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| Nicd- | hehehe, I love that when I wrote to care@jolla.com in English, they responded in Finnish :D | 05:50 |
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| Nicd- | they unlocked my OH \o/ now I can install it | 05:51 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: I often get the opposite in shops... I speak in finnish and they notice my accent and reply in english. How the heck am I supposed to practice if they keep speaking english to me! | 05:57 |
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| tbr | jussi: welcome to the club. :-/ | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | at least they try to speak english to you where you live.. :P | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | so hey, anyone know what the maximum time for a phone ringing is? think it's 30 seconds if you have an answering machine but without..? | 06:00 |
| tbr | Nicd-: that's network determined | 06:01 |
| tbr | the network will give up at some point and do $something. where $something=[busy,not-reachable,just disconnected,…] | 06:02 |
| Nicd- | hmmm, I broke the ringtone selection page | 06:02 |
| Nicd- | anyone available to try to reproduce? | 06:02 |
| jussi | Nicd-: what do you need? someone to call? | 06:02 |
| Nicd- | no | 06:03 |
| jussi | I only have the N4, but I can check that no issues | 06:03 |
| Nicd- | to try the ringtone selection page | 06:03 |
| jussi | yeah, tell me what you need | 06:03 |
| tbr | also the redirect to the voice mailbox timeout is configurable, sometimes by the user sometimes only by the network | 06:03 |
| Nicd- | go edit an ambience you have and go to the ringtone selection | 06:04 |
| Nicd- | click on "Select from music files" and click on some track so it starts playing | 06:04 |
| kimju | I asked this earlier, but has anyone else noticed that some android apps seem to think that the phone is offline when you have only mobile data connection active? the apps can still communicate fine if they don't care about the online/offline status. | 06:04 |
| Nicd- | jussi: now click on the same track again so it stops playing | 06:04 |
| Nicd- | still with me? | 06:04 |
| Nicd- | anyone else want to reproduce this bug? :) | 06:13 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: hrm, song doesnt appear to begin playing... | 06:26 |
| jussi | perhaps I need to worry about a codec or something... anyone know which codecs are supported on the N4? | 06:27 |
| Nicd- | not mp3 at least | 06:27 |
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| jussi | nah, that one was m4a | 06:27 |
| Nicd- | would bet that's off limits too (MPEG) | 06:27 |
| jussi | bah, lemme go find a random sample. ogg? | 06:28 |
| Nicd- | ok, if someone else could try this I would appreciate: go to edit an ambience, choose ringtone -> "select a music file" -> click on a track so it starts playing -> click on the same track so it stops -> click on some other track (nothing plays for me) -> click again on that track to deselect (original track starts playing for me) | 06:28 |
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| walokra | I can confirm that | 06:32 |
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| stephg | after selecting the second one, nothing more plays for me | 06:52 |
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| jussi | can someone share a screenshot/picture of what it looks like when you go to gallery -> ambience -> select one ? | 06:56 |
| jussi | I think n4 might be missing some stuff... | 06:56 |
| Nicd- | stephg: did the first one start playing when you deselected the second one? | 06:57 |
| stephg | don't know as unfortunately some of the media I have are in codecs that don't play at all currently | 06:59 |
| stephg | let me try again | 06:59 |
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| stephg | Nicd-: it happens exactly as you describe | 07:00 |
| stephg | and then after that, nothing else will play | 07:00 |
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| jussi | ahh, never mind. to get the ringtone etc you need to favourite the ambience... However, it is strange that pressing on the lower screen it brings up the ringtone selection anyway | 07:04 |
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| Nicd- | stephg: ok, I'll make a TJC post for this (if there isn't one already) | 07:23 |
| Nicd- | thanks stephg and walokra and jussi | 07:23 |
| Nicd- | jussi: you could make another TJC post from your finding | 07:23 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: yep | 07:24 |
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| Nicd- | walokra + stephg: I found this, can you upvote? https://together.jolla.com/question/5197/bug-ringtone-selection/ | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | sad to see that it was present in december already and it's still there | 08:35 |
| ottulo | wow, it's really messed up | 08:39 |
| ottulo | I tried that and kept selecting/deselecting different songs | 08:39 |
| ottulo | at some point if I click on song 2, it starts playing song 1, and on clicking song 1 it plays song 2 | 08:40 |
| ottulo | now it seems to play them correctly again - didn't go away from the selection screen at all | 08:40 |
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| ottulo | added a comment with what I found out: changing selection while song is playing -> song is switched and plays | 08:48 |
| ottulo | if you deselect a song, then select a different one, nothing is played, no deselect and first song plays | 08:49 |
| Nicd- | yeah | 08:49 |
| Nicd- | probably a simple bug in the dialog JS / backend | 08:49 |
| ottulo | if you select the first song while nothing is selected and first song is playing, it plays the second song :D | 08:49 |
| ottulo | now, while playing the wrong song, switch to second one without deselecting - it plays the first song | 08:51 |
| ottulo | effectively swapping the two, but playing both | 08:51 |
| ottulo | won't play a third song still | 08:51 |
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| walokra | there was also some other weird behaviour with selecting ringtones as it couldn't see all my ringtones | 09:07 |
| walokra | but somehow it got fixed | 09:07 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: FYI: https://together.jolla.com/question/40787/unmarked-audio-selection-on-lower-screen-when-selecting-an-ambience/ | 09:36 |
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| Nicd- | I edited it a bit | 09:38 |
| Nicd- | and it happens on jolla device too | 09:39 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: yeah, I put the n4 tag there because I hadnt tested on jolla | 09:41 |
| jussi | Nicd-: thanks for the edits, loooks good | 09:42 |
| jussi | now for next bug... number display... | 09:42 |
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| jussi | Nicd-: I assume it is the same on a Jolla that when you call a contact the number you are calling is not shown? only the name? | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | you mean during call or..? | 09:45 |
| jussi | kind of. WHen you press call and it starts to dial/ring. | 09:45 |
| * artemma noticed that once in a while Jolla doesn't show a new SMS notification (it is actually received and there is sound, but no notification in notifications page and lock screen). Anybody had similar? | 09:45 | |
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| * artemma almost missed a lunch with a pretty girl thanks to it - sorta makes it a priority :) | 09:46 | |
| ggabriel | arcean: never happened to me, but i'm not that popular ;-) | 09:49 |
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| rangoy | Nokia mobiles last day today... Strange | 10:07 |
| Kiranos | artemma: yes I've seen it to, often things happen when the sms app is the one active | 10:08 |
| Kiranos | also the notification sound gets cut | 10:08 |
| artemma | Kiranos: yeah, maybe sms app is active below lock screen, so OS doesn't think it needs to show extra notification | 10:09 |
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| jussi | the not waking up thing on N4 is really fecking annoying | 10:20 |
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| coderus | please vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/4957/bug-unable-to-create-two-avatars-from-single-image/ | 10:57 |
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| chem|st | Kiranos: hmm sounds familiar, when the msg app is the last one active the notification was a beep+vibrate instead of msg sound+vibrate | 11:07 |
| chem|st | Kiranos: is there a tjc for it? | 11:07 |
| chem|st | also my birthday notifications do not work still | 11:08 |
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| Kiranos | chem|st: dont think there is a together, that was tjc is? | 11:10 |
| Kiranos | yea just a beep, sound like the sound is cut of | 11:10 |
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| chem|st | added a how-to for uSD btrfs with shared fs for nemo and android https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 11:49 |
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| sledges | if you know any Lithuanians ;) https://twitter.com/JollaLt | 14:04 |
| javispedro | damn. | 14:04 |
| javispedro | so I got just my Jolla back from optima... | 14:05 |
| javispedro | turns out this time they swapped it for a brand new unit | 14:05 |
| javispedro | ... with the SIM issue. | 14:05 |
| javispedro | "brand new" = Dec 2013 | 14:06 |
| Scelt | javispedro: optima service is awful place | 14:07 |
| javispedro | it will be the 3rd time I have to sent it back | 14:08 |
| Scelt | I once took my N900 there for usb connector issue and it came back without keyboard backlights | 14:08 |
| javispedro | crap, it seems to be even more sensible than my original device. | 14:12 |
| w00t | sensible? :p | 14:12 |
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| javispedro | ok, sensitive =) | 14:13 |
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| javispedro | anyone knows any workaround for SIM issue that will not wear out over time? | 14:22 |
| javispedro | the idea of having to call Fedex again is ... | 14:23 |
| * sledges wonders why brightest people in the community get crappiest phones.. | 14:25 | |
| suosaask1 | sledges: what do you mean? | 14:28 |
| sledges | suosaask1: read up | 14:29 |
| sledges | i've known of javispedro since meego times, similar about khertan , so sad to see they got the bad apples | 14:30 |
| javispedro | btw since you mention khertan.. | 14:31 |
| khertan | javispedro, mine is waiting return too | 14:31 |
| khertan | :) | 14:31 |
| khertan | hi all | 14:31 |
| sledges | o/ | 14:31 |
| khertan | for second time | 14:32 |
| javispedro | this replacement device was new except that it had fingerprints around the battery area. someone had put some padding | 14:32 |
| sledges | javispedro: have you done forensics? :D | 14:32 |
| w00t | khertan: how come? | 14:32 |
| javispedro | hi khertan | 14:32 |
| khertan | w00t, headache trying to debug some 4d code in production | 14:33 |
| javispedro | basically there's a bit of rubber padding glued around the battery connectors =) | 14:33 |
| khertan | :) | 14:33 |
| w00t | khertan: er.. I was meaning how come you're returning it again | 14:33 |
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| khertan | w00t, for same problem ... sudden shutdown ... was for same problem first time plus sim connection problem | 14:34 |
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| khertan | (have also one dead pixel on screen ... but if device is stable i could accept that) | 14:35 |
| w00t | khertan: I wonder if there's anything strange / unique about your usage pattern. what software do you use, what accounts do you have set up, etc? | 14:35 |
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| khertan | w00t, i ve asked for refund, but they didnt want | 14:36 |
| khertan | w00t, that s not something with usage pattern, reset, update let it charge without sim card, and it shutdown itself | 14:36 |
| khertan | i think i ve done the minimal use case :) | 14:37 |
| Scelt | khertan: optima service for you too? | 14:37 |
| khertan | Scelt, first time yes | 14:37 |
| khertan | Scelt, currently waiting for fedex paper | 14:38 |
| Scelt | okay | 14:38 |
| javispedro | khertan, did you have sim problem on replacement? | 14:38 |
| javispedro | or on original device? | 14:38 |
| w00t | khertan: so.. even without anything installed/running/done to it/etc, it'll always shut down? | 14:38 |
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| khertan | javispedro, on original got sim problem, they didn't replace it, but fixed it | 14:39 |
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| khertan | w00t, yes ... but less often | 14:39 |
| javispedro | funnily when they repaired mine all SIM problems were gone -- it was so hard you could push it extremely hard even with cover removed and it would not disconnected | 14:39 |
| javispedro | this one is so sensitive I can trigger it by holding it in my hand... | 14:40 |
| khertan | w00t, there is | 14:40 |
| javispedro | I don't understand why optima felt the need to replace the device when they just had to add a pin | 14:40 |
| javispedro | should have done that myself... | 14:40 |
| javispedro | </rant> | 14:40 |
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| khertan | w00t,, i think there too many bad vibration here, or wlan pertubate it even not when not connected | 14:41 |
| khertan | w00t, or i ve just a bad karma | 14:41 |
| khertan | javispedro, so you ll return it for the third time ... jolla will lost all margin on fedex postal cost | 14:42 |
| javispedro | presumably they should get something back from "bad repairs" | 14:42 |
| w00t | khertan: something sounds really weird there, for sure. have you tried turning flight mode on etc to see if that affects it? | 14:43 |
| javispedro | but yeah. to be honest, I feel bad about this. on the other hand, I've spent 400eur + 200eur (screen).. | 14:43 |
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| javispedro | + a shitload of time waiting for fedex guys :P | 14:44 |
| khertan | w00t, yes but what strange is that it can works for 1 or 2 days without problem and shutdown 4 or 5 time in less than an hour the day after | 14:44 |
| w00t | javispedro: not your fault it's going wrong. I feel bad for you :p | 14:44 |
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| khertan | w00t, there isn't anything related to shutdown in log ... look at the one i capture yesterday http://pastebin.com/qZRWCZ4s | 14:45 |
| w00t | khertan: how are you capturing it? | 14:45 |
| khertan | w00t, journalctl -a -f via an ssh session | 14:46 |
| w00t | (I presume you know about persistent journal configuration.. that's probably the ideal way) | 14:46 |
| w00t | that might not be good enough (if ssh dies before it's sent you anything related to it) | 14:46 |
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| w00t | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/journald.conf.html <- take a look at those options | 14:47 |
| khertan | w00t, because for obvious reason persistent didn't write log | 14:47 |
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| sledges | due to no flush.. | 14:47 |
| w00t | uhm, it should do, if it didn't, then something is very very wrong | 14:47 |
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| khertan | that s journal and systemd | 14:47 |
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| khertan | without any bad joke | 14:47 |
| w00t | shutdown first sends SIGTERM (to give a chance for a reasonable shutdown) | 14:50 |
| w00t | on shutdown, journald calls server_done, at http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/journal/journald-server.c#n1620 | 14:50 |
| w00t | journal_file_close does sync | 14:50 |
| khertan | there is no sigterm else i ll saw it on the ssh session | 14:51 |
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| w00t | ok, well, feel free to do whatever you want | 14:51 |
| javispedro | but do you think it's ordered shutdown? | 14:51 |
| javispedro | I thought it was just bad battery | 14:52 |
| w00t | javispedro: without someone doing the analysis on that, I don't know | 14:52 |
| javispedro | *loose battery | 14:52 |
| khertan | w00t, i didn't want to contradict you, but i should see it ? right ? | 14:52 |
| javispedro | what's the equivalent of boot_reason on Jolla? | 14:52 |
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| khertan | boot_reason : USER :) | 14:53 |
| khertan | /var/log/systemboot.log | 14:53 |
| w00t | khertan: test it yourself: killall -s TERM sshd | 14:53 |
| khertan | 20140424_180503 Startup: pwr_on_status=pwr_on_by_pwr_key | 14:53 |
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| w00t | hm | 14:54 |
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| w00t | that's strange, sometimes it doesn't kill my second session | 14:55 |
| w00t | but when it does close, I don't get any notification about it | 14:55 |
| javispedro | I don't think killall kills all sshd processes xd | 14:55 |
| javispedro | just the first one | 14:55 |
| w00t | javispedro: ah right, order would matter | 14:55 |
| w00t | good point | 14:55 |
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| khertan | sshd no process found | 14:56 |
| khertan | :) lol i do worse | 14:56 |
| javispedro | here I do get a "remote closed connection" if I SIGTERM sshd | 14:56 |
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| khertan | indead got remote closed connection if i kill it on jolla | 14:56 |
| khertan | and broken pipe when device shutdown | 14:57 |
| khertan | ll be back in 10 min | 14:57 |
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| louisdk | If I have a few apps open like messages and settings, and bluetooth, 3g and wifi disabled does it then consume the same about of battery power when idle as if the same things was desabled and no apps open. | 15:13 |
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| sledges | louisdk: even if you don't have messages/email/settings open, sync is still being done (when connectivity is there), so i don't think there's any difference | 15:18 |
| louisdk | sledges: Well it can't sync my email when network turned off. | 15:20 |
| sledges | that's why i said "when connectivity is there" | 15:20 |
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| louisdk | sledges: I see. Just wondered if it makes any difference if a new light apps are open or not. | 15:23 |
| sledges | if it's a service app like emails - it's just a frontend to a background service | 15:24 |
| SK_work | louisdk: don't think so | 15:24 |
| SK_work | if you open gallery, it shouldn't consume much in CPU | 15:24 |
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| * sledges wonders what happens when you delete a photo and close gallery app before remorse timer elapses ;) | 15:25 | |
| sledges | does gallery stay open a bit longer? | 15:25 |
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| khertan | w00t, Jan 01 01:00:03 Jolla systemd-journal[172]: Journal started | 15:32 |
| khertan | w00t, date is suspect | 15:32 |
| SK_work | sledges: nope, the remorse is killed, implying that the action is taken in account | 15:32 |
| SK_work | (remorse killed = action accepted) | 15:32 |
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| sledges | oki | 15:32 |
| sledges | khertan: no battery/clock reset involved beforehand? | 15:33 |
| khertan | sledges, just a sudden shutdown | 15:33 |
| sledges | and afterwards the clock reset? | 15:33 |
| sledges | ...Journal started | 15:34 |
| khertan | Jan 01 01:00:07 Jolla DSME[546]: IPHB: rtc at 1970-01-01 00:00:07 GMT | 15:34 |
| khertan | Jan 01 01:00:07 Jolla DSME[546]: IPHB: set to 2014-04-25 09:05:58 GMT | 15:34 |
| khertan | this was this night the phone shutdown itself while charging :) | 15:35 |
| sledges | Sage-: ^ | 15:36 |
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| khertan | how did you read journal from previous boot on jolla ? since and until option didnt exists | 15:40 |
| khertan | and -b didn t accept any args | 15:40 |
| khertan | text log was so simple that it require some enginering to complicate things | 15:41 |
| khertan | grrrr | 15:41 |
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| faenil | khertan, you can read logs from previous boots only if you have permanent log setting | 15:47 |
| faenil | (afaik) | 15:47 |
| sledges | khertan: see w00t's link on systemd above | 15:48 |
| khertan | sledges, i ve read most options arent available on jolla | 15:49 |
| khertan | --until // --since not available | 15:49 |
| khertan | -b didnt have the same signification | 15:49 |
| khertan | faenil, thats now working and activated | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we have a systemd upgrade in queue | 15:49 |
| faenil | khertan, okay ;) | 15:50 |
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| khertan | ok i got two shutdown while syncing email : �<o��8startSync:77 - virtual bool SyncEmailClient::startSync() Starting scheduled s | 15:55 |
| khertan | ync for email accounts... HEALTIME_TIMESTAMP=1398233344773244 | 15:55 |
| khertan | sorry that s binary log ... read with more | 15:55 |
| faenil | :/ why not journalctl? | 15:56 |
| khertan | faenil, say me which option let me read a journal that is from previous boot | 15:56 |
| khertan | there is no option | 15:56 |
| faenil | so the stuff is there but journalctl doesn't let you read it? | 15:56 |
| khertan | yep | 15:57 |
| faenil | oh, I see | 15:57 |
| khertan | systemd is amazing | 15:57 |
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| faenil | if you only type journalctl it begins from after what you need? | 15:57 |
| khertan | it s starts from current boot | 15:57 |
| khertan | so yes | 15:57 |
| faenil | okay, if you're sure it starts from current boot, I don't know | 15:58 |
| khertan | sure :) | 15:58 |
| khertan | Ah that s good one square wheel | 16:01 |
| khertan | how many system engineer did you need to change a light bulb, none they reimplement light in systemd | 16:03 |
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| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/ | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | it possibly doesn't flush | 16:05 |
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| javispedro | khertan, they are already planning systemd-kerneld | 16:09 |
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| khertan | javispedro, i m a debian user, use it since 12 years, but look like i ll switch to something else if they keep their decision to use systemd | 16:10 |
| khertan | for the next release | 16:10 |
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| japee | anyone had problems with android applications own keyboards after installing google play? | 16:52 |
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| meek_geek | yo | 17:06 |
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| japee | google play store needs me to login with the app Or browser, but keyboard will not appear | 17:08 |
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| tbr | japee: might just need some clicking around with your finger | 17:11 |
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| japee | not working on any android app that I have downloaded from 1mobile store or somewhere else | 17:16 |
| japee | not fb messeng or fb, dolphin mini | 17:17 |
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| tbr | sounds like something else is broken then | 17:21 |
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| japee | android support's uninstallation didn't help | 17:34 |
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| sledges | japee: works for me (fb) | 18:00 |
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| sledges | when and how did you install gplay? | 18:02 |
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| japee | http://www.jollatides.com/2014/04/03/updated-installing-google-play-on-jolla/ with this one | 18:22 |
| japee | might be a factory reset next, lets see how that helps | 18:22 |
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| sledges | ic | 18:39 |
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| Sail0r | sailfish on pi-mobile? ;) http://www.golem.de/news/piphone-raspberry-pi-handy-fuer-160-us-dollar-1404-106082.html | 19:05 |
| Sail0r | sry link is german but the pictures say everything | 19:05 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 19:05 |
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| sledges | sailfish might be too heavy for a pi | 19:13 |
| sledges | http://www.raspberrypi.org/piphone-home-made-raspberry-pi-smartphone/ | 19:13 |
| ln- | is cpu or memory (especially 256MB) the bigger problem? | 19:20 |
| tbr | the pi is junk | 19:20 |
| tbr | also there is no ARMv6 port of sailfish → you lost | 19:21 |
| Sail0r | damn | 19:21 |
| tbr | nemo, maybe | 19:21 |
| Pnuu | it's based on a chip that was designed as a gpu, then there were extra space -> why not add a cpu there | 19:22 |
| tbr | but don't expect performance miracles and you'll need to rebuild everything for armv6 | 19:22 |
| tbr | Pnuu: IIRC the ARMv6 is a housekeeping core intended for a RTOS that was supposed to handle among other things USB | 19:22 |
| tbr | the pi is good at exactly one thing: media playback | 19:23 |
| tbr | because that's what it was designed for. It's a set top box chip. | 19:23 |
| Pnuu | a friend of mine (working with embedded stuff) told that those broadcom chips were intended for nokia, but were discarded :-P | 19:23 |
| tbr | I doubt that | 19:23 |
| ln- | the pi also has mathematica for free | 19:24 |
| tbr | nokia wasn't doing STB at that time and it's clearly not a mobile phone chip | 19:24 |
| Pnuu | ln-: yes, and that will suck in many ways | 19:24 |
| ln- | Pnuu: i know, but the price-quality ratio is still good | 19:24 |
| tbr | it's cheap as sh*t, because it's sh*t. that's correct. | 19:25 |
| tbr | a proper ARMv7 based design is not much more expensive | 19:25 |
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| ln- | (i mean price and quality for mathematica in particular) | 19:26 |
| tbr | ah | 19:26 |
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| Pnuu | mathematica can do weird stuff, but, well, it's weird also in other ways :-D | 19:27 |
| sledges | yep, nemo could be a good candidate (see last tweet, thanks to Stskeeps ) https://twitter.com/nemomobile | 19:28 |
| Pnuu | although, I have to admit that I've used it > 10 years ago | 19:28 |
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| ortylp | ln-: I know it is no match for Mathematica, but really mature and worth knowing anyway (and FOSS): http://sympy.org/ | 20:22 |
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| vatte | anyone traveled to japan with jolla? | 21:25 |
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| coderus | current weather in my city: https://vimeo.com/92936754 | 22:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | coderus: So is this summer? | 22:29 |
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| coderus | calendar says so, but i'm not sure. maybe while dreaming my city was teleported to north pole. | 22:37 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.6-3 | 22:52 |
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