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| dunp | http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-ethernet-network-explored-possible-jailbreak-in-the-future | 00:20 |
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| msvb-lab | Morning folks. | 05:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn msvb-lab | 05:26 |
| msvb-lab | Stskeeps: Happy Saturday morning, you up bright and early. | 05:28 |
| msvb-lab | Or just have jet lag like me? | 05:28 |
| Stskeeps | kid woke me at 6:30.. | 05:28 |
| msvb-lab | The little one, nice alarm clock. So what's the hotest new Mer/Sailfish project happening right now? | 05:28 |
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| msvb-lab | I see Marc Dillon is speaking at the Open Mobile Summit in London next month, you going there too? | 05:33 |
| Stskeeps | hmm no, got an url? | 05:33 |
| msvb-lab | http://www.openmobilemedia.com/london/conference-speakers.php#Dillon | 05:33 |
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| msvb-lab | Seems to me to be a rather corporate environment. Hope Marc can handle it. | 05:34 |
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| Stskeeps | sometimes those environments need a fresh breath ;) | 05:45 |
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| lpotter | I just hope he doesn't succumb to the necktie | 05:48 |
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| msvb-lab | He's probably at least somewhat used to being around corp types? | 06:00 |
| msvb-lab | Does he have one or more than one necktie? | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure i've seen him in a tie.. | 06:01 |
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| tjp | the first one! | 10:29 |
| tjp | ... to drop a jolla in a toilet | 10:29 |
| tjp | or not. either way, I'm not too happy about it. | 10:29 |
| lpotter | did it survive? | 10:29 |
| tjp | didn't dare to turn it on yet | 10:30 |
| chem|st | tjp: :/ | 10:30 |
| chem|st | tjp: put it in a box of rize for the day | 10:30 |
| chem|st | what is this? poppy red as the third toh... now I really feel how limited limited is... | 10:32 |
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| tbr | chem|st: yeah it's an awkward choice | 10:33 |
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| stephg | I want more colours :( | 10:40 |
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| lpotter | get some paint | 10:45 |
| stephg | ha | 10:45 |
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| spacedentist | hi everyone. i was wondering... /sdcard is a symlink to /data/sdcard, and an android app (osmand) has put some data in there already. however, my actual sdcard is mounted in /media/sdcard/$UUID ... would it make sense to move all data from /data/sdcard to the sdcard and make /data/sdcard a symlink to the sdcard mount point? | 10:55 |
| spacedentist | ....or is this supposed to work somehow differently? | 10:56 |
| Aard | spacedentist: sdcard is the virtual android sdcard. real sdcard for android will come at some point, but is not supported right now | 10:59 |
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| spacedentist | ah okay. so i should leave /sdcard how it is, and not make it a symlink to the actual sd card. understood. thanks! | 11:00 |
| chem|st | stephg: I want to be treated like I supported Jolla, it feels more like "thanks for your money but we moved on now" | 11:06 |
| chem|st | spacedentist: if you need help on formatting your uSD to have it split for android and jolla give a shout, I have it sorted | 11:07 |
| chem|st | is there a way to enable usbnetworking without the need of dev-mode? | 11:07 |
| spacedentist | chem|st: oh, oh, that's interesting. do you need to have separate file systems for android and jolla? i've just put a btrfs filesystem on my 64gb sdcard and copied 30gb of music on it.... | 11:09 |
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| spacedentist | so yeah, how does that work, chem|st? | 11:09 |
| chem|st | spacedentist: nope, you format the uSD btrfs (the complete one so /dev/mmcblk1 and not mmcblk1p1) | 11:10 |
| spacedentist | ah okay. and what next? | 11:10 |
| chem|st | then you mount it somewhere eg mount /dev/mmcblk1 /mnt/ | 11:10 |
| spacedentist | okay | 11:10 |
| chem|st | then you create two subvolumes | 11:10 |
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| chem|st | cd /mnt | 11:11 |
| spacedentist | so, that's btrfs subvolumes/ | 11:11 |
| spacedentist | ? | 11:11 |
| chem|st | ? | 11:11 |
| chem|st | nope | 11:11 |
| chem|st | step by step | 11:11 |
| spacedentist | sorry.... i was just thinking out loud. so first you create one big btrfs, and then you use btrfs subvolumes to divide it. | 11:11 |
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| chem|st | you actually do not divide it, all the space is there for all subvolumes if you do not activate quota on one of them | 11:12 |
| spacedentist | cool! :) | 11:12 |
| chem|st | so format to btrfs | 11:12 |
| chem|st | mount it | 11:12 |
| chem|st | got to mount folder | 11:12 |
| chem|st | create subvolumes (btrfs subvolumes create jolla) | 11:13 |
| chem|st | this now shows as /mnt/jolla folder | 11:14 |
| chem|st | create another one (btrfs subvolume create android) | 11:14 |
| chem|st | this now shows as /mnt/android | 11:14 |
| chem|st | so now comes the trick | 11:14 |
| chem|st | the default volume mounted is subvolume=0 the root volume | 11:15 |
| chem|st | you can change which volume will be served as default | 11:16 |
| spacedentist | ah, i see. | 11:16 |
| spacedentist | so the standard jolla mount scripts will then mount my jolla subvolume to /media/sdcard/$UUID | 11:16 |
| spacedentist | that's clever | 11:16 |
| chem|st | are you familiar with the steps or should I go through it in detail | 11:16 |
| chem|st | yes exactly | 11:17 |
| spacedentist | i'm not familiar but i guess "man btrfs" or similar will show my all i need to know | 11:17 |
| spacedentist | but i get the idea | 11:17 |
| spacedentist | cool. i'll do that now. thanks a lot, chem|st! | 11:17 |
| chem|st | the other subvolume android I wrote in the mount-sd.sh below the btrfs capable mount exec | 11:17 |
| spacedentist | ah, okay, and you mount that to /data/sdcard then? | 11:18 |
| chem|st | yes I moved data/sdcard to the currently mounted /mnt/android | 11:18 |
| chem|st | and left the original data untouched in case of removing the sdcard | 11:18 |
| chem|st | for you in steps | 11:19 |
| chem|st | I did everything on device: | 11:19 |
| chem|st | mkfs @ /dev/mmcblk1 | 11:20 |
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| chem|st | mount -o subvol=0 /dev/mmcblk1 /media/sdcard | 11:21 |
| chem|st | btrfs subvolume create /media/sdcard/jolla | 11:21 |
| chem|st | btrfs subvolume create /media/sdcard/android | 11:21 |
| chem|st | btrfs subvolume list /media/sdcard (there you get the sub-id to set it default) | 11:22 |
| chem|st | btrfs subvolume set-default <id> /media/sdcard (not sure about that one look it up again) | 11:23 |
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| chem|st | cp all files from android over to the android subvol | 11:25 |
| chem|st | alter the mount-sd.sh script to mount your uSD/android subvolume to the android-sd folder | 11:25 |
| chem|st | done | 11:26 |
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| chem|st | it takes a bit after a reboot to mount that so be patient when looking the first time | 11:27 |
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| Eyea | jolla )0!1@ )0y | 11:31 |
| spacedentist | chem|st: since I had 30gb of data already copied to my btrfs (which i want to have in my jolla subvolume), i used | 11:31 |
| spacedentist | btrfs subvolume snapshot . jolla | 11:31 |
| spacedentist | to create the jolla subvolume. it seems to create an ordinary subvolume, but one that starts with all the contents of the sdcard's root directory. | 11:31 |
| spacedentist | i then just deleted the data from the sdcard's root directory. | 11:31 |
| chem|st | sounds nifty ;) | 11:32 |
| chem|st | I did not have btrfs so I needed to reformat anyways | 11:32 |
| spacedentist | i'm a btrfs newbee, so i hope this wasn't stupid. but in "btrfs subvolume list" the jolla subvolume looks like a regular subvolume now. | 11:32 |
| chem|st | but thanks to a usb3 cardreader this went pretty fast | 11:33 |
| chem|st | I am n00b as well so I just told you the steps I did learn in the process | 11:34 |
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| spacedentist | chem|st: just rebooted my phone, and everything works perfectly. jolla subvolume is mounted in the right place, and /data/sdcard now contains my android subvolume! :) thanks a lot for your help | 11:55 |
| spacedentist | i didn't edit /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh but instead placed this line in /etc/fstab: | 11:56 |
| spacedentist | /dev/mmcblk1p1 /data/sdcard/ btrfs subvol=android 0 0 | 11:56 |
| spacedentist | ...which works nicely. | 11:56 |
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| dunp | fstab is right way :) | 12:02 |
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| jf_ | yo | 13:36 |
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| jf_ | is there any sandbox for browsers | 13:38 |
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| coderus | hello | 14:05 |
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| coderus | bought microsd for my jolla | 14:06 |
| kor | coderus: is the "%1 messages"-thing known? | 14:06 |
| coderus | is there preferred way to format card? | 14:06 |
| coderus | kor: what are you talking about with me? | 14:06 |
| kor | mitäkuuluu | 14:06 |
| coderus | kor: what exactly? | 14:06 |
| Turski | kor: latest version? | 14:07 |
| kor | it's been in anything that's been past 0.2 for me | 14:07 |
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| Bawal | at least in 0.2.9 it's fixed | 14:07 |
| Bawal | i think | 14:07 |
| kor | updating to 0.2-10 now, let's see | 14:09 |
| Nicd- | kor: it was fixed for me already | 14:11 |
| kor | it is indeed. | 14:15 |
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| suy | I'm travelling to japan next month and I can't find an "official" list of countries/bands supported. Is this one correct? http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php | 14:28 |
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| Yaniel | GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz it says on the box | 14:29 |
| Yaniel | UMTS 900/2100 MHz | 14:29 |
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| suy | mm, on what part of the box? | 14:31 |
| Nicd- | suy: look at http://jolla.com/ technical specs | 14:34 |
| Nicd- | GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz, 4G LTE* 1800/2600 Mhz | 14:34 |
| Nicd- | ooh, it now says of the 4G on the site: "Supported in Finland during Q2/2014, other countries and operators to be announced at a later date." | 14:34 |
| flanag | nice | 14:35 |
| Venemo_j | coderus: if you want to use btrfs, don't format it with a newer kernel. otherwise use your preferred method | 14:36 |
| Turski | have we heard enything about april update yet? | 14:41 |
| Yaniel | relax, april just began | 14:42 |
| Turski | well, last update was "early" march | 14:43 |
| Yaniel | so it should be within the next 3 weeks | 14:43 |
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| Turski | Yaniel: so short answer is "no" | 14:44 |
| Yaniel | correct | 14:44 |
| Turski | that would have been enough ;) | 14:44 |
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| TemeV_ | Would be nice to know what is coming in the next update | 14:46 |
| Venemo_j | some stuff was already officially announced | 14:47 |
| Lancer | Last update was nice. Finally usb connection works and access to microsd is nice | 14:48 |
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| TemeV_ | can't find any announcements in together | 15:02 |
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| flanag | it's not an official announcement but this can be found on together: | 15:03 |
| flanag | "I believe that a lot of the issues you're seeing will be resolved by the next update, as significant effort was expended on improving the lower-layers of our connectivity stack. But I don't know much about it, at all, so I can't say exactly what changed. Reading the release notes and changelogs when the next update is released will probably be more informative than I have been, I guess." | 15:03 |
| flanag | chris.adams ( 2014-04-03 07:04:48 +0300 ) | 15:03 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/35079/10420-stability-problems-findings/ | 15:03 |
| TemeV_ | Thanks. That was actually what I wanted to know. Stability issues are only reason for my I'm considering changing back to N9 | 15:06 |
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| Waitee | what stability? | 16:30 |
| Waitee | wow | 16:31 |
| Waitee | my device has worked fine | 16:31 |
| Waitee | except for the openrepos + upgrade | 16:32 |
| TemeV_ | Waitee: random shutdowns | 16:32 |
| Waitee | yeah | 16:32 |
| Waitee | reading that post | 16:32 |
| TemeV_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/#post-id-36965 | 16:33 |
| TemeV_ | there is an interesting solution though :) | 16:33 |
| Waitee | only problem im having is openrepos cant update | 16:34 |
| TemeV_ | Waitee: do you have the repo enabled? | 16:34 |
| Waitee | TemeV_: cant enable the repos | 16:34 |
| Waitee | dunno why | 16:34 |
| Waitee | then again im only using mitäkuuluu from openrepos so i can just reinstall every time theres an update available | 16:35 |
| Waitee | so i havent bothered fixing it | 16:35 |
| TemeV_ | Are you trying to enable it from command line or warehouse? | 16:35 |
| Waitee | warehouse | 16:36 |
| Waitee | havent really even tried to fix it | 16:36 |
| TemeV_ | Well try from the command line, if you some day want to fix it :) | 16:37 |
| TemeV_ | Or try reinstalling Warehouse | 16:38 |
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| mord | hmhm, how to check when rild dropss the ball; i mean, i've been seeing silent, complete radio deaths and would love to be able to set up a watchdog-like thing to alert me | 16:41 |
| mord | ...or perhaps even do a reboot after a noisy notification | 16:42 |
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| Elleo | 16/ | 17:07 |
| Elleo | oops | 17:07 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, my gmail no longer works on the device | 18:11 |
| Nicd- | when I try to "update sign-in credentials", it just shows the rotating progress indicator with "Updating account" forever | 18:11 |
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| Nicd- | email app seems to get stuck on update forever too, finally just says "problem with update" :( | 18:14 |
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| Pnuu | try to remove and re-add the account? | 18:32 |
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| arkkipii5ka | when is younited for Jolla out? | 19:02 |
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| Acce | twitter says Q2 | 19:27 |
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