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| iekku | walokra, no, nothing else | 03:42 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.4 update. Fixed offline messages. Download: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.4 | 08:06 |
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| faenil | VDVsx, try the latest email I sent you ;) | 08:21 |
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| VDVsx | faenil, yup, is a known issue, mostly caused by long links, unfortunately quite tricky since is inside webkit rendering engine | 08:25 |
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| faenil | VDVsx, let's make sure we're talking about the same issues: the problem is not only the email being super zoomed out | 08:26 |
| faenil | the problem I'm talking about is: | 08:26 |
| faenil | 1) once you zoom a bit, you can't zoom back to original level | 08:26 |
| faenil | 2) given you can't zoom back, you won't be able to leave the email and go back to conversations | 08:26 |
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| faenil | i.e. you're stuck inside the email client unless you close it and open it again | 08:27 |
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| VDVsx | faenil, yup same cause | 08:28 |
| faenil | VDVsx, yes, same cause, but not being able to leave the email page is your fault :P (as in Jolla's) | 08:29 |
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| VDVsx | design will change in the future since is proven to be problematic(I never liked, but is like that in gallery as well for example, zoom in no backstacking navigation) | 08:31 |
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| narchie | is there any reliable spotify solution yet? | 08:34 |
| narchie | the android version keeps crashin on returning to desktop | 08:34 |
| faenil | VDVsx, yes, but you *can't* go back here, it's not that you have to zoom out, like in gallery (which is a design choice) | 08:36 |
| faenil | here you *can't* go back, because something is preventing you to zoom out to the original level | 08:36 |
| faenil | and I guess that something is the email client | 08:37 |
| ggabriel | funny, i experienced faenil's issue the other day... it happened only once so far | 08:38 |
| ggabriel | not sure whose fault it is, but certainly an issue | 08:38 |
| faenil | ggabriel, it happens 100% with this email, so it can reproduce easily, but VDVsx doesn't seem eager to fix it :D | 08:38 |
| faenil | can be reproduced* | 08:38 |
| VDVsx | faenil, you can't go back because you can't zoom, area is too small for 2 fingers | 08:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | zooming sucks | 08:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sk pls fix it for us :-D | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | uhm... one thing i didn't try is double tapping on the edge | 08:40 |
| ggabriel | that normally zooms out | 08:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | my girl throw jolla away for that crap | 08:40 |
| faenil | VDVsx, no, it's not that, zoom in and the zoom out, *without* releasing your finger | 08:40 |
| faenil | you'll see that even though the gesture is not finished, you can't go beyond a level | 08:40 |
| faenil | (but you can't still zoom in, so the pinch is working) | 08:40 |
| faenil | there's a minZoom or something man, please believe me :D or just try yourself | 08:41 |
| ggabriel | i can see faenil really tested this :) | 08:41 |
| faenil | ggabriel, send me your email in PM, I'll forward you the email so you can play with it :p | 08:42 |
| VDVsx | will look when I've sometimes, code is quite simple those indicators appear when zoom level is 0. nothing else is there | 08:42 |
| VDVsx | i.e webkit zoom level | 08:43 |
| faenil | yeah, something is preventing it to go to 0, bounding the min zoom, while you can still zoom in... | 08:43 |
| faenil | that's the issue | 08:43 |
| ggabriel | faenil: i won't have time to play sadly :( | 08:43 |
| faenil | ggabriel, it's just about opening the email and zooming in and out :D but no problem | 08:44 |
| faenil | ;) | 08:44 |
| ggabriel | faenil: i had exactly the same issue the other day, i'm convinced it's triggered by certain markup | 08:44 |
| faenil | VDVsx, please file it, or you'll forget it with the things you're busy with ;) | 08:44 |
| ggabriel | you just tested it a lot further than me | 08:45 |
| faenil | with all the things* | 08:45 |
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| chriadam | ggabriel: page navigation is overridden in certain circumstances (because you don't want webpage panning gestures to be interpreted as pagestack navigation swipes) | 08:56 |
| chriadam | one of the heuristics used to detect whether the user intends a page swipe or a pan, is to look at the current zoom level | 08:56 |
| chriadam | if they're fully zoomed out, then they can't mean to pan, obviously. | 08:56 |
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| chriadam | it becomes problematic when (for some reason, for example page header pixel alignment issues, or simply the size of the interactable area) it's impossible to zoom fully out | 08:57 |
| chriadam | or bindings immediately snap the zoom level to non-zero value | 08:57 |
| chriadam | in that case, you cannot page navigate. | 08:57 |
| chriadam | it's a known bug. we'll fix it at some stage. | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | chriadam: yup, i totally understand the problem | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | and it affects edge cases anyway | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | a visual hack would be to accept taps on the top left even when zoomed in | 08:59 |
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| ggabriel | but i'm sure you'll figure out something better | 08:59 |
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| chriadam | aseppala is on the case, I've been told. | 09:00 |
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| faenil | fyi, in my case it's neither about alignment nor about interactable area | 09:15 |
| faenil | chriadam, ^ | 09:16 |
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| chriadam | faenil: oh, what stops the page navigation? | 09:17 |
| faenil | chriadam, let's say you can zoom the email from 1.0 to 2.0, but when you zoom out it stops at 1.2 | 09:17 |
| faenil | so you never see the page dots | 09:17 |
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| chriadam | ah ok, almost like it's clamped or something. webkit has some internal "best zoom factor" calculations which might contradict our assumptions in the sailfish-app-level code | 09:18 |
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| VDVsx | chriadam, that's exactly the case, that's why it goes to ultra small size | 09:22 |
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| ggabriel | i didn't know that the email client used webkit | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | as opposed to gecko | 09:23 |
| faenil | :( adsl issues... | 09:23 |
| faenil | is there a log for this channel? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | see /topic | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | faenil: topic | 09:23 |
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| faenil | thanks | 09:24 |
| faenil | chriadam, I noticed that, let's say starting zoom is 1.0 | 09:24 |
| faenil | when you start the pinch, it *jumps* to 1.1 or something | 09:24 |
| faenil | and that becomes the min zoom lvl as well | 09:24 |
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| faenil | so, once you start the pinch it zooms to 1.1 and you can't go back to 1.0 | 09:25 |
| faenil | as if the email client has a different definition of 1.0 | 09:25 |
| chriadam | ah. I don't know how touch handling works in SailfishWebView, but it certainly sounds like something strange is going on there. | 09:25 |
| chriadam | similar problem can be seen when creating a google or facebook account, too | 09:26 |
| chriadam | but usually with that you can just zoom out, and be able to navigate again | 09:26 |
| faenil | exactly, | 09:26 |
| chriadam | but anyway, I'm sure antti will find the root cause and fix it | 09:26 |
| faenil | while in this case, you have to close the email client | 09:26 |
| faenil | no way to go back | 09:26 |
| chriadam | yeah, definitely suboptimal ;-D | 09:26 |
| faenil | :) | 09:27 |
| faenil | anyway I forwarded the email to reproduce the bug to VDVsx so when you guys will tackle it, it will be 100% reproducible | 09:27 |
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| chriadam | cool | 09:30 |
| chriadam | having repros definitely helps | 09:30 |
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| VDVsx | chriadam, and the funny thing is that is a email generated by your review comments :P | 09:31 |
| * VDVsx blames chriadam :P | 09:31 | |
| w00t | it's all chriadam's fault | 09:31 |
| * chriadam groans | 09:31 | |
| chriadam | I've caused enough havoc in our codebase already tbh :-( | 09:32 |
| faenil | :) | 09:33 |
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| Mirv | funny when a stranger in the same table at random restaurant has The First One cover too | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe.. i've yet to have any strange moments with 'i made this' covers and not recognising the person | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:46 |
| ln- | finns don't sit in the same table with strangers. | 09:46 |
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| kimmoli | :) | 09:49 |
| kimmoli | (thats why i printed derp-dhirt :) | 09:49 |
| kimmoli | *shirt | 09:50 |
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| maddler | hey all! | 10:19 |
| chem|st | o/ | 10:21 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: will there be any love for The First One community? A simple yes or no is enough... | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: hmm, i thought one thing is that they get updates first | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | maybe i should ask another way | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | what should the love be? | 10:26 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, what about betatesting for the first ones? | 10:30 |
| sharpneli | Haddaway - What is love | 10:30 |
| faenil | and a separate channel for them to report issues :) something like #imthefirstone channel | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | you have to be careful about which a thing though, ie, it has to be opt in | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | not opt out | 10:30 |
| faenil | dedicated to FirstOnes | 10:30 |
| chem|st | so we get bugs first... ;) | 10:34 |
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| faenil | well, we get the chance to iron them out before it's too late... | 10:35 |
| faenil | it doesn't have to be a must of course, but the firstones who would like to should be able to partecipate | 10:35 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: access to in devel things to test, like closed RC testing (I consider the normal upgrades as open-beta, just so you know) | 10:38 |
| faenil | chem|st, that's what I meant | 10:40 |
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| Aard | chem|st: we'll open that up eventually, we need to improve handling of feedback before we can make that more widely available. plus it'd be good that we first update factory snapshot as well, so it's harder to brick your device | 10:45 |
| merlin1991 | a factory snapshot that isn't 1.0.0.5 on the phone would be nice resetting feels like it would take forever to go back to current version | 10:47 |
| Aard | merlin1991: it's being worked on. and even in public :) https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-snapshot | 10:48 |
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| Aard | still needs some way to go before we can do that on customer phones without being worried, though | 10:48 |
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| chem|st | Aard: true! | 11:03 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: devices returning from care@ seemed to have a newer snapshot iirc | 11:05 |
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| Aard | chem|st: yes, devices coming from care got reflashed. the snapshot is part of the flashable image | 11:05 |
| chem|st | Aard: what about an accessgroup to your bugtracker | 11:05 |
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| chem|st | so not-public-yet stuff is really not discussed in public | 11:06 |
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| Aard | chem|st: this probably never will happen (too much internal stuff), but we might end up doing a separate bugzilla instance linked to our internal one (that's one of the things we need to figure out properly before we do a "free for all to sign up" beta program) | 11:06 |
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| Aard | we need to have a very similar setup with mer bugzilla to properly move bugs concerning open components to mer side, so we're currently waiting for that to finish, and then only have to make mistakes once :) | 11:08 |
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| chem|st | faik this should have happened during installation of your internal one right from the beginning, are you guys really managing to filter all bugs properly from tjc? | 11:09 |
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| chem|st | ;) | 11:09 |
| chem|st | good to hear that! | 11:09 |
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| faenil | Aard, not free for all...for the first ones... | 11:21 |
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| Aard | faenil: logically this 'open up rcs' is part of the developer program. it makes sense to allow the first ones to sign up first once we can handle larger numbers, but in the long term it'll be open to all developers | 11:26 |
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| Venemo_j | this is not funny | 11:49 |
| Venemo_j | my jolla has decided that it doesn't wanna find 3G | 11:49 |
| Venemo_j | it finds it sometimes but very slowly | 11:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: hmmm | 11:55 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps it's sometimes worse than the N950 | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: what operator do you have | 11:56 |
| Venemo_j | ofcourse, when it's in a good mood, it's pretty good | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | and do you have a case | 11:56 |
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| Venemo_j | I'm at Telenor HU and use the 'first one' toh, no other case | 11:57 |
| Venemo_j | cases are ugly and boring | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | check coverage maps of your vendor first off | 11:58 |
| Venemo_j | the whole city should be covered | 11:59 |
| Venemo_j | N9 didn't have a problem running in 3G-only mode all the time | 12:00 |
| SK_work | Venemo_j: connman is not happy | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: define 'find 3g' fwiw | 12:01 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: in areas where I'm sure there's 3G, jolla finds only 2G | 12:02 |
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| Venemo_j | not all the time but it's quite annoying | 12:02 |
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| faiden | Hi, I'm planing to get a jolla I live in Sweden and wondering if it could be a problem? | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | it shoudn't be a problem | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | nop, we ship to sweden | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | there are folks who live in .se and have a jolla | 12:31 |
| faiden | Thats good to know =D | 12:31 |
| faiden | Are there any active coupon codes that I can use? | 12:31 |
| pp | mine wasn't happy in haaparanta's ikea, but it was on a finnish network :-) | 12:32 |
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| faiden | Ikea is not realy swedish soil thou >< | 12:32 |
| Teme | faiden: Ikea of Haaparanta is :D | 12:35 |
| faiden | Make sure you eat alot of meatballs | 12:36 |
| ln- | you mean Haparanda | 12:36 |
| faiden | So I guess no current active coupons :/ I want to order it so bad! | 12:37 |
| Teme | well, i don't say Åbo or Helsingfors either :P | 12:37 |
| netzvieh | faiden: what's stopping you? | 12:37 |
| faiden | The price, still need to save some cash ( poor linux student) | 12:37 |
| ln- | Teme: but do you say Tukholma when speaking to swedes? | 12:38 |
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| Teme | i'd say Stockholm | 12:40 |
| Teme | don't know the swedish name | 12:40 |
| faiden | Juttu! | 12:40 |
| ln- | Teme: what do you say about the other big swedish city in the west, the name begins with G? | 12:41 |
| Teme | Göteborg? | 12:42 |
| faiden | Göteborg? | 12:42 |
| jabis | jööttepori | 12:42 |
| ln- | Teme: ok, so you don't know the english name in that case. | 12:42 |
| jabis | x) | 12:42 |
| Teme | Gothenburg? | 12:42 |
| faiden | Gothenburg? | 12:42 |
| ln- | yes | 12:42 |
| * phdeswer wonders which evil mind started this silly translate the name of a place thing. | 12:43 | |
| Teme | well, it's just should you say in english conversation Haaparanta/Haparanda and Tornio/Torneå | 12:44 |
| phdeswer | I believe people should use the name of the locality as used in that locality | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | phdeswer: but that would require utf-16 :P | 12:45 |
| Teme | :D | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | also, knowledge of other symbol systems | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | granted, some translations are just funny | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | e.g., austria | 12:46 |
| Teme | ggabriel: how about Hyvinkää/Hyvinge where the swedish name doesn't have umlauts and it's in Finland ;) | 12:46 |
| jabis | well, in Finland we have this thing called mandatory bilingualism | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | Teme: agree, but i was thinking about japanese/chinese | 12:46 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: that is actually translated to german... | 12:47 |
| phdeswer | jabis: Used to it too as I am from Belgium. And it was really annoying not knowing half of the places in the country as the newspapers always insisted in using a translation. | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: my argument works as well :P | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | some spanish translations are very funny too | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | funny as in "how the hell did you work that out" | 12:48 |
| phdeswer | Drives foreigners mad when they drive through Belgium as road signs to the same place can change during the travel. | 12:48 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: or do you mean the finnish word for it... | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | no, i mean the difference between "austria" and "osterleich(?)" | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | regardless of the direction of the translation | 12:49 |
| chem|st | phdeswer: same in northern spain... when all for a sudden the language changes | 12:49 |
| chem|st | österreich | 12:49 |
| jabis | österreich | 12:49 |
| ggabriel | only northern spain? :D | 12:49 |
| ggabriel | yeah, thanks | 12:49 |
| ggabriel | ich nich sprachen deutsche | 12:49 |
| chem|st | well down south you have the same | 12:49 |
| jabis | ich spreche, aber nur ein bisschen, vergisst einfach alles | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | i agree wholeheartedly | 12:50 |
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| jabis | can't remember last time I used german verbally - like 15 years ago or something - apart from few minor stop&go's in hannover, dresden and berlin | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | helsingor and helsingborg are also fun | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | they may look like translations, but they are different cities | 12:52 |
| jabis | dont forget helsingfors | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | luckily they are a ferry away if you make a mistake | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | that's in .fi, right? | 12:53 |
| jabis | yes | 12:53 |
| jabis | Helsinki - our capital, lol :D | 12:53 |
| ln- | jabis: hannover is hanover in english. | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | yeah, that one is farther away | 12:53 |
| jabis | ln-, lazy ass british folks in dark ages x) | 12:54 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: for austria there are several things to keep in mind, it is the eastern part of the kingdoms and was latinized from an actual old-germanian word which means in old-german eastern- | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: a) you're full of interesting facts; b) it still works as an example... most translations have some historical explanation | 12:56 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: also austria is analogue to uncle sam | 12:56 |
| chem|st | calling it austria everywhere would fit and +1 on your b!!! | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | it gets more interesting when cultures foreign to europe try to translate netherlands | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | which has such a complex geopolitical system | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | let's translate sailfish os to different languages :D | 12:58 |
| jabis | alankomaat in finnish, tho hollanti is what they speak aka dutsch | 12:59 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | purjekala? | 13:00 |
| jabis | indeed it is | 13:01 |
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| phdeswer | Oh and then you have the Belgians who like to call it Holland (and ignore the rest of the Netherlands) | 13:02 |
| jabis | I love Hollandaise - the sauce :3 | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | phdeswer: well, some people don't get the difference | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | it's quite interesting tho | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | but why so complex | 13:04 |
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| faiden | There I just ordered a Jolla shower me with words | 13:22 |
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| ggabriel | congrats! | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | what's the wait time these days? | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | also, which oh? | 13:23 |
| faiden | Wich? the main one | 13:24 |
| faiden | white background | 13:24 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: we ordered one for my wife, got it in 5 days | 13:24 |
| TheBootroo_work | (poppy red) | 13:24 |
| faiden | Wonder if I have to pick it up from my post office or how I will receive it | 13:25 |
| faiden | It will ship with FedEx but not sure how far they will take it | 13:25 |
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| faiden | Hmm what if the other part could be a holder for all my cards... | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo_work: whaaaat, and we had to wait for so long!!! | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | faiden: look at accessories | 13:31 |
| faiden | intressting | 13:32 |
| faiden | there are 3 backsides | 13:32 |
| faiden | well 2 and a case | 13:32 |
| faiden | I wanted a backside to slide my cards into | 13:32 |
| faiden | like compartments built into the 2nd part | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah, lastucase is sold out isn't it | 13:35 |
| faiden | no clue | 13:38 |
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| faiden | I hope the phone has some backup/reset tools because I like to accidentally break my phone having to much fun with the settings/coding | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | upgrade to latest version, and it has | 13:42 |
| faiden | Sweet | 13:42 |
| faiden | Like a reset tool from the PC or something | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | ah, no | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | look it up in tjc (or jolla.com/guide) | 13:43 |
| faiden | ty | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | for instructions on how to reset | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | not sure if jolla.com/guide was updated with these details | 13:43 |
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| chem|st | faiden: you have backups to sdcard, a factory reset, a bootloader with several rescue functions, a rescuemode you can telnet to with a rescue shell and reset options | 13:49 |
| chem|st | that is features top down | 13:50 |
| chem|st | faiden: the 3d-printer files are out there if you want to make a card-TOH | 13:51 |
| faiden | sounds like they have thought about everything ty kind sir | 13:51 |
| chem|st | faiden: if there is no direct fedex they usually work with the local dhl branch or even local postal service | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i got it delivered by fedex | 13:52 |
| chem|st | faiden: there is a develpackage to download from the jolla site somewhere | 13:52 |
| faiden | sounds good, rather pick it up at the post office than someone leaving it outside my apartment | 13:52 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: back to the naming^^ I was always wondering why it is so fscked up with the names, at least the "translation" could be something which is in the local language but spoken the same or close to it at least | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | yup, i agree | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | it wastes people's time | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | (seeing that we humans have a limited amount of time to learn X amount of things) | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | but i don't want to get too metaphysical | 13:55 |
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| chem|st | I know people speaking 7 languages fluently and like 15 written, that is a hell of a stack | 13:56 |
| chem|st | (21 broken) | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | can they do math? :D | 13:56 |
| chem|st | jep | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | so they have to know all the translations for a lot of places, or just guess | 13:57 |
| chem|st | this was my language lector at school who taught me how to do math in a fast scattered way without even using pen/paper | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | ah, yeah, read a book about it | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | loads of concentration | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | btw, japanese implements foreign language's names for most places | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | but it's interesting | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | because you have to learn how to say them with a japanese accent | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | otherwise it doesn't work | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | sometimes they get them from english tho (e.g., france) | 13:59 |
| chem|st | I only know the basics of it and it helps alot with multiplying numbers above 10 | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | but france is furansu | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | and furansu is how you'd say france with a japanese accent :D | 13:59 |
| chem|st | loll | 13:59 |
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| chem|st | didn't we have an espeak engine somewhere? | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | basically, because of phonetics and accents and whatnot you can't really respect the original spelling/pronounciation of the place | 14:00 |
| chem|st | on n900 I set several events with text output | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | pronunciation even | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | not sure, i don't want my phone to start speaking all by itself | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | i may end up having a conversation with it | 14:00 |
| chem|st | phonetics are a bitch | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | harry potter = a reporter | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | but spoken by a thai person (or thereabouts) | 14:01 |
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| chem|st | phoneme you did not hear as child get lost... like the click language in afrika... all clicks sound the same - for us | 14:02 |
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| ggabriel | the african click i'm happy to try to reproduce! :D | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | just because it's cool | 14:06 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, what was the situation about jolla's usb port? no mouse/keyboard ever? | 14:07 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: if you never learned the phonetics you wont be able to afaik | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | i think something about phdeswer, tbr, laptop and a beer experiments | 14:07 |
| tbr | yes | 14:08 |
| faenil | yeah I read in #sailfishos and that reminded me of the situation | 14:08 |
| chem|st | mouse? a kbd I undestand... but mouse? | 14:08 |
| phdeswer | yep we're going to have a go at it | 14:08 |
| faenil | tbr, so, do you have more details? | 14:08 |
| faenil | phdeswer, a go at what? | 14:08 |
| tbr | faenil: ask me tomorrow :) | 14:08 |
| faenil | grrrrr :D | 14:08 |
| SK_work | :D | 14:09 |
| phdeswer | USB host mode fakery | 14:09 |
| chem|st | sounds like fun and http://xkcd.com/323/ | 14:09 |
| faenil | yeah but, like, what's the max theorically achievable, if everything goes ok? | 14:10 |
| faenil | nvm, I'll ask tomorrow... :p | 14:10 |
| chem|st | faenil: proof of work, late evening 2morrow | 14:11 |
| SK_work | chem|st: late = 11:59 pm local time | 14:11 |
| phdeswer | faenil: if the thing works you could connect some usb gadgets to the port. Although since you would need external power usefulness is rather limited | 14:11 |
| chem|st | SK_work: exactly! | 14:12 |
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| faenil | phdeswer, so best result you can achieve is to fake the non-power side completely | 14:12 |
| chem|st | ehrm, make that proof of concept^^ | 14:12 |
| maddler | hey, just got my Jolla and trying to install google Play using http://www.jollatides.com/2014/04/03/updated-installing-google-play-on-jolla/ | 14:13 |
| phdeswer | faenil: well usb otg, without the otg bit :) So basically manually switching the port and hope that it then works as a USB host | 14:13 |
| maddler | I just can't find the APKs I was supposed to be copying :) | 14:13 |
| maddler | any clue anyone? | 14:13 |
| chem|st | maddler: look on together not some blog... | 14:14 |
| faenil | phdeswer, switch the port? as in, soldering? :D | 14:14 |
| maddler | chem|st: cheers mate, lemme have a look | 14:14 |
| phdeswer | faenil: no :) We supply power with a hacked up cable | 14:14 |
| faenil | I imagined that much :P | 14:15 |
| faenil | ah ok so it's about supplying power with the hacked up cable and see if the rest goes by itself | 14:15 |
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| phdeswer | The usb port is normally in what we call slave mode (in this case) So we need to switch it to host mode, so it can behave like your regular USB port on your pc. | 14:16 |
| chem|st | maddler: https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 14:16 |
| phdeswer | with otg all this happens automatic and the port will supply power. So that is the bit we will fake. | 14:16 |
| phdeswer | short simplified explanation of course | 14:16 |
| faenil | and the mode switch is software side? | 14:16 |
| maddler | chem|st: same I just found | 14:16 |
| maddler | chem|st: those steps won't work | 14:17 |
| faenil | or does it require a hw hack or something? | 14:17 |
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| maddler | Phonesky.apk is missing | 14:17 |
| phdeswer | faenil: it is a combined hw/sw hack | 14:17 |
| maddler | as well as the others apk | 14:17 |
| faenil | phdeswer, even just to change to host mode? (I'm not talking about power) | 14:17 |
| maddler | chem|st: I'll try downloading a different gapps package, perhaps | 14:17 |
| phdeswer | faenil: to change host mode software should be enough, but nothing will work as anything you connect will expect to get power from the port. That's where the HW hack comes from | 14:19 |
| faenil | phdeswer, ok, as expected...thanks ;) | 14:20 |
| phdeswer | And then it is just hoping all is there and we can get what we plug in recognized etc... | 14:20 |
| faenil | phdeswer, good luck :D | 14:20 |
| faenil | wish I were there to have fun with you :p | 14:20 |
| phdeswer | Much depends on the USB driver being able to switch. There is kernel support, but it has never been tested and there are no specs... | 14:20 |
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| faenil | I see | 14:21 |
| phdeswer | faenil: We'll make sure to drag you into this through IRC ;) | 14:21 |
| faenil | :D | 14:21 |
| phdeswer | We will blame you for everything that goes wrong ;) | 14:21 |
| faenil | \o/ | 14:21 |
| faenil | :D | 14:21 |
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| faenil | cool...news from 1999 | 14:22 |
| faenil | "there aren't any USB chips which will function as slave *and* host" | 14:22 |
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| phdeswer | Not at the same time for sure not. | 14:24 |
| faenil | yeah :) | 14:24 |
| phdeswer | If you want a major headache you should read the USB spec ;) | 14:24 |
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| faenil | nah, I'll let you have that fun :p | 14:25 |
| SK_work | faenil: you won't get beer :) | 14:26 |
| faenil | hehe | 14:26 |
| phdeswer | I am sure faenil can get beer. The shops probably are still open and sell beer cheaper than here. | 14:27 |
| phdeswer | And for sure he has better food. | 14:28 |
| faenil | I don't like beer :( | 14:28 |
| SK_work | faenil: you don't like average beer | 14:28 |
| phdeswer | Next time we should plan this sooner ahead and go to faenils place. | 14:28 |
| SK_work | I think that phdeswer, as a belgian guy, can make you like beer :) | 14:28 |
| faenil | SK_work, why does everyone say that same sentence when I tell them I don't like beer? xD | 14:28 |
| SK_work | :D | 14:28 |
| SK_work | faenil: I don't like beer | 14:28 |
| SK_work | average beer | 14:28 |
| faenil | SK_work, I was in Delirium, fwiw :p | 14:29 |
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| faenil | phdeswer, exactly! | 14:29 |
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| faenil | ow https://twitter.com/khertan/status/471646099481321472 | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: yeah, i wonder what's breaking with the card | 14:32 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: luck | 14:32 |
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| SK_work | he is the guy who got sim tray malfunctioning, even after optima taking care of his device 2 times | 14:33 |
| SK_work | maybe yet another reboot corrupted his sd | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i genuinely feel sorry for him, that's obviously not the experience to be offered | 14:33 |
| faenil | yeah :/ | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | i've had a beagleboard roast a couple of my sds | 14:34 |
| faenil | let's just hope there aren't many people having his same issues and not writing it on twitter | 14:34 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: he asked Jolla x times about getting a refund | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: :nod: | 14:34 |
| SK_work | do you know why Jolla wouldn't want this ? | 14:34 |
| SK_work | (just a question) | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | probably btrfs formatted iwth a newer kernel | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | it's happened before | 14:34 |
| faenil | jolla denied the refund? | 14:34 |
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| SK_work | faenil: it seems | 14:35 |
| SK_work | care (or optima) want to repair the device istead of just giving him a refund | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: not that i can talk about; i can only speak of my limited understanding of EU law things - 30 days for refund after purchase, two year guarantee in EU: "Wherever you buy goods in the EU, you have two years to request repairs or replacement if they turn out to be faulty or not as advertised. If a product cannot be repaired or replaced within a reasonable time or without inconvenience, you may request a refund or price reduction." | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: and i'm not trying to hide behind the law here, just explaining rights | 14:37 |
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| Stskeeps | both for seller and purchaser | 14:38 |
| ln- | SK_work: can't be optima's responsibility to allow or deny refunds. | 14:38 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: agree :) | 14:38 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: however, as a device that do not function, it might be different ? | 14:38 |
| SK_work | I don't know | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's the thing .. i think the 30 day thing is that after that the burden is on the customer to prove | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | before that, it's the company | 14:39 |
| pp | try using the 2 year EU thing with apple ;) | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | (i might be wrong!) | 14:39 |
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| faenil | actually I guess just showing that LTE doesn't work should be able to grant a refund :D | 14:40 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: np | 14:40 |
| SK_work | just wanted to understand | 14:40 |
| SK_work | faenil: :D | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | meh, people get angry when they lose data | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | no company in the world will ever guarantee data | 14:41 |
| phdeswer | Not to mention the plethora of shitty cheap SD cards out there. For all we know khertans SD card is crap.. | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, or that there's a bug that we don't unmount sd cards properly | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | everything is possible | 14:42 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: well, you can be angry if this happens for the first time | 14:43 |
| faenil | phdeswer, your job is to assume it's your fault, not the client's :D | 14:43 |
| SK_work | in fact his device is rebooting since sept | 14:43 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps: that was also a thought. | 14:43 |
| SK_work | and SD car being corrupted all the time too :) | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | my 5800 used to hang/reboot with a crappy sd card | 14:43 |
| phdeswer | faenil: true. But SD cards are a big unknown quantity. I am trying to remember the SD card test where they even had the sd-cards firmware fake its size. | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | it's well known that corruption is possible with btrfs tho | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | if you do'nt know what you're doing | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | regardless of all this, data can't be guaranteed | 14:44 |
| phdeswer | ggabriel: seems he is using ext4 | 14:44 |
| faenil | phdeswer, the fake size is still widespread afaik | 14:44 |
| phdeswer | faenil: so it would be interesting to identify if he has one of those cards. Because ext4 should not corrupt that easily. | 14:45 |
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| faenil | phdeswer, I want to believe he's tested that at least with another card, or maybe he was using that card in another phone already | 14:46 |
| faenil | I don't think he'd accept such annoying issues without giving another card a try :) | 14:47 |
| phdeswer | Well I hope Stskeeps can help him figure out what's wrong. And of course I am not saying khertan is wrong. I don't know him at all. I was just eliminating things. | 14:47 |
| faenil | yeah | 14:48 |
| phdeswer | Also the card could be worn out now, flash is still very fragile. Just going through options of course. | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | phdeswer: yup, ext4 w/o the sd option may be dangerous | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | check gopro hero 3 black sd card issues - they ended up testing 4 or 5 brands and saying "there, use these or it's your problem" | 14:49 |
| phdeswer | The most obvious ones are either nasty shutdowns while logs are being written, pulling out the card when the writes are not done yet (due to caching), or a bad card | 14:49 |
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| phdeswer | ggabriel: the huge amount of crappy cards out there is most likely why gopro made such a statement. Of course it is not very helpful. | 14:50 |
| phdeswer | Anyway I am supposed to be on my way to training... | 14:51 |
| sharpneli | Ahmagad @ that jollamoralstandards dude. | 14:51 |
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| ggabriel | phdeswer: in particular, mislabeling them with class 10. still it can be crappier | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | phdeswer: go train :P | 14:51 |
| phdeswer | ggabriel: anyway if your card corrupts often, I assume it is broken. I have a few of those. You can format them fine. Copy a bit of data on it, and soon enough it is over and out and it is corrupt again. | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | aye | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | have 2 of those | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | not sure why i keep them | 14:54 |
| phdeswer | Anyway I am off. Catch you guys later. | 14:54 |
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| Tumeez | Why blue led still blinking? No new messages and missing call's... | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | skype? | 15:11 |
| Tumeez | No. | 15:11 |
| faenil | happened to me a few times as well | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | e-mail messages you marked as read on your pc? | 15:13 |
| Tumeez | I don't connect my email in jolla | 15:13 |
| Tumeez | Never. | 15:13 |
| faenil | email is yellow | 15:13 |
| faenil | (or green? whatever) | 15:13 |
| Tumeez | Green is missing calls? | 15:13 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: has happened me few times too. Common problem I must say | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 15:14 |
| Scelt | but usually _after_ an incoming message (sms or fb chat) and after dismissing it on the phone so maybe sometimes message app doesn't mark them as read | 15:15 |
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| faenil | Tumeez, well some colours overlap afaik, I only see blue and green on my jolla (I also wonder why) | 15:15 |
| Quu | Tumeez: such rallyengrish ;) | 15:16 |
| Tumeez | Quu pls ;( | 15:16 |
| Quu | huehuehue | 15:16 |
| Tumeez | :( | 15:16 |
| Quu | you sad? | 15:16 |
| Quu | gonna sue me now? | 15:16 |
| Tumeez | I try solve my problem.. Nothing anymore.. | 15:17 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: there's salmiakki pizza?! | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | .. with pineapple?! | 15:19 |
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| Quu | and mustard | 15:20 |
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| Oni^ | one can order if you really want | 15:20 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: the ULTIMATE finnish food! | 15:24 |
| Oni^ | thought pure ammonium cloride is salt like substance | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, i wonder if salmiakki would work well as replacement for bacon in a pasta carbonara.. | 15:25 |
| Tumeez | :D | 15:25 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, PLEASE! | 15:26 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: probably would | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: the italian in you is feeling bad? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:27 |
| locusf | nice, now I want bacon | 15:27 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, I'm choking | 15:28 |
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| * stephg googles salmiakki | 15:30 | |
| stephg | ah | 15:30 |
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| tbr | stephg: oblig: http://www.salmiyuck.com/ | 15:39 |
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| stephg | lol 'The taste stayed with me halfway to Copenhagen, and took nearly half a pack of gum to finally rid myself of. Considering that the Lakulätkä Lakrits Puck was mostly ice cream, I'll rate it as almost edible.' | 15:46 |
| Jupp3 | stephg: Those later ones are after he was already clearly getting used to the taste :) | 15:49 |
| tbr | the first ones he actually posted on thedailywhatthefuck | 15:50 |
| stephg | haha | 15:51 |
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| AL13N | guys, i linked to 2nice articles on namespaces and cgroups to my post: https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/#post-id-9951 | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: special: thp: ^ | 16:34 |
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| Aard | AL13N: we're working on a prototype to see if using cgroups is possible in our architecture | 16:35 |
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| AL13N | net_cls — this subsystem tags network packets with a class identifier (classid) that allows the Linux traffic controller (tc) to identify packets originating from a particular cgroup task. | 16:36 |
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| AL13N | that looks nice, for disallowing internet access for apps | 16:36 |
| AL13N | for instance | 16:36 |
| AL13N | not sure, but with the IPC namespaces, we could actually also do some kind of restricted communication between devices | 16:37 |
| AL13N | though probably DBUS would be easier | 16:37 |
| AL13N | *between apps | 16:37 |
| Yaniel | sounds like a good idea | 16:38 |
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| javispedro | namespaces and cgroups mix badly | 17:00 |
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| RzR | dammit my jolla is frozen how to reset it without pulling out the battery ? | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | define frozen, can you still ssh to it? | 18:31 |
| RzR | it rebooted by its own :0 | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds more kernel panic-y | 18:32 |
| RzR | would getting the log help ? | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | anything in /proc/lastlog/* ? | 18:32 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: when does /proc/lastlog/ appear? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: after a hwreboot which was a kernel crash | 18:34 |
| RzR | what should i grep ? | 18:34 |
| RzR | <4>[116310.958079] QSEECOM: qseecom_receive_req: Interrupted: exiting wait_rcv_req loop | 18:34 |
| RzR | ? | 18:34 |
| phdeswer | RzR: usually something with lots of random numbers. | 18:34 |
| phdeswer | Null pointer or so often too | 18:35 |
| RzR | no kernel oops | 18:35 |
| javispedro | nor panic? =) | 18:35 |
| phdeswer | So it rebooted but no kernel oops? Then it must be something else | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | eh | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | run a 'strings' on it | 18:37 |
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| RzR | <3>[116938.738149] wlan: [970:E :HDD] wlan_hdd_cfg80211_inform_bss_frame: Use RSSI from BSS frame associated rssi=-4600 | 18:37 |
| RzR | <4>[116939.153714] harbour-ytplaye invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201da, order=0, oom_adj=0, oom_score_adj=-50 | 18:37 |
| RzR | <4>[116939.153775] [<c0014c5c>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0x11c) from [<c0103af8>] (dump_header.constprop.6+0x6c/0x17c) | 18:37 |
| RzR | <4>[116939.153806] [<c0103af8>] (dump_header.constprop.6+0x6c/0x17c) from [<c0103d48>] (oom_kill_process.part.2.constprop.3+0x4c/0x21c) | 18:37 |
| RzR | <4>[116939.153836] [<c0103d48>] (oom_kill_process.part.2.constprop.3+0x4c/0x21c) from [<c010432c>] (out_of_memory+0x2d0/0x390) | 18:37 |
| ShadowJK | whoah | 18:37 |
| RzR | <4>[116939.153867] [<c010432c>] (out_of_memory+0x2d0/0x390) from [<c0107094>] (__alloc_pages_nodemask+0x4e4/0x668) | 18:37 |
| RzR | that's this litle youtube bastard | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so you hit the 'out of memory and device rebooted' | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | likely | 18:37 |
| ShadowJK | my jolla was so happy on wifi earlier, now it disconnects so often it took 7 swipes via settings to connect wifi whike writing this.. 11 | 18:39 |
| RzR | well this is the 1st reboot in a month usage | 18:39 |
| RzR | but i am about to switch back to n9 since i'm going to the us :) | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | tizen conference? | 18:40 |
| Sailor356 | hey guys ive problem with the.native mail app. ive in this app three.different mail accounts and one of these has every 11hours problems with sign in. if i edit the credentials and save it. i have to type the credentials again and im logged in for the next 11hour's | 18:40 |
| RzR | anyone matter of my thought on the system | 18:40 |
| RzR | Stskeeps, yes | 18:40 |
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| RzR | the UI is definitely nice but the ergonomy does not compete w/ harmattan yet | 18:42 |
| javispedro | Sailor356, always 11 hours? are you sure don't reboot or do anything in the meantime? | 18:42 |
| RzR | but Qt and android runtime are just excellent | 18:43 |
| * Stskeeps puts faenil's connection on fir | 18:43 | |
| Stskeeps | e | 18:43 |
| javispedro | so. | 18:43 |
| javispedro | if I go to the US, what can I expect re Jolla? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: 2G | 18:43 |
| Jope | and wifi | 18:44 |
| javispedro | may 4G be possible with the future upgrade? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | i think only in canada which has band 7, i think | 18:44 |
| javispedro | hmh | 18:44 |
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| javispedro | at least 2G is confirmed, which is good enough | 18:44 |
| Sailor356 | javispedro: sometimes i have the problem after 5 hours but my device is always on. rebooting it didn't fixed the problem.. but when i sleeping in turn the jolla in flight mode | 18:44 |
| javispedro | always use t-mobile's 2g speeds plan... so. | 18:45 |
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| Sailor356 | javispedro: any idea? | 18:49 |
| javispedro | no | 18:50 |
| javispedro | is it imap? | 18:50 |
| Sailor356 | yes | 18:50 |
| javispedro | have you tried removing and readding the account? :) | 18:50 |
| Sailor356 | jep | 18:51 |
| Sailor356 | ^^ | 18:51 |
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| faenil_ | what did I do to deserve this internet connection :( | 19:06 |
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| faenil__ | ah jolla's 3g bands are not compatible with US ones? | 19:14 |
| faenil__ | didn't know that | 19:14 |
| faenil__ | is it triband? | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | penta? | 19:16 |
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| dr_ | Flame become a must | 20:19 |
| dr_ | I see on twitter | 20:20 |
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| rigo | dr_: look at the privacy interface. It is world class | 20:58 |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 21:16 | |
| *** Stskeeps sets mode: +b *!*fk_lx@37.187.81.* | 21:16 | |
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| Stskeeps | jesus fucking christ | 21:18 |
| slate | dont believe it | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | go check his twitter account and google translate, that's enough for me. | 21:18 |
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| slate | unhappy customer | 21:21 |
| slate | +kb | 21:21 |
| slate | :D | 21:21 |
| bef0rd | that dude has issues. | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | he went and picked out my wife from my twitter contacts and started spewing this shit at her | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | that's so not okay. | 21:22 |
| slate | nope. | 21:23 |
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| kimmoli | omg | 21:24 |
| w00t | clearly he didn't grab a snickers after all | 21:24 |
| FireFly | Uh. | 21:24 |
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| RzR | ouch http://khertan.net/posts/jolla_28_weeks_later | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, fwd'ed it so we review it a bit | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | there's nothing wrong with telling what's wrong with a product | 21:40 |
| RzR | and there s nothing good when it's not fixed :) | 21:41 |
| RzR | well i wont complain because I know you're put your heart into make it better every day | 21:41 |
| phdeswer | Well from the info he 9/10 has an SD card with worn out sectors => corruption | 21:42 |
| RzR | but he's right about the outdoor usage | 21:43 |
| phdeswer | And if he really wants mass-storage I documented a trick here to have it : https://together.jolla.com/question/10002/alternative-to-mtp-usb-mass-storage/ | 21:43 |
| phdeswer | He must have a lot more sunny weather than I have here. But yes when it is sunny the screen is hard to read. | 21:44 |
| RzR | will a high contrast ambiance fix it or mod ? | 21:44 |
| RzR | anyway the fonts are two narrow | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | regarding mechanical qualities of the screen | 21:45 |
| RzR | should be fixable easly ... | 21:45 |
| phdeswer | RzR: high contrast will help. But that partly depends on what kind of ambiance you use | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | I was pleasantly surprised recently | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | well, first frightened - after my Jolla dropped about 1.5 m screen down on floor with tiles | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | but surprisingly, the screen was just fine :) | 21:46 |
| RzR | but the ground did not survive :) | 21:47 |
| phdeswer | Well it is Gorilla Glass2 ;) But even then it is not indestructable or unscratchable | 21:48 |
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| Teme | i have a scratch on my Jolla's screen, don't know how it got there :( | 22:00 |
| phdeswer | Teme: Should not have put it in your bag of diamonds ;) | 22:01 |
| Teme | aww dang :( | 22:06 |
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| faenil | phdeswer, I share khertan's feeling that this is not Gorilla Glass 2, told this a few months ago already :p | 22:14 |
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| faenil | I just hope Jolla wasn't cheated :) | 22:14 |
| phdeswer | faenil: well if it isn't Jolla is being ripped off. | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | I remember someone foaming on about gorilla glass once. I asked him what the big deal was, and he said it's as strong as car windshield, so it wont scratch. Dude has clearly not seen my windshield. | 22:15 |
| faenil | phdeswer, yeah | 22:15 |
| faenil | ShadowJK, lol :D | 22:15 |
| phdeswer | But afaik it is not unscratchable either. And it seems to be harder than some gorilla glass 1 device I have | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | whatever it is, it can survive at least one fall to the floor made of ceramic tiles :) | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | uranium glass ? :) | 22:16 |
| javispedro | I don't want to extrapolate from a single event, but it's also the only device I've ever managed to shatter the screen =) | 22:16 |
| javispedro | s/shatter/crack/ | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, I dropped my Nokia phone onto my asus tablet (with gorilla glass). Guess which one got scratched | 22:16 |
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| javispedro | for me at least I suspect it's a combination of larger screen (more fragile) + gorilla glass (even more fragile) | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | In general the higher you turn up scratch resistance, the more fragile it becomes :-) | 22:17 |
| phdeswer | And well glass is brittle no matter what you do. | 22:17 |
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| M4rtinK | ShadowJK: yeah, that's a classical trade-off | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | scratch/cut proof -> more brittle | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | less brittle/flexible -> can be scratched/cut more easily | 22:19 |
| phdeswer | And unfortunately anecdotical evidence as my gorilla glass device got scratched, but my non-gorilla glass didn't is is useless. | 22:20 |
| faenil | yeah, we should go back to first topic, Jolla's scratch-resistance, not unshatterability :D | 22:20 |
| phdeswer | My first N9 device did not have a scratch after heavy use for over 6 months. I had the new one for a week and it was scratched. | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC that's why IIRC some types of armor & swords have a hard outer shell with a flexible inner core | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | not sure if that is applicable to smartphone screens | 22:20 |
| faenil | phdeswer, that's interesting, I wanted to say the same about N9, it didn't have a scratch after months | 22:21 |
| faenil | and Jolla has 2 scratches already (minor ones, N9 was perfect instead) | 22:21 |
| faenil | and I should say my phone are always in a dedicated pocket | 22:21 |
| faenil | phones* | 22:21 |
| faenil | no diamonds :P | 22:21 |
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| * javispedro has no scratches on new jolla despite using metal tip stylus =) | 22:22 | |
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| phdeswer | What I mean it is impossible to be sure what scratched it and why. | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK | you don't need diamonds, even normal sand is pretty abrasive | 22:23 |
| phdeswer | And sand easily gets into pockets. | 22:23 |
| javispedro | wtf, a tv ad just used the Pidgin new IM jingle | 22:24 |
| javispedro | got totally confused for a few minutes | 22:24 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, sure | 22:25 |
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| faenil | javispedro, put the popcorns away, I don't want you to risk your life! | 22:39 |
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| kimmoli | wtf is going on ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWHMb3JxmE | 22:42 |
| javispedro | http://themodernmage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/homer-popcorn.png | 22:42 |
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| javispedro | ^ that was my face when I got to the google translated part | 22:44 |
| faenil | javispedro, XD | 22:44 |
| javispedro | faenil: I suspect neither of us thought him capable of this crusade after brussels.. | 22:45 |
| faenil | yeah... | 22:45 |
| faenil | I'm sad that we lost a guy who had many good ideas and could have used his energy to build (or complain) with us | 22:46 |
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| faenil | he's just crossed any border now, I'm not sure he still has a chance to go back | 22:47 |
| faenil | I don't know why he's focusing so much on attacking jolla | 22:47 |
| faenil | so much effort, so much time, so much dedication... | 22:47 |
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| faenil | I...don't know why he's doing this | 22:47 |
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| Eyea | Jolla )0!1@ yoh | 22:48 |
| javispedro | faenil: never too late given enough time | 22:50 |
| javispedro | well, unless he's already hired his lawyer army | 22:50 |
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| faenil | it was an issue with thp, it became an issue with Jolla, now it's basically a battle against Stskeeps... | 22:51 |
| faenil | what's going on? | 22:51 |
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| javispedro | I don't know, but he managed to lost my sympathy | 22:52 |
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| javispedro | *lose | 22:52 |
| javispedro | and I'm quite trollish sometimes too =) | 22:53 |
| faenil | javispedro, crossed every borders, I can't put it differently | 22:53 |
| faenil | I defended him as long as it made sense to... | 22:56 |
| faenil | and that's clearly not the case anymore | 22:56 |
| javispedro | probably a lesson for all of us in future occasions | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | Supposedly he's left a "Request to investigate" with the Helsinki police, accusing Jolla of discrimination | 22:57 |
| faenil | yep | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | If I was a police officer, I'd take the opportunity/excuse to visit JollaHQ and talk to cool people ;-) | 22:58 |
| javispedro | that's definitely too fanboyish =) | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 22:59 |
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| javispedro | you'd obviously have more luck filling a complaint with a consumer protection office than using some law clearly based on employment practices | 23:01 |
| slate | was just about to say that.. | 23:02 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro, well.. it can be applied to other things too | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | Hotels have been fined for refusing customers from specific countries. | 23:03 |
| w00t | javispedro: you? trollish? nah | 23:03 |
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| w00t | javispedro: also, i'm sorry my popcorn caused you distress =( | 23:04 |
| faenil | night people o/ | 23:05 |
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| javispedro | w00t: well, I'll sue you now! | 23:05 |
| javispedro | gnite faenil | 23:06 |
| w00t | nighty night faenil | 23:06 |
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| kimmoli | GN - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms6qXltHvzo | 23:14 |
| javispedro | ok, today I learnt something | 23:15 |
| javispedro | I found this gif: http://cdn.overclock.net/8/89/330x248px-LL-89cc3064_Popcorn-02-Stephen-Colbert.gif =) | 23:15 |
| javispedro | (though my apologies to the involved people, which I am sure are not finding popcorn references funny any longer) | 23:16 |
| w00t | so, you learned that the internet contains gifs of people eating popcorn? :P | 23:19 |
| javispedro | no, I found the _purrfect_ one!! | 23:19 |
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| javispedro | there's definitely some room for improvement with all the grainy dithering | 23:20 |
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