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| coderus | anybody know forum.jollausers.com maintainer? | 06:39 |
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| Nicd- | whoa, the jolla browser has webgl | 06:39 |
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| Stskeeps | of course it does.. | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:41 |
| Nicd- | testing the browser on futuremark's peacekeeper | 06:42 |
| Bysmyyr | I have some problem with charging. It have not charged fully several times | 06:42 |
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| Nicd- | score 264, just below Lumia 920 and before Xbox 360 | 06:46 |
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| pawky | where can you change the identity of what the jolla android presents itself to be? Some companies believe they wil make the world a safer place if denying usage of their stuff if having an odd device. I believe today the phone represents itself as alien_jolla_bionic | 07:45 |
| Raim | there is a build.prop in /opt/alien/system, where this string seems to comes from. but I have no idea whether you would experience any new problems if you change that. | 07:47 |
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| roboro | hi all | 08:54 |
| roboro | I just got my lastucase and attached it to my phone... its great | 08:54 |
| roboro | downside is now I can't access Jolla store | 08:55 |
| roboro | I get the 'No accounts set yet' message | 08:55 |
| roboro | when I try to login... it says that an account already exists for this device | 08:55 |
| stephg | roboro, you just stuck it on your existing (white?) toh? | 08:56 |
| roboro | no... it comes with its own white toh | 08:56 |
| roboro | but no nfc chip | 08:56 |
| stephg | ah | 08:56 |
| stephg | hm | 08:57 |
| roboro | apparently it doesn't have nfc... but I wouldn't know how to check | 08:57 |
| * roboro wonders if he can peel off the nfc from his old toh and stick it onto the new one :/ | 08:58 | |
| stephg | roboro youll probably break the chip doing that | 08:58 |
| stephg | store should work though regardless of which toh you have on, no? | 08:58 |
| roboro | I would think so... maybe I should restart the phone | 08:59 |
| roboro | mmm no work | 09:01 |
| roboro | the login to store seems to think that I am trying to create an account | 09:02 |
| roboro | gah! this is a pain in the ass | 09:02 |
| stephg | and if you put the other toh back? | 09:03 |
| * stephg wondering if this has anything with the toh at all... | 09:03 | |
| roboro | it registers that its snow white... but store doesn't work anymore | 09:05 |
| roboro | must have something to do with toh... store was working just before I changed the cover | 09:05 |
| roboro | why does store signin give me an error: Ooops, problem with account creation! You already have a Jolla account on this device. | 09:08 |
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| roboro | I know... that's why I selected Sign In instead of Create Account | 09:08 |
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| stephg | very odd | 09:11 |
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| Pnuu | does the store work without any TOH? | 09:11 |
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| stephg | Pnuu, I just pulled my back cover off and it works | 09:12 |
| Pnuu | just thinking of that problem roboro has | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: same here :) | 09:12 |
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| roboro | no | 09:13 |
| roboro | something has resulted in me getting logged out of store and now I can't sign in again | 09:14 |
| roboro | ah... the new cover does have NFC | 09:14 |
| roboro | is it possible that having 2 white TOHs can cause an issue | 09:14 |
| roboro | the real problem is that store somehow thinks that when I'm signing in I'm actually trying to create an account | 09:15 |
| roboro | but I'm not | 09:15 |
| * roboro wonders if he should remove his jolla account from accounts and then try again | 09:17 | |
| roboro | that worked | 09:18 |
| roboro | I have store again | 09:18 |
| stephg | that's... weird | 09:19 |
| roboro | there seems to be a bug with signin on the store | 09:19 |
| roboro | if you nuke your account under settings and then add it again... the sign in there works fine | 09:19 |
| roboro | then the store works again | 09:19 |
| roboro | oh well... I'm happy again :) | 09:20 |
| roboro | I'll post my findings on tjc | 09:20 |
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| Gorith | it seems that phone starts booting randomly when battery level is 50% or lower | 12:16 |
| Gorith | just happenede that battery level went to 50%, then suddenly it says that low battery and the level dropped down to 2% and then shutdown | 12:17 |
| Waitee | most likely your battery has one or more broken cells | 12:17 |
| Gorith | after reboot battery level was 49% | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | Gorith: did you do the 10' battrey trick? | 12:17 |
| Gorith | and then reboot and afterwards 51% | 12:18 |
| Gorith | ggabriel: yep | 12:18 |
| Gorith | couple of times | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | are you also running 1.0.4.20? | 12:18 |
| Gorith | yep | 12:18 |
| Waitee | sounds like a broken battery more than a software problem | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | i suggest you email care@j.c then | 12:18 |
| Gorith | now it seems to be 10% | 12:19 |
| Gorith | yes, done that | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | i tend to agree with Waitee, but jolla may want to see the device itself, dunno | 12:19 |
| Gorith | just curious if it just me or is this more common problem | 12:19 |
| Waitee | well i had the same with htc wildfire half a year ago | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | Gorith: i wouldn't say common, but I saw a few folks here describing something similar | 12:19 |
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| Waitee | it happens when a lithium ion battery goes dead | 12:19 |
| Gorith | ok | 12:20 |
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| ggabriel | shame that you can't get spares... they'd be cheaper than the hassle of sending a phone back and forth | 12:20 |
| Waitee | if you store a lithium ion battery for too long or use it untill it's empty it won't charge anymore | 12:20 |
| Waitee | in fact it may explode :D | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 12:20 |
| Gorith | anyway, just got the phone from service ~three weeks ago | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | you remind me i have to return a mac battery which used to be swollen, and now it's ok | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | Gorith: you in .fi? | 12:21 |
| Gorith | yep | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | ah, it should be easy to you :) | 12:21 |
| Waitee | my wildfire's battery was swollen about two times as thick as it should have been :D | 12:21 |
| Waitee | replacement battery for 5e from china | 12:22 |
| Waitee | i received my jolla a week after the replacement battery came | 12:22 |
| Teme | sounds perfectly safe, the wf battery :D | 12:22 |
| Waitee | yeah | 12:22 |
| Nicd- | my laptop hasn't had a battery since sometime last fall when it got swollen and I threw it away | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | it has become pretty non-mobile | 12:23 |
| Yaniel | what you mean you can't grow batteries to have more capacity? | 12:23 |
| Waitee | Yaniel: lithium ion dies if you let it go dry | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: well... i don't want to "throw it away" | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | i'd like to throw it at a genius in the mac store for building bad quality stuff | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | well it was many years old | 12:24 |
| Waitee | i think nimh batteries work very differently | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | sadly, nobody provides proper battery recycling methods | 12:24 |
| Yaniel | yes nimh and li-ion are very different | 12:24 |
| Yaniel | the former suffering from memory effect whereas the latter should be kept as full as posible (iirc) | 12:25 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: we have 3 battery disposal bins at a 100m radius from where i live :D | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I've heard you should actually keep li-ion at half capacity when in storage. but it shouldn't matter much as long as you don't completely discharge it | 12:25 |
| Waitee | Nicd-: li-ion "likes" to be kept at 50-80% charge | 12:26 |
| Waitee | but if you store it for too long it might die | 12:26 |
| Waitee | afaic | 12:26 |
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| ggabriel | Waitee: that's nice | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | mind you, i can dispose of alkaline/normal batteries, not laptop ones | 12:27 |
| Waitee | hmm | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | they are a little bit civilised here :P | 12:28 |
| Waitee | i dont think i can fit a laptop battery in one of those bins :D | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | so we're talking about different tihngs then ;) | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | it'd b enice to be able to dispose of old batteries in general, not just the tiny cilinders | 12:28 |
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| Anz_ | hi. just installed lighthouse app. memory usage is shown 97% with no other apps running. is this normal? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | it depends if it counts cache etc | 12:33 |
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| Froberg | Anyone else still suffering from much too frequent reboots of their device? | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | if you have reboots or shutdowns, pull battery for 10 minutes, if it persists after that, talk to care | 12:42 |
| Froberg | been pulling my battery daily for 10 minutes.. issue always comes back | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok, you should talk to care for sure then | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | where in the world are you based? | 12:44 |
| Froberg | Denmark | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah, davs ;) | 12:45 |
| Froberg | davs ;) | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | how far outside typical civilization? | 12:45 |
| Froberg | Virum | 12:45 |
| Froberg | so not far ;) | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, how's signal quality there? 3g/2g | 12:46 |
| Froberg | one or the other | 12:46 |
| Froberg | usually a weak 3G | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:46 |
| Froberg | never seen it go to 4G as yet | 12:46 |
| Froberg | you? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah it's not enabled just yet | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | i'm danish but living in warsaw, poland, so i don't count | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | if you go into higher populated areas such as cph, do reboots happen as often? | 12:46 |
| Froberg | kinda missing mms functionality too | 12:47 |
| Froberg | apparently Danes love it more than everyone else, lol | 12:47 |
| teve | next update should bring mms support. | 12:47 |
| Froberg | yeah it happens constantly.. but I have noticed the issue with signal reception causing it, apparently | 12:47 |
| Froberg | ususally it happens while on the train, or moving from the ground floor to the basement at work | 12:47 |
| Froberg | or even just for being on a call | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: what battery levels? | 12:47 |
| Froberg | Battery is awesome. | 12:48 |
| Froberg | I am constantly bragging to everyone about my battery life, lol | 12:48 |
| Froberg | even got play store on the thing | 12:48 |
| Froberg | for banking app, and work mails | 12:48 |
| flanag | It seems that there are some new fixes coming that might help with rebooting/shutdowns: "I believe that a lot of the issues you're seeing will be resolved by the next update, as significant effort was expended on improving the lower-layers of our connectivity stack. But I don't know much about it, at all, so I can't say exactly what changed. Reading the release notes and changelogs when the next update is released will probably | 12:48 |
| flanag | be more informative than I have been, I guess." chris.adams ( 2014-04-03 07:04:48 +0300 ) | 12:48 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/35079/10420-stability-problems-findings/ | 12:49 |
| Froberg | new update should be out soonish, yeah? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | Froberg: well, i meant, when the shutdowns happen, what % battery | 12:49 |
| Froberg | i'd rather not RMA it unless necessary, only secondary device I've got is my semi-broken nokia n9 | 12:49 |
| Froberg | it can be anything really, since it happens every day | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:49 |
| Froberg | and I only charge once every 3-4 days or so | 12:49 |
| Froberg | pulled battery yesterday around noon, just got another shutdown on my way home from work | 12:50 |
| Froberg | and then constant reboots since | 12:50 |
| flanag | Froberg: Same situation here with my phone, I think I am going to wait for the next update (again) | 12:50 |
| Froberg | so I've just pulled it again before coming on here. | 12:50 |
| Froberg | Funnily the isssue has worsened for me with the latest update | 12:50 |
| Froberg | I would, very rarely, get a reboot during regular usage before the update.. constantly since | 12:51 |
| flanag | I never got a reboot before 1.0.3.8 | 12:51 |
| Froberg | if it were just once a week or so, I'd even suffer through it, just to support Jolla | 12:51 |
| flanag | might just be a coincidence | 12:51 |
| Froberg | could be, I only suffered very few before this latest update | 12:51 |
| Nicd- | my reboots have stopped completely | 12:52 |
| Froberg | not sure why they removed the alpha release sticker either.. since it's not exactly where it needs to be reg. functionality and settings - not to mention Official apps that need some work too. | 12:52 |
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| flanag | Nicd-: when did you get your last reboot (how long ago)? | 12:52 |
| Nicd- | it was beta actually | 12:52 |
| Nicd- | flanag: on the week before 1.0.4.20 was released | 12:53 |
| Froberg | Since it's now spring, any of you notice poor viewing ability of the screen even in indirect sunlight, or is that just me? | 12:53 |
| Froberg | got a dead pixel too, but that's usually not enough reason to RMA anything, so I didn't investigate it, heh. | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | Froberg: that has been noted by many | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | the sunlight issue | 12:53 |
| Froberg | well that's a shame | 12:53 |
| flanag | yeah, the visibility in sunlight is not good | 12:54 |
| Froberg | to be fair, maybe the orange theme from limited edition TOH is making matters worse. | 12:54 |
| Sage- | Froberg: does the reboots/restarts happen at home for you as well? Also do you have wlan at your home that you could use (if not using it already) | 12:54 |
| JUJames_ | yep, having sunlight visibility issue as I type this | 12:54 |
| Froberg | Sage- I've disabled WLAN on the phone to prevent the WLAN from causing any reboots on signal loss. | 12:54 |
| flanag | Froberg: that's causing reboots too? | 12:54 |
| Froberg | ooh you using that native IRC app JUJames_? | 12:55 |
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| Froberg | flanag it can, when it switches between wireless and 3G | 12:55 |
| Froberg | or maybe just wild coincidence, lol | 12:55 |
| JUJames_ | Froberg : yes :D | 12:55 |
| Sage- | Froberg: if you diable mobile internet and use only wlan for data does the issues happen still? | 12:55 |
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| * Sage- 's fingers are apparently in friday feeling already based on the typos ;) | 12:56 | |
| Froberg | Sage- not really an option for me since I need to be connected on the road. | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | my reboots never happened with 3g/wlan transfers because I don't use wlan | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | Froberg: meet Sage- btw, one of our main hardware/adaptation guys :) | 12:56 |
| Sage- | Froberg: sure, I was just pondering if you are e.g. 4 hours at home and in wlan does the device still reboot or are those only happening on abroad? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | so anything you can do to help describe or test the issue the better | 12:56 |
| flanag | Sage-: even though you didn't ask me, I think I've never got a reboot with only wlan enabled.. it's always been on 3g/2g | 12:56 |
| * Sage- o/ | 12:56 | |
| JUJames_ | am I the only one who has never had a reboot issue? | 12:58 |
| Froberg | Sage- I'm never on WLAN anymore.. I only go on WLAN to get Jolla updates, despite my 3G being fairly fast, the 100mbit connection at home does make a slight difference, lol | 12:58 |
| Sage- | Froberg: :) | 12:58 |
| flanag | Sage-: and at one point when I got a reboot loop, it kept looping until I skipped the PIN on boot.. then when I went to settings and enabled it there, it rebooted again | 12:58 |
| Sage- | Froberg: I know the feeling though my mobile network is quite fast in general here in Finland | 12:58 |
| Froberg | same for Denmark, but we do have a few brown spots. | 12:58 |
| Froberg | Oh, for something completely different, my gf complains of voice quality during extended phone-conversations.. that my voice sometimes drops out completely. | 12:59 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i do go through patchy areas in my commute to work and never had a reboot | 12:59 |
| * ggabriel touches wood | 12:59 | |
| Froberg | Anyone else experience this at all? I was thinking maybe heat was causing it or something. | 12:59 |
| Froberg | ggabriel I do not appreciate the inappropriate touching, kind Sir. | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | Froberg: also, when did you start having the reboots? what update? | 13:00 |
| Froberg | It started occuring, for me, after the second latest update. i.e. not the one we're running now, but the one before that. | 13:00 |
| flanag | so 1.0.3.8 | 13:00 |
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| Froberg | That'd be it | 13:01 |
| flanag | same here, after that they started | 13:01 |
| Sage- | ggabriel: I have two Jolla's with me constantly and never faced any issues myself. | 13:01 |
| Sage- | out of interest does anyone of you have PIN code query disabled and have reboots? | 13:01 |
| Froberg | the reboots seem to impact battery significantly too | 13:01 |
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| Froberg | I lost 10% during this last stint, lol | 13:01 |
| Sage- | Froberg: flanag: ^ | 13:01 |
| Froberg | No, but I can try and disable it if you want | 13:02 |
| flanag | nope, I have it enabled | 13:02 |
| flanag | Sage-: do you have the query disabled? | 13:02 |
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| sledges | not even one reboot with two jollas here, used and abused, as heavy duty satnavs with live traffic info - heats up like mad, but battery is at least 2x better than e.g. samsung galaxy nexus for same gps-heavy tasks | 13:02 |
| Froberg | don't have screen lock either, too fond of the double-tap for Jolla-love | 13:02 |
| ln- | oh, a new TOH color | 13:02 |
| Sage- | flanag: I have it disabled yes | 13:03 |
| Froberg | I shall try disabling it then | 13:03 |
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| Froberg | ln- I am fond of my first one, personally, which GPS app are you using? | 13:03 |
| flanag | can anybody else here that claims they've never had a reboot tell if they have the PIN code query disabled? | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | ln-: hehe, they're selling the poppy red now | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | flanag: uh? meaning? | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | you mean the sim card pin? | 13:04 |
| flanag | yeah | 13:04 |
| ln- | yeah, that's an old color really | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | flanag: I don't | 13:04 |
| Sage- | Froberg: could be interesting thing to try, one other related thing is sim contacts Settings->apps->people | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | flanag: no sim card pin here, only device lock code | 13:04 |
| flanag | and no reboots (never)? | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | flanag: 1 reboot in the 2nd version of the (then beta) OS | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | but none at all | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | in the latest and greatest | 13:05 |
| Froberg | Sage- I have now disabled query for pin | 13:05 |
| flanag | I think I'm going to disable it too, see if it affects it | 13:05 |
| Froberg | and I don't use SIM contacts, manage all my contacts on google | 13:05 |
| flanag | input from more people would be helpful | 13:05 |
| Froberg | Since I don't even have a lock screen code, a sim code is just pissing in the wind, lol | 13:05 |
| Froberg | not sure why I didn't disable it earlier tbh | 13:06 |
| Sage- | :) | 13:06 |
| Froberg | Now it's just a 24hr waiting game to see if it re-occurs | 13:06 |
| Froberg | But no-one has experienced dropped call quality? | 13:06 |
| flanag | nope | 13:06 |
| Froberg | I am tempted to blame my gf's iPhone, since no-one else is complaining, but she is the only one I speak with for 1hr+ at a time | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | nope, better than n9 if anything, altho slightly | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | Froberg: iphone 4? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | Froberg: did your device get hot at same time? | 13:07 |
| Froberg | got my N9 right here still, got to get the last text messages out | 13:07 |
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| Froberg | Stskeeps nothing noticeable, but a little bit maybe - but that always happens during extended voice calls with the device firmly pressed against your skull, lol | 13:07 |
| Froberg | ggabriel - yes, she's got an iPhone 4 | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | Froberg: rubbish call quality IMNSHO (I used it for work), but better than most androids out there fwiw | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | compare with proper phone :) | 13:08 |
| Froberg | her voice comes through really poorly.. clearly they don't build 'em for voice calls | 13:08 |
| Froberg | hah ggabriel - you're echoing me when I bitch about 'droids and iphones | 13:09 |
| Froberg | everyone just thinks I'm a nut for it | 13:09 |
| Froberg | hell, I'd rather have a freakin' lumia, at least there's *some* nokia quality in it | 13:09 |
| Nicd- | I didn't find anything nice in my lumia 900 | 13:10 |
| Froberg | got a colleague at work who simply adores his | 13:10 |
| Froberg | we're the oddballs, he and I. | 13:10 |
| Froberg | He's the only one with a Windows phone, I'm the only one with a Jolla. | 13:10 |
| Nicd- | I was the worst smartphone I've used | 13:10 |
| Nicd- | it* | 13:10 |
| Froberg | everyone else is iOS or Samsung 'droids, or HTC's | 13:10 |
| * sledges always had SIM pin lock disabled for all SIMs | 13:11 | |
| Froberg | sledges SIMs?? As in plural? | 13:11 |
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| Froberg | You got some kind of TOH I don't? :D lol | 13:11 |
| sledges | yes | 13:11 |
| sledges | i got two jollas and 3 SIMs | 13:11 |
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| Froberg | but why? | 13:12 |
| Nicd- | I'm still waiting for the Dual SIM TOH where you attach two jollas to one TOH, just on different sides :) | 13:12 |
| sledges | because i can :D | 13:12 |
| Yaniel | I was just going to say that | 13:12 |
| Froberg | Nicd- they'd need a bezel color that was different though :p other than that.. great idea. Battery should be able to handle it. | 13:12 |
| Froberg | I can understand how you might have a work and a home SIM | 13:13 |
| Froberg | but.. three? | 13:13 |
| Yaniel | why not | 13:13 |
| Froberg | one for mistress, one for work and one for wife? | 13:13 |
| Nicd- | Froberg: he's a dev | 13:13 |
| Froberg | ah, makes sense then | 13:14 |
| Froberg | I kinda love that this community is full of IRC freaks | 13:14 |
| Yaniel | or one with very cheap data | 13:14 |
| * fk_lx takes out a whip for Stskeeps for not reading mails | 13:14 | |
| Froberg | everyone I used to know on IRC have left it behind | 13:14 |
| Froberg | for fucking facebook chat | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | I have one regular SIM and one prepaid data SIM I got for free | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | Froberg: I use facebook chat with my IRC client :P | 13:14 |
| Froberg | I use my second SIM with data only in my Lenovo X301 | 13:15 |
| Froberg | Nicd- I have trillian for fb chat.. still, prefer using mIRC for IRC since I am on.. 7 networks presently. | 13:15 |
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| Froberg | (Yes I use Windows for my workstation, so sue me! But my home server is 'nix :p) | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | oh, mIRC... those memories | 13:16 |
| Yaniel | I just set up znc yesterday and I'm pretty sure that will keep me on IRC for a loong time :P | 13:16 |
| Froberg | I've built on it with scripts since I started using the internet more or less.. so it's hard to move to something else | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | Froberg: yeah, I used mIRC from 2004 to 2012 I think | 13:17 |
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| Froberg | Nicd- gone full 'nix now, then? | 13:18 |
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| Froberg | I've never managed to go for long with any 'nix distribution on my workstation.. always end up missing stuff | 13:18 |
| Froberg | plus games, lol | 13:18 |
| AJAX555 | just bought aloe TOH, any way to listen these ringtones somehow? | 13:19 |
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| Nicd- | Froberg: I actually ran mIRC with wine on my server for a long time :P finally succumbed to irssi and now weechat | 13:20 |
| Froberg | meh, maybe I'm just a sucker for the familiar | 13:20 |
| Froberg | even got a start menu for my win8 installation because I loathe the metro interface with the intense burning and fiery passion of a million exploding suns | 13:20 |
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| Froberg | Just about to install 8.1 actually, I hear the start menu is back, lol | 13:23 |
| Nicd- | well, everyone hates metro | 13:23 |
| Froberg | I'm sure it's great for touch screens and tables | 13:23 |
| Waitee | lol | 13:23 |
| Waitee | metro is fine | 13:24 |
| Waitee | imho | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't mind trying it | 13:24 |
| Froberg | but why on earth would M$ willfully alienate their entire business segment? | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | but i won't pay for it | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | because they can | 13:24 |
| Waitee | i believe the biggest problem with people adapting metro is they havent got used to it :D | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | you could say the same about sailfish | 13:24 |
| Waitee | true | 13:25 |
| Froberg | No, because Sailfish isn't a market leader | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | and i'd hate for it to start having desktops like android | 13:25 |
| Froberg | maybe in tech and vision, but not in market share, lol | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | ok, market segment aside | 13:25 |
| sharpneli | Sailfish would be absolutely horrible as a desktop UI | 13:25 |
| Froberg | indeed | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | i meant desktop as those screens that android/ios have | 13:25 |
| Froberg | I just don't see what's wrong with the traditional interface | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | and that symbian has etc etc | 13:25 |
| Froberg | for MS | 13:25 |
| Waitee | Froberg: most of m$'s market value becomes from business to business stuff rather than office or windows for "normal" people | 13:25 |
| sharpneli | The issue with Metro is that they tried to force a mobile UI for keyboard and mouse users. Funnily enough previously they tried to force mouse+keyb UI for mobile users and that failed as well | 13:26 |
| Froberg | I've tried working on a chromebook, it's a "meh" experience at best | 13:26 |
| Waitee | i dont think metro has failed | 13:26 |
| Froberg | It totally has Waitee | 13:26 |
| Waitee | it's just a better version of start menu for mobile users | 13:26 |
| Froberg | Windows 7 is seeing faster adoption rate than win8 | 13:26 |
| sharpneli | It has failed on desktop. | 13:26 |
| Froberg | we just finished deploying win7 to 2500 computers at work yesterday | 13:26 |
| Waitee | well win8 starts up and opens programs faster than win7 on my rig | 13:27 |
| Froberg | we wouldn't touch windows 8 for a system wide deployment if we asked | 13:27 |
| Waitee | and i have more to complain about for example unity desktop than metro ui :D | 13:27 |
| Froberg | Waitee which is why I do use win8.. just bought the $5 app from stardock to avoid the metro interface entirely | 13:27 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:27 |
| Froberg | about to install the 8.1 update once the other 60 updates finish | 13:28 |
| Froberg | see how the return of the start button is | 13:28 |
| sharpneli | Waitee: Oh don't get me started on Unity desktop :D | 13:28 |
| flanag | Froberg: you should have gone for "StartIsBack" | 13:28 |
| Froberg | if it's another redirect-to-metro-screen-so-you-can-search-there I will flip out | 13:28 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:28 |
| flanag | I hear it's the best replacement for the start menu | 13:28 |
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| Froberg | Unity, that's the crap they vomited out on Ubuntu 'innit? | 13:28 |
| Froberg | been a while since I used desktop ubuntu | 13:28 |
| Yaniel | yes | 13:28 |
| Waitee | biggest reason why everyone loves the traditional start menu so much is because it has been there "always" | 13:29 |
| Froberg | I have never been so happy that my ubuntu install is headless, lol | 13:29 |
| Waitee | traditionally people hate when stuff change | 13:29 |
| Froberg | Waitee my reason is ease of use, really. | 13:29 |
| Yaniel | Froberg: I have been vvery happy about my decision to not use ubuntu | 13:29 |
| Waitee | Froberg: ease of use? define | 13:29 |
| Froberg | pinned apps I frequently use, and I can write run commands directly in the search bar | 13:29 |
| Yaniel | in theory metro is not bad I guess | 13:29 |
| sharpneli | Waitee: I don't really get that excuse. Because every single new thing which sucks can be excused as "Oh you just don't like change" | 13:29 |
| Froberg | I use run-commands a lot | 13:29 |
| Froberg | winkey+type is faster than winkey+r + type | 13:30 |
| Waitee | sharpneli: true | 13:30 |
| Froberg | Yaniel metro is lovely for touch devices | 13:30 |
| Yaniel | but type-to-search-incrementally could use some work | 13:30 |
| Yaniel | especially when searching for stuff like sections of the control panel | 13:30 |
| Froberg | further the metro interface distinquishes between searching for files and for applications | 13:31 |
| Froberg | and many of my applications are stand-alone and run without being installed, hence they aren't found when doing normal searches | 13:31 |
| Yaniel | it is like goto metro, type, tab to the sidebar, type more, tab tab, enter | 13:31 |
| Waitee | did you know you can access control panel by right clicking the lower left corner | 13:31 |
| Waitee | on win7 | 13:31 |
| Waitee | win8* | 13:31 |
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| Froberg | Waitee yeah I took the obligatory "quick intro to win8 shortcuts" thing | 13:31 |
| Froberg | Still it would make my day-to-day work in IT Support more difficult | 13:32 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:32 |
| Froberg | winkey+mstsc+enter | 13:32 |
| Froberg | how many times daily? | 13:32 |
| Froberg | too damn many! | 13:32 |
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| Waitee | :D | 13:32 |
| Froberg | can't imagine winkey, new screen, mstsc, enter | 13:32 |
| Froberg | and probably getting thrown back to desktop to display the mstsc | 13:32 |
| sharpneli | Another issue with metro is the forced fullscreen stuff. It's clearly designed for small displays but when you have 27" 2560x1440 monitor it's horrible | 13:33 |
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| Waitee | sharpneli: i agree totally with that | 13:33 |
| sharpneli | I have enough screen estate to actually display controls. They don't have to be hidden. | 13:33 |
| Froberg | Completely agree sharpneli | 13:33 |
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| flanag | Froberg: win 8.1 doesn't seperate files and applications anymore | 13:33 |
| iekku | ahoy | 13:33 |
| Froberg | and I never fullscreen any application | 13:33 |
| Froberg | I currently have winupdate, mIRC and my browser side by side on the screen | 13:33 |
| Yaniel | flanag: what could possibly go wrong.... | 13:33 |
| Waitee | i've heard 8.1 fixes almost everything people complain about | 13:33 |
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| Froberg | flanag I've heard good stuff like that, hence my installing it and giving it a fair shot | 13:34 |
| Froberg | I still won't be using the metro interface to find stuff | 13:34 |
| Froberg | it gives me zero productivity enhancement | 13:34 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:34 |
| Froberg | If I wanted to be less productive, I would just use a damn tablet | 13:34 |
| flanag | heh | 13:34 |
| Yaniel | now if my uni actually got around to fix their dreamspark auth... | 13:34 |
| Froberg | dreamspark is a miserable pile of crap | 13:35 |
| Froberg | *cough* | 13:35 |
| Waitee | Froberg: wouldnt totally agree with that | 13:35 |
| Froberg | it is when it doesn't work due to incompetence | 13:35 |
| Froberg | not MS' fault.. but hey | 13:35 |
| Froberg | :p | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | free windows & visual studio licenses, why not | 13:35 |
| Waitee | i got myself 3 copies of win8 and vs | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | i miss having msdnaa | 13:35 |
| Froberg | looking at what I'm writing it's actually kind of funny that I'm a huge Windows defender everywhere I go | 13:36 |
| Froberg | I just roll my eyes when some idiot comes in to work and talks about all the license fees we could save if we dropped MS Office and Windows and used Ubuntu/Open Office instead. | 13:36 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:36 |
| Froberg | For one thing, we'd have to expand our support staff by 1-200% | 13:36 |
| Waitee | yup | 13:37 |
| Waitee | negative sides of open software is that they are mostly incomplete | 13:37 |
| Froberg | ok 60 updates waiting to install, reboot time, then 8.1, then I shall return | 13:37 |
| Froberg | if I do not, you will know I am facing the blue-screen of love | 13:37 |
| Acce | you would need to tell your employees that it is the version of windows and ms office, deal with it | 13:38 |
| Froberg | and yes I know it's not actually blue anymore | 13:38 |
| Waitee | i've had only one bsod on this rig | 13:38 |
| Froberg | I've had 0. | 13:38 |
| Froberg | I reinstalled XP so frequently that I'd custom-built my own image to do it. | 13:38 |
| Froberg | auto-installing with all updates. | 13:38 |
| Froberg | Since I got win7 I've never re-installed for performance issues. | 13:38 |
| Froberg | ever. | 13:38 |
| Waitee | well it happened because i played bf3 and my cpu cooler fan was jammed | 13:38 |
| sharpneli | I've had several. But considering that I use AMD GPU it's not a surprise :D | 13:39 |
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| Froberg | Waitee in Denmark we'd call that an "error 40", does that translate? ;) | 13:39 |
| Froberg | sharpneli I do too, and still nothing. | 13:39 |
| Waitee | ;D | 13:39 |
| Waitee | pebkac | 13:39 |
| Waitee | lol | 13:39 |
| Froberg | Now I just need to figure out why PostBox seems to require half a gig of memory.. | 13:40 |
| Froberg | kinda miss thunderbird now, lol | 13:40 |
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| Waitee | people in finland complain on the local newspaper that ISP's should inform people more on winXP case :D | 13:40 |
| Froberg | Waitee not understood? | 13:41 |
| Waitee | someone commented something like "electricity company doesnt help you with a broken dishwasher" | 13:41 |
| Froberg | so ISP's should be supporting end-users on XP issues? | 13:41 |
| Waitee | according to one article on the biggest newspaper in finland | 13:41 |
| Waitee | yes | 13:41 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:41 |
| Froberg | Like we say in Denmark: "De er skøre de finnere.." | 13:41 |
| Yaniel | XP is an issue by itself these days -.- | 13:42 |
| Froberg | It's also out of support. | 13:42 |
| Waitee | well people dont want to upgrade :D | 13:42 |
| Froberg | Good riddance, it was a good OS, but since 7 there's been no reason to use it. | 13:42 |
| Yaniel | 7 is surprisingly good for a windows | 13:42 |
| Yaniel | I hope 8.1 really matches that | 13:42 |
| Froberg | it's surprisingly good period | 13:42 |
| Froberg | 7 and 8 both | 13:42 |
| Yaniel | or 9 if that is released anytime soon | 13:43 |
| Froberg | you could argue that MS needs a better file system | 13:43 |
| Froberg | but other than that.. | 13:43 |
| Waitee | Froberg: íf you dont like metro, you won't really love 8.1 :D | 13:43 |
| Froberg | I am using 8 now Waitee | 13:43 |
| Froberg | never see metro interface | 13:43 |
| Yaniel | Waitee: it can still be a good OS :P | 13:43 |
| sharpneli | And better commandline. It's PITA to compile android stuff on windows because of the 32k limit for arguments. | 13:43 |
| ballock | go away you windows frieks | 13:43 |
| sharpneli | Heck it even breaks Visual Studio from time to time | 13:43 |
| Yaniel | lol | 13:43 |
| Froberg | sharpneli limit on folder structure length is annoying too | 13:43 |
| Waitee | lol | 13:43 |
| Waitee | im running win8 now | 13:43 |
| Waitee | cant be arsed to upgrade | 13:44 |
| Yaniel | well, let's correct "good" to "decent" | 13:44 |
| Froberg | particularly for someone anally retentive about putting stuff in to folders like me | 13:44 |
| Yaniel | I've been thinking of upgrading 7 -> 8.1 but dreamspark~ | 13:44 |
| ballock | for sure there's a #windows-lovers channel or so | 13:44 |
| Froberg | lol | 13:44 |
| Waitee | let's correct "decent" to "i guess i can live with that" | 13:44 |
| Froberg | and we were just having such a nice time | 13:44 |
| sharpneli | ballock: W7 and Ubuntu at work. Arch lunigz at home and W7 for gaemz. And I pretty much hate all of those :D | 13:44 |
| sharpneli | Arch annoys me the least probably. | 13:44 |
| Yaniel | I love arch | 13:44 |
| Froberg | I've heard good stuff about arch | 13:45 |
| Froberg | gotta try it some time | 13:45 |
| Yaniel | except when wild breakage appears | 13:45 |
| Waitee | i like fedora | 13:45 |
| sharpneli | It doesn't get in your way most of the time. Except when what Yaniel said happens. | 13:45 |
| Froberg | ^gay | 13:45 |
| * Yaniel once spent a day replacing the bootloader. thanks rEFInd | 13:45 | |
| Acce | arch love | 13:45 |
| Froberg | fedora just sounds gay :p | 13:45 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:45 |
| Waitee | the hat is very gay indeed | 13:45 |
| Yaniel | waitee should get a pink fedora | 13:45 |
| Acce | fedoras are cool hats, dude! | 13:45 |
| Froberg | it's like, "Let me get my fedora and we'll dance all night! *jazz hands*" | 13:45 |
| Yaniel | it would match the nick color here btw | 13:46 |
| Waitee | Acce: gotcha | 13:46 |
| Froberg | they really aren't | 13:46 |
| ballock | sharpneli: Debian at work Debian at home and Sailfish on the mobile | 13:46 |
| Froberg | the fictional viking helmets are pretty wizard though | 13:46 |
| sharpneli | And it was relatively painless to mash in mer-sdk with Sailfish target to Arch so I can build even buggy RPM's | 13:46 |
| Waitee | berets are the best : D | 13:46 |
| sharpneli | ballock: I'd love to use debian but it's always "Oh you want anything that later than 5 years old? AHAHAHAHAA good luck!" | 13:46 |
| Acce | it's not my problem if you have gay fixations *belch* | 13:46 |
| Froberg | for someone who barely understands C# - your developer geek speech does not scare me at all! | 13:46 |
| Froberg | >.< | 13:47 |
| Yaniel | sharpneli: yeah arch is nice in that there is no magic preventing you from doing all that fun stuff | 13:47 |
| Froberg | I am just assuming you guys are developers, or programmers.. you sound like it | 13:47 |
| Yaniel | well... Jolla is kind of a geek phone :P | 13:48 |
| Froberg | The definition of one, I'd say. | 13:48 |
| Yaniel | so no surprise there are that kind of people here | 13:48 |
| Froberg | There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't. | 13:48 |
| Yaniel | *that* kind | 13:48 |
| Waitee | lel | 13:48 |
| sharpneli | The only phone in the markets which don't make me cry blood whenever I want to develop some stuff for it. Mostly because it's just Linux | 13:48 |
| Acce | arch does what you tell it to do, not what someone else guessed you might want it to | 13:48 |
| Froberg | I am not complaining Yaniel, those are my kind of people. Usually with an above average IQ too. | 13:48 |
| Waitee | also the people you find using irc these days are by default nerds :D | 13:49 |
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| Froberg | Yeah.. even getting on an IRC server for most is a technical feat worth of applause. | 13:49 |
| Froberg | heh, I remember a job interview I had to be a security consultant once, I had mentioned briefly on my CV that I'd made some bots for IRC in .tcl | 13:50 |
| sharpneli | Waitee: Or relatively HC gamers as shown by the continuing popularity of Quakenet | 13:50 |
| Waitee | sharpneli: true | 13:50 |
| Froberg | they were sure I was a black-hat botnet master, lmao | 13:50 |
| Waitee | also scouts | 13:50 |
| Froberg | Did get the job though. | 13:50 |
| sharpneli | Froberg :D | 13:50 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | :D | 13:50 |
| Froberg | I am on quakenet still | 13:50 |
| Froberg | from my counter-strike days. | 13:51 |
| Waitee | im on ircnet, quakenet, freenode and scoutlink | 13:51 |
| Froberg | No-one in Denmark is using it any more from what I can tell. I'm @ on a seek channel that used to average 1k people, now there are less than 50. | 13:51 |
| Froberg | I'm Oper on BorkNet | 13:51 |
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| Froberg | you will be forgiven for not knowing what it is, lmao | 13:51 |
| sharpneli | Ircnet is still kicking. Probably because of the massive amounts of finns there | 13:52 |
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| Froberg | oh, right, win 8.1 | 13:52 |
| Froberg | wish me luck chaps | 13:52 |
| Froberg | hopefully I will see you soon | 13:52 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:52 |
| Froberg | unless I need to re-install | 13:52 |
| Waitee | good luck | 13:52 |
| sharpneli | Good luck. You'll need it! | 13:53 |
| Froberg | tyvm my new friend ;) | 13:53 |
| Yaniel | may the fsck be with you | 13:53 |
| Froberg | Yaniel and Waitee | 13:53 |
| flanag | remebe | 13:53 |
| Froberg | Do you know Mikko Hypponen? | 13:53 |
| Waitee | not in person | 13:53 |
| Waitee | but i follow him on irssi | 13:53 |
| Froberg | just wondering what his celeb status is in his native homeland | 13:53 |
| Waitee | on twitter even*** | 13:53 |
| Froberg | since no-one here knows what I'm on about when I brag about having met with and spoken with him multiple times | 13:54 |
| Yaniel | doesn't ring a bell | 13:54 |
| flanag | Froberg: he always get's interviewed with anything to do with security | 13:54 |
| Waitee | Yaniel: f-secure dude | 13:54 |
| flanag | *gets | 13:54 |
| Froberg | aye, we had him for multiple security seminars at my old job. | 13:54 |
| Waitee | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikko_Hypp%C3%B6nen | 13:54 |
| Froberg | we were the biggest f-secure partner in Denmark at the time, so naturally we wanted Mikko all the time, lol | 13:54 |
| Froberg | was disappointed the partner summit was held in fucking Stockholm though | 13:55 |
| Froberg | I had looked forward to sweat huts and Finnish spirits | 13:55 |
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| flanag | has wikipedia changed font btw? it looks different | 13:55 |
| Waitee | propably | 13:55 |
| Waitee | dunno | 13:55 |
| Froberg | I think they have, yes | 13:55 |
| Froberg | right, now I am really going to go. | 13:55 |
| flanag | Froberg: hey | 13:55 |
| Froberg | ½ an hour to say goodbye is enough, lol | 13:55 |
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| Froberg | fingers crossed please :D | 13:56 |
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| flanag | Froberg: do you remember the magic steps to skip microsoft account? | 13:56 |
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| flanag | if you are going to do that | 13:56 |
| Waitee | Froberg: i will pee on the grave of your dead PC | 13:56 |
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| Froberg | nah don't mind using it | 13:56 |
| Waitee | no seriously good luck with that : | 13:56 |
| Froberg | makes no difference if using it or not | 13:56 |
| Froberg | Waitee you best remember it's a short trip to Finland | 13:56 |
| flanag | hah | 13:57 |
| Froberg | and my nerd-rage will be massive should I need to re-install, lol | 13:57 |
| Waitee | xD | 13:57 |
| Froberg | brb | 13:57 |
| Froberg | (he said ironically) | 13:57 |
| Waitee | you wish | 13:57 |
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| Waitee | :D | 13:57 |
| spacedentist | hey jollaistas. do you know where i can buy a second battery for my jolla phone? | 13:57 |
| Yaniel | waitee have you installed ponymix on your jolla yet? :P | 13:58 |
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| Waitee | Yaniel: no i havent | 13:58 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:58 |
| Waitee | i quit with the brony trolling after my freshman friend accidentally turned into one | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | oh :D | 13:59 |
| sharpneli | "Oh my god what have I done" :D | 13:59 |
| Oni^ | : D | 14:00 |
| Waitee | sharpneli: indeed | 14:00 |
| Waitee | i was just forcing mlp in our guild room : D | 14:00 |
| Waitee | because it generates so much hate | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantin: pandora lipstick still installs as lipstick-qt5? | 14:18 |
| SfietKonstantin | Stskeeps: yes, it is a patched lipstick-qt5 | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | so when an upgrade rolls in with a better version, it'll get removed? | 14:20 |
| SfietKonstantin | It _might_ enables updates from jolla seamlessly | 14:20 |
| SfietKonstantin | it should | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:20 |
| SfietKonstantin | but just to be sure, I leave the warning on TMO page | 14:20 |
| zmo | hi o/ | 14:20 |
| zmo | just receipt a 10x/20x microscope to do some PCB inspection, and just for the fun, I looked at an iphone and the jolla's displays | 14:21 |
| Acce | next update will bring dynamic loading of OS over mobile network? | 14:21 |
| zmo | it's crazy how tiny are the pixels on the iphone, almost half of the jolla's | 14:21 |
| Acce | > infinite updates | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | zmo: isn't iphone higher resolution? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: no, that's for 2.0 | 14:22 |
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| zmo | Stskeeps - it's what I'm saying, pixels of the iphone are close to be half of the size of the jolla's | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:22 |
| zmo | if I could take pictures using the microscope that'd be awesome ;-) | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | have to admit that jolla's ads are pretty cool | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | i wonder who makes the music | 14:26 |
| sharpneli | And dat music <3 | 14:26 |
| sharpneli | Exactly! | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i mean in general | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | shall i open a question in tjc? or maybe "demand" that jolla supports daft punk or something "officially" in their ads? | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | ok, i'm being mean onw | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | looking forward when we can license NIN for our videos.. | 14:27 |
| Acce | zmo: usb microscopes are around 20-40 € | 14:27 |
| Acce | very nice tools / toys | 14:27 |
| flux | zmo, btw, here's a picture produced by a el-cheapo microscope of the Jolla display: http://www.modeemi.fi/~flux/jolla-display.jpg | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | nin? | 14:28 |
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| zmo | it looks like that's 10x magnifying, though maybe having the eye on the microscope gets a different feeling of magnifying :-) | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: nine inch nails | 14:29 |
| zmo | Acce - hum, that's good to know | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | oh | 14:29 |
| zmo | anyway, I was just toying around as I had a microscope and phones close by, so after looking at single hair, I looked at displays :-p | 14:30 |
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| flux | I actually have one of those microscopes hooked to a Shapeoko, one day I shall capture a big picture with it :) | 14:31 |
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| Froberg | Hi again all | 14:49 |
| Froberg | Waitee you are safe another day. ;) | 14:49 |
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| Waitee | ;D | 14:50 |
| Froberg | had to reinstall start8 though | 14:50 |
| Acce | http://www.pixmania.co.uk/search/usb-microscop.html I bought the 200x one | 14:51 |
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| Acce | could be better though, the thing is not entirely thought through | 14:51 |
| Tofe | Acce: the icons are not *that* small | 14:52 |
| Acce | eg, to have 200x zoom, your object has to be inside the transparent plastic part | 14:52 |
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| Acce | Tofe: lol | 14:52 |
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| Acce | took these with it: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l1hqwebc73xqn3u/jalkaan_tarkennus.jpg | 14:54 |
| Acce | https://www.dropbox.com/s/e2ycbqd620nghpp/padiin_tarkennus.jpg | 14:54 |
| Froberg | Waitee it seems everyone left while I was on a 45 minute hiatus | 14:56 |
| Froberg | figures | 14:56 |
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| Tofe | I've just seen in the news that a tramway got mysteriously out of track in Helsinki... Is that a hint for a Jolla 2 ? | 15:08 |
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| Tofe | or maybe a rock-solid OH | 15:10 |
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| Acce | it's hint of Tram OH | 15:12 |
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| kimmoli | that was just test of the driverless-trams in Helsinki | 15:23 |
| ggabriel | danger! | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | kimmoli: sailfish tram uo | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | ui | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | alpha test failed ;) | 15:24 |
| kimmoli | True UX | 15:25 |
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| ggabriel | i wonder what the algorithm that decides whether to ring the bell or brake looks like | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | 300 points for pensionists | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | :) | 15:31 |
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| Acce | "We wanted to share some intense experiences we had while developing at Jolla" | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god, is this the RIOT-ON style documentary about Jolla? | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | uhm... do you actually party that hard? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | well | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | depends if you touch systemd or not | 15:50 |
| Acce | :D | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | ok, so the answer is no | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | oh no! no quotes on imdb for riot on | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | there's a fantastic one about lies and truth | 15:50 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: you cannot not state it now | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: i don't remember it | 15:53 |
| Tofe | gaaaaa | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | it goes along the lines of "he was blatantly lying, but then if you take time away, and _if_ at some point the gap between lie and truth got filled up, was it ever a lie?" | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | i mean, i'm rubbish at remembering it word by word | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | it deserved this superhero at that very instant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lRIQGU2RRk | 15:54 |
| Tofe | :) a bit alike Pratchett then: he was saying the truth, at least for a certain definition of truth | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | A kickoff meeting about SailfishOS, open source, collaboration, way forward - https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003829.html | 16:07 |
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| Acce | more like kickin meeting | 16:37 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: great idea | 16:45 |
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| Kiranos | Stskeeps: https://ssltools.websecurity.symantec.com/checker/views/certCheck.jsp <- lists.sailfishos.org | 16:57 |
| Kiranos | my chroem compains about the cert | 16:59 |
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| Quu | upgrade to chrome | 17:00 |
| Quu | maybe it works after that | 17:00 |
| Kiranos | I use chrome :) | 17:00 |
| Kiranos | Version 33.0.1750.154 m | 17:00 |
| special | Kiranos: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=lists.sailfishos.org&hideResults=on is a more useful analysis | 17:02 |
| special | it's a valid cert, but there should be another intermediate in the chain | 17:02 |
| special | it passes under firefox because firefox has that intermediate | 17:02 |
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| Quu | are you special enough to fix it? | 17:03 |
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| special | I can file a bug for the people who are | 17:04 |
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| Venemo | so | 17:06 |
| Venemo | now anyone can buy a LE TOH without the first one caption, but with a cooler ambience | 17:07 |
| Yaniel | hmm? | 17:07 |
| special | Kiranos: Quu: bug filed | 17:08 |
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| Quu | mmmm bug filee | 17:09 |
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| Kabouik | Hey there. Any way to make a shortcut that would launch several apps at once? | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | shortcut to a sh script? | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | .deskto | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | p | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 17:19 |
| faenil | I was about to say that xD | 17:19 |
| Kabouik | Now that Patchmanager allowed more than 9 covers at once, and apparently the Jolla can handle that, I want to use covers a lot (less a mess than all my billions of icons in the launcher) | 17:20 |
| Kabouik | That was what I was thinking about actually, thanks to confirm | 17:20 |
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| Kabouik | I'm not sure what to put in the .sh script though, can I just copy/paste the content of app1.desktop and app2.desktop into the script, or do I need something more? | 17:21 |
| Tofe | You want to do a launcher-bomb ? | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: Exec= line perhaps | 17:21 |
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| Kabouik | I want to have maybe my "Average usage.desktop" and "Heavy toolkit.desktop" :P | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | clever | 17:22 |
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| Kabouik | Are you being ironic Stskeeps? Hmpf! | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | no | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:22 |
| Kabouik | Yeah yeah... ! Well, let's try that when I get home then | 17:23 |
| TemeV_ | Kabouik, nice idea. I think I'll have to try that also | 17:23 |
| Kabouik | I'm not sure if any separator should be used, or just several exec= lines | 17:24 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: no, one exec line | 17:25 |
| faenil | Kabouik, you have to strip "Exec=" off the line | 17:25 |
| faenil | (in the sh) | 17:25 |
| SfietKonstantin | in the script, strip exec like faenil said | 17:25 |
| SfietKonstantin | but in the desktop file, one exec line calling the script | 17:25 |
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| Kabouik | Alright | 17:26 |
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| Kabouik | I will try that. I have no experience in coding but a .desktop file cannot harm, I'll see if I manage to write the script the proper way | 17:26 |
| Kabouik | SfietKonstantin, are folders on the launcher beyond the capabilities of Patchmanager + Pandora, or is that achievable? | 17:27 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: a bit beyond. It requires a lot of work | 17:28 |
| SfietKonstantin | and I would prefer spending this in the MW and #nemomobile UI | 17:28 |
| faenil | Kabouik, you know, there's a reason why it's not there on sailfish yet :D | 17:29 |
| Kabouik | I was not suggesting you should do it (well, you should :O), just wondering whether that dream could become reality someday if someone works on it with Pandora | 17:29 |
| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: if it works even without pandora | 17:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | I think that Jolla engineers are seriously thinking of it | 17:30 |
| Kabouik | They stated they are, on TJC | 17:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: there you are, got your answer ;) | 17:31 |
| Kabouik | But this was a long time ago and more recently one of them asked here if the question had been raised on TJC :P | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: you know, it takes time to develop features | 17:31 |
| Kabouik | So they probably think about it, but not sure the project has been started | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantin | patches are easy, features not | 17:31 |
| Kabouik | Absolutely, I don't complain at all SfietKonstantin | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: np | 17:32 |
| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: just, it takes time :( | 17:32 |
| Kabouik | Just, if you happen to have 5 min of free time tonight and you decide to do that, and to add turn by turn GPS if you get 2 more minutes, just let me know. ;) | 17:33 |
| Kabouik | Anyway Patchmanager is awesome. It's a giant leap forward for the user experience already. | 17:34 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Kabouik: hahaha, :P | 17:35 |
| suosaaski | So, I'm probably never gonna try running Sailfish on my Lenovo A1000. Getting rid of it tomorrow (I'll get 70e out of it, I don't think MAYBE getting Sailfish is worth it :)) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah, mediatek | 17:36 |
| faenil | I want a SMALL (3.5" possibly) moderately powerful, and with big battery smartphone... | 17:37 |
| faenil | is there anything out there with those specs? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | faenil: No. | 17:37 |
| RST38h | But you can have fries. | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | anything with those specs with a mugen battery? | 17:37 |
| faenil | Xiaomi MI2 is close to that | 17:37 |
| faenil | RST38h, oh, fries | 17:37 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, yeah, that can do | 17:37 |
| kimmoli | Z80 ? | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: this automatically negates "small" | 17:38 |
| faenil | sorry I should have specified, small display | 17:38 |
| suosaaski | You always need to compromise on at least one feature with those specs (usually either battery or screen size / smallness) | 17:38 |
| faenil | I hate how big smartphones are becoming | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Ok, try HTC First / HTC One | 17:38 |
| SfietKonstantin | faenil: why small ? | 17:38 |
| SfietKonstantin | IMO, N9 is small | 17:39 |
| faenil | SfietKonstantin, yes, N9 is okayish... | 17:39 |
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| faenil | RST38h, HTC one small? XD | 17:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | so you can have 4" cant' you ? | 17:39 |
| TemeV_ | Something between N9 and Jolla would be nice | 17:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | HTC one is definitely not small at all | 17:39 |
| faenil | well, it's an upper bound | 17:39 |
| RST38h | faenil: HTC First is pretty tiny | 17:39 |
| suosaaski | N9 has bad battery life if you do anything but idle with it. | 17:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | Jolla is ok | 17:39 |
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| SfietKonstantin | N9 is a bit small for me now | 17:39 |
| faenil | Jolla is already too big for me | 17:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | or what about a Jolla with a slightly bigger screen ? :) | 17:39 |
| RST38h | faenil: Yes, you will have to disable that ugly Facebook Home on it | 17:39 |
| RST38h | After which it becomes a generic Android phone | 17:40 |
| dunp | i like n900 | 17:40 |
| faenil | htc first is still 4.3... | 17:40 |
| RST38h | n900 is not small by any measure | 17:40 |
| RST38h | BTW, anything that involves OLED screens is notgoing to have good battery life | 17:41 |
| RST38h | So, scratch those. | 17:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | what I want is LPM :/ | 17:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | don't care about screen size | 17:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | love the new HTC one design, with dots, and LPM | 17:41 |
| suosaaski | iPhone would fit the specs, as OS was not specced. Also some of the cheaper lumias (620, 520) are ok-ish. | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Suprisingly, Samsung Mega has long battery life, of all things | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Because of the normal LCD screen and huge m@#$cking battery | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Whether you want to be caught with Samsung Mega in public is a completely different matter of course | 17:43 |
| SfietKonstantin | suosaaski: closed bootloader is bad | 17:43 |
| suosaaski | SfietKonstantin: yeah, if one wants to run sailfish on it. | 17:43 |
| SfietKonstantin | suosaaski: yep ... | 17:44 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: WinPho or iOS? | 17:44 |
| SfietKonstantin | but waiting for the HADK now | 17:44 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: I mean, I can stand Android (barely), but WinPho or iOS??? | 17:44 |
| SfietKonstantin | (btw, sledges or Stskeeps, why not HACK, hardware adaptation creation kit) | 17:44 |
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| suosaaski | RST38h: none of the current android phones seem to have a small screen | 17:44 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: HTC First | 17:44 |
| sledges | SfietKonstantin not fishy enough ;P | 17:44 |
| sledges | and google won't find :) | 17:44 |
| SfietKonstantin | sledges: I know | 17:44 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: Or its non-facebook analog (HTC One?) | 17:44 |
| SfietKonstantin | sledges: heard of Facebook HACK ? | 17:45 |
| SfietKonstantin | :D | 17:45 |
| sledges | nope | 17:45 |
| sledges | :D | 17:45 |
| SfietKonstantin | try search it on google :D | 17:45 |
| sledges | :D | 17:45 |
| SfietKonstantin | the first link is "how to hack FB" | 17:45 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: Also, Samsung makes a bunch of generic Android phones with funny Galaxy-something names. They are small. | 17:45 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: Possibly that Nokia's Asha replacement phone as well (anyone tried hacking it?) | 17:46 |
| suosaaski | I must say that I was a bit fascinated about lumia 930. Luckily it was announced months too early (not available), just as nokia always does, so it feels old when actually available and I won't want it anymore :) | 17:46 |
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| suosaaski | RST38h: at least someone already hacked google play to it... | 17:48 |
| suosaaski | anyway, of course those cheap models all are lacking in the "powerfull" part of the requirements | 17:48 |
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| SfietKonstantin | suosaaski: you are speaking about Nokia X | 17:49 |
| SfietKonstantin | yeah, Android phones, should be ok to hack | 17:49 |
| suosaaski | SfietKonstantin: yes, the asha replacement | 17:49 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | not replacement | 17:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | complemntary | 17:49 |
| suosaaski | it will replace asha over time | 17:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | suosaaski: maybe | 17:50 |
| suosaaski | unless ms gives it the axe | 17:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | goodbye old ashas :( | 17:50 |
| CoderCandy | hey, Stskeeps, would it be okay if I returned to the care script? | 17:50 |
| faenil | suosaaski, oh well ofc my aim was to run Sailfish on it :D | 17:50 |
| faenil | I thought that was obvious :D | 17:50 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: google play isn't hardto add | 17:51 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: the original guy did not ask for powerful | 17:51 |
| suosaaski | Huawei Ascend Y300 has 4" display, 1GHz dualcore, Android 4.1 and costs 125e in Finland. | 17:51 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: But you have to define what powerful means nowadays. | 17:51 |
| faenil | I asked for moderately powerful actually :p | 17:52 |
| faenil | and small screen, that's it | 17:52 |
| RST38h | suosaaski: Having 4-6-8 ARM cores is not really "powerful", more like "excessive" | 17:52 |
| suosaaski | ah right, it was "moderately powerfull" | 17:52 |
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| faenil | RST38h, having a good GPU is needed though, if you want sailfish to run decently on it :p | 17:52 |
| RST38h | faenil: also a questionable item, I would prefer well supported gpu | 17:53 |
| faenil | come on, don't make me specify everything | 17:53 |
| RST38h | faenil: having compared Rockchip's GPU with Nvidia's, I will take Rockchip any time of the day | 17:53 |
| suosaaski | RST38h: well, I would not say not powerfull with 4+ cores, maybe just not efficient | 17:53 |
| CoderCandy | I hope the jolla can run sailfish... | 17:53 |
| faenil | good doesn't mean "has more transistors" | 17:53 |
| faenil | ... | 17:53 |
| faenil | CoderCandy, the Jolla is a Q8930, not exactly a class-B citizen | 17:54 |
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| faenil | but sailfishos is full of graphics effects, shaders, etc | 17:55 |
| faenil | GPU horsepower is required | 17:55 |
| RST38h | faenil: Standard Mali GPU will do just fine | 17:56 |
| suosaaski | I know the conversation started with 3.5" display size, but has anyone tried / wanted to try Sailfish on a Huawei Ascend P6? I think as far as specs go, it looks quite nice and looks nice physically too, at least in pictures. | 17:56 |
| faenil | RST38h, standard is not very specific :9 | 17:56 |
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| RST38h | faenil: "Standard" as "used in many chipsets, well documented, with reasonably open documentation and drivers" | 17:57 |
| faenil | for example I wouldn't say mali400 is enough | 17:57 |
| faenil | meh :p | 17:57 |
| suosaaski | How about Samsung Galaxy Trend Plus? | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Does not have to provide top performance | 17:58 |
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| faenil | but not even mid-low class, given sailfish nature | 17:58 |
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| faenil | I think xiaomi is the only that can provide what I need | 17:58 |
| suosaaski | Galaxy S3 Mini? | 17:59 |
| faenil | novathor....ghhh :/ | 18:00 |
| faenil | btw, I have to leave guys, sorry :D | 18:01 |
| faenil | cya later! | 18:01 |
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| faenil | back :) | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 19:15 |
| Kabouik | Anyone can confirm a custom .desktop file should go in /usr/share/applications, or is there another location like in N9? | 19:15 |
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| Turski | wtf, why is poppy red other half now available for everyone? | 19:30 |
| friese | cause it doesn't have "the first one" written on it ;) | 19:31 |
| Turski | i thought it was supposed to be special color | 19:31 |
| Yaniel | so did I | 19:31 |
| friese | you still got the unique ambience though (but tbh i like the new poppy red one better) | 19:31 |
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| Nightmare__ | https://together.jolla.com/question/29352/rich-communication-services-on-jolla/ | 21:52 |
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| Aard | Nightmare__: it's a rather messed up specification, designed to give operators control over how users send content back (and obviously make them pay for it) | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | Yet another NIH protocol? | 22:06 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: the existing ones don't allow billing :p | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | Geeee... You'd think, considering they've been reinventing internet protocols since the late 90s, that they would have realized by now that it only burns colossal amounts of money, with 0 ROI | 22:09 |
| Nightmare__ | at least your are dependent of one company like whatsapp | 22:09 |
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| Nightmare__ | *are not | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | Is this RCS thing a newer version of the earlier failed instant messaging thing? | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | it was marketed as presence or something like that,,, | 22:10 |
| Aard | Nightmare__: we've discussed rcs / joyn almost two years ago, and we currently don't believe it'll gain much attraction. in case it unexpectedly does it should'nt be too hard to implement it, though | 22:11 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: they changed the name for it a few times | 22:11 |
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| ShadowJK | It existed around 2003-2005 though, iirc? | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | uh, as in, "I became aware of its existence, I believe, around 2003-2005" | 22:12 |
| Aard | no, it was in discussion since something like 2006 or 2007, but no ready implementations were out | 22:12 |
| Nightmare__ | that's ok, my own provider doesn't spupport it yet and i don't know anyone using it ;) | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | I vaguely recall it was advertised/discussed in the same context as the "PTT" VoIP service | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | The PTT thing was probably only thing that ever got any use at all | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | (WalkieTalkie replacement thing) | 22:13 |
| Aard | there might be some initial use, as they're currently providing it for free to get users starting it. but knowing the insanity of the average operator they'll probably manage to get everyone run away once they think they have enough to start billing | 22:14 |
| Nightmare__ | oh ptt was a really long time ago | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah 10+ years ago, I would say | 22:14 |
| Yaniel | ptt w | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | My memory is really bad, but I remember that time period, whenever it was, kinda good | 22:15 |
| Yaniel | PTT was not exactly ideal at a time when WLANs were rare and mobile data expensive as hell | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | It was reasonable | 22:16 |
| Aard | in most countries mobile data is still somewhat insanely priced | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast, Panu Lehti said, with foam running from his mouth, that it is a revolution in voice communications | 22:17 |
| Yaniel | with a flatrate data plan something it might have a chance | 22:17 |
| Aard | I'll be in germany next week, and put some money on an old prepaid card earlier. 10 eur/1 month with 500mb, or 2 eur/day with 500mb/day, but only up two 5gb/month. that's insane | 22:17 |
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| Nightmare__ | thats Germany :D the lowest price i can find is about 9€/mon with 500MB | 22:23 |
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| Aard | I'm going for the 2 eur/day plan, and hope that I get along with 500mb each day. and will pay more for that week than I pay here for a real flatrate | 22:26 |
| mornfall | 500m a day? i get along with 200 a *month* | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | ngh nope, can't IRC from my Jolla holding it with just one hand :( | 22:28 |
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| Yaniel | at least need not when lying on my back | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | too easy to accidentally touch the corner if the screen | 22:29 |
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| Aard | mornfall: ever did bittorrent on your phone? :p | 22:29 |
| Yaniel | actually that applies to doing almost anything | 22:30 |
| mornfall | nope... nit even on wifi | 22:30 |
| ShadowJK | I think 500M/month would be sufficient for me, in a foreign country, if I had offline maps :P | 22:30 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: it is pretty hard when you're used to just have internet more or less wherever you are, without having to think about data volumes | 22:31 |
| Nightmare__ | why do you want to use bittorrent on you phone and in another country? | 22:31 |
| Aard | Nightmare__: just an example for high data use. I won't do that while travelling, though | 22:31 |
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| Aard | but I did download movies before while travelling to have something to watch | 22:31 |
| Nightmare__ | i see | 22:32 |
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| dunp | torrentsync is nice | 22:36 |
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| dunp | http://www.bittorrent.com/sync | 22:37 |
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| CvP | hi | 22:37 |
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| esalaka | there we go | 22:51 |
| esalaka | is it common to be unable to access remotely synced contacts from android apps | 22:52 |
| esalaka | if so, what can I do to remedy this issue | 22:53 |
| Yaniel | afaik it is common to not be able to access any contacts from android apps | 22:53 |
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| esalaka | dang | 22:56 |
| esalaka | I'm running exactly one app that just plain refuses to work without contact access. Any workarounds? | 22:56 |
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| Yaniel | make a native port | 22:58 |
| Aard | esalaka: try installing an app like exdialer. it might be that it's one of the apps accessing contacts through an app instead of contacts apis | 22:59 |
| Aard | right now you need to install that kind of app in that case, the next update of the android runtime will contain a defaultapp providing contacts access for those apps | 23:00 |
| esalaka | D'you mean like trying to use a native contact activity or sth | 23:01 |
| esalaka | it certainly seems to do that | 23:01 |
| esalaka | let's see | 23:02 |
| esalaka | I mean, android native | 23:02 |
| esalaka | which wouldn't necessarily exist | 23:02 |
| esalaka | it's viber, by the way. i don't think I mentioned that | 23:02 |
| esalaka | software works in mysterious ways regardless so let's try this | 23:03 |
| Aard | you can get contacts directly from the contacts provider, but many don't do that, and go for contacts intent provided by some app | 23:03 |
| Aard | iirc viber was one of those, yes | 23:03 |
| esalaka | yeah intent, that's what I meant | 23:03 |
| esalaka | not activity | 23:03 |
| esalaka | and does exdialer provide contacts intents, or was it just for testing? | 23:04 |
| esalaka | well! | 23:04 |
| Aard | it's one of the apps providing that intent | 23:04 |
| esalaka | apparently it does | 23:04 |
| esalaka | and it recognises the contacts I've added manually | 23:04 |
| Aard | you can uninstall it after the next alien update | 23:04 |
| esalaka | good, fine, that's all I needed really | 23:04 |
| esalaka | but wait, can I export contacts from jolla | 23:05 |
| Aard | depends on how you want to | 23:06 |
| esalaka | oh, I can just email myself a vcf | 23:06 |
| esalaka | that works | 23:06 |
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| esalaka | android seems to be not working w/ remote contacts regardless so I need to import one | 23:06 |
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| Aard | yes, android only makes local contacts available | 23:06 |
| Aard | it's a legal thing | 23:06 |
| esalaka | Re Google and Android? | 23:07 |
| esalaka | but yeah that makes sense | 23:07 |
| esalaka | it's just weird that the imported contacts don't, y'know, become local contacts | 23:07 |
| Aard | imported how? | 23:08 |
| esalaka | like, synced | 23:08 |
| esalaka | okay there we go, thanks for the help. | 23:09 |
| Aard | if you sync it from a service the contacts are subject to the TOS of that service. which can mean that they're not really your contacts anymore | 23:09 |
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| esalaka | think I'll stick around here, though | 23:09 |
| esalaka | yeah I'm fairly sure Google owns me by now | 23:09 |
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| Aard | we're working on ways to differentiate between contacts from services which allow additional use of contacts, and those who don't. but until that's implemented we need to handle remote contacts like this -- if we don't we risk revocation of api tokens. service providers are unfortunately in the better position there | 23:10 |
| esalaka | Potential legal issues rarely seem reasonable with common sense nowadays | 23:12 |
| esalaka | but that explains it, at least | 23:12 |
| Aard | it makes building a phone a lot more "entertaining" :p | 23:13 |
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| CvP | is it possible to Change the Volumen up if a headset is connected to the phone? | 23:15 |
| CvP | for musik... the maximum is to less for ny sony headset | 23:15 |
| Aard | CvP: not in a supported way | 23:16 |
| Aard | volume levels and that funny warning are part of CE certification | 23:16 |
| CvP | hmm | 23:17 |
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| esalaka | viber doesn't seem to want to use the intent provided by exdialer | 23:19 |
| esalaka | thoroughly unsurprising | 23:19 |
| tanghus | Aard: Re. "if you sync it from a service the contacts are subject to the TOS of that service" what kind of services enforces that? | 23:19 |
| Aard | tanghus: read TOS carefully (which nobody does), and you'll see | 23:20 |
| tanghus | Aard: I know nothing is "as simple as", but when you don't use that kind of "services" it's a major PITA that it hinders legit sync with open protocols. | 23:23 |
| tanghus | And yes, yu're aware of that I know ;) | 23:23 |
| CvP | aarc, but the call volume are very low.. lower than before the last update :( | 23:23 |
| Aard | tanghus: like I said, we're working on making it possible | 23:24 |
| CvP | most of phone are louder | 23:24 |
| Aard | CvP: with headset, or without? | 23:24 |
| CvP | without...with i dont try it, but i try today teamspeak with headset... thats low too.... my ears are okay :) dont worry | 23:25 |
| Aard | CvP: a bit odd, can't see issues there on my phones | 23:27 |
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| esalaka | well, viber isn't happy with this contacts app. guess I'll have to stick with faceless ones for a while still. disappointment | 23:32 |
| esalaka | you'd think several years on android had prepared me for this | 23:32 |
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