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| mornfall | aaand, gesture problem is back | 01:04 |
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| mornfall | definitely related to connection problems | 01:04 |
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| coderus | morning | 06:51 |
| zutto | hmh | 06:52 |
| coderus | any permanent hack for timezone correction for android? | 06:53 |
| zutto | this new job that i got, is literally next to jolla's office, just noticed | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | zutto: oh, where you at? | 06:53 |
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| zutto | i work on accounting company on the building next to jollas building | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 06:55 |
| * jussi is just jumping about waiting for sledges and Stskeeps to hurry up and give me my jolla on N4 :D :D :D | 06:56 | |
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| AL13N | youth these days... too much excited waiting and impatience, not doing enough work themselves | 07:19 |
| ggabriel | exactly! | 07:20 |
| ggabriel | and where is the update? :) | 07:20 |
| AL13N | :-) | 07:22 |
| AL13N | i wonder if it'd be possible to add configurable read-ahead cache to the FS-Cache module | 07:23 |
| ggabriel | i don't think the jolla has enough ram for that tbh | 07:23 |
| AL13N | it should be possible to read-ahead blocks of the same file | 07:23 |
| ggabriel | do you need to reboot to configure that? or is it a runtime thing? | 07:23 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: the FS-Cache module is a kernel module for caching, where you use local disk space | 07:23 |
| AL13N | ie: the µSD for example | 07:24 |
| ggabriel | so you reload | 07:24 |
| AL13N | i had some people build me some kernel modules | 07:24 |
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| AL13N | and i build the user space on my build chroot on my jolla | 07:24 |
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| AL13N | i don't need to reboot | 07:24 |
| AL13N | FS-Cache generally works on netfs filesystems | 07:25 |
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| ggabriel | i guess it's a good idea depending on the use | 07:25 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: so, the idea is that you cache locally some blocks of the network mounts | 07:25 |
| ggabriel | my point is that you don't have much memory if you have 9-10 applications open | 07:25 |
| ggabriel | not at this point at least | 07:25 |
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| AL13N | my thinking is, if you configure read-ahead cache, if you're viewing a movie over NFS, you could still watch it for some time when network goes down | 07:26 |
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| AL13N | ggabriel: ic your point, but FS-cache is cache on filesystems | 07:26 |
| AL13N | not on memory | 07:26 |
| ggabriel | oh, right | 07:26 |
| ggabriel | cool | 07:26 |
| ggabriel | i'd just copy the film :D | 07:27 |
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| AL13N | i'm gonna go ask the fscache/nfs module people | 07:27 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: i have at home an NFS with lotsa stuff | 07:27 |
| AL13N | i don't want to wait until it's transferred to watch a movie | 07:27 |
| ggabriel | yeah, fair enough | 07:27 |
| ggabriel | not my use case anyway | 07:28 |
| ggabriel | i have that, but i use the projector to watch stuf | 07:28 |
| ggabriel | +f | 07:28 |
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| AL13N | this is for when i'm in bed or something | 07:28 |
| AL13N | of course, i still need to get earphones | 07:28 |
| ggabriel | hehe | 07:28 |
| AL13N | and get xvid gstreamer plugin | 07:28 |
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| Sailor_tawent | cool the irc software works! | 07:41 |
| jussi | good news | 07:43 |
| jussi | AL13N: I love it that you called me "youth" :) | 07:44 |
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| gabriel9|work | anyone updated bash on sailfish? | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | no, we're at an ancient done due to gplv3 | 09:53 |
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| teve | do you mean https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/bash ? | 09:54 |
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| gabriel9|work | should i trust that repo? | 09:55 |
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| gabriel9|work | i dont see source, maybe i should build it myself... | 09:56 |
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| gabriel9|work | Stskeeps: can i build it on mer OBS? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 09:58 |
| gabriel9|work | i sue arch and it pain to build rpm... | 09:58 |
| gabriel9|work | use* | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo_work | ohai | 09:58 |
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| TheBootroo_work | still no LTE in the 1.0 update ? | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo_work | or maybe at least MUCH better 3G ? | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | what update? :) | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: hehe | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | nobody knows | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo_work | unicorn one ? | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | the unicorn! | 09:59 |
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| TheBootroo_work | ggabriel: the one that will turn any boring white TOH into rainbow farting colored TOH | 10:00 |
| TheBootroo_work | XD | 10:00 |
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| ggabriel | i need a black other half so that I can stick my apple sticker | 10:00 |
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| gabriel9|work | :D | 10:01 |
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| TheBootroo_work | \o/ | 10:02 |
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| suy | Stskeeps: you can't ship GPLv3 code on sailfish? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | suy: policy | 10:48 |
| CoderCandy | ggabriel: apple TOH? | 10:49 |
| CoderCandy | Now with extra locking features, such as; no developer mode | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | CoderCandy: custom apple toh | 10:49 |
| CoderCandy | And a paid license in order to develop and distribute apps. | 10:50 |
| suy | Stskeeps: company policy I assume? wow. but is that bad? I thought only free software-unfriendly companies had trouble with that. | 10:50 |
| Tegu | or apple TOH could be an entire iPhone | 10:50 |
| CoderCandy | Tegu: hehe, iPhone case TOH | 10:51 |
| CoderCandy | So you can attach your iPhone to your Jolla. | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | suy: i'm on fingerterm atm but lets talk in detail when i am home | 10:51 |
| suy | Stskeeps: ok, no worries :) just surprised. Thanks. | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | an iphone other hand is useful as the iphone is heavier than the jolla, so when you drop the phone, it will always land on the iphone side | 10:52 |
| CoderCandy | That's true! | 10:53 |
| suosaaski | are you sure that the iphone is heavier? | 10:53 |
| suosaaski | ;) | 10:53 |
| CoderCandy | Like a meat, err, phoneshield! | 10:53 |
| suosaaski | Jolla is like 140+g | 10:53 |
| CoderCandy | About the weight of an orange. | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: yeah | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | iphone 4 at least | 10:54 |
| suosaaski | iphone is 112g | 10:54 |
| suosaaski | (iphone 5/5s, that is) | 10:54 |
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| CoderCandy | suosaaski: you could use an iPad | 10:54 |
| suosaaski | 4s is 140g, 4 is 137g | 10:54 |
| CoderCandy | iPad TOH | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | 4 is def heavier | 10:54 |
| kimmoli | attaching apple to jolla is like parking too close to a .. ford | 10:55 |
| suosaaski | 4 is 137g according to gsmarena, jolla is 141g | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | gsmarena... | 10:55 |
| CoderCandy | kimmoli: or running hackintosh on a virtual machine on linux running on a mac? | 10:56 |
| tbr | just strap a cat or a buttered sandwich to the back, that will make it land on the right side | 10:56 |
| joonahoi_ | CoderCandy: I actually used to run OS X on linux on mac back in the ppc days ;) | 10:57 |
| CoderCandy | joonahoi_: lol | 10:58 |
| joonahoi_ | http://joona.fclose.org/ubuntu-powerbook/ the old setup details are still there | 10:58 |
| AL13N_work | how about a airbag TOH ? | 10:59 |
| AL13N_work | or parachute TOH | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | rocket/jet TOH and goes back to my pocket | 11:00 |
| kimmoli | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2518898/Honda-creates-Case-N-device-gives-phone-soft-landing-dropped.html | 11:00 |
| AL13N_work | quadcopter TOH | 11:00 |
| AL13N_work | it doesn't fall to begin with | 11:00 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: well, jollas website also says 141g, and apples website also says 140g for 4s, just as gsmarena. | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: the iphone is more compact, it should fall quicker ;) | 11:01 |
| suosaaski | :) | 11:01 |
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| suosaaski | if you have both phones in your hand, the iphone might feel heavier cause it is smaller. Mind playing tricks or something :) | 11:02 |
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| CoderCandy | Also, iPhones works like buttered bread | 11:07 |
| CoderCandy | It always falls in ways that cracks its screen | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | well, i dropped mine a few times | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | had it for almost 3 years | 11:08 |
| suosaaski | CoderCandy: that might be a problem with iphone 4/4s, glass is on both sides, so it might actually drop jolla-side down. | 11:08 |
| CoderCandy | Aww | 11:08 |
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| ggabriel | glass on both sides... genius | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | purple lens protectoin... genius | 11:09 |
| suosaaski | indeed | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | what do you know, my 4's lens protector is madly scratched | 11:10 |
| suosaaski | to be honest, the only way to reproduce that purple effect on my iphone5 has been to do it on purpose, against sun and at a certain angle, and it still was not that bad actually. | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | and the n9's looks untouched *shrug* | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | yeah, but still... | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | would you buy a camera with that "feature"? | 11:10 |
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| ggabriel | speaking of cameras, the jolla took a nice pic indoors and with flash the other day | 11:11 |
| suosaaski | depends, it still takes far better pictures than for example N9 did. | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | quite coloury tho, but you can't have everything | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: so you would buy a nikon's lens that can potentially add purple to your pictures? | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | or would you rather go for a normal one (transparent elements)? | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | just for scratch free's sake | 11:12 |
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| ggabriel | and I bet I can scratch it anyway | 11:13 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: no, but that is a completely different thing. Would you buy a nikon lens that adds blur to your pictures? or grain? or whatever? mobile cameras are pretty much a compromise, no matter what the camera. | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: agree, altho nokia has done a lot of nice things camera wise | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | the n9's camera is quite old in comparison to the technology that apple uses now | 11:14 |
| suosaaski | Yes, it has. But then you buy a Lumia 1020 and realize that there is a 3-4 sec delay between taking pictures, and realize that it is no good for taking any sort of action photos... | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | also, grain doens't depend on the lens, that's a sensor/illumination problem | 11:14 |
| suosaaski | so the 1020 is again a compromise. Just in different areas. | 11:15 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: well, then change "lens" to "camera" :) | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | :P | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | true about delay, didn't try any lumia tbh | 11:15 |
| suosaaski | the point is, no mobile phone has a perfect camera. | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | the jolla has a slight delay, but it's still pretty quick | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | the n9 is still faster tho | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | which is cool | 11:15 |
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| ggabriel | the iphone 4 is ok-ish | 11:16 |
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| ggabriel | htc j = omg, kill me now kind of delay :P | 11:16 |
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| suosaaski | That delay is very disappointing. If you are waiting for your kid to blow the candles on his/her birthday cake, press too early, and then wait 4 secs to take a new pic... well... missed it. | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: ok, get an slr for those things, you won't regret it | 11:17 |
| stephg | ^video! | 11:17 |
| suosaaski | I have a dslr... but I never use it, as I tend to carry my phone with me but not my dslr. | 11:17 |
| suosaaski | stephg: then the video is not as high quality as you might want with that 41Mpix thing you just bought :) | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | yeah, dslr can do video too | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | or a gopro | 11:18 |
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| ggabriel | editing is a pain tho | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | i understand that it's more practical with a camera phone | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | but you _always_ have a delay | 11:18 |
| suosaaski | As said, they are always a compromise. It is up to the buyer/user to decide which compromise they can live with :) | 11:18 |
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| ggabriel | you could fix this by software | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | at the expense of battery drain | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | just start taking snapshots and the button is just the closest snapshot | 11:19 |
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| ggabriel | tricky with flash tho | 11:19 |
| suosaaski | well, for example, iphone 5s takes 10 pics / sec, but the pics are not as accurate as lumia 1020s 1pic/4sec :) | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | 4secs sounds too much | 11:20 |
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| ggabriel | get a gopro :D | 11:21 |
| suosaaski | http://forums.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-1020/242479-lumia-1020-shot-lag-time.html | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | it can take up to 30 pics/sec | 11:21 |
| suosaaski | then I would have to carry it around... :) | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | and the quality is astonishing | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | it's very small | 11:21 |
| suosaaski | but annoying to carry extra stuff :) | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | a gopro toh | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | that i can live with | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | and it's totally feasible | 11:22 |
| suosaaski | I carry just my phone, unless I am specifically going somewhere to take photos, in which case I take my dslr | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | suy: okay, so, gplv3.. | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | suy: you have to understand that while we're a fairly friendly phone maker; we're also a platform maker (sailfishos) and while we believe strongly in a lot of things, our licensees of the platform might not necessarily | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | suy: and being an up and comer platform you don't want to close too many doors | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | if you'd like to have gplv3 components on your device, you're more than welcome to install them yourself, nothing's blocking it | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | the alternative was either to stick to gplv2 components (which, fwiw, is a pain in the ass) or switch to busybox, which would just make everybody unhappy.. | 11:35 |
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| pp | freebsd userland! | 11:37 |
| * pp runs | 11:37 | |
| Stskeeps | or toolbox.. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
| suosaaski | I wonder what chances there would be on installing sailfish on a lenovo a1000l tablet... | 11:38 |
| suy | Stskeeps: OK, I understand. | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: what SoC is that? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | suy: there's some other funky issues about patents and such but i also feel a bit that gplv3 hurt open source more than it improved matters.. | 11:39 |
| suosaaski | some mediatek thingy... | 11:39 |
| pp | thankfully gplv2+ is a valid license :-) | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: got kernel source? | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | and what MTxxxx | 11:40 |
| suosaaski | http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/ideatab/a-series/a1000/#techspecs | 11:40 |
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| suy | Well, eglibc seems LGPL >=2 still | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | 8317 .. that's a new one | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | suosaaski: high, but would require grease work | 11:41 |
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| suosaaski | great, let me know when it's done! o_O :D (just kidding :)) | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | mediatek is blessed in the sense that it uses a fairly default android 4.1.1 baseline | 11:42 |
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| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: wait, what? Default? Mediatek android is hacked up to hell | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: yes, but not the parts i'm interested in | 11:52 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: gralloc_extra? :/ | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | not interested in that for libhybris | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | only ones i'm truly interested in is bionic, libcutils and rebuilding libEGL | 11:52 |
| RaYmAn | doesn't it still use gralloc and stuff? | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but they seem to stick to normal HAL .h's | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | at least on mt658 | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | 9 | 11:53 |
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| * tbr ponders how sailfish would fare on the archos phones :) | 11:54 | |
| Stskeeps | tbr: it won't make them waterproof. | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRl47PrzWHs | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| Quu | poot | 11:55 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: that one was awesome :) | 11:55 |
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| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: some of it might be hwcomposer related, but: https://gerrit.omnirom.org/#/q/status:open+topic:mt6589,n,z - and that's just to get it running. | 11:56 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 11:56 | |
| RaYmAn | They seem ok at a glance, but when you actually try to get shit running, they fail you :P | 11:56 |
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| RaYmAn | I know there's work being done to pressure mediatek into writing sane code, but obivously that won't happen quickly | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hwcomposer is the only one i would grimace a bit at | 11:58 |
| RaYmAn | There's also a few devices that needs to be mknod'ed on boot since they implemented the drivers poorly | 11:58 |
| RaYmAn | I find it almost humorous that they added their own custom, closed source log system 'xlog' | 11:59 |
| RaYmAn | (Even in the OEM BSP's it's provided as a .o or .a) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's the age of throwaway code.. | 12:00 |
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| RaYmAn | true enough. You just quickly grow to hate mediatek with a passion after working with their code for more than a day or two :P | 12:05 |
| Aard | win 228 | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: probably yes | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: i'm looking at my dream of becoming a farmer on the mountains of romania at times when understanding what actually runs our phones today | 12:06 |
| RaYmAn | lol | 12:06 |
| gabriel9|work | i started with beekeeping | 12:08 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: I used to think about becoming a farmer in south of France back when I worked on desktop stuff. :P | 12:24 |
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| Quu | Aard: thats a lot of windows | 12:34 |
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| clau2 | Stskeeps: so you still dream about Romania :) | 12:41 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: I know a farmer in the south of france whom I would not trust with even handing him a device with batteries... | 12:53 |
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| chem|st | I found a device noone would ever think about porting sfos to... siemens gigaset sl930... | 12:55 |
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| kimmoli | landline telephone ?? | 12:56 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: yeah a voip/dect/gap whatever phone | 12:56 |
| chem|st | with android | 12:56 |
| kimmoli | ooo answering machine app | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | the answering machine is integrated with the station | 12:57 |
| chem|st | I have a s675a ip and no more traditional landline for about 7 years now | 12:58 |
| chem|st | so I am actually thinking of donating mine to my grandma and buy a sl930a | 12:59 |
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| chem|st | for now I ordered a headset and will make my tablet my station but if that does not work out I need an alternative | 12:59 |
| chem|st | so I found the sl930 but it has android... | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | I think it is having the station only for traditional landline and the AM | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | wtf no BT... | 13:03 |
| chem|st | anyone else an idea, as long as Jolla has no SIP I am forced to use my tablet... (also android) | 13:04 |
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| mornfall | chem|st: I hear you can dial SIP addresses from the command line | 16:00 |
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| sharpneli | Nice. My Jolla alarm clock decided to be completely silent | 16:11 |
| sharpneli | I overslept due to it. Now it just buzzez the vibra and doesn't play any sounds | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | oh, the no sound bug | 16:11 |
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| sharpneli | I also wonder how many phone calls I've missed | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | no missed calls? | 16:14 |
| sharpneli | Someone tried to call me when my phone was on my hand -> unable to be reached. I was able to call him and after that he was able to call me back | 16:14 |
| sharpneli | Even reboot doesn't restore the alarm clock sounds :( | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | battery trick? | 16:16 |
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| sharpneli | Didn't help | 16:19 |
| sharpneli | Well it played the sound for like 1 second then went silent again | 16:19 |
| flanag | has there been even any suspicion about what might cause that bug? sounds really annoying | 16:20 |
| Pnuu | many sounds are | 16:20 |
| Pnuu | ..I'll get mi coat | 16:21 |
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| ggabriel | Pnuu: it's funny because it's true | 16:21 |
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| flanag | btw, has there been any progress on solving the "waking up to a black screen" bug? | 16:22 |
| sharpneli | Funnily enough it also decided to eat 60% of the battery today. | 16:22 |
| flanag | connection loop? | 16:22 |
| sharpneli | Usually it takes like 30%. Might be related? | 16:22 |
| flanag | do you know if it was at some point doing the connection problem loop? I've heard that some people have had that happen while the phone is in their pocket and that has consumed a lot of battery | 16:24 |
| flanag | might also be related to the sound bug, but I know nothing about that | 16:24 |
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| sharpneli | I cannot seem to be able to even start pulseaudio anymore :O | 16:27 |
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| sharpneli | Yeah it seems to be related. It sucks battery like no tomorrow. But for some reason the CPU is idle so it's something else sucking it | 16:33 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: with audio sinks swapped you may even make a call | 16:34 |
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| chem|st | flanag: do you mean waking up in the morning with your device off or a black but lit screen? | 16:36 |
| flanag | a black but lit screen | 16:37 |
| flanag | I just wrote that weirdly | 16:37 |
| chem|st | that is something is hogging the device and the only thing getting through is "turn the light on" | 16:37 |
| flanag | I had that happen at least five times today when I just took my Jolla out of my pocket to check the clock.. but after I closed the browser from background it hasn't happened again today | 16:38 |
| flanag | check the time* | 16:38 |
| chem|st | happens to me quiet often when in dodgy reception | 16:38 |
| flanag | oh, so it's about reception | 16:38 |
| flanag | as I was in an area with bad reception | 16:38 |
| flanag | so that sounds like a good explanation | 16:39 |
| FireFly | So um, about that update... | 16:39 |
| FireFly | Still scheduled for this week? | 16:39 |
| flanag | yeaha | 16:39 |
| flanag | *yeah | 16:39 |
| FireFly | Okay | 16:39 |
| chem|st | if your device is on, lit and displys something it is becoming unusable for a couple of seconds | 16:39 |
| sharpneli | What part handles pulseaudio? I was unable to find it under systemd | 16:39 |
| chem|st | if your display is off, you get a lit screen | 16:39 |
| chem|st | sharpneli: pulseaudio | 16:40 |
| sharpneli | chem|st: What starts it? | 16:40 |
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| sharpneli | http://pastebin.com/WJTn8uEH This is pulseaudio log | 16:46 |
| sharpneli | I managed to launch the daemon with logging enabled | 16:46 |
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| FireFly | >.> | 16:50 |
| FireFly | spontaneous reboot just as I finish typing my comment for an app in the store | 16:50 |
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| flanag | yeah.. I have been suffering from that too | 16:51 |
| FireFly | I'm even at home, on wifi and everything | 16:51 |
| flanag | you should test if your sim is easily disconnected by (very gently) pushing on the sim bracket (take the other half off) | 16:51 |
| FireFly | earlier reboots for me have been while on the train, i.e. bad reception seems likely | 16:52 |
| flanag | I still suspect that the sim bracket problem is causing those | 16:52 |
| FireFly | Hm | 16:52 |
| FireFly | Doesn't seem to do anything, so probably not the cause | 16:52 |
| FireFly | I'm also using a stock micro-sim FWIW | 16:53 |
| FireFly | i.e. haven't cut it myself | 16:53 |
| flanag | so you took the other half off and touched the sim card? | 16:53 |
| FireFly | Yes | 16:53 |
| flanag | I haven't cut it myself either | 16:53 |
| flanag | so hmm, maybe those restarts aren't connected to that problem after all.. that's a relief for me | 16:53 |
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| flanag | have you ever lost the connection to the sim? (the phone asks for pin) | 16:54 |
| FireFly | Not without a reboot, no | 16:54 |
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| sharpneli | And now I lost call sounds too and even battery reboot didn't fix it :D | 16:54 |
| sharpneli | Oh my god this device is disintegrating rapidly | 16:54 |
| flanag | what do you mean by "not without a reboot, no"? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: that does not sound good | 16:55 |
| FireFly | Well | 16:55 |
| flanag | so you have never picked your Jolla from the pocket and had it ask for pin? | 16:55 |
| FireFly | Once or maybe twice I've felt a vibration indicating a reboot, and then when I pick it up it asks for pin | 16:55 |
| FireFly | (I *think* that's the vibration I've noticed at least..) | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: try switch ambiences? | 16:56 |
| FireFly | or does it vibrate even if it only lost connection with the sim? | 16:56 |
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| flanag | I think it vibrates when booting up | 16:56 |
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| FireFly | Also notable, I never had any issues pre-1.0.3.8, so I still believe this reboot thing is a regression introduced in that update | 16:57 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Didn't restore system sounds | 16:57 |
| FireFly | Or rather, that's what it seems like from my use | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: if you still have the problem tomorrow, i can put you in touch with our PA guy | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | just outside work hours atm | 16:58 |
| flanag | FireFly: same situation here, no problems (none at all) before the update | 16:58 |
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| flanag | btw, what's a PA guy? I tried google already, so don't suggest that :) | 17:00 |
| ruskie | pulseaudio guy hehe | 17:00 |
| flanag | ah | 17:00 |
| flanag | it was that simple | 17:00 |
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| sharpneli | I'll attempt factory reset. I hope it recognizes the backups I have on PC | 17:16 |
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| the_scourge | are there binary modules required for functionality on the jolla? | 17:19 |
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| the_scourge | i need to get my company a bunch of phones but i have some pretty tight requirements and i think i'm going to be waiting for the neo900... | 17:20 |
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| ggabriel | the_scourge: define "binary modules" | 17:25 |
| sharpneli | Ok. I cannot factory reset :D | 17:26 |
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| sharpneli | The dialog freezes after I press accept and remains there | 17:26 |
| sharpneli | It does nothing on background | 17:26 |
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| Venemo_j | hm | 17:37 |
| Venemo_j | is LTE also gonna be enabled in the march update? | 17:38 |
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| Venemo_j | it just occoured to me that march is the last month in Q1 2014 | 17:38 |
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| flanag | did they say that LTE would be released in Q1 2014? | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | nobody knows :P | 17:41 |
| Nicd- | flanag: yes, they did at some point | 17:41 |
| flanag | I was just asking because Venemo_j said like they have promised it for Q1 | 17:42 |
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| Venemo_j | yes they did | 17:42 |
| flanag | now I found this: "There's no public ETA for LTE yet but all I can say that some new features will start shipping at Q1. It might or might not include LTE depending how mature is the feature seen for the public release. tigeli ( 2013-12-26 01:53:42 +0200 )" | 17:42 |
| Venemo_j | of course, by now everyone forgot it and will deny any such promisd | 17:42 |
| Venemo_j | yeah | 17:42 |
| flanag | but that's from 26.12.2013 | 17:43 |
| Venemo_j | in december it was “LTE's coming in Q1 2014” | 17:43 |
| Venemo_j | so now Q1 is almost over | 17:43 |
| flanag | well, we can only wait :/ | 17:43 |
| ggabriel | they'll still do regular updates anyway | 17:44 |
| flanag | yeah | 17:44 |
| ggabriel | more pressing things before lte tho | 17:45 |
| ggabriel | imo | 17:45 |
| flanag | yeah, I agree with that | 17:45 |
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| flanag | these serious bugs should be solved as soon as possible | 17:45 |
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| ggabriel | that and some other missing features | 17:45 |
| sharpneli | Finally managed to perform a factory reset. It seems to have solved the sound issue for now | 17:45 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: good to hear, sad it had to be a factory reset :S | 17:45 |
| flanag | how you solved the problem with the factory reset? | 17:45 |
| flanag | would be nice to know for future if I end up in a similar situation | 17:46 |
| flanag | (as you said it got stuck there) | 17:46 |
| sharpneli | flanag: Waited for ages, then just shut my device down -> it reseted | 17:47 |
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| sharpneli | It seems the factory reset is done at startup | 17:47 |
| sharpneli | And it had just failed to automatically boot the device | 17:47 |
| flanag | ah ok | 17:47 |
| flanag | I wonder why that happened | 17:47 |
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| Venemo_j | ggabriel: they'll still do regular updates? | 17:56 |
| ggabriel | that's what they say, yeah | 17:56 |
| ggabriel | well, that's what *I* understand from the page | 17:57 |
| Venemo_j | sure | 17:57 |
| ggabriel | sailfish is no onger in beta in jolla.com | 17:57 |
| ggabriel | and yet it still says "regular updates" | 17:57 |
| ggabriel | so... | 17:57 |
| Venemo_j | last update was 1.5 months ago now | 17:57 |
| Venemo_j | anyway | 17:57 |
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| Venemo_j | I just want a usable browser and email client | 17:57 |
| Venemo_j | BBL | 17:58 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo_j: fwiw, lots of email client fixes under the tag mar14 | 17:59 |
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| Timo | Finally copy/paste then? | 18:00 |
| ggabriel | i honestly skimmed through the list, feel free to check it | 18:02 |
| Timo | And native input fields in the browser would be nice as well. | 18:02 |
| ggabriel | not sure what you mean | 18:04 |
| ggabriel | is there a tjc for that? | 18:04 |
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| Acce | he means that it would be nice if there was proper text editing in browser input fields | 18:05 |
| Acce | now you can resize the fields, properly scroll the text or anything | 18:05 |
| ggabriel | ok | 18:05 |
| ggabriel | i may have seen the tjc in the past | 18:05 |
| Acce | yeah, me too | 18:06 |
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| Acce | it was more like "make the browser better, now!", but the input was also mentioned | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.unclesgames.com/images/products/23717_big.jpg is basically how it looks like in our release and irc discussions; we're working very hard to push the release :P | 18:08 |
| Acce | it might have been better for Jolla to have a "closed" beta.. and say the phone comes out in 2015 | 18:08 |
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| Acce | then all the impatient guys who want everything now would be gone, maybe :) | 18:08 |
| * ggabriel wonders what the elephant represents | 18:09 | |
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| ggabriel | harmattan's mail client hangs rarely | 18:10 |
| Acce | there most be something gigantic coming in the next release | 18:10 |
| ggabriel | can that be fixed to!!!! | 18:10 |
| Acce | ggabriel: even I can fix that, if you show me the code | 18:10 |
| ggabriel | hehe | 18:11 |
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| Aard | Venemo_j: we're catching up on the resource drain caused by mwc, that screwed a bit with release schedule | 18:18 |
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| ggabriel | truesay | 18:20 |
| Acce | yesterday was Truesday | 18:20 |
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| chem|st | Acce: I totally agree | 18:22 |
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| Quu | Acce: i disagree | 18:23 |
| chem|st | Acce: otoh you get all this fun with $users who think they are tech savvy | 18:23 |
| Quu | yesterday was tomorrow | 18:23 |
| ggabriel | i used to have a manager who said he was tech savvy | 18:23 |
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| ggabriel | when you start needing to explain what you are | 18:23 |
| ggabriel | you probably aren't that :P | 18:23 |
| sharpneli | Ok. I factory reseted. Installed both the updates. It worked for like 10 minutes and now I don't have sounds anymore again | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: ugh | 18:24 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: lol | 18:24 |
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| ggabriel | sharpneli: :( | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: any chance you can poke in working hours tomorrow? | 18:24 |
| chem|st | sharpneli: put it aside, wait for the upgrade if it is still there afterwards call care | 18:25 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: I'll be available. PA guy comes to irc? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: yeah i'll make him prod you | 18:27 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Did you update pulseaudio recently? | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm i don't know | 18:31 |
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| sharpneli | I made a backup of the latest pulseaudio confs and I'm resetting the device again and then I'll run a diff from the older version | 18:38 |
| sharpneli | The conf files are dated 27.1 this year so I'd kinda guess something happened on that update | 18:39 |
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| ggabriel | ugh, was going to offer what mine says but don't have the phone with me :P | 18:40 |
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| FireFly | sharpneli: hm, is 1.0.2.5 old enough, you think? | 18:42 |
| ggabriel | that's def not 27-jan :) | 18:43 |
| sharpneli | FireFly: Should be. But I reseted it already | 18:44 |
| FireFly | Oh, okay | 18:44 |
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| sharpneli | The sounds didn't work after reset | 18:46 |
| sharpneli | But reset + battery trick during the reboot did fix them | 18:46 |
| ggabriel | i'm actually scared of removing the battery just in case :P | 18:47 |
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| McCloud_1983 | hello | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 18:55 |
| McCloud_1983 | jolla+syncevolution+gmail=url? | 18:55 |
| McCloud_1983 | it confuses me multiple urls to insert | 18:56 |
| sharpneli | This reset failed coz it crashed on dev mode enabling | 18:57 |
| sharpneli | *sigh* | 18:57 |
| sharpneli | I so want a real image instead of hope for the best reset mode | 18:57 |
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| Venemo_j | ggabriel: nice to hear | 19:01 |
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| sharpneli | pulseaudio-4.0-1.4.1.armv7hl on this update | 19:06 |
| sharpneli | The 1.0.38 had 5.0-git+whatnotstuff | 19:06 |
| sharpneli | This is the stock 1.0.5 | 19:07 |
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| ortylp | hi, who is going to CLT this weekend? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | clt? | 19:14 |
| ortylp | http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/ | 19:15 |
| sharpneli | Ok. Nothing weird on /etc/pulse/ files. Just some simple config changes. | 19:15 |
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| FireFly | sharpneli: what was the issue with PA btw? | 19:19 |
| FireFly | or is I suppose | 19:19 |
| sharpneli | No idea yet. I just have a hunch that it's the culprit | 19:19 |
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| sharpneli | https://together.jolla.com/question/18487/nearly-no-sound-at-all/ It can also have something to do with this | 19:20 |
| sharpneli | I do not know if the sound is off or just almost muted | 19:20 |
| sharpneli | "played my ringtone for testing, after 2sec sound disappeared again" sounds just what I'm experiencing now | 19:21 |
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| ortylp | Stskeeps: is there a chance for the update until Friday, so that I could show current Jolla to interested Linux geeks at CLT? As for me in day to day use it still cannot beat SG Note 3 with CM :( | 19:24 |
| starkers | oooh Sailfish ported to nexus 4!? | 19:26 |
| * starkers gets all excited | 19:26 | |
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| sharpneli | Yeah I'm unable to get my sounds to bug at Maadjärvi | 19:29 |
| sharpneli | Incidentally it also uses pulseaudio 4 and not the 5 | 19:29 |
| starkers | so the only issue with the port is audio? | 19:30 |
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| flanag | if I have understood correctly, he's not talking about the Nexus 4 | 19:31 |
| sharpneli | I'm talking about Jolla | 19:32 |
| flanag | who even said anything about the Nexus 4 (apart from starkers)? | 19:32 |
| starkers | Just me, over excited lol | 19:32 |
| flanag | yeah, seems so :) | 19:33 |
| sharpneli | This kinda explains it. Pulseaudio 5.0 was released on 3.3.2014, so the version in Jolla currently is unstable release :E | 19:33 |
| starkers | have my phone to genjix as he codes better but I miss Sailfish, buying another phone now so I can repurpose my mako | 19:33 |
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| sharpneli | Can someone with the latest update check what is the exact version of pulseaudio? Just run pkcon search name pulse and paste the line corresponding to installed pulseaudio | 19:38 |
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| coderus | pulseaudio-4.0+git5-1.2.1.armv7hl | 19:43 |
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| sharpneli | Thanks | 19:43 |
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| sledges | pulseaudio4 works fine on nexus4 | 19:50 |
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| * Morpog_PC checks https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 19:51 | |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, back to work :D | 19:51 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC: is this how you promote co-creation? :D | 19:53 |
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| Morpog_PC | sure sledges it works since stone age, one has to use the whip ;) | 19:55 |
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| sledges | :D | 19:55 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: nemo mobile icon set, now! :D | 19:57 |
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| Morpog_PC | I got that other dude doing it already :D | 19:57 |
| Morpog_PC | See, it works ;) | 19:57 |
| sledges | but they will have to be unified ;P now they are coming from at least 3 different designers, is like using 3 fonts in same paragaph ;P but im sure you guys will pull this off | 19:58 |
| Morpog_PC | well, hopefully :D | 19:58 |
| Morpog_PC | if not we redoe them again and again and again | 19:59 |
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| Morpog_PC | but atm I'm still too much addicted to SailfishOS | 19:59 |
| Morpog_PC | Nemo has to wait | 19:59 |
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| chem|st | wohoo | 19:59 |
| * Morpog_PC needs 48h days | 20:00 | |
| sledges | tell me about it | 20:00 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: you need less work | 20:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | sure, I just need to find someone who earns the money for me :D | 20:00 |
| * Morpog_PC looks out for his leather whip | 20:01 | |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC: i thought you sorted that already :D | 20:01 |
| * Morpog_PC just realized sledges is doing his hobby as job now | 20:02 | |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: i will transfer the regular payment to you tomorrow as scheduled *g* | 20:03 |
| bencoh | :] | 20:03 |
| nickg__ | hi all. I started using a blue/green other half a week ago, and ever since my phone frequently reboots when I answer a phone call or am in the middle of a phone call. Also it often gets stuck in a reboot loop, or will just reboot itself when it's left on it's own. Any ideas what I can do about it? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: s/job/slavery/g | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | nickg__: power off device, pull battery for 10 minutes | 20:04 |
| sledges | you see Morpog_PC , whip has been re-invented long time before in jolla :) | 20:04 |
| * Morpog_PC makes room in his bank account for the flood of money coming in | 20:04 | |
| Morpog_PC | hehe | 20:04 |
| tigeli | flanag: the paste says that new features start shipping in Q1, and it does not say if LTE is included during Q1. | 20:04 |
| nickg__ | Stskeeps: yeah, I've done that but the problem comes back again soon after. Also, it's hard to do that when you're standing in a train carriage full of commuters | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | nickg__: yeah :/ | 20:05 |
| nickg__ | when's the next update? I wish they were more frequent | 20:05 |
| sledges | nickg__: tried popping the white half back on? (i still don't think that's related) | 20:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | nickg__, it's rumoured for next friday | 20:05 |
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| tigeli | I has a rumour | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | in another timeline, the release is already out | 20:06 |
| flanag | tigeli: that was exactly my point | 20:06 |
| nickg__ | sledges, i'm going to check I've got the OH service disabled, and might try the white OH again | 20:06 |
| flanag | tigeli: I wasn't saying that LTE was promised to come | 20:06 |
| flanag | I was saying that it _wasn't_ promised to come | 20:07 |
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| Morpog_PC | who needs LTE anyway? | 20:07 |
| tigeli | flanag: yeah.. but some people tend to read it so :D | 20:07 |
| nickg__ | also, has anyone noticed that the OHs become a bit flexible and creaky after they've been taken on and off a couple of times? | 20:08 |
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| nickg__ | it happened to my white OH but I thought that was just where it had been stretched due to wads of tin foil | 20:08 |
| tigeli | nickg__: few have said so | 20:08 |
| flanag | mine was always creaky | 20:09 |
| tigeli | but I have not made research about it ;) | 20:09 |
| nickg__ | hopefully once they fix these reboot bugs we won't have to take the OHs off twice a day, and they won't start creaking | 20:11 |
| Acce | LTE = Little Too Expensive | 20:12 |
| flanag | true | 20:13 |
| * chem|st is stroking his miner and looks thoughtful to Morpog_PC | 20:13 | |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 20:14 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: I think a whip has no effect on it, well stroking does not as well but I might try to pet it some day drunk^^ | 20:14 |
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| chem|st | Acce: LTE = much more than I have at home and that I do not even need most of the time | 20:19 |
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| chem|st | for most things are 300kb/s fair... or are you streaming bluerays | 20:21 |
| chem|st | nickg__: my sisters broke | 20:23 |
| Acce | yeah, I just browse web and occasionally watch sh*t-quality youtube videos, I don't see much use for LTE | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | latency is fixed > lte > hspa > hsdpa > 3g > edge > gprs | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | and latency matters alot for websurf | 20:23 |
| Acce | have you guys heard of the pCell hype? | 20:23 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: latency does not matter at all for websurf | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | It seems like the biggest contrinutor to webpage loading times | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | contributor* | 20:24 |
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| chem|st | voip and games are the onlything latency is getting relevant | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | I mean, on fibre internets the difference in page load time on talk.maemo.org was dramatical when it moved from US server to EU server ;) | 20:26 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: it adds to the loading time sure but is there a kill you don't get or a phonecall you cannot make? | 20:26 |
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| ShadowJK | actually, most interactive web surf things are pretty annoying on high latency | 20:26 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: us server? | 20:27 |
| ShadowJK | especially on android browsers and sailfish browsers, latency is especially annoyig as you can't use "open in background tab" trick to preload pages while reading something else | 20:27 |
| ShadowJK | chem|st; as I'm in eu, when the tmo server moved from united states to europe, page load time went from couple seconds to about half second per page | 20:28 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: I never recognized any difference | 20:29 |
| flanag | hey btw, has that "open in a background tab" been requested? I think that would be quite simple to implement and I desperately need it (I understand that we may not get actual tabs yet but I just want to open some links to the background so I can check them later) | 20:29 |
| chem|st | flanag: week one by me | 20:30 |
| flanag | well I hope they implement it | 20:30 |
| chem|st | there is not enough ram | 20:30 |
| flanag | hey.. read what I said | 20:30 |
| flanag | "(I understand that we may not get actual tabs yet but I just want to open some links to the background so I can check them later)" | 20:30 |
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| chem|st | they do not preload pages as you would need to cache them out somewhere on the disk instead of actually having them in ram | 20:31 |
| flanag | I know.. | 20:31 |
| flanag | I just want to open the pages to the background (not load) for me to check later | 20:31 |
| chem|st | flanag: ehrm you can open as many links to the packground as you like... that was there since release | 20:31 |
| flanag | aarghh | 20:32 |
| flanag | let me explain | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | firefox/gecko seems to be pretty good at consuming ram | 20:32 |
| flanag | when I am browsing on a forum for example, I want to open some threads and continue browsing down on the page I am currently | 20:32 |
| chem|st | flanag: yes you can do that | 20:32 |
| chem|st | that is what I am saying | 20:32 |
| flanag | well, explain me how | 20:32 |
| chem|st | ah open in background... | 20:32 |
| flanag | what | 20:32 |
| chem|st | ok now I see | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | people whined about "not enough ram", "not enough specs", and other people claimed it'll be fixed in software, or that sailfish doesn't need much, but here we are with not enough ram :) | 20:33 |
| chem|st | I don't use it that much sorry, you can open several tabs but it always loads what you opened last, right? | 20:33 |
| flanag | yeah | 20:33 |
| chem|st | ok | 20:33 |
| chem|st | sry | 20:33 |
| flanag | np | 20:33 |
| flanag | I could of course use Webcat but it just stutters too much when scrolling | 20:34 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: ram is the only thing I would be complaining, but as it is faster than any android phone <400eur I know I am more than happy and reside silent! | 20:34 |
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| chem|st | otoh it is the bad ram management that is preventing gecko from being evolutionary | 20:35 |
| chem|st | the easy fix would be more ram | 20:35 |
| flanag | how much does the browser actually use with a page open? | 20:36 |
| flanag | I think we could have at least two tabs with no problems | 20:36 |
| chem|st | the obvious fix would be to kill all websites that have BS runtimes pushed to your ram | 20:36 |
| chem|st | flanag: I'd guess we could have 20 if none of them is facebook linkedin instagram google etc | 20:37 |
| chem|st | they need ot make up their mind and not relayout the full blown website into a mobile.css | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | gecko seems to keep track of how much individual tabs use | 20:39 |
| chem|st | a friend of mine had massive jscript on his website and I bet I can make all this without risking tomuch bandwidth and without a single line of jscript... took me 4 hours, but it was worth the crate! | 20:40 |
| FireFly | abbreviate it to js instead | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | one massive jscript is much nicer than 200 different css and js though | 20:41 |
| FireFly | er | 20:41 |
| FireFly | or what is 'jscript' here? | 20:41 |
| chem|st | I just wanted to proof a point... I also shortened his css file to 90 lines (from +400) with same functionality as before | 20:43 |
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