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sqozzAciid: build it on your device, there is no need for cross compiling ;)05:45
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Aciidsqozz: b-but where do I get gcc and other things for my jolla06:10
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Mnsupkcon install gcc06:11
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kimmoliAciid: some tips here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9203606:37
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sqozzAciid: exactly what kimmoli posted ;) the repository has everything what you need for compiling06:40
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TMavicaanyone emoji keyboard nothing emoji show out?07:05
SK_workwondering: does the Jolla support 4G+ ?07:08
SK_workhttp://www.nextinpact.com/news/88159-bouygues-telecom-lance-officiellement-sa-4g-4g-lte-advanced.htm07:08
SK_work4G advanced ?07:08
Stskeepswhat the f*** is 4G+07:09
Stskeeps?07:09
Stskeeps:P07:09
SK_workStskeeps: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced07:09
SK_workcan it support this via sw update ? or hw limited ?07:09
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SK_workhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_Advanced for the english version07:09
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tbrLTEa is just moar speeeed07:11
ppthey're adding all sorts of bits to it07:11
pp(actually watching a presentation on what they're adding in LTE just now :P )07:11
StskeepsSK_work: i think that's a 'no', from what i can see about our modem07:12
tbrthe fun stuff will be "5G"07:12
tbrI don't think there are really devices out there that support LTEa yet07:12
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SK_workStskeeps: ok :)07:13
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Stskeepsa msm8974 should have it though07:14
Stskeeps / msm9x2507:15
Stskeepswe're on 9x15 from what i grok07:15
Stskeepser, msm=mdm in that last sentence07:15
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ShadowJK"5g", like 4g turned out to be, will be a marketing thing instead of a technology thing09:05
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goroborobut we have the machine that goes ping!09:07
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tbrShadowJK: 4G was an utter fiasco as they never defined the term and then all operators lumped in every iterative tech into 4G, especially in the US with WiMax and friends09:07
goroborohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCITMfxvEc09:08
tbrI'd expect them to not make that mistake again09:08
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ggabriel_what is this thing about sailfish 1.0.7.16/18 (e.g., https://together.jolla.com/question/47351/1071618-openrepos-list-empty/)09:20
ggabriel_has there been a hotfix?09:20
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Sceltggabriel: opt-in, I guess09:22
ggabrielScelt: thanks, makes sense09:22
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ShadowJKi thought it WAS defined, but they gave up with the definition when everybody started calling random things 4g09:23
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ggabrielShadowJK: my phone says "4G" in the reception bar, surely that's 4G :P09:24
ShadowJKiirc originally it was something like >100Mbit/s IP based..09:24
ShadowJKwhich would've meant ltea09:24
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coderusMorpog_PC: ping10:26
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Morpog_PCcoderus pong10:32
Sceltwhat you think? https://twitter.com/ilotippa/status/47884429497625804910:34
coderusMorpog_PC: can you please make some more cover icons for Mitakuuluu?10:35
Morpog_PCsure, list what you need10:35
ggabrielscam?10:35
ggabriel(scelt)10:36
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Morpog_PCggabriel, I wait for someone else to click that link first :D10:36
Temei feel like contributing to the ASMO project by proof reading everything they submit in english :P10:36
ggabrieli've got chargers that do that already10:36
ggabrielMorpog_PC: i had to click 3 links.... not sure why people don't link directly in twitter, all this @ # stuff is just distracting10:37
Sceltggabriel: I don't. Do they really work?10:37
ggabrielScelt: yeah, sure10:37
ggabrieli've had phones for >18 years10:37
ggabrielalso, there's this tickle charge concept10:38
ggabrielanyway10:38
ggabrieli wouldn't waste my time10:38
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ggabrielwireless charging would be cooler10:38
ggabrieland if not, charging from any powered usb device does the trick for me10:38
ggabrielif anything, the phone should come with no charger at all10:38
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Sceltggabriel: okay mr. monoloque. everyone has their own needs10:38
ggabrielScelt: you asked for opinions, you got mine10:39
Sceltggabriel: I was just amused :-)10:40
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Sceltggabriel: been thinking about wireless charging but at least the nokia's one works badly10:42
ggabrielwireless charging is a cool concept. if you ask me, i carry 2 usb cables which takes almost no space and there's always a powered usb port somewhere10:42
ggabrielthe downside of wireless charging is that you can't use your phone while charging10:43
SceltI do so too but all nongeeks I know, use wall chargers10:43
ggabrielinteresting fact: in japan they don't shop mobile phones with a charger - you get that separately10:43
ggabriels/shop/ship/10:43
ggabrielScelt: i do use wall chargers too10:44
SceltI would offer a basic package without charger. I'd survive without just fine. But then a premium package with ASMOcharger or equilevant for half price of the chargers retail price or something like that10:46
ggabrielprobably the big boys can do that, not sure jolla could deal with the logistics of multiple packages10:47
Temeserioysly that Asmo-charger Kickstarter page, they have 2 copywriters listed and text like this on the page: "Hi! My name is Asmo Saloranta and I am behind of this project. I made this invention on last October. Since then it have been quite a ride." :D10:48
ggabrielyeah, sounds like a scam10:48
SceltTeme: yeah, that's what you get for speaking natively a nongerman language10:48
ggabriela usb charger is... a usb charger10:49
Yanielfor a copywriter that is still far too unprofessional10:49
TemeScelt: do you know what a copywriter does for a living?10:49
SceltTeme: sure10:49
Temehence you must understand why i find it a bit off :)10:49
FireFlyggabriel: not shipping a charger makes sense to me, now that we use microUSB for charging everything10:49
FireFlyno need to get another charger when you already have four10:49
ggabrielFireFly: only in the EU*10:49
ggabrielbut yeat10:50
ggabrielyeah even10:50
ggabriellower price, you don't end up with a million chargers at home10:50
SceltTeme: sure but maybe these only corrected the typos etc. not making the text more fluent10:50
ggabrielalso, not a single of those chargers ever failed10:50
fluxrelated: http://www.hellonomad.com/ - yes, I will pay $39 for a usb cable :)10:50
Sceltggabriel: I wouldn't say it's a logistics issue. maybe a challenge ;)10:51
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ggabrielScelt: same thing10:51
ggabriellogistical challenge10:51
ggabrielif you ask me, i'd rather more features/fixes+second device planning10:52
ggabrielbear in mind that there are no packages with different OH colours10:52
Sceltyeah. you could use the same solution10:52
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coderusMorpog_PC: connect / disconnect10:55
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Andy80chriadam|away, special hi! do you know what is the command to manually sync Google Contacts on Jolla? Something weird is happening... half contacts disappeared.... I've a call/chat log with empty names... and Android apps cannot sync my Google Contacts (the Contacts android app only shows 7-8 contacts on a 500+ total). Thanks11:22
Gordon`Hi, I’m still having reboots since the last upgrade :/11:23
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Gordon`I have to mail care@, I know :)11:23
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Yanieldid you try the paper trick yet?11:24
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Sailor967_is there some bluetooth obd app on jolla?11:54
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HtheBMy Jolla keeps rebooting suddenly12:23
Stskeepsif you're on update7, send a mail to care12:24
HtheBevery 15-20 seconds :(12:24
HtheByeah12:24
Stskeepstake out battery for 10 minutes, put it back in, as temporary measure12:24
HtheBcare @ jolla . com?12:24
PlntHtheB: i noticed that too after installing update 7 + conman update. but it happend only ~4-5 times yesterday. i removed the battery and put it back after few minutes and it's fine today.12:24
StskeepsHtheB: yes12:24
HtheBPlnt: I never had a reboot issue12:25
HtheBStskeeps: I've recently added an email to my phone, do you think it has something to do with?12:25
Plntyeah, me neither12:25
Nicd-hmmmmmm. I just got an update for Android Support in the store12:27
Nicd-I updated and it created an Android Support icon in my app grid12:27
Nicd-when I click on it, it moves to the home view (scolled up a bit like when you're opening an app), then nothing happens12:28
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HtheBplay store or jolla store?12:29
StskeepsNicd-: prolly just download indicator12:30
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Nicd-Stskeeps: but it was updated already12:31
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Nicd-HtheB: jolla store12:31
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Nicd-I don't have play store12:31
Sceltdamn, only if Jolla had 2 GB of ram it would awesomest12:31
HtheBJolla 2?12:31
Sceltplaying angry birds epic on android vm is a bit heavy12:31
HtheBScelt: vm?12:32
HtheBits not VM12:32
Sceltokay, alien dalvik then. no matter what it is :-)12:32
SceltI guess it's the matter of OOM when the red blinker comes12:32
Sceltand it killed my game12:33
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Morpog_PCwtf dropbox is dead slow atm13:48
StskeepsDDoS?13:48
Morpog_PCcould be13:48
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Morpog_PCcoderus, here you go, made 2 variants, so hopefully you like one of them: https://db.tt/1jAdDcPe13:51
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coderusMorpog_PC: i cant open page :)13:53
Morpog_PCdamn dropbox lol13:54
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Nightmare__slow, but works for me13:56
Morpog_PCcoderus, dropbox is damn slow atm, just give it some time13:57
mord~13:58
morderr, nm14:00
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clauI see there's an aliendalvik update (0.11.5). Are there any release notes for it?14:09
Morpog_PCyeah here too :)14:10
Sceltme too, said the smallest one14:11
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Wntsome reported that it added  "android support" icon to the laucher that does nothing when clicked14:15
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clau_Indeed, I have the new icon14:15
bennypr0faneIs it possible to copy the calendar sql file from the phone to the computer over usb? /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal/db14:16
clau_it just freezes the screen in an awkward position14:16
bennypr0faneI connected the Jolla to the pc, but I can't locate this path14:16
Wntbennypr0fane: I don't think those files are exported over the MPT protocol14:17
bennypr0faneit suggests so here: https://together.jolla.com/question/47232/wiki-how-to-sync-your-calendar/#post-id-47355  for bakcing up the calendar14:17
Wntor what was the name of the file sharing protocol...14:17
bennypr0faneWnt: is it possible yet to make the usb connection use a different protocol?14:18
bennypr0faneWnt: it's mtp14:18
Wntbennypr0fane: if you have developer mode enabled it's possible to access the phone's whole filesystem over SSH / sftp14:18
bennypr0faneand it's stupid...14:18
bennypr0faneWnt: hum hum... then I'd have to figure out all the commands to do this, and the Ip addresses first etc...14:19
Azogaliendalvik update does not fix the gps issue14:19
dunpi hate mtp too..14:20
TemeVbennypr0fane: with e.g. winscp you don't need any "commands" and ip you can find from the settings14:20
ggabrielbennypr0fane: i hate to say this, but there is mtp if you don't want to learn all the commands/etc14:21
ggabrielaltho TemeV is right to point out well known gui replacements such as winscp14:21
bennypr0faneTemeV: can you recommend a Linux equivalent for winscp?14:21
ggabrielsshfs is really cool too14:21
Wntbennypr0fane: on linux many filemanagers support the sftp protocol14:21
TemeVI think I've never used a sftp giu with linux14:21
TemeV*gui14:22
Wntso just type sftp://nemo@<phone's ip number>:/home/nemo to your filemanager's addressbar14:22
TemeVi think at least in gnome you can connect to sftp server from some menus14:23
Wntit'll ask you for the password you set when enabling developer mode14:23
bennypr0faneTemeV: maybe no one ever has, one of the things that makes Linux a bit less accessible. ggabriel: If you tell my how to copy that file from phone to pc over mtp, that's perfect!14:23
coderusMorpog_PC: thank you :)14:23
Wntwith Gnome's filemanager, Naututilus, I'ts possible to access the addressbar with Ctrl + L if it's hidden by default14:23
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* bennypr0fane is using Kubuntu 14.0414:24
Wntbennypr0fane: should work in KDE's filemanager too14:24
TemeVbennypr0fane: check the "ubuntu store"14:24
TemeVwhat ever it is actually called14:25
coderusbennypr0fane: sftp://nemo@192.168.2.1514:25
TemeVsoftware center?14:25
coderusyou dont need any app for that14:25
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bennypr0fanewhere do I find the phones ip address in settings?14:26
TemeVin developer mode menu14:26
coderusbennypr0fane: /sbin/ifconfig14:26
TemeVbut as default it is 192.168.2.15 for usb14:27
Wntoh, but it seems that the user nemo doesn't have the permissions to open that directory from via the SFTP either14:27
coderusbut devmode settings is good for looking for ip too :)14:27
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Wntso you will need e.g. to use the root account to copy that file to somewhere else first14:27
bennypr0faneWnt: right, so it's what I said first14:28
bennypr0fanecoderus: AND There's An App For That! :-D14:29
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coderusbennypr0fane: called Dolphin :)14:30
WntIt might be also possible to use the root account to access the filesystem via sftp but I would not recommend that as it's pretty easy to mess things up14:30
bennypr0faneWnt: isn't it just as easy to do that via ssh?14:31
coderusbennypr0fane: devel-su -p bash14:31
bennypr0fanecoderus I meant for finding the IP. It's called WhatsmyIP14:31
coderusbennypr0fane: and then copy that db to ~/14:31
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coderusbennypr0fane: sure, but opening developer settings is too hard? :)14:32
Wnton the command line, as a superuser, you can copy that file to the nemo user's home folder using "cp /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal/db /home/nemo/" and then make it readable by nemo: "chown nemo:nemo /home/nemo/db"14:32
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Wntthen you can copy it using the nemo user account via sftp14:33
bennypr0fanecoderus: nope. but some people may not want to enable that. My goal is to post instructions for everyone to use to back up their calendars while that Jolla does noit have that feature14:33
sqozzhas anyone an idea, how to set the USB-mode over commandline on my jolla?14:33
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Wntbennypr0fane: I don't think there is any way you can do that without enabling developer mode or installing 3rd party apps at this point14:34
coderusWnt: you dont need to own db file to read it14:34
bennypr0fanesqozz no, but There's An App For That14:34
coderusyou have access denied just because /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/ owned by privileged user14:34
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bennypr0faneWnt: well third party apps are fine14:35
coderusbennypr0fane: lol, with no devmode you can't access your device via ssh :)14:35
coderussqozz: what you mean?14:35
coderussqozz: change mode?14:35
Wntbennypr0fane: how do you know that the 3rd party apps wont mess up your phone?14:35
bennypr0faneWnt: never14:35
dunphttp://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/rikos/artikkeli/nokia-paid-millions-of-euros-in-ransom/344891814:35
bennypr0faneWnt: but if they're in the Jolla store, I think it's reasonable to assume they don't14:36
Wntsqozz: https://github.com/jklingen/harbour-usb-switch/blob/master/qml/components/Shells.qml14:36
Wnt"usb_moded_util -s charging_only", "usb_moded_util -s pc_suite" etc.14:36
Wntif I quickly read that through correctly14:37
Wntbennypr0fane: yes, I think trusting software in the Jolla store is safe enough. But I'm not sure if it's possible to publish a application there that touches those files14:38
bennypr0faneWnt: I was referring to one app that shows me my Ip, and another that can change the USB mode while plugged in. I don't know of one that can solve my problem14:39
bennypr0fanenot in Jolla store at least. unless the root access versions of the file manager are there. are they?14:40
Wntbennypr0fane: not in the store for sure14:40
Wntyou might find something like that from unofficial software repositories14:40
bennypr0fanequick survey: which do you like best: Cargodock, Filebrowser, or Filetug?14:41
bennypr0faneI see we also have an ftp server app in Warehouse that allows for sftp access14:43
bennypr0fanethrough an FTP client14:43
ottuloFile Browser, though sometimes I resort to Filetug; not familiar with Cargodock14:43
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bennypr0fanethanks guys, mission accomplished!14:54
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TemeVfiletug was the best at the time I installed it. I haven't cahgned my filebrowser since :)15:17
gexcany possibility for a browser/file manager compatible with fish:// protocol?15:18
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gexcdolphin from KDE has it; very handy for accessing the filesystem over wlan15:19
specialgexc: you could write one? ;)15:20
* gexc is not a developer :-/15:20
gexcif I can LOL15:21
* tbr would rather use sshfs15:21
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goroboroor just sftp15:23
goroboroand at worst just scp files back and forth15:23
tbrwell, I was trying offer something that could be used with a gui file manager15:24
gexcis sshfs working on jolla?15:24
tbrif not, then it's trivial, as IIRC fuse is already there15:26
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gexc;-)15:28
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gexcsshfs works fine in the terminal15:38
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gexcbut the mount point is not accessible from filemanagers :-/15:39
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ninnnuWhy wouldn't it be?15:39
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gexccargodock says 'permission denied'15:41
goroborodid you mount while devel-su?15:41
gexcno15:41
gexcI have set the permission of the mount point to 77715:41
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goroborodid you use fuse to do the mount?15:43
goroboroif so... try use the allow_other param15:43
gexcsshfs hostname: mountpoint15:43
gexcthat's the cmd I used15:43
gexcthe mount point is owned by user 508 :-/15:44
ln-http://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/rikos/artikkeli/nokia-paid-millions-of-euros-in-ransom/344891815:44
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Quujust saw that one15:44
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goroborotry sshfs -o idmap=userhostname: mountpoint15:45
goroborosorry... space betweent user and hostname15:45
goroboroI think that your user on the other host has UID 50815:46
goroboroso there is a mapping issue15:46
gexc-o allow_other works15:46
gexc:-o15:46
goroboroyeah... that removes all perms... probably the other suggestion is better15:46
goroborothat will just map your userid on both hosts15:47
goroboroso: sshfs -o idmap=user hostname: mountpoint15:48
goroborothat's a neater solution as it doesn't mean any user on your phone has access to the mountpoint15:48
goroboronot that you're likley to have multiple users on your phone :D15:48
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goroborobtw... I created a stupid little app on openrepos that uses djmount to mount upnp shares15:49
goroboroit uses a simple python script... which I guess you could modify to do sshfs15:49
goroboroinstead of djmount15:49
goroboroits very very basic... but just gives you an icon to display if the mount is mounted or not... clicking on the icon either mounts or dismounts15:50
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goroboroI think the app was called DJMounter (very original)15:50
gexccool15:51
gexcidmap=user doesn't work :O15:51
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gexcstrange...15:51
goroborothe code is incredibly simple and its a bit embarrassing to call it an app... but check it out, because you could probably hack it to do what you want15:51
goroborogexc: ho hum... I haven't played with sshfs much15:52
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goroboroat least the allow_other works15:52
gexcyeah...15:52
gexcso allow_other may introduce some security issue?15:53
goroboroonly if you have multiple users accessing your phone15:53
goroboronot serious15:53
gexcI'll check that app out ;-)15:53
goroboroit just means that they can all access the mount15:53
goroboroyou usually don't have multiple users set up on your phone15:54
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goroborobrb... have a meeting15:54
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gexchmm...16:00
gexcjust filetug launched from the terminal can access the mount point16:01
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gexcif using idmap=user16:01
gexceven if without idmap=user LOL16:03
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pdanekToday I had one problem.16:07
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pdanekWhen my battery was at 5%.16:07
pdanekI tried to call -> phone turned off. I started it, system was stable -> tried to call phone turned off.16:08
pdanekSo I charged my phone up to 14% of battery. And again tried to call -> phone turned off.16:08
pdanekSo I continued charging up to ~20% and then I was able to call.16:09
specialSage_: ^ does that sound like your kind of problem?16:09
pdanekThere shouldn't be such feature/bug to turn off the phone when low batter + calling. :)16:11
pdanekImagine you are in life danger, you have last 5% battery missing, phone allows you to watch HD movie, but doesn't allow you to initiate call to save your life. :)16:11
pdanekMaybe I can set it up somewhere.16:12
specialit's certainly not intentional16:12
kimmolisame happens with my firends android phone, acerr something16:12
pdanekI see.16:12
tbrit also sounds like phdeswer might want to look at it but he's not online16:12
specialif it's shutting down, it's either 1) the reboots problem, or 2) legitimately so low on battery that it feels it cannot continue and needs to shut down16:12
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pdanekThen battery indicator must be wrong.16:13
tbrit could also be something with the battery contacts16:13
specialwas it a clean shutdown with the logo and all, or did it just suddenly go off?16:13
pdanekAnyway, phone turned on fine, enough battery to turn on and do any tasks. Just initiating call shutted it down.16:13
pdanekSuddenly off, display off.16:13
pdanekimmediate halt16:14
specialyeah, that's not the low battery shutdown16:14
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tbrcall setup powers on the GSM output to full initially. it might lead to a power surge that goes beyond what the PMIC deems 'safe' and triggers an emergency shutdown16:14
tbron 3G I'm not sure if it does that16:14
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tbrpdanek: I wonder if you could try cleaning the battery pads and the mating pins on the phone a bit. Avoid touching them with your fingers (grease) but rather just wipe them a few times gently with a metal edge or screw driver. doesn't need to be hard.16:16
tbrand then put some paper between battery and phone on the opposite end, to press it well against the pins16:17
tbrand then try to reproduce16:17
tbralso beware not to bend the pins by accident, that would be bad, mkaaaaay.16:18
pdanekyes, I had this batterry/paper issue, but this is not related16:18
pdanekit shutted down 3 times, repetive, at the same moment after I clicked to call one of my contacts16:19
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pdanekwithout even being able to put it on my ear16:19
tbrcould you try it anyway? bring down battery to where it will shut down as it is and then try cleaning the pins16:19
pdanekI can try to reproduce16:20
pdanekbut I charge every night16:20
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pdanekhow can I now use all my battery intentionally?16:20
pdanekwhat's best way?16:20
tbrwell, then don't charge it tonight :)16:20
pdanekI need to charge it tonight :P16:20
pdanekI'm on 70% battery16:21
pdanekif you help me how to get it down to 5% in 2 hours16:21
pdanekI'll reproduce :)16:21
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Yanieltry the sph water simulatiob16:21
pdanekIn warehouse?16:22
tbrscreen on full brightness and something that does a _lot_ of 3D16:22
YanielI think it got accepted to harbour too16:22
tbrbbl16:22
Yanielthe water simulation with water particles :P16:22
Yanielie not points or spheres16:22
pdanekobviously I can't disable sleep16:22
pdanekmaximum 15 min.16:22
pdanek:(16:22
pdanekJolla doesn't give me "choice"16:23
pdanek:D16:23
Yanielthat thing literally eats the cpu, and with particles the gpu too16:23
_Razor_[5~16:23
_Razor_:)16:23
_Razor_sorry16:23
pdanekok getting water sim16:23
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pdanekfrom starstuff?16:24
pdanekturning onm tethering as well16:24
pdanek+ bluetooth16:24
Yanielyep, that one16:25
pdanekcan I max the settings of simulation?16:26
pdanekwon't it burn my phone?16:26
Yanielit hasn't burned mine16:26
pdanekon full stats?16:26
Yanielbut it might get a bit slow :D16:26
pdanekincompressibility16:26
pdanekwhat's that16:26
pdanekshould I keep it good or best?16:27
pdanekI have chosen particles btw16:27
pdaneknot fluif16:27
pdanekfluid*16:27
Yanielit is just a multiplier for the calculations16:27
Yanielfluid is the most gpu intensive16:27
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Yanielbecause it has blending and lighting16:28
pdanekok16:28
pdanekall on full16:28
pdanekthe batterry drops fast!16:28
Yanielit is also fun to play with16:29
pdanekit reacts on accelerometer!!!!!!!!16:29
pdanekcool16:29
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pdanekthe simulation automatically pauses after a while16:40
pdanekwhen I don't babysit it16:40
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pdanekI dropped 20%16:52
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gexcis the phone burning now? LOL16:56
pdanekno because I don't have time to babysit it all the time16:58
pdanekand when the water is still16:58
pdanekit doesn't need GPU16:58
pdanekI need to attach it to some constantly moving part16:59
pdaneklike...16:59
pdanekmy head, when I sit16:59
pdanekunder the cap!16:59
pdaneklet me try :D16:59
pdanekI have no duct tape at home17:00
Sage_pdanek: can you send /var/log/systemboot.log to any pastebin works17:00
gexcmaybe you can get some android benchmark app to murder the battery ;-)17:02
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pdanekhehe17:02
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pdanekSage_: those are my 3 shutdowns:17:16
pdanek20140617_154149 Startup:  pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_HW_SMPL17:17
pdanek20140617_154149 Received: dsme internal state USER17:17
pdanek20140617_154351 Startup:  pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_HW_SMPL17:17
pdanek20140617_154352 Received: dsme internal state USER17:17
pdanek20140617_155343 Startup:  pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_HW_SMPL17:17
pdanek20140617_155343 Received: dsme internal state USER17:17
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KabouikHey there! I received an sms from Belgium (I'm in France). I got the number correctly (+32 XXX), but cannot answer. Jolla says there was an issue with sending my message, and I can retry but the same will happen. My subscription allows international calls, already tested it many times with various countries17:31
KabouikAlthough it's true I've never tried Belgium so far, but it is included.17:31
KabouikAny ideas?17:31
specialare you able to successfully send SMS to other numbers?17:33
KabouikAbsolutely17:33
special(right now, I mean)17:33
KabouikCan only try with France though, but I used to do it to other countries a few months earlier17:34
KabouikYes17:34
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specialand swiping to the left to see the contact card from that conversation, it shows a normal, valid phone number?17:34
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KabouikYes, I checked it with the person directly17:34
KabouikAnd he confirmed +32 is the indicative for Belgium17:35
specialdo you have developer mode around?17:35
KabouikYes17:35
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specialas root, /system/bin/logcat -b radio -v time17:37
specialand try sending it again17:37
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KabouikThe Jolla is still working after entering the command, will try sending the sms again asap17:39
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Sail0rhttp://momentsmartwatch.com17:47
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pdanekWhich Android runtime Jolla has?17:59
pdanekAndroid 4.3?17:59
Stskeeps4.1.218:00
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pdanekBlackBerry is about to get 4.3 :O18:00
ggabrielgood(?) for them18:01
pdanekprobably18:02
ggabrielmaybe sailfish gets it in the big autumn update18:02
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pdanekyea, read about that one.... is it gonna be the biggest update to date?18:03
pdanektotal revamp? :D18:03
Eztran4.1.x is still the most-used Android version IIRC, so it's not the biggest loss not to be ahead of it.18:03
ggabrieli haven't used android just yet on the jolla :P18:04
pdaneksure, I was just stating the fact about BB -> 4.318:04
pdaneknot saying Jolla is somehow behind18:04
EztranSure.18:05
pdanekJust seems useful to mention, as Jolla and BB10 are probably the only 2 platforms with Android runtime?18:05
pdanekAnd both take it as a priority.18:05
EztranCertainly the only ones with publicity for it :)18:05
ggabrieluhm... hopefully the big update is not all about android18:06
pdanek:)18:06
ggabrieland more about features/fixes18:06
ggabriele.g., thread support in the mail application and whatnot18:06
ggabrielapi's for devs18:06
ggabrielstuff like that18:06
pdanekpaid apps18:06
EztranConsidering compatibility already seems pretty decent, prioritising other stuff sounds about right.18:06
ggabrieldon't really care about my-fav-google-app-that-uses-bt-and-gps-and-sends-all-my-data-to-google18:07
ggabrielpaid apps comes 2nd half of this year18:07
ggabrielas announced18:07
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KabouikIs that normal that the Jolla is still working after the command you gave me special?18:13
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specialKabouik: yes, it should just give a bunch of output when you do cellular things.18:14
Yanielyes, it should just show you logs18:14
KabouikAh, I was waiting. Silly me. -.-18:14
KabouikThen I can say that seding the message still fails, and the failure is almost instantaneous18:14
specialand no output from that command?18:15
KabouikQuite hard to find anything readable in that output18:15
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speciallook for 'sms' or 'SEND_SMS'?18:16
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Kabouikhttp://hastebin.com/uzucemebif.coffee18:18
specialthat looks successful, I think?18:19
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KabouikIt isn't, still have the message error and the icon to resend it18:19
KabouikAnd the recipient did not get anything18:19
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specialah18:20
specialthat second PDU tells us more18:20
ggabriellooks bad :P18:20
specialStatus:  Incompatible destination (permanent error)18:20
Kabouikhttp://hastebin.com/anequlagat.avrasm Not sure the log was full, that one might be better18:20
specialthat is a response from the network18:20
KabouikBelgium though is in my subscription :(18:21
Kabouik(http://mobile.international.free.fr/?pays=Belgique -> extra cost, but possible)18:22
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specialsee private message, but18:23
specialit looks like it's sent out fine, and rejected by the network18:23
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ggabrieleasy test: try another phone18:23
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sqozzdo someone know if i can access the gps on my jolla as serial device?19:35
Stskeepsyou can't19:36
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Stskeepsbut19:36
Stskeepswhat do you have in mind?19:36
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sqozzhmm want to get kismet with build-in-gps support19:38
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ShadowJKWell, today jolla is only thing able to access $work mfe. web no go, real exchange no go, but jolla works20:06
pdanekThat installation of G.Play apps from web works with Jolla too!20:11
pdanekcool20:11
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stephgShadowJK: I think your exchange environment may be a little messed up ;)20:21
pdanekInteresting how even corporations are moving into Google Apps instead of Exchange.20:22
pdanekI always thought that Google Apps is for small & middle sized companies, apparently not.20:23
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sqozzokay.. something odd is going on, on my phone.. when i connect via usb/ssh ip as ifconfig is not availible - on fingerterm "ip addr" lists all interfaces. Can someone give me a hint?20:26
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sdjaynasqozz: /sbin isn't in your path when you connect via usb/ssh but is via fingerterm, not sure why though..20:29
sdjaynaie. not my area ;)20:29
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sqozzsdjayna: thats it.. unfortunately i recently stumble across the lack of monitoring mode of the jolla-networking-chip ://20:36
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SpeedEvilhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/06/17/1939245/nokia-extorted-for-millions-over-stolen-encryption-keys (2007)20:41
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Stskeepsthe real reason they shut down symbian?20:42
SpeedEvilheh20:43
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raa79well, at least it's a proper reason for that20:43
sqozzsorry for all the fans of symbian, but symbian was shut down because it was broken by design ;)20:44
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slatecoderus made a patch to s3 so you could install unsigned sisx-files?20:52
slateIf I remember correct20:52
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coderusslate: no, it was other russian guy, not me :)20:54
slateSo you are not a millionare?20:55
slate;)20:55
coderusno, i'm poor young developer20:56
coderusbut who cares20:56
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stephgaww :)21:02
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coderus:)21:09
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ShadowJKhm what's this android support update21:32
stephgdon't know21:33
stephgonly thing I've noticed since is now it has an app icon21:33
stephgdon't recall there being a changelog in the store21:33
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ShadowJKnope, comments full of people crying for a changelog21:38
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phlixiand there is an accepted answer regarding the changelog: https://together.jolla.com/question/47469/androidtm-support-update-for-1071610718/21:47
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