on Monday :b | 10:45 |
| Nicd- | meklu: which series did you get? (reads behind your battery, something like 12-2013) | 10:45 |
| kimmoli | oh, optima was fast | 10:45 |
| kimmoli | dropped it to their service yesterday before 16:00, today 12:00 got sms that it is ready | 10:46 |
| meklu | Nicd-: not quite sure... | 10:46 |
| AL13N_work | meklu: ah, you bought a jolla? | 10:47 |
| meklu | yup | 10:48 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: i think i got 11-2013 | 10:48 |
| meklu | 01-2014 | 10:48 |
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| Nicd- | I have 11-2013 too | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | meklu: my friend bought one a couple of months ago, got 12-2013 | 10:48 |
| AL13N_work | in shop or online? | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | hope they've got some hw kinks out in 1-2014 | 10:49 |
| meklu | jolla's own online thing | 10:49 |
| ruskie | 01-2014 here iirc was on the box as well | 10:49 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: i hope my hw kinks are now fixed, when i get it later today | 10:50 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: i guess they are not shipping the oldest first, but randomly pick one | 10:50 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: packages going on travel through a chinese hub will not be taxed unless they leave the hub | 11:06 |
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| chem|st | Nicd-: I had one from the first batch and had no hw kinks apart of a broken vibrator | 11:10 |
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| Nicd- | chem|st: well that would be quite a situation indeed if ALL the first batch devices were faulty :P | 11:26 |
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| tadzik | hello | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | hello hello | 11:30 |
| tadzik | hey, long time no see | 11:30 |
| tadzik | my jolla just arrived, I thought I'll hop in | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | congrats :) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | hope you'll enjoy it | 11:31 |
| tadzik | well, couple of things seem broken so far :P But the overall experience for the last 15 minutes is pretty good | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | did you upgrade your device first? | 11:33 |
| tadzik | the system update has just popped in | 11:34 |
| tadzik | but the wifi keeps dropping | 11:34 |
| AL13N_work | i suppose there needs to be several upgrades? | 11:34 |
| AL13N_work | what kind of version is shipped? | 11:34 |
| tadzik | it's .2.5 now | 11:34 |
| tadzik | it's going to update to .7.16 | 11:35 |
| special | should be offering you the update to 1.0.7, then | 11:35 |
| special | which is the latest. | 11:35 |
| tadzik | that sounds like quite a lot of versions | 11:35 |
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| AL13N_work | nice | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | directly to the last one | 11:35 |
| tadzik | so I was not on second-last, heh | 11:35 |
| tadzik | that explains a lot of things, potentially | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | the new version has alot of new features, including 4G | 11:35 |
| tadzik | yeah, it says so | 11:36 |
| AL13N_work | but even all the battery charge and wifi fixes from the releases in between you'll get those too | 11:36 |
| tadzik | if the wifi manages to stay up for the time to download the update, heh :) | 11:36 |
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| special | a *lot* of things have improved since update2 :) | 11:37 |
| AL13N_work | try to move closer to the ap | 11:37 |
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| AL13N_work | just for the duration of the download | 11:37 |
| inz | I also just got myself some jolla love just a couple of days ago | 11:37 |
| AL13N_work | inz and, how is it? | 11:37 |
| AL13N_work | inz you upgraded to the latest one, right? | 11:37 |
| inz | AL13N_work, yes, installed all upgrades it has offered | 11:38 |
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| inz | AL13N_work, it's really weird, but in a good way =) | 11:38 |
| tadzik | I switched from the N900, everything is so smooth | 11:38 |
| inz | Me too | 11:38 |
| AL13N_work | inz: thank the gods for the tutorial, huh? | 11:38 |
| tadzik | well, I probably wouldn't have done that if both n900s didn't die on my like they had a killswitch | 11:38 |
| inz | AL13N_work, I guess it helped, although during it I was only thinking "how do I get rid of this" | 11:39 |
| AL13N_work | haha | 11:39 |
| AL13N_work | well, it doesn't take long | 11:39 |
| tadzik | the tutorial actually hides something in the process | 11:39 |
| AL13N_work | the tutorial does explain how to get rid of it :-) | 11:39 |
| tadzik | it tells you about a pull-down menu and hides there | 11:39 |
| tadzik | I was like "ha, there you are!" | 11:40 |
| tadzik | it was nice | 11:40 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 11:40 |
| Yaniel | hmm | 11:40 |
| * pdanek misses his N900 so much | 11:40 | |
| tadzik | I miss the keyboard :/ | 11:40 |
| AL13N_work | i found the "you're too far, it was the one before" pulley menu item from the tutorial | 11:40 |
| inz | My N900 was actually still "working," but upgraded nevertheless | 11:40 |
| inz | (the display was badly cracked) | 11:41 |
| AL13N_work | that was the funnyets | 11:41 |
| Yaniel | so how am I supposed to get caldav to sync? | 11:41 |
| Yaniel | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'caldav-sync' | 11:41 |
| Yaniel | ^ just prints "boolean true" | 11:41 |
| AL13N_work | i hear "sync or reboot" for caldav issues | 11:42 |
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| inz | tadzik, I do miss the keyboard, but less than I thought I would | 11:44 |
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| AL13N_work | luckily the fingerterm has excellent keyboard | 11:44 |
| inz | tadzik, fingerterm helps a lot there =) | 11:44 |
| inz | AL13N_work, indeed. | 11:44 |
| AL13N_work | i miss my jolla | 11:44 |
| tadzik | I wonder how will I be changing tabs in weechat/tmux on that | 11:44 |
| pdanek | Swype on Sailfish OS, the hype! | 11:44 |
| AL13N_work | like when i'm watching my STB and i need to do some maintenance | 11:44 |
| AL13N_work | i don't really need swype | 11:45 |
| meklu | swype looks terrible | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: fingerterm has gesture mode, you can swipe left/right to change buffer | 11:46 |
| meklu | I wouldn't trust it to pick up the right characters | 11:46 |
| tadzik | Nicd-: can you configure what those swipes shoudld send? | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | yay, it's back | 11:47 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: yes | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | from .config/FingerTerm/settings.ini | 11:48 |
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| tadzik | Nicd-: awesome | 11:50 |
| tadzik | btw, what does the star on the wifi notification mean? | 11:50 |
| tadzik | "wifi available?" | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | I think so | 11:50 |
| tadzik | so, in other words, "I dropped the wifi and didn't tell you" | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | that too | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | I just don't use wifi at all as it's so buggy currently :< | 11:50 |
| TemeV | tadzik: for mee it seems to be "connected to wifi, but no internet" | 11:51 |
| meklu | I've had wifi work pretty decently | 11:51 |
| pdanek | Nicd-: gesture mode in fingerterm? how to enabe it? | 11:51 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: from the menu | 11:51 |
| TemeV | e.g. when you have to login for the wifi, it shows the star before logging in | 11:52 |
| TemeV | and normal symbol after | 11:52 |
| Nicd- | there's options "gesture", "scroll" and "select" | 11:52 |
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| pdanek | Nicd-: aaaah, how could I miss it | 11:53 |
| pdanek | thanks | 11:53 |
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| AL13N_work | ah crap, i forgot my sim and sd at home | 11:59 |
| AL13N_work | well, i can at least register and update to latest i guess, (unless if already is) | 11:59 |
| ruskie | is there a way to use google's calendar either caldav or ical sub somehow? I tried caldav but that needs oauth and doesn't seem to work and I don't want to add a google account to my device | 12:00 |
| special | ruskie: you can add a google account and only enable the calendar features | 12:00 |
| tadzik | hmm, can I convince jolla with only stock set of apps installed to connect to the internet through the usb cable? | 12:01 |
| stephg | tadzik: probably only if you enable developer mode | 12:02 |
| tbr | tadzik: only in dev mode | 12:02 |
| tadzik | hm. When I say "enable developer mode" it sits there and shows a "I'm working" bar, is it downloading something? | 12:03 |
| AL13N_work | the store login, was the the username/password or email/password? | 12:03 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: afaik yes | 12:03 |
| Nicd- | it downloads the dev mode packages | 12:03 |
| tadzik | sounds reasonable | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_work: username/pass for me (jolla account) | 12:04 |
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| tadzik | I am a bit confused about jolla store user/pass vs jolla shop user/pass | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | sadly two different things | 12:05 |
| tadzik | I assumed so, as the latter didn't have a username | 12:05 |
| ruskie | special, according to the info on the screen it wants to do it all... doesn't give me a choice and I don't plan on logging in until I can preset that... since the only google account I have is work related and I don't need work contacts on my personal devices | 12:07 |
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| special | ruskie: after you sign in, you should get a dialog that lets you select email/IM/contacts/calendar | 12:07 |
| special | 90% sure that's working in update 7, maybe someone else here can confirm | 12:08 |
| ruskie | well the text describing what will happen doesn't state I would have much of an option to change this | 12:09 |
| ruskie | or maybe I'm just poorly reading it | 12:09 |
| special | is it google's oauth page? or ToS? | 12:09 |
| special | I believe we request all of the same oauth scopes regardless of which features you enable (because oauth is done before you select the features) | 12:10 |
| ruskie | in the ToS page | 12:10 |
| ruskie | before you get to the oauth page | 12:10 |
| ruskie | I can give it a try | 12:11 |
| ruskie | at most will just have the delete a bunch of ppl I guess | 12:11 |
| ruskie | I assume there is no sync the other way | 12:11 |
| special | after you sign in and allow oauth, you should see a page with the account settings and switches for each of those services | 12:12 |
| special | disable the ones you don't want before accepting that dialog | 12:12 |
| ruskie | ok will give it a shot | 12:12 |
| ruskie | well it now shows me the app wants to do the following | 12:13 |
| ruskie | I assume there are settings after I accept this? | 12:13 |
| special | yes | 12:13 |
| special | that's google's oauth permissions | 12:13 |
| ruskie | I have the option to disable IM, email and sharing | 12:14 |
| ruskie | don't see anything else | 12:14 |
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| special | ok, if it doesn't ask about contacts you might want to abort so I don't screw up your life ;) | 12:15 |
| special | maybe that wasn't added in update 7.. | 12:15 |
| ruskie | nah you wouldn't screw up much... | 12:16 |
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| special | moment | 12:16 |
| ruskie | would be easier if the caldav add account would handle this gracefuly | 12:16 |
| special | maybe it does? I don't know | 12:17 |
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| ruskie | nope | 12:17 |
| ruskie | doesn't handle the oath | 12:17 |
| ruskie | atleast when I tried to add that way | 12:17 |
| special | ah, well, if you want oauth it needs to go as a google account. No real way around that. | 12:18 |
| special | I guess those toggles weren't in update 7 | 12:18 |
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| ruskie | well I don't want oauth | 12:19 |
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| ruskie | but google doesn't allow any other way | 12:19 |
| special | update 8 lets you disable contact sync and all for google accounts | 12:19 |
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| ruskie | hehe my cellco would like to charge me 3eur/month for LTE... after I'm already paying them 7 or so eur/month for 300mb 3g... haha | 12:22 |
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| tadzik | :o | 12:23 |
| AL13N_work | i pay 15EUR for 2GB + calls/sms | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: upgraded yet? :P | 12:23 |
| ruskie | I pay 7eur for basic phone/sms service | 12:23 |
| AL13N_work | rather, i pay 15EUR for calls, and get 2GB data with it | 12:23 |
| ruskie | 50 minutes or so | 12:23 |
| ruskie | calls | 12:23 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: I gave up on upgrading and I'm trying to make it enable developer mode, it's probably smaller ;) | 12:23 |
| ruskie | then extra package for 300mb 3g | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: hmm | 12:23 |
| ruskie | with just a speed downgrade if I go abvoe | 12:24 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: I'm monitoring Data Counters and it seems to be fetching about 1MB per minute | 12:24 |
| tadzik | (no typo) | 12:24 |
| AL13N_work | tadzik: no wifi? | 12:24 |
| tadzik | AL13N_work: I am on wifi | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: i'd personally factory reset, connect to a wifi that seems stable, upgrade.. | 12:24 |
| tadzik | frankly, I don't have a mini-sim yet :P | 12:24 |
| AL13N_work | i cut mine | 12:24 |
| AL13N_work | that worked pretty well | 12:24 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: factory reset? I took if out of the box less than an hour ago | 12:24 |
| special | tadzik: fwiw we've been improving connectivity and wifi since update 2 too :p | 12:24 |
| tadzik | you think I broke it already? | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_work: 12 € per month here (FI) would get you 2M unlimited data with 250 mins of calls and 25 sms IIRC | 12:25 |
| tadzik | special: good to know :) | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | nah, but i would just recommend just upgrading asap | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
| tadzik | will do that :) | 12:25 |
| AL13N_work | 2mbps? | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | yes | 12:25 |
| meklu | 21? | 12:25 |
| tadzik | my plan was to go developer mode and then connect it to the internet through the usb cable | 12:25 |
| meklu | Mb != MB | 12:26 |
| Nicd- | I know | 12:26 |
| ruskie | hmm I have 2 xmpp accounts on my jolla(personal and work(gtalk)) but I can only control one in the notification screen under presence... | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: weren't you in warsaw or do i remember wrong? | 12:26 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: you remember correctly | 12:26 |
| Nicd- | I meant 2Mb as that's how you measure network speed usually | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: if you don't have it solved by monday i'll personally service your device | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:26 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: okay :) | 12:26 |
| tadzik | now _that_ is customer support | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.2.5 is just a pain in the ass :) | 12:27 |
| tadzik | but the swiping is so smooth <3 | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:27 |
| tadzik | (signed, a diehard n900 fan) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | it gets much better in later updates | 12:27 |
| ruskie | only shows my personal one under controlled services... yet I'm getting messages from the other one(which I'd like to set to offline) | 12:27 |
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| Yaniel | I'm just annoyed that it resets the swipe from top to close -setting at every boot | 12:28 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: well, 1.0.2.5 has a bit of a bootstraping problem now :) | 12:28 |
| special | ruskie: you're getting messages from an account not listed in presence? are you sure..? | 12:28 |
| ruskie | yeah | 12:28 |
| ruskie | 100% sure | 12:28 |
| Yaniel | is there some dconf setting that controls that? | 12:28 |
| tadzik | "you should totally update it via wifi, because so many things are broken. Like wifi" | 12:28 |
| Yaniel | or have I just hit some weird bug somewhere | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: sometimes you just get unlucky.. | 12:28 |
| tadzik | I guess so | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: disable bluetooth, maybe wifi is more stable then | 12:28 |
| tadzik | when I get back home I'm gonna put it right next to the router | 12:28 |
| ruskie | because that contact is not on my personal account | 12:29 |
| special | ruskie: mind trying mc-tool list; mc-tool show gabble/jabber/... and see if it says the invisible one is online? | 12:29 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: not enabled | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:29 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: oh well, I should just be patient :) | 12:29 |
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| w00t_ | Stskeeps: https://twitter.com/w00teh/status/436810463633240064 | 12:29 |
| ruskie | sure thing | 12:29 |
| ruskie | enabled, connects automacitally | 12:30 |
| ruskie | says presences as current offline | 12:31 |
| ruskie | requested available | 12:31 |
| ruskie | changing ye | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/481173062826856449 -- oh man oh man oh man | 12:32 |
| Nicd- | would buy that in an instant | 12:32 |
| ruskie | got 4 notifications so far(from icinga/nagios at work) | 12:32 |
| ruskie | hence why it's not on my personal xmpp hehe | 12:32 |
| tadzik | please tell me you offered this guy a job already | 12:32 |
| special | ruskie: you can't receive messages if it's current: offline.. | 12:32 |
| ruskie | then expalin how I got 4 of them | 12:33 |
| tadzik | he's making a killer feature of jolla an actual existing thing | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: they should employ kimmoli as their OH designer :P | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: i don't disagree, just have to be careful not to starve a community of talent | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | nokia did that quite intensively with maemo.org | 12:33 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: ha, true | 12:33 |
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| FireFly | Nicd-: ! | 12:34 |
| FireFly | *Nice* | 12:34 |
| ruskie | do wonder why it is in offline mode though... | 12:34 |
| ruskie | it should have connected | 12:34 |
| FireFly | kimmoli: do want :3 | 12:34 |
| ruskie | but I should see both xmpps in the presence window right? | 12:35 |
| special | ruskie: yes.. with a weird exception: accounts won't show up there until they've connected for the first time | 12:35 |
| special | so they won't show up if the password is wrong, for example | 12:36 |
| special | (this is crap and I should improve it, but the list of "this is crap and I should improve it" is quite long) | 12:36 |
| Yaniel | the best part about accounts is when they make the initial contact and never connect again after that | 12:37 |
| ruskie | and I just got 3 more messages | 12:37 |
| tadzik | that can't be true for xmpp | 12:37 |
| ruskie | via that so called offline account | 12:37 |
| special | ruskie: and there isn't any other account in mc-tool list that they're coming from? | 12:37 |
| ruskie | 2 jabber and one phone | 12:37 |
| ruskie | the other jabber is as said my personal | 12:37 |
| ruskie | that doesn't have this contact | 12:37 |
| Yaniel | and uh, I have no idea what the power button logic is when connected to the charger | 12:38 |
| special | I know as a fact that a middleware piece wouldn't accept messages for an account in 'current: offline' | 12:38 |
| ruskie | and I just deleted that account | 12:38 |
| ruskie | and still getting them | 12:38 |
| ruskie | it happend after I did that google account stuff | 12:38 |
| ruskie | and it is a contact on that one | 12:38 |
| ruskie | I removed that google account though | 12:39 |
| special | 'mc-tool list' is a list of all IM accounts. Google would show up there if it was set up. | 12:39 |
| ruskie | lret's see... now deleted the xmpp account | 12:39 |
| ruskie | and will readd it | 12:40 |
| ruskie | I deleted the xmpp account and just got another notification | 12:40 |
| Yaniel | ohh, might have found something related to my sdcard problems | 12:41 |
| special | ruskie: and they aren't going to SMS or something? :p | 12:41 |
| ruskie | 100% not | 12:41 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: is it possible that .2.5 likes to disconnect wifi when the screen is off? I remember that nemo did so at some point | 12:41 |
| ruskie | maybe I should reboot | 12:41 |
| ruskie | maybe some odd state happened when I added that google account | 12:41 |
| ruskie | and then deleted it | 12:41 |
| special | perhaps.. but 'mc-tool list' does not lie. | 12:41 |
| Yaniel | BTRFS error (device mmcblk1p1) in cleanup_transaction:1226: IO failure | 12:41 |
| special | if it's not in that list, it does not exist in the middleware that connects to XMPP servers | 12:41 |
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| ruskie | got a better suggestion? | 12:42 |
| special | and if it's not connected there, it's not connected | 12:42 |
| Yaniel | then a bunch of SET_BLOCK_COUNT timeouts | 12:42 |
| ruskie | well it doesn't exist there anymore even | 12:42 |
| ruskie | deleted it as said | 12:42 |
| ruskie | still getting the notifications | 12:42 |
| Yaniel | mmc1: Card stuck in programming state! mmcblk1 mmc_blk_err_check | 12:43 |
| Yaniel | does that ring any bells ^ | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: that smells like a bad card..... | 12:44 |
| ruskie | waiting to see if it was just a bit of a sync between ui and the telepathy | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | that's what I fear | 12:45 |
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| ruskie | and another one from a now deleted by 5 minutes account | 12:48 |
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| special | sqlite3 ~/.local/share/commhistory/commhistory.db then SELECT * FROM Events ORDER BY id DESC LIMIT 1; | 12:48 |
| special | it will show the telepathy ID of the account the message came from, equivalent to mc-tool list | 12:48 |
| special | (.quit to get out of sqlite3) | 12:49 |
| ruskie | thankl know a bit of sqlite3 | 12:49 |
| Yaniel | oh well, I'll get a new card someday(tm) | 12:49 |
| Yaniel | next, how can I extort an explanation out of the caldav account? | 12:49 |
| ruskie | google_2dtalk_10 | 12:50 |
| ruskie | which doesn't show in mc-tool list at all | 12:50 |
| special | mm | 12:51 |
| special | gdbus introspect -e -d org.freedesktop.Telepathy.ConnectionManager.gabble -o /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Connection/gabble/jabber | 12:52 |
| special | if you see a node for google_2dtalk_10 there, and mc-tool doesn't list it, you've confused telepathy in a beautiful way | 12:52 |
| ruskie | sounds like my standar MO then | 12:53 |
| ruskie | nope doesn't show in there | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | hmm: "PUT" request failed. 401 "Network request failed with QNetworkReply::NetworkError: 299" | 12:55 |
| ruskie | do see a gmail_2ecom node there... | 12:55 |
| ruskie | which I find odd | 12:55 |
| Yaniel | says CalDavClient in journal | 12:55 |
| special | that may be it | 12:55 |
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| special | gabble might name them after the login rather than the account | 12:55 |
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| ruskie | yeah but that isn't the login | 12:56 |
| ruskie | that's the prob | 12:56 |
| ruskie | the other two nodes in there are @mydomain and @mywork domain in there | 12:56 |
| ruskie | and another notification lol | 12:56 |
| ruskie | but even that's odd | 12:56 |
| ruskie | I deleted the other xmpp account as well | 12:57 |
| ruskie | only my personal account should be showing up in there | 12:57 |
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| ruskie | any more ideas? | 13:01 |
| Yaniel | who should I debug that networkerror 299? | 13:02 |
| ruskie | well heading home so afk for an hour or so | 13:02 |
| Yaniel | how* | 13:02 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: okay, it seems like with the router few rooms away the downlink is 0.15 Mbps :O | 13:08 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: I'll update it at home later :) | 13:09 |
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| chem|st | I have trippled the "we get back to you!" now... fedex .fi and .de are not calling back, jolla-care is now new on the list, lets see who will get back to me first... | 13:38 |
| chem|st | and it seems fedex never got back to optima as they said they do | 13:38 |
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| AL13N_work | :-S | 13:40 |
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| tadzik | my jolla was sent on monday, arrived today | 13:40 |
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| chem|st | tadzik: have fun! | 13:50 |
| tadzik | I will, as soon as I find myself 10cms from a wifi router :P | 13:51 |
| chem|st | tadzik: usb-networking? | 13:52 |
| tadzik | chem|st: that requires developer mode | 13:52 |
| tadzik | which needs to download stuff | 13:52 |
| chem|st | no mdata? | 13:52 |
| tadzik | I don't have a mini-sim yet :) | 13:53 |
| chem|st | ah... | 13:53 |
| tadzik | I'll pick one up after $work | 13:53 |
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| tadzik | also, I really wouldn't like to do much updating over mdata | 13:54 |
| tadzik | I usually bought 25MBs for $1 and it lasted me for a month :) | 13:54 |
| chem|st | tadzik: installing dev mode should be fine though | 13:54 |
| tadzik | I suppose | 13:54 |
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| chem|st | be aware that not updated SFOS connects mdata to get a gps-fix, I have 10MB free on roaming so it wasn't related to any costs for me but I see the connection listed on my bill | 13:56 |
| tadzik | SFOS? | 13:57 |
| chem|st | sailfishos | 13:57 |
| tadzik | aha | 13:57 |
| tadzik | well, I plan to have it updated soon enough | 13:57 |
| chem|st | I wasn't able to check the current version to its extent yet | 13:57 |
| tadzik | and I usually don't have gps enabled unless I'm looking at maps, which don't work offline iirc? | 13:57 |
| chem|st | but that it connects to a roaming network with roaming turned off can get expensive, although I'd send the bill to Jolla | 13:58 |
| tadzik | uhh, indeed | 13:58 |
| chem|st | also the check "am I really online" is connecting to a blank html file at jolla.com | 13:59 |
| chem|st | so that gets loaded every time I guess | 13:59 |
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| javispedro | similar to every other connection check | 14:00 |
| javispedro | but, did it fetch mdata even when you disabled roaming mdata? | 14:00 |
| chem|st | javispedro: yes I have disabled data-roaming and was charged some kb when travelling through france | 14:00 |
| javispedro | that is BAD (tm) | 14:01 |
| chem|st | that is very bad | 14:01 |
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| chem|st | I do not want the need to care about what my phone has active when I cross boarders... but well happens, I knew it is dodgy and I did not care on purpose | 14:03 |
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| javispedro | wait I second, do I need to pay to attend qt dev days? | 14:14 |
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| javispedro | sadly not the ideal place for a jolla european meetup then.. | 14:15 |
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| inte | Berlin? | 14:20 |
| inte | They should have rather done it in Helsinki you think? :) | 14:20 |
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| javispedro | anywhere but make one! :) | 14:23 |
| javispedro | otherwise... /me bookmarks fosdem'15 | 14:24 |
| inte | Berlin is not too far off from anywere in Europe and its also quite cheap | 14:24 |
| inte | not the worst choice IMHO | 14:24 |
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| ruskie | special, a reboot sorted it out | 14:36 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: some things do, others do not get reset with a factory reset... | 14:44 |
| chem|st | at least last time I checked | 14:44 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: ha, I managed to put the phone right next to the AP in the server room and after a reboot it managed to download the update, which is now installing :) | 15:11 |
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| stephg | tadzik: \o/ | 15:17 |
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| tadzik | the speedtest website still reports miserable speeds and latency though | 15:20 |
| tadzik | but about 5x higher than before | 15:20 |
| tadzik | I'll see at home how it works compared to the laptop on the same wifi | 15:20 |
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| tadzik | twitter integration seems to still not work though | 15:23 |
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| stephg | tadzik: speedtest on the wireless or 3/4g or..? | 15:35 |
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| chem|st | stephg: wlan | 15:42 |
| Jake-- | Hi, has someone experienced this on their jolla: My phone was in service and now I got it back. It has been factory reset, and now after doing the inital setup, and I try the pull-down menu from the top, there is only one option, silence sounds. No phone, settings etc what there used to be.. Any ideas how to fix? Also when trying to close apps by swiping from top, seems apps now just minimize, not close.. | 15:47 |
| stephg | Jake--: re- the minimize, that's a setting you need to enable in settings → shortcuts iirc | 15:48 |
| stephg | and the shortcuts for other things in the pulley are there too | 15:49 |
| AL13N_work | Jake--: i've sen this before too | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | both | 15:50 |
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| AL13N_work | in the new version, swipe from top is disabled by default, we just had it on, because we had the old versions upgraded | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | i still think it's stupid to have this off by default | 15:51 |
| AL13N_work | but that's another thing | 15:51 |
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| AL13N_work | and the shortcuts are gone too... donno why, maybe the new version doesn't have any shortcuts by default | 15:51 |
| stephg | well you put them back in the same place | 15:52 |
| stephg | AL13N_work: does that mean your phone arrived then? | 15:52 |
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| Jake-- | Thanks for the support guys, all working now.. I should have gone thru the settings also.. Previously I had just always upgraded the os and those functions/shortcuts were there by default. | 15:55 |
| AL13N_work | stephg: yes | 15:55 |
| AL13N_work | Jake--: yes, because it keeps your old settings through upgrade | 15:56 |
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| Jake-- | Ok, thanks | 15:57 |
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| special | ruskie: good. weird situation. | 16:29 |
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| tadzik | ok, jolla now reported similar wifi speeds to my laptop, both standing like 1m from the AP | 17:13 |
| tadzik | I'll check later how does it behave when it's furher away | 17:13 |
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| AL13N | fuck | 18:10 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: i lots my sdcard | 18:11 |
| AL13N | *lost | 18:11 |
| AL13N | i kept it with the sim in a box | 18:11 |
| AL13N | and now i'm opening the box, and only the sim is in there | 18:11 |
| AL13N | my backups were on the device | 18:11 |
| AL13N | *sdcard | 18:11 |
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| AL13N | fuck, fuck, fuck | 18:11 |
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| AL13N | :-( | 18:13 |
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| coderus | in a box?.. what box?.. | 18:20 |
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| * tbr is living in a box *lalala* | 18:23 | |
| tbr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sq8VDXlWQk | 18:24 |
| rZr | tbr, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHZS8S6O4-Y men in a box | 18:28 |
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| AL13N | coderus: some box with wrapping paper in, i put both sim and sdcard in it | 18:32 |
| AL13N | because i shipped jolla for repair | 18:32 |
| AL13N | now that it's back, i wanted to put in sdcard | 18:32 |
| AL13N | and restore from backup | 18:32 |
| AL13N | but the sdcard has disappeared :-( | 18:32 |
| AL13N | with all my media, development, chroots, etc... | 18:33 |
| AL13N | on top of that, it appears i didn't even save my contacts on SIM card either :-( | 18:33 |
| AL13N | the world sucks | 18:33 |
| walokra | why did you even put sim and sdcard with it | 18:34 |
| AL13N | someday, i'm gonna blow up the earth... | 18:34 |
| AL13N | walokra: i didn't put it with the phone | 18:34 |
| AL13N | i kept it separate | 18:34 |
| AL13N | at home | 18:34 |
| AL13N | in a box | 18:34 |
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| chem|st | AL13N: wrapping paper sounds like it is now on the floor under your desk as you flipped it out with the paper | 19:21 |
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| Nicd- | how can I email a .txt from my device? | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | it's in ~/Documents but it's not found in the attachments menu | 19:26 |
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| Nicd- | meh, I'll just scp it | 19:29 |
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| pdanek1 | http://www.berryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/BrL9i3BCMAA3yD31.jpg | 20:13 |
| pdanek1 | Do you think it's waste of space? Not to have special characters on keys (used with shift), but on screen instead? | 20:13 |
| Eztran | er, that is an awfully small amount of remaining screen space. | 20:15 |
| pdanek1 | :) | 20:15 |
| Eztran | Presumably normally most of that would be hidden and just a few extra characters visible? | 20:16 |
| pdanek1 | Yes, indeed, only the bottom row is visible normally. | 20:16 |
| pdanek1 | And it's predictive, so in different programs / uses, different characters are shown on bottom row. | 20:16 |
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| pdanek1 | But I was curious how big overkill is it with full character list rolled up. | 20:17 |
| Eztran | Not as bad as it looks, then. Never really been into the portrait-keyboard thing personally, though, particularly if you need more characters onscreen just for normal usage. | 20:17 |
| pdanek1 | Me neither, but mostly because portrait keyboards are too narrow. | 20:19 |
| pdanek1 | And this one is gonna be pretty wide, so quite comfortable to type with 2 hands. | 20:19 |
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| Eztran | Probably better, but one of the main selling points of it being the other way round could be the addition of extra characters. Looks like it needs onscreen keys just to type a standard sentence - autocapitalisation and stuff can do a lot, but no full stop? | 20:20 |
| Eztran | And when you have to switch off the keys to type something at least once per sentence, the question 'why bother?' kinda appears. | 20:22 |
| pdanek1 | Physical keys are touch-sensitive too. | 20:23 |
| pdanek1 | So maybe those onscreen characters can be chosen with gestures too. | 20:23 |
| Eztran | That could work, I guess? | 20:24 |
| pdanek1 | Maybe. | 20:25 |
| pdanek1 | We'll see. | 20:25 |
| pdanek1 | People who have tried it wrote only good things. | 20:25 |
| Eztran | I'm guessing those who have one by this point generally wanted one previously? =) | 20:26 |
| pdanek1 | It's not out yet. | 20:26 |
| pdanek1 | Official release in September. | 20:26 |
| Eztran | Mmm, it's the leak review (s?) at this point, right. | 20:26 |
| inte | I want a N900/N950-style Jolla | 20:26 |
| pdanek1 | It's not even final HW revision. | 20:26 |
| pdanek1 | It's prototype. | 20:26 |
| inte | maybe a bit bigger | 20:27 |
| Eztran | Oh, really? Didn't realise that. Be interesting to see if they change anything, then. | 20:27 |
| inte | or maybe a small tablet of say 8" | 20:27 |
| pdanek1 | From keyboard point of view, it's gonna stay the same. | 20:27 |
| inte | with a N900 style keyboard | 20:27 |
| pdanek1 | inte: N900 keyboard was amazing, but Nokia E5 kbd was better, wasn't it? | 20:27 |
| Eztran | inte: think many of us wanted an N900/N950ish Jolla, but I'm not sure the UI's designed for that so far, really. | 20:27 |
| inte | jep the ui is probably not yet ready | 20:28 |
| Eztran | and all I've heard of the N950's keyboard suggests it had the same build quality as the rest of the phone, i.e. very obviously a dev-only device. | 20:28 |
| inte | n950 was designed for the formfactor thrughout | 20:28 |
| inte | pdanek1: never had an E5 | 20:28 |
| inte | arg the n900 was designed for landscape mode | 20:29 |
| inte | the whole os | 20:29 |
| Eztran | Very much so, yeah. | 20:29 |
| inte | there was barely support for portrait mode in the beginning | 20:29 |
| Eztran | Yeah, like just the phone app IIRC? | 20:29 |
| inte | jep | 20:29 |
| inte | i always used it in landscape and that was just fine | 20:30 |
| inte | if nokia would have brought a kindofsupersized n900 at that time | 20:30 |
| inte | so to say, a small tablet with n900 keyboard | 20:30 |
| inte | that would have sold bomb for sure | 20:30 |
| inte | even for the n900 people ported apps like openoffice or abiword | 20:30 |
| Eztran | Would have been a kinda Pandora-ish thing, I suppose? | 20:30 |
| inte | or may kontact touch | 20:31 |
| inte | well the pandora, this experimental thing? | 20:31 |
| Eztran | I mean, that sold pretty well for not having mass-production prices. | 20:31 |
| inte | yeah, maybe a bit stylischer :) | 20:31 |
| inte | Eztran: did it? | 20:31 |
| inte | never heard about anyone buying this | 20:32 |
| Eztran | it actually sold something! =) | 20:32 |
| Eztran | Put a big company behind any of these devices with decent marketing and they could take off, it's kinda interesting to see what happens without that. | 20:33 |
| inte | well, the N9 still sold better than the Lumia800, so its not all about the marketing ;) | 20:33 |
| inte | but, sure, pretty much | 20:33 |
| Eztran | The N9 did get marketing in some countries, but true, nothing like the plugging for WP7. | 20:34 |
| inte | and, in which countries? | 20:34 |
| inte | austria, swiss, finland | 20:34 |
| inte | compared to all the big countries for the lumia | 20:34 |
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| inte | and still the N9 sold better | 20:35 |
| Eztran | Mmm, here in the UK, they basically pretended the N9 didn't exist. Lumias were all over the TV. | 20:35 |
| slate | inte: give me facts | 20:35 |
| inte | well but really anyone knew the l800 was crap:) | 20:35 |
| inte | Eztran: same in germany | 20:35 |
| inte | slate: that was in the news those days | 20:35 |
| Eztran | Was an N9 without anything which made the N9 interesting =D | 20:35 |
| inte | the 4/11 quater i guess | 20:36 |
| slate | so just talks | 20:36 |
| slate | ;) | 20:36 |
| inte | sales numbers | 20:36 |
| slate | show me | 20:36 |
| inte | symbian, featurephones, windows, other | 20:36 |
| Eztran | there were some pretty funny figures around everywhere at the time. | 20:36 |
| inte | and other was higher than windows | 20:36 |
| inte | slate really? | 20:36 |
| inte | i need to google that | 20:36 |
| slate | Ye, I'm really interested, since l800 really got millions to marketing | 20:37 |
| Eztran | From what I remember at the time, N9 didn't just outsell the 800, it outsold much of WP7 for a short while at least. | 20:37 |
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| Eztran | This discussion's been had a million times here, though, and the very fact there was something worthwhile in it is why this channel exists =) | 20:38 |
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| inte | found this | 20:39 |
| inte | http://www.osnews.com/story/25569/Nokia_N9_Outselling_Lumia_ | 20:39 |
| inte | just estimates | 20:40 |
| pdanek1 | hmm | 20:40 |
| slate | Launch-sales could be bigger, that I understand directly since l800 had limited countries at launch | 20:40 |
| inte | but seems not to far off for me | 20:40 |
| Eztran | ouch. Other stuff from there: WinMo was outselling WP =D | 20:40 |
| inte | i live in germany and i knew two people who bought an N9 | 20:40 |
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| inte | but not a single person who bought a lumia 800 | 20:40 |
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| inte | now some people have lumias | 20:41 |
| slate | inte: i was just reading the source of that text. :P | 20:41 |
| inte | but back in 11 never had | 20:41 |
| inte | tomi ahonen? | 20:41 |
| Eztran | I know someone who got a 900, does that count? | 20:41 |
| Eztran | Er, one person. | 20:41 |
| inte | this guy seems to have a severe problem with nokia :) | 20:41 |
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| inte | Eztran: no | 20:42 |
| inte | but I found that remarkably those days | 20:42 |
| inte | since you couldnt get the n9 in germany officially | 20:42 |
| slate | In finland l800 and l900 were quite common to be honest, more common than meego. | 20:42 |
| inte | anyways | 20:42 |
| inte | i dont know a single person who has a jolla | 20:42 |
| inte | (except for me) :) | 20:42 |
| inte | slate: ah really | 20:42 |
| inte | well yeah its finish | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | well, I know a couple of them :) | 20:43 |
| inte | but MS was also notoriously faking the sales numbers | 20:43 |
| inte | like for china | 20:43 |
| slate | arent they all | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | and quite a lot of FOSDEM attendants had them :) | 20:43 |
| inte | were the lumia was outselling the iphone lol, of course :) | 20:43 |
| inte | slate: yeah but for the l800 that was so obvious | 20:44 |
| inte | so many faked reviews, e.g. at amazon | 20:44 |
| Eztran | Yuk. Fanboyism in reviews can be annoying, but it's still a thousand times better than astroturfing. | 20:44 |
| inte | and wp7 was so crappy skype couldnt even stay online when in background | 20:44 |
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| inte | Eztran: that were rather astroturfing reviews | 20:45 |
| inte | no fanyboy stuff | 20:45 |
| slate | thank god ms bought skype and remade the servers mobile-friendly | 20:45 |
| inte | there werent any wp fanboys in 2011 anyways :) | 20:45 |
| inte | slate: you mean, nsa-friendly? :) | 20:45 |
| Eztran | Hehe, actually there were, albeit not many, online. | 20:45 |
| inte | i barely use skype anyways | 20:46 |
| Eztran | Well, I have the choice of ad-supported (and not in a decent way, shove-half-your-screen-sideways-with-big-banner) Windows client, or likely-to-be-forever-buggy Linux client. Yay Skype! | 20:46 |
| Eztran | Or, uh, not. | 20:47 |
| slate | os x version runs smooth. | 20:47 |
| Eztran | Hey, they got something right =) | 20:47 |
| slate | I use it at work to contact .fr and .ch | 20:47 |
| slate | ;) | 20:47 |
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| AL13N | chem|st: i quadruple checked that... | 21:00 |
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| chem|st | AL13N: check you surroundings, it is a chip in the size of a fingernail, black, easily hidden somewhere - below your keyboard, on/in your keyboard, pants, tucking of your shirt etc | 21:56 |
| chem|st | I found things in jackets I believed lost forever | 21:57 |
| chem|st | hmm do you say tucking as teh plural of tuck or is it tucks | 21:57 |
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