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| coderus | Aard: can you probably set sqlite default password to jolla account one or security code lock? | 05:36 |
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| Aard | coderus: that would compromise the security of the security lock / jolla account | 07:06 |
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| coderus | is the sqlite password bruteforce too easy? | 07:07 |
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| coderus | i'm just guessing :) | 07:07 |
| coderus | or providing system like kde/gnome keyrings | 07:08 |
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| Aard | coderus: no, in that case we'd need to store the password in plaintext somewhere so that apps can access it. back to square one | 07:25 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.0 update. Download: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu Changelog: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.0 | 07:52 |
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| netzvieh | is it possible to create new calendars? | 08:23 |
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| Nicd- | ok, time to empty my phone for optima | 08:36 |
| AL13N_work | ? | 08:36 |
| Nicd- | going in for SIM card repair | 08:37 |
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| Nicd- | well, SIM card holder repair to be exact | 08:38 |
| AL13N_work | oic | 08:38 |
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| crazy_imp | heyho | 09:47 |
| crazy_imp | is there a list with new features we can expect with the next release? | 09:48 |
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| tbr | yes, they posted a roadmap for u6/7 | 09:48 |
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| Stskeeps | plus https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/ | 09:49 |
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| crazy_imp | great, thanks :) | 09:51 |
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| Acce | what does "locked in QA" mean? | 09:57 |
| Acce | some new thing? before I was able to submit changes after the first submit too | 09:58 |
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| Acce | or does it mean it is currently being reviewed, perhaps? | 09:58 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: oooh, nice | 10:55 |
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| netzvieh | [10:23:56] <netzvieh> is it possible to create new calendars on the device? I'd like to have multiple local calendars ... | 12:40 |
| AL13N_work | netzvieh: no idea, but have you seen this: https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/ | 12:41 |
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| netzvieh | AL13N_work: yep, but regarding calendars I could only find the sync stuff | 12:44 |
| Kabouik | Does Alien support bluetooth already? I'm trying to connect to my PC using AIO remote (Android app), and it tells me my device doesn't support Bluetooth (it is on in Sailfish settings) | 12:46 |
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| AL13N_work | what do i support? | 12:56 |
| AL13N_work | ah wait, you meant aliendalvik | 12:57 |
| Kabouik | Well, not you, the other guy. Dalvik. :< | 12:57 |
| AL13N_work | gonna have to ship my jolla to care@ | 12:58 |
| AL13N_work | random reboot stuff | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | :( | 12:58 |
| AL13N_work | :-/ | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | i got a million random things yesterday | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | blinking red and green | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | battery was very low tho | 12:58 |
| AL13N_work | paper-fix seems to work, but may be placebo | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | and i kinda blame meerun | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | but i'll continue testing | 12:58 |
| AL13N_work | i don't have meerun installed | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | i didn't do paper fix just yet | 12:58 |
| coderus | and factory reset doesnt help? | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | my randomness only just started, and coincides with meerun | 12:59 |
| ggabriel | may be coincidence | 12:59 |
| AL13N_work | i had > 60% battery, so i didn't do factory reset | 12:59 |
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| ggabriel | something good has to come out of this distraction in the dev mailing list | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | namely, thread support in the email application :D | 13:07 |
| smokex | haha :D | 13:07 |
| smokex | also the talk of a forum is nice | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | i'm not reading tbh | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | sometimes ignoring is better | 13:08 |
| phdeswer | Well it is the same pro/con stuff about forum vs mailing list | 13:08 |
| smokex | the guy that started the thread has left and we are sicussing how to improve things now | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | albeit i saw one of his emails yesterday | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | it'd be nice to mark a full thread as read+delete :P | 13:09 |
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| netzvieh | ggabriel: thread support in mail app? | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | netzvieh: yeah, you know, like the n9 has (and ios, android) | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | email thread support | 13:17 |
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| netzvieh | yeah I know what thread support is :D but it seems I missed that it is/will be in the mail app | 13:20 |
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| ggabriel | netzvieh: oh, no, pure speculation on my part | 13:25 |
| CoderCandy | I feel lonley on minecraft | 13:25 |
| CoderCandy | ... wrong channel, sorry | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | lol | 13:26 |
| netzvieh | ggabriel: ah :D but improvements to the mail client would be most welcome ... | 13:26 |
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| ggabriel | they'd be nice indeed, altho it does work pretty well | 13:29 |
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| Kabouik | Anyone knows about my bluetooth/Aliendalvik question? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: not working | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | Ah, too bad. I thought I had seen something about Dalvik now being able to use some more hardware in a previous update, but perhaps it was for the camera? | 13:39 |
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| thargor | is anybody online who is using the jolla in switzerland? I'm asking because of some troubles with mms | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/38555/mms-issues-hints-for-debugging-and-helping-us-to-improve/ | 13:57 |
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| thargor | thanks stskeeps, but I'm interested to know if anybody has the same behavior or does probably have a solution (or even is able to help testing ;-)) | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, solution might be in comments :) | 13:58 |
| thargor | sending is working. But during receiving I'll get an 504 error. Could be the same as already posted in answer part. But I'm curious to know if they experience the same problem | 14:00 |
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| fk_lx_ | http://jollamoralstandards.blogspot.com/ | 14:53 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.1 hotfix released | 14:55 |
| TMavica | thanks | 14:56 |
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| chem|st | coderus: nice that you take care, but I'd be happy to see you to make use of your skills in better ways than supporting a multibillion$ company | 14:58 |
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| coderus | chem|st: sorry, what are you talking about? :) | 14:59 |
| chem|st | coderus: aren't you the maintainer of mitakuuluu? | 15:00 |
| coderus | sure, but what you mean in the message? | 15:00 |
| coderus | i didnt understood | 15:00 |
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| SK_work | coderus: I guess, supporting whatsapp | 15:00 |
| chem|st | mitakuuluu is a whatsapp client? | 15:00 |
| coderus | SK_work: ah, thanks :D | 15:01 |
| chem|st | the company that recently changed their terms to own all sent items | 15:01 |
| coderus | sorry, i dont care, i'm not paranoid :) | 15:01 |
| SK_work | coderus: what if you developed your own client, based on open protocols, with bridges to all other messengers :D | 15:01 |
| coderus | i used icq, google talk, and now i'm using whatsapp | 15:01 |
| coderus | i'm just doing what i like | 15:02 |
| chem|st | this has nothing to do with paranoia but respect of identities | 15:02 |
| SK_work | coderus: :) | 15:02 |
| coderus | if you hire me i can do whatewer you need | 15:02 |
| coderus | but unless.. ;) | 15:02 |
| SK_work | +1 | 15:02 |
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| chem|st | wasted talent | 15:03 |
| SK_work | chem|st: not at all | 15:03 |
| SK_work | whatsapp is popular, and coderus's app makes SFOS a bit more attractive | 15:04 |
| coderus | want to offer me a job? | 15:04 |
| chem|st | coderus: would love to but I have no budget left | 15:05 |
| coderus | if anyone have a company, or have a friend who have a company, or have a friend who have a friend with company, and want to hire mobile developer -> i'm here :) | 15:06 |
| chem|st | SK_work: true, just like a fully functional xmpp client would do | 15:07 |
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| chem|st | but as it was only important to support facebook chat, it is useless else | 15:08 |
| SK_work | chem|st: not for everybody | 15:08 |
| SK_work | because "normal people" want whatsapp | 15:08 |
| SK_work | chem|st: it supports my xmpp account so ... | 15:08 |
| SK_work | (the integrated xmpp support) | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | i guess chem|st refers to voice/video over xmpp too | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | but that requires mw and frontend dev | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | also, probably mw is pretty much there | 15:09 |
| chem|st | normal people want a working alternative to whatsapp - not so tech savvy friends tell me about features they do not have with other clients but would love to go elsewhere | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | so, it wouldn't be an "app", it'd be a plugin (which is the way it should be) | 15:09 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: +1 | 15:09 |
| chem|st | filetransfer is most important to most | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | whatsapp protocol should be a plugin too | 15:10 |
| chem|st | "can I send pictures with it?" | 15:10 |
| Oni^ | chem|st: tell them there is IRC | 15:10 |
| ggabriel | i guess the api's are not normalised just yet | 15:10 |
| chem|st | Oni^: problem is, the android clients are all fsckup BS | 15:11 |
| chem|st | for anything | 15:11 |
| coderus | when you'll do muc support for conversations app, and provide api for controlling my plugin, i'll make whatsapp account plugin :) | 15:11 |
| chem|st | I do not know an xmpp client that has full functionality on android either | 15:11 |
| SK_work | chem|st: because there isn't ? | 15:11 |
| chem|st | coderus: porting it to telepathy, that is where the api is | 15:12 |
| SK_work | xmpp protocol is not standardized enough to have video between (eg) your instance, and google talk | 15:12 |
| SK_work | for example | 15:12 |
| chem|st | SK_work: gtalk isn't xmpp anymore | 15:12 |
| SK_work | chem|st: not hangouts, gtalk | 15:12 |
| Oni^ | If there is one for Nintendo DS why not to android | 15:13 |
| chem|st | thought that is turned off by now | 15:13 |
| coderus | chem|st: i'm talking about sailfish supoprt for muc | 15:13 |
| coderus | chem|st: i'm still using gtalk xmpp :) | 15:13 |
| chem|st | coderus: you mean the messaging frontend of SFOS | 15:13 |
| chem|st | ah ok thought that was gone by march or april | 15:14 |
| coderus | chem|st: yes | 15:15 |
| coderus | when sailfish conversaions gui will support muc we'll do some plugins port | 15:15 |
| coderus | as already have libpurple ported there are many protocols plugins pending | 15:15 |
| coderus | but without eal muc support in frontend most of them just useless now | 15:16 |
| coderus | real* | 15:16 |
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| chem|st | coderus: channelmanager not up to it yet? | 15:17 |
| chem|st | I thought that the limitation is the plugin atm not the other parts | 15:18 |
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| AL13N_work | i saw filepicker!!!! | 15:23 |
| AL13N_work | in the list of new stuff to come! | 15:23 |
| AL13N_work | is there any documentation on the filepicker api yet? | 15:24 |
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| kimmoli | TJC Badge "Necromancer" - who makes these up? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | askbot defaults? | 15:26 |
| coderus | AL13N_work: filepicker only as internal sailfish-browser component, not public component for developers | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | kimmoli: i have one of those, it's awesome :D | 15:27 |
| kimmoli | "Answered a question more than 30 days later with at least 1 votes" | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: fwiw, video call through xmpp between an n9 and a fedora's pidgin worked | 15:27 |
| coderus | chem|st: channelmanager? | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | i don't think it does any more because google | 15:27 |
| FireFly | kimmoli: probably borrowed from StackExchange | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | but otherwise it was very good | 15:27 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: oh... :-( | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: i should have said using gtalk | 15:28 |
| kimmoli | hmm i have old windows gtalk client still in use | 15:28 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: perhaps i can hijack the qml somehow | 15:28 |
| kimmoli | isnt filepicker qml there on the phone? | 15:29 |
| coderus | AL13N_work: sure, but why didnt made own picker yet? | 15:29 |
| AL13N_work | but then i'd have to do directories stuff and tracker and all those things | 15:30 |
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| coderus | AL13N_work: SomethingPicker is differs fith FilePicker | 15:30 |
| coderus | FilePicker is much easier :) | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | on a sidenote, we should establish irc guidelines at some point for this place and collect a volunteer corps for ops.. as this is more community | 15:31 |
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| ggabriel | i hope the occasional chitchat doesn't go away :) | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | i would never have seen riot otherwise! | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 15:32 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: gtalk had a rather sane implementation of video IIRC | 15:33 |
| SK_work | but other XMPP servers either don't have, or have a different | 15:34 |
| SK_work | ... | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: ok, sorry, didn't understand that you were talking in general | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | at any rate, i'd rather effort spent in fixing server implementations than creating a closed protocol | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | if a need is there for a new protocol, it should be open (like xmpp was born) | 15:35 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: i don't quite understand what you mean | 15:35 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: yes, google did this way for video, but seeing the lack of adoption, the gave up | 15:35 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: unless you mean that i should do stuff with tracker | 15:36 |
| AL13N_work | *shouldn't | 15:36 |
| SK_work | (or seeing that they could take advantage of a closed protocol, they gave up :)) | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: ofc google gave up cause lack of adoption and not because they want to show you ads and that stuff while you chat ;) | 15:36 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: :) | 15:37 |
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| coderus | AL13N_work: in my mind FilePicker is just filesystem browser. | 15:39 |
| coderus | with no features | 15:39 |
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| chem|st | coderus: nemo messaging handler stuff | 15:49 |
| * chem|st does not know what is FOSS yet and what not | 15:49 | |
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| special | coderus: MUC is waiting on some middleware refactoring, which I have ongoing in a background branch, and then on a bit of UI work | 15:52 |
| coderus | special: cool, thanks :) | 15:54 |
| javispedro | ggabriel: after some long investigation I've found out that the single reason most XMPP implementations for Android/iPhone/WP suck is the lack of multitasking | 15:56 |
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| ggabriel | javispedro: that's interesting indeed | 15:58 |
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| javispedro | also there's some android myth that keeping many IM connections alive kills the battery | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | android kills the battery | 16:00 |
| javispedro | I agree. | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | also, javispedro, thanks for completing the answer in tjc - forgot that the guy/girl also asked about multiple clients | 16:00 |
| javispedro | np | 16:01 |
| javispedro | also, server-side history storage (known in xmpp as message archiving iirc) doesn't seem to be very prevalent in servers | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | i bet google excelled that that ;-) | 16:03 |
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| javispedro | google used some propietary stuff for that | 16:03 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: wondering: should message be archived server-side ? | 16:04 |
| SK_work | isn't this nice for NSA etc. | 16:04 |
| Aard | javispedro: xmpp will be irrelevant soon anyway, with google and facebook dropping it. back to a few weird geeks like me using it with their own servers :/ | 16:05 |
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| javispedro | the concept of an open web, gnu/linux desktop environments will also be irrevelant soon. | 16:06 |
| * javispedro has not been optimistic as of lately | 16:07 | |
| javispedro | so at least I am trying to make a stand :) | 16:07 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: true... with no successor to the n900 there will be no qwerty linux phone and without working mtp on most LTS distros noone will ever use it again ;) | 16:12 |
| chem|st | Aard: fb chat is going whatsapp integrated? | 16:13 |
| special | chem|st: not so far, just closed | 16:14 |
| special | they moved it to a separate app from their own mobile apps and are discontinuing XMPP next eyar | 16:14 |
| special | year* | 16:14 |
| javispedro | basically more or less what google did, except that fb did not even federate to begin with | 16:15 |
| chem|st | special: reading proprietary protocols? | 16:15 |
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| special | other than XMPP, they don't offer any public APIs for chat. | 16:15 |
| chem|st | ok | 16:15 |
| special | google hasn't announced that they're discontinuing XMPP support, but it's probably going to happen. | 16:15 |
| w00t | which just gives me more incentive to not use facebook :-) | 16:15 |
| w00t | so I'm not entirely complaining... | 16:16 |
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| SK_work | special: ah yeah ... the move from xmpp from Facebook :( | 16:16 |
| coderus | whatsapp and facebook announced about future plans. and they wont integrate facebook into whatsapp. | 16:16 |
| javispedro | special: neither the new gmail web interface nor any of their mobile apps supports federation any longer | 16:17 |
| SK_work | special: they promised an API that is under review and "available soon" | 16:17 |
| Aard | same here. it'll demote facebook for me to something I just keep around so I can contact friends if I need to, but not really use anymore | 16:17 |
| w00t | special: ping! | 16:17 |
| SK_work | (to big paid customers ? :() | 16:17 |
| javispedro | whether they internally use xmpp or not is irrevelant | 16:17 |
| javispedro | (e.g. whatsapp used some bastardized xmpp) | 16:17 |
| special | SK_work: they seem to be working towards making it irrelevant | 16:17 |
| special | facebook's XMPP bridge has always been crap. We're probably better without it. | 16:17 |
| SK_work | special: indeed | 16:17 |
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| SK_work | but I want APIs | 16:17 |
| SK_work | FB was good at providing API but now they are keeping everything for themselve | 16:18 |
| SK_work | s | 16:18 |
| special | javispedro: federation is a separate issue, really. XMPP support at least gives you broad open client support | 16:18 |
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| javispedro | it is certainly separate, but without it you are at the whim of the server, which is what I want to avoid | 16:19 |
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| javispedro | precisely so that one can switch when they make blunders such as what they're doing now | 16:19 |
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| Gorith | is there some incoming fixes for the booting issues? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | if your device shuts down or reboots, contact care | 19:14 |
| Gorith | after a service (they switch battery) no booting, but at last few days there is again some booting | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | okay, if the repair didn't work, contact again, i presume | 19:15 |
| Gorith | ie. with android apps and camera | 19:16 |
| Gorith | maybe then, it is different now | 19:16 |
| Gorith | ok, but anyway, just asking if there is some fixes coming and if not then maybe I'll contact care | 19:17 |
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