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| Jumblemuddle | How soon will I be able to run sailfish on my galaxyS4? | 06:39 |
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| Jumblemuddle | I hear that it will eventually be able to be installed on non jolla phones. I'm curious how long this is going to take. | 06:39 |
| jussi | Jumblemuddle: soon(TM) | 06:41 |
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| Jumblemuddle | jussi: Haha, fair enough. | 06:42 |
| jussi | :D | 06:42 |
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| rangoy | Hmm.. my phone has started to do random reboots since friday... strange | 07:24 |
| Nicd- | but common | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | pull battery for 10 minutes, after shutting down device | 07:24 |
| Nicd- | at least shutdowns | 07:24 |
| rangoy | hmm.. why so long? shouldn't a minute be enough? | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | rangoy: always good to be on safe side | 07:25 |
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| rangoy | Stskeeps: what can possibly hold state so long? sd-ram? | 07:26 |
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| kimmoli | it is hard to keep hands of from jolla for 10 minutes :) | 07:27 |
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| Nicd- | well, if you tell people "1 minute", they'll think it's ok to do it for 5 seconds. if you tell them "10 minutes", they'll be more hesitant to lower the time (and maybe lower it to 1+ minutes) :P | 07:28 |
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| rangoy | Nicd-: true... i've heard 10 minutes, and did one minute:p | 07:32 |
| rangoy | (who knows, without my jolla i can't keep track of time, and time feels so slow :P) | 07:33 |
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| pawky | now what on earth would the Jolla phone do during those minutes, that it will not if the battery is pulled for e few seconds? | 07:43 |
| pawky | I mean, the phone is doing things on a GigaHertz scale, seconds sounds like neanderthal timing to me... | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | pawky: <sarcasm>reconnect to NSA servers</sarcasm> | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:44 |
| pawky | Stskeeps: I think it would certainly need a battery for that though... | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | in practice it needs to be registered as more than a momentary power cutoff | 07:45 |
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| pawky | Stskeeps: hmmm... ok so it keeps track of the downtime by last power on time, and compares it at boot? | 07:46 |
| Pnuu | I'd go for "capacitors needs to get empty" :-P | 07:47 |
| pawky | Pnuu: also a thought, but aren't they a tiny bit quicker than one minute?... they are quite tiny those suckers... | 07:48 |
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| Pnuu | depends on how they are discharged | 07:48 |
| AL13N_work | oh, the battery removal timing is 10min? | 07:49 |
| AL13N_work | i only did 10sec once | 07:49 |
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| madk | How is the jolla's battery life? I mean heavy usage. | 07:51 |
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| jussi | madk: like any smartphone, rubbish :P | 07:54 |
| madk | :( | 07:54 |
| madk | At least it is removable. | 07:54 |
| kimmoli | in low use (standby, no networks, just daily check what is the bat level) 2 weeks 100% --> 48%. in my moderate use it is down to same after full day. | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | it's actually quite good on the recent builds | 07:54 |
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| kimmoli | i need to do more testing, but atm it seems that (in standby) battery drains faster when NO toh installed... | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense, if it's searching for one | 07:57 |
| kimmoli | now measuring the toholed battery consumption, and it is "no toh installed" for nfc and for the microswitch. | 07:57 |
| chriadam | there's still a lot we can do to reduce power consumption in the sync area. reducing wakeups when no valid accounts exist, for example. using better delta detections to reduce the amount of full-syncs and fs writes / db activity which occurs, as well. things take time, though. | 07:58 |
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| madk | toh huge battery when? | 08:03 |
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| Nicd- | when you make one :) | 08:04 |
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| AL13N_work | madk: i get 3 days out of normal usage | 08:04 |
| madk | Thanks! | 08:05 |
| AL13N_work | maybe some people get only 2 days | 08:05 |
| madk | As long as it gets close to 8hrs on heavy usage I'm glad. | 08:05 |
| Frye | madk, for heavy use jolla's battery life beats my iPhone with several hours more usage. | 08:06 |
| radekp | 7 days for me in standby - just answering a few gsm calls | 08:06 |
| Frye | got iPhone5 here. | 08:06 |
| Frye | And yet no-one complains about that in the news :-( | 08:06 |
| madk | Frye: Awesome, that's good news. I get about 8-12hrs on my BlackBerry Q10 | 08:06 |
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| Frye | But that said my girl has been able to drain the battery with android games running on Jolla =) | 08:07 |
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| madk | Ehh, I never play games. | 08:09 |
| AL13N_work | madk: i don't know about heavy usage | 08:10 |
| AL13N_work | while i was developing, i've been able to (while plugged on USB-computer) to drain battery a lot faster than it could charge | 08:10 |
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| madk | Wow that's really weird. | 08:14 |
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| kimmoli | some app running, screen on , 500mA is easily reached | 08:16 |
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| szopin | stephg: check if this answer will work for you: https://together.jolla.com/question/14633/bug-factory-reset-no-storage-left/ (just make sure to delete the snapshot subvolumes starting with /mnt/rec...) | 08:33 |
| stephg | yeah I just saw that | 08:33 |
| stephg | I don't have a space issue yet (though I'm flirting near full) but I'll keep that in mind | 08:34 |
| stephg | glad that you were able to sort it | 08:34 |
| stephg | and good morning szopin! | 08:34 |
| szopin | good morning :) | 08:34 |
| Quu | someone should edit that answer to make bit more sense | 08:35 |
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| Quu | its something i would write while very very drunk | 08:35 |
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| madk | Maybe the original author will come back here and fix it himself :D | 08:36 |
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| szopin | well, deleting from insisde /mnt/ just resets the GUI, no damage done in experimenting it seems (then again will add comment there for others who don't find it obvious) | 08:36 |
| Quu | i cant make anything usefull out of that "answer" as i dont know what it is supposed to say | 08:37 |
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| gabriel9|work | update? | 08:45 |
| Quu | is it friday? | 08:45 |
| gabriel9|work | maybe | 08:45 |
| gabriel9|work | i was drunk for two days | 08:45 |
| Nicd- | Quu: is there an update due friday? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | better than food poisoning for two days | 08:46 |
| Quu | Nicd-: iirc all updates came out on friday evening | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | like my MWC was | 08:46 |
| gabriel9|work | MWC: ouch | 08:46 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: nothing is better than diarrhea | 08:46 |
| gabriel9|work | diarrhea + food poisoning = win | 08:47 |
| gabriel9|work | got that one time | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | so happy that i didn't vomit in the booth.. | 08:47 |
| gabriel9|work | lol :D | 08:47 |
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| Pnuu | >>> random.random() | 08:49 |
| Pnuu | 0.29378527237667873 | 08:49 |
| Pnuu | soon(tm) | 08:49 |
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| Nicd- | Random::getRandomFactory().initRandomFactory(new SeededPRNG(new RandomSeed(HardwareNoiseFactory::generateNoise()))).generateRandomNumberSeries().getRandomNumberIterator().pop(); | 08:51 |
| Nicd- | the java way | 08:51 |
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| Frye | :D | 08:52 |
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| pawky | AL13N_work: Now and then my Jolla suddenly goes bonkers, starts to funktion as a pocket heater, and drains the battery within a few hours... | 09:16 |
| pawky | damn.. i just commented something in the backlog.... | 09:16 |
| ar | pawky: run "top" and check if there isn't a process eating 100% of cpu | 09:17 |
| ar | i recently had an issue with the android something bridge doing that | 09:17 |
| pawky | ar: I wil, next time :-) | 09:17 |
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| pawky | Did I miss something, or is there no way to search through all your phone to find E-mail messages etc?... | 09:43 |
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| Stskeeps | you can have a functional, fast phone or a slow mess.. | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:44 |
| AL13N_work | pawky: i've found out that sometimes the jolla is hot, but it only happens if it's in my pocket... maybe because there's no air, it's heating up... i didn't see any related battery drainage or something though | 09:44 |
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| ggabriel | i wouldn't mind searching for emails tho :) | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | or through emails i should've said | 09:45 |
| AL13N_work | i remember someone suggesting some kind of global search function | 09:45 |
| pawky | Stskeeps: well... it works nicely on the N9, so I cannot see a problem having it on the Jolla | 09:45 |
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| ggabriel | that's what Stskeeps is kinda challenging | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | i rarely use the global search function | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | i do it more localised | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | pawky: that's the thing though, it doesn't actually work nicely | 09:45 |
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| pawky | Stskeeps: It has for me... | 09:46 |
| salami` | has there been any updates regarding the bootloop problem? | 09:47 |
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| ggabriel | salami`: there'll be an update soon :) | 09:48 |
| pawky | Stskeeps: when having a couple of thousand messages on the phone, SMS E-mail you name it, trying to find something might be quite an accomplishment | 09:48 |
| salami` | *soon* :) | 09:48 |
| Fryella | yeah, searching for stuff is pretty much today | 09:49 |
| Fryella | not being able to search for emails is the only thing preventing me to use jolla as my primary device. | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | ah, i wouldn't say that | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | i always have grep :P | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | thing is: nobody does search properly anyway | 09:50 |
| Fryella | although jolla as my secondary one is being used more than my primary... | 09:50 |
| pawky | ggabriel: Give up, you cannot seriously mean people should enter a shell to find some E-mails... | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | i won't give up | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | i can, so i do | 09:51 |
| pawky | ggabriel: you can also walk backwards, I presume you do not spend most of your walking time doing so... | 09:51 |
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| Fryella | :D | 09:51 |
| pawky | B-) | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | pawky: i can't see the relationship between walking backwards and entering commands in a shell | 09:52 |
| pawky | ggabriel: entering commands in a shell using a tiny on screen terminal, is like walking backwards, you only do it when you really have to.... | 09:53 |
| pawky | :-D | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | i have to disagree, but you can do as you want and i can do as i want :) | 09:53 |
| Pnuu | like now, when there's no search...?-) | 09:53 |
| pawky | (on screen keyboard, it should have been) | 09:53 |
| * tbr gets popcorn | 09:53 | |
| ggabriel | well, local email search isn't always good | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | especially as not all emails are downloaded | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | so you either use gmail or similar and go to their website to search | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | or you ssh into your mail server and do a proper grep across *all* emails | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | there is some value on search (email/sms/you name it) | 09:54 |
| pawky | ggabriel: gmail isn't an option... | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | but you will always have limitations | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | and i'm not talking about sailfish here | 09:54 |
| pawky | ggabriel: Or.... someone implements a search function in the gui to where you can write words to search for.... I wonder what most people would opt for... | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | pawky: i don't think you get my point | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | that search function you are talking about will search across emails downloaded in your device | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | not all your emails | 09:55 |
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| pawky | ggabriel: Which is precisely what I want :-) | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | doesn't IMAP have some search function to search the mails on the server too? | 09:56 |
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| ggabriel | pawky: did you vote for it in tjc? | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: i have no idea, was wondering the same thing myself | 09:56 |
| pawky | ggabriel: Give me a link and I will :-) | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | ufff | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | just *search* in tjc and vote :) | 09:56 |
| pawky | ggabriel: can i grep? :-D | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | i'm working right now, sorry, else i'd look it up | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | pawky: you can, if you have the full rss feed | 09:57 |
| Nicd- | it does | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: cool, maybe another feature to request | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | i wonder if dovecot implements it | 09:57 |
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| ggabriel | apparently it does \o/ | 09:59 |
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| stephg | Nicd-, ggabriel there's dovecot, IIRC there's a lucene plugin too | 10:06 |
| stephg | for the shiny | 10:06 |
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| AL13N_work | btw: https://together.jolla.com/question/31412/gstreamer-with-more-codecs/ | 10:29 |
| AL13N_work | about building on-device... something is wrong with default settings, i can't seem to build for armv7hl target | 10:29 |
| AL13N_work | which is odd, considering that's the cpu arch | 10:30 |
| szopin | why do you chroot? | 10:31 |
| ln- | what does 'hl' stand for, btw? | 10:32 |
| tbr | also native building? srsly? | 10:32 |
| szopin | works very well native, why not? | 10:34 |
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| szopin | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 10:36 |
| szopin | with no rootfs limitations like on n900 not sure why chroot though, should be plenty of space for all the -dev(el) pckgs | 10:37 |
| tbr | ln-: h stands for hardfloat, l for little endian IIRC | 10:39 |
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| ln- | okay | 10:43 |
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| AL13N_work | szopin: i don't want to fuck up my phone itself :-) | 10:47 |
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| AL13N_work | szopin: and since this is btrfs snapshot, this is cheap :-) | 10:53 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: and yes! on-device building :-) | 10:53 |
| AL13N_work | because we can :-) | 10:53 |
| bencoh | meh :) | 10:53 |
| AL13N_work | anyway, i think the default build settings (target?) are not correctly set for the device maybe in the stdc++-devel package | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | or in glibc or whatnot | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | i'm not a crosscompiler expert | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | bencoh: it's a joke | 10:55 |
| Venemo_ | hey AL13N :) | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | i just want to do some gcc simpleapp.c on the device itself, since i'm developing qml anyway, and having a very small .cpp app that handles the qml, is nice | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo_: hey | 10:56 |
| bencoh | AL13N_work: :) | 10:56 |
| Venemo_ | AL13N: I've found a good solution for your puzzle-master issue ;) | 10:56 |
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| AL13N_work | anyway, i think the -mthumb is not correct, but i can't build for armv7hl ... which is the arch of the device :-S | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo_: oh? | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | a config file? | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 10:57 |
| bencoh | AL13N_work: you shouldn't use a cross if you want a native build | 10:57 |
| Venemo_ | AL13N: I thought about a config file or a command line parameter, but i've got something even better | 10:57 |
| AL13N_work | exactly | 10:57 |
| * AL13N_work is curious | 10:58 | |
| bencoh | (unless I'm missing some mer-specific stuff) | 10:58 |
| Venemo_ | AL13N: I'm going to add a "..." button to the bottom left of the game difficulty dialog. if the user taps that button, the game will pop up the warning but this time it will remember if you say yes, and after you said yes the range of difficulty will be extended | 10:58 |
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| AL13N_work | bencoh: i think some cross stuff is set on the device as leftover from the builds or something | 10:59 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo_: o, ic | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | it'd be nice to have the build process documented properly imho | 11:00 |
| AL13N_work | maybe Sage- will nkow | 11:00 |
| AL13N_work | *know | 11:00 |
| Venemo_ | AL13N: you like? | 11:00 |
| AL13N_work | yes, that's good :-) | 11:01 |
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| Venemo_ | AL13N: awesome. sorry for not highlighting your current nick but the IRC app I'm testing now (polari) doesn't list it in the tab completion | 11:02 |
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| Turski | why isn't there connmanctl on device? | 11:03 |
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| AL13N_work | Turski: i've asked this myself too | 11:04 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo_: wait... didn't you have your own IRC app??? | 11:04 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: unfortunately I don't have silica components on the desktop | 11:05 |
| Turski | i still haven't managed to connect to my school's eduroam wifi with jolla | 11:06 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: I also had a sort of working desktop version last year, but still haven't had time / energy for that :( | 11:07 |
| AL13N_work | oh, ok, desktop | 11:08 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: when I'm on the jolla, I'm Venemo_j ;) | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | k | 11:08 |
| AL13N_work | should've known | 11:08 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: it's the same naming convention you use :P | 11:09 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm, is the rumours of an update this week confirmed by any official source? | 11:09 |
| CoderCandy | are* | 11:09 |
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| pawky | CoderCandy: I doubt any 'offical' source would dare to confirm that... | 11:11 |
| Turski | i have a working wpa_supplicant.conf for my eduroam but i have no idea how to convert it to right format for connman | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | any leeks will be dealt with by ze sharks | 11:12 |
| Venemo | CoderCandy: no, we only have this: https://together.jolla.com/question/29506/official-announcement-the-next-update-release-is-in-early-march/ | 11:12 |
| Venemo | moooo Stskeeps! :) | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 11:12 |
| pawky | Stskeeps: ~~~/|~~~~ | 11:13 |
| AJAX555 | someone let their cattle loose | 11:13 |
| AJAX555 | in here | 11:13 |
| pawky | AJAX555: that's ze shark... | 11:14 |
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| CoderCandy | okay | 11:17 |
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| chem|st | Turski: you have to compile it yourself... | 11:23 |
| chem|st | Turski: for eduroam, do exactly like in the howto and ignore what credentials you have from your school additionally to what is in the howto (I tried to get it working like the provider wants me to but actually some stuff is just not needed at all and I tried to wrap my head around those credentials for a while till I tried exactly like the howto and it worked) | 11:25 |
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| rangoy | CoderCandy: and this; https://together.jolla.com/questions/query:mar14/ | 11:31 |
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| Venemo_ | if I retag a bunch of questions with mar14, will they be fixed by mar14 too? | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | now that'd be silly | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
| inffy_ | of course :) | 11:38 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: creating a howto on tjc works quiet different than your gstreamer question... | 11:38 |
| chem|st | and you actually know that | 11:39 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: why? | 11:39 |
| chem|st | Venemo: where do we start? | 11:39 |
| Venemo_ | chem|st: wherever you want :) | 11:39 |
| chem|st | filter the bugs and start from the top I start from bottom and we meet in the middle^^ | 11:40 |
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| Venemo_ | chem|st: I just want a working browser and email client | 11:43 |
| Frye | Seems like the Nokia X's have been attached to google play store already. | 11:43 |
| Frye | That did not take long | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | oh no! hell has frozen! | 11:44 |
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| chem|st | Venemo_: for that you need working connections | 11:44 |
| Venemo_ | Frye: even crazier, someone's put nokia x's store on the jolla | 11:44 |
| chem|st | Venemo_: apps not randomly crashing | 11:44 |
| Venemo_ | chem|st: hehe, yeah | 11:45 |
| Frye | =) | 11:45 |
| pp_ | :-) | 11:45 |
| pp_ | Venemo_: well, those apps don't need the google crap so :-) | 11:45 |
| chem|st | Frye: how long did it take us to do that? | 11:45 |
| pp_ | wonder if they install here maps for android etc. | 11:45 |
| Frye | That's exactly my point. I wonder how Nokia even thought that it would not happen | 11:46 |
| Frye | Or did they actually wish that the same would happen with their device | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | Frye: of course they did | 11:46 |
| chem|st | Frye: it is the other way round... | 11:46 |
| Frye | Most likely | 11:46 |
| chem|st | Frye: google decides who is unworthy | 11:47 |
| Nicd- | google play on their device, even if unofficial, makes for a better reputation for the device | 11:47 |
| Frye | Now what I really need to check is if those devices compare HWwise to other cheaper android phones | 11:48 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: reputation, winME/vista/XP64 made that company some good reputation^^ if you think nokia only, burning platform memo has some reputation... | 11:48 |
| Frye | My kids need new phones and I really want the cheapest ones that I can get/hack to work | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | Frye: I hear they're pretty laggy | 11:49 |
| chem|st | Frye: 50eur china import | 11:49 |
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| Frye | yeah, that's what I hear too | 11:49 |
| Frye | If only I had a tiny bit of extra cash to invest I'd get both of my girls jollas | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | wonder if the Nokia X+ would be a decent cheap sailfish phone | 11:52 |
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| zutto | would be intresting atleast | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | probably feasible | 11:55 |
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| Venemo_ | Frye: get them firefox os devices | 11:56 |
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| Venemo_ | Frye: or get some pink jollas ;) | 11:56 |
| Frye | I'm really tempted on getting them jollas. I guess I just need to work harder | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | Frye: do you get paid more if you work harder? | 11:57 |
| Frye | Yes and no. I just need to complete more things =) | 11:58 |
| flux | nokia phones have traditionally been protected quite well against (say) replacing the OS. what might be the case with the new android phones? | 11:58 |
| zutto | guess we'll see when they release the phones | 11:58 |
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| pp_ | I'd suppose they've not spent much effort on that side, cheap commodity android hardware for great profit :-) | 11:59 |
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| zutto | you never know | 12:02 |
| zutto | but those phones look very intresting | 12:02 |
| zutto | they're cheap, and quite powerful for their price | 12:02 |
| Venemo_ | Frye: how old are your girls? | 12:02 |
| Frye | 8 and 10 | 12:03 |
| Frye | They have had nokia 500's until now. | 12:03 |
| Frye | And now they demand touch screen and pou =) | 12:03 |
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| Venemo_ | ah, too young. if they were older, I would've suggested to convince their boyfriends to get them new phones :P | 12:04 |
| Frye | hehe | 12:06 |
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| Venemo_ | Frye: firefox os might not be a bad choice for them, though | 12:11 |
| Frye | I have not paid too much attention to it. | 12:11 |
| Frye | Does it run android apps? | 12:11 |
| Frye | As most of the games they want to play will most likely come from some of the android stores | 12:11 |
| Frye | since their friends will have cheap samsungs anyway | 12:12 |
| gabriel9|work | when i was 8 years i was playing with wooden sticks | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | and sometimes bullets :D | 12:14 |
| Frye | Same for me. Times change | 12:14 |
| gabriel9|work | yea | 12:15 |
| Frye | I got my first computer when they were already up to 386 | 12:15 |
| Frye | And I'd hate my kids to suffer the same | 12:15 |
| Frye | My wifes fear of tech is already hard enough :D | 12:15 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 12:15 |
| Frye | Ofcourse it takes loads of work to teach the kids to use whatever devices they use properly | 12:16 |
| gabriel9|work | yes | 12:16 |
| Frye | But it's no different from 100 years ago | 12:16 |
| Frye | Just the target of the education was different | 12:16 |
| chem|st | gabriel9|work: +1 kids of that age do not need a mobile phone | 12:16 |
| gabriel9|work | now they do, it is a trend | 12:16 |
| gabriel9|work | world is changeing :] | 12:17 |
| Frye | No they don't need it. But I much rather teach them to use those when they have the tendency to learn that | 12:17 |
| gabriel9|work | changing* | 12:17 |
| chem|st | gabriel9|work: it is trendy to use whatsapp and eat soy both things I wont jump! | 12:17 |
| gabriel9|work | how old are you? | 12:18 |
| chem|st | 30 | 12:18 |
| gabriel9|work | 30 != 8 | 12:18 |
| gabriel9|work | :) | 12:18 |
| gabriel9|work | they think diff | 12:18 |
| chem|st | sure that is why we are called adults and they are called children... | 12:18 |
| gabriel9|work | and they are influenced from the media... | 12:19 |
| gabriel9|work | if they friends have mobile phones, they want it also | 12:19 |
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| gabriel9|work | i see my little cousins | 12:19 |
| gabriel9|work | they just want phones and to watch tv with music :D | 12:20 |
| gabriel9|work | and i cant do anything about that, well i convince one of them to play basketball | 12:20 |
| gabriel9|work | but they are slaves of TV, especially if both parents work | 12:21 |
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| Nicd- | I got a nokia 3510i when I was 14 I think, it was my first phone | 12:24 |
| Frye | I bought my first phone when I was 18. | 12:24 |
| Frye | Way too late :D | 12:24 |
| Frye | But those were about the first ones around :D | 12:24 |
| gabriel9|work | Frye: 18 also here | 12:25 |
| gabriel9|work | and my first PC with 23 | 12:25 |
| Frye | But for me I have them the phones to learn and use and I limit the amount of time they get to spend with the devices | 12:25 |
| Frye | And doing 4km cross-country skiing gives them time on phone/minecraft :D | 12:26 |
| Frye | So they play saxophone/recorder. Ski & do other stuff and then get to play after that. | 12:26 |
| Nicd- | I've been thinking of connecting a computer to an excercise bike and making it regulate available bandwidth based on the pedaling | 12:27 |
| Frye | haha | 12:27 |
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| Nicd- | so normal pedaling gives you SSH and some websites, youtube requires real effort | 12:27 |
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| Frye | Nicd-, Facebook & G+ to break a personal record? ;-) | 12:34 |
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| Nicd- | those would be below youtube though | 12:40 |
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| Nicd- | but I don't know how to control bandwidth on linux | 12:41 |
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| roboro | Nicd-: http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html#LARTC.QDISC | 12:47 |
| szopin | tempted to try mixradio again (this time with the /opt/alien/system/build.prop only)... | 12:47 |
| roboro | Nicd-: or easier... http://www.tuxradar.com/content/control-your-bandwidth-trickle | 12:48 |
| roboro | not sure how simple it is to shape based on website | 12:48 |
| stephg | simple websites, simple :) | 12:49 |
| Nicd- | roboro: it doesn't need to based on website | 12:49 |
| Nicd- | rather, youtube naturally uses a ton of bandwidth compared to a simple html page | 12:50 |
| roboro | mmm protocol should be fairly straightforward... | 12:50 |
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| Nicd- | apparently trickle isn't what I want (no dynamic speed changes, it only works for local apps?) | 12:52 |
| roboro | Nicd-: some routers include QoS settings that allow you to control bandwidth allocation | 12:53 |
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| Nicd- | sadly I have a router with *no* settings at all | 12:55 |
| Yaniel | put... put openwrt on it | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: can't be done | 12:57 |
| zutto | or ddwrt | 12:57 |
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| Nicd- | there is no control panel, no settings, no way to flash anything | 12:57 |
| zutto | get a new router or build one then ;? | 12:57 |
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| roboro | yeah... you can put something between your existing router and your internal network | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | roboro: that's what I thought about. seems wondershaper would do what I want | 12:58 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: wow that sucks | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: elisa viihde, don't buy it | 12:58 |
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| Yaniel | can you open it and screw with the serial console? :D or JTAG | 12:58 |
| zutto | i agree with Nicd- on elisa viihde | 12:59 |
| zutto | silly thing is a scam | 12:59 |
| Yaniel | serial console saved my router from brickage a couple of weeks ago | 12:59 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I don't have the skills to mess with those | 12:59 |
| Nicd- | zutto: I wouldn't complain if they hadn't lied about being able to bridge the cable modem / router they provide | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | now I have to reverse SSH tunnel out :| | 13:01 |
| roboro | uuurgh | 13:01 |
| zutto | hmh | 13:02 |
| zutto | my elisa viihde box offers bridging | 13:02 |
| pp_ | at least with sonera you get internet tv or a useful internet connection, but not both at the same time :-) | 13:02 |
| zutto | not quite sure exactly what model it is tho | 13:02 |
| Nicd- | zutto: you have an older box then. the older ones did | 13:03 |
| Nicd- | they don't offer them anymore | 13:03 |
| zutto | yeah | 13:03 |
| zutto | its from -10 i think | 13:03 |
| zutto | the software got automaticly updated 1.5 years ago | 13:03 |
| zutto | that gave me the freedom to do so | 13:03 |
| Nicd- | when we were making the contract, the customer service person told me I could bridge the box :/ | 13:04 |
| tbr | sonera, a bunch of proven liars... | 13:04 |
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| Nicd- | tbr: all of the major 3 ISPs in finland are | 13:05 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: what is the model of that box? | 13:05 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: pace c2300 | 13:05 |
| zutto | anyone got expirience with dna and their "überkaista"? | 13:06 |
| zutto | is it really good as it looks? | 13:06 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: there are hidden settings that can be accessed by custom HTTP requests to certain addresses, but I wouldn't want to go down that route | 13:06 |
| Nicd- | supposedly they're releasing an update this year but even they themselves don't know what it contains | 13:07 |
| tbr | Nicd-: interesting though, that this goes through large parts of their management. I did the exercise of complaining and going through their hierarchy. | 13:07 |
| pp_ | zutto: the cable stuff isn't as reliable as good old dsl, alas, but speeds can be pretty good | 13:08 |
| zutto | i see | 13:08 |
| Yaniel | okay, no mention of it on the openwrt page | 13:09 |
| pp_ | I still have a legacy 100/50 vdsl2, which is great :-) | 13:09 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I don't think it's possible to flash anything on it. even so, would openwrt be able to control the cable modem? | 13:10 |
| zutto | 100/50 would be nice | 13:10 |
| Nicd- | we have 100/5 | 13:11 |
| zutto | 24/1 | 13:11 |
| zutto | :| | 13:11 |
| Nicd- | I miss the 100/100 from my student apartment :( residential connections suck | 13:11 |
| * tbr is on 100/10 and no IPv6 in sight, probably ever as Sonera claims that IPv6 is a "business feature" | 13:11 | |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: dunno | 13:11 |
| Bysmyyr | 100/100 is nice :) | 13:11 |
| pp_ | dna at least has a sixxs pop :-) | 13:11 |
| tbr | TOASnet was nice, had actually two ports in my appartment, 100M FDX each | 13:12 |
| Yaniel | yep, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3344907704 | 13:12 |
| zutto | those small isps are nice | 13:13 |
| zutto | they have had reasonable priced 100/100 lines for ages | 13:13 |
| Bysmyyr | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3344910560 | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | I'd love to use nebula but it's really expensive | 13:14 |
| Bysmyyr | not so good today | 13:14 |
| zutto | Nicd-: nebula isnt that great either | 13:15 |
| zutto | we have had quite unstable connection at work lately | 13:15 |
| zutto | unstable as in random 5-15 minute breaks | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | zutto: at least they'd have open ports and a static IP | 13:16 |
| zutto | well, so does elisa | 13:16 |
| zutto | atleast for me | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | we don't have either :P | 13:16 |
| zutto | really? :o | 13:16 |
| zutto | my ip only changed once in the last 12 years | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | the pace keeps all ports closed and since there are no settings, there's no way to open them | 13:16 |
| zutto | yeah | 13:17 |
| Yaniel | Bysmyyr: heh, my router can barely keep up with what I get here | 13:17 |
| zutto | i can open and close ports as i like too | 13:17 |
| Nicd- | there's actually even no documented way to turn off the wlan | 13:17 |
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| zutto | hmh | 13:17 |
| zutto | the new ones must be horrible | 13:17 |
| Bysmyyr | Yaniel: we some bad router in this room, directly to wall gives sometimes more than 1k | 13:17 |
| Nicd- | Bysmyyr: you mean 1G | 13:18 |
| Bysmyyr | yep :P | 13:18 |
| Bysmyyr | just thinking numbers | 13:18 |
| Bysmyyr | there is/was a bug in speedtest, it did not worked over 1G speeds | 13:18 |
| zutto | speaking of school connections | 13:19 |
| zutto | my friend lives next to a school that has 500/200 connection | 13:19 |
| zutto | hes wlan can reach it and he has passwords to get in | 13:19 |
| zutto | :P | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | but it's a 802.11g wlan? | 13:19 |
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| zutto | no clue | 13:19 |
| Bysmyyr | there is 1G connection also in some student apartments here but not mine | 13:20 |
| zutto | when he tested, he got almost no packet loss in the connection | 13:20 |
| zutto | he was planning to get a real antenna for the wlan to steal the connection | 13:20 |
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| vanadis | oh hai | 14:21 |
| vanadis | is there a way to automount nfs-shares as soon as i login to a certain wifi? | 14:22 |
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| roboro | vanadis: https://together.jolla.com/question/976/nfs-access/ | 14:24 |
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| roboro | there is the problem that you should dismount before you lose wifi access... which can be a problem | 14:25 |
| roboro | that's why they use nolock | 14:25 |
| roboro | but its not ideal | 14:26 |
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| roboro | I guess you could script the bits that you need based on whether wlan is up and what the ssid is etc | 14:27 |
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| roboro | probably you want to use options like 'soft' mounts etc for handling situations where you walk out of range of your wifi... but then don't use your NFS for writes if you do this, as soft mounts can cause I/O errors | 14:30 |
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| vanadis | thx roboro | 16:13 |
| roboro | vanadis: no probs... it will be nice when someone gets around to doing a UI for this... and maybe working out how to handle disconnects | 16:14 |
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| Venemo_j | hi | 17:25 |
| tbr | lo | 17:27 |
| Pnuu | med | 17:27 |
| tbr | FILE_NOT_FOUND | 17:27 |
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| metallisto | Hello, suddenly my jolla turns off or the battery is draining extremly after it was charged. While charging the device was also very hot. But this is only happening sometimes. Are there known problems? | 18:13 |
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| CoderCandy | metallisto: I've had similar problems, at least the turning off part | 18:16 |
| CoderCandy | It's rather common, and rumours claim there's gonna be a patch this week. | 18:16 |
| CoderCandy | But that's only rumours. | 18:17 |
| metallisto | Hopefully.. Today it happend more then 10 times. | 18:17 |
| tbr | metallisto: did you try taking out the battery for 10min? | 18:17 |
| CoderCandy | metallisto: unplugging the battery helps when it happens often | 18:17 |
| metallisto | I tried it once but only after this battery drain. I will try it once again | 18:18 |
| CoderCandy | tbr: why does it need to be out for 10 whole minutes? | 18:18 |
| CoderCandy | That part doesn't seem to make sense :s | 18:18 |
| tbr | CoderCandy: don't ask me, the cargo cult comes out of jolla | 18:19 |
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| tbr | CoderCandy: something about making sure the device fully initializes everything from zero, IIRC | 18:20 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, I usually only have it out for like 10-20 seconds | 18:20 |
| CoderCandy | Seems to work as well as the 10 minutes method. | 18:20 |
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| tbr | and 10min is probably an arbitrary and huge safety margin number | 18:20 |
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| CoderCandy | Well, probably | 18:20 |
| metallisto | Some days ago i charged the device and it was really hot. When i plugged it off i had a battery drain about 1% every 5-10 minuts in standby mode | 18:21 |
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| clau | metallisto, have you done something out of ordinary via dev mode? | 18:22 |
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| metallisto | Yes. When the tohd-service problem was i stoped the daemon and masked it | 18:24 |
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| clau | I doubt that's the cause, but you can enable it now again since the problem was solved in the latest update. | 18:25 |
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| metallisto | I made this already. At the moment the dev mode is also disabled | 18:25 |
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| Venemo_j | have you tried a reboot? | 18:29 |
| Venemo_j | shut it off, take out the battery, leave it like that for 10 minutes and then turn on again | 18:29 |
| metallisto | Everytime it turned off :)... But now I tried with battery | 18:30 |
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| AmixJolla | hi | 19:05 |
| inffy_ | Hi | 19:06 |
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| AmixJolla | Writing reviews and now writing about irc app for SailfishOS :) | 19:06 |
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| ShadowJK | My jolla suddenly ejected its original screen protector :-[ | 19:23 |
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| ShadowJK | hm | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | The N810 pouch is a pretty good fit :-) | 19:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have http://www.amazon.com/Poetic-GraphGrip-Android-Manufacturer-Warranty/dp/B00E7FY910 | 19:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | This is basically trivial to make from silicone for the Jolla. | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It's on my list when I get round to it. | 19:33 |
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| stephg | evening everyone | 19:51 |
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| * ShadowJK orders new screen protectors from a german webshop and from a .fi webshop | 19:59 | |
| ShadowJK | race on! | 19:59 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: you are where? | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | .fi | 20:00 |
| chem|st | what a race... one starts behind the finishline^^ | 20:01 |
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| walokra | but germany has the upper hand | 20:01 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah, .fi webshops have a habbit of selling stuff they don't actually have | 20:04 |
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| pdanek1 | Jolla is gonna have Younited client, but most of the Jolla users are on Linux, aren't they? | 21:24 |
| pdanek1 | http://www.younited.com/download.html | 21:24 |
| pdanek1 | I see no Linux desktop client. | 21:24 |
| Yaniel | http://blog.younited.com/2013/12/10/we-do-listen/ | 21:24 |
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| Yaniel | "officially unsupported but please help us improve them" | 21:25 |
| pdanek1 | right | 21:25 |
| Yaniel | but well, there is a .deb and a .rpm | 21:25 |
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| Yaniel | maybe someone will take time and extract the files for an archlinux package someday | 21:27 |
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| pdanek1 | Shouldn't be a problem to repack. | 21:28 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 21:28 |
| Yaniel | might do it myself as an exercise if/when it lands on sailfish | 21:28 |
| pdanek1 | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/younited | 21:29 |
| Yaniel | oh, that was fast | 21:29 |
| pdanek1 | naah, just google :D | 21:29 |
| pdanek1 | I don't use Arch. | 21:29 |
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| Yaniel | or do a quick search with $aurhelper | 21:30 |
| pdanek1 | Actually stuck with super old RHEL 6.3 on business laptop. | 21:30 |
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| Guest96775 | ah great. two sudden shutdowns in one hour. both just after email notification. | 21:30 |
| pdanek1 | uses qt! | 21:30 |
| pdanek1 | didn't know | 21:30 |
| ln- | will Jolla users be offered something beyond what Younited already offers for free? | 21:31 |
| Yaniel | oh, qt5 | 21:31 |
| pdanek1 | ln-: they said 5G of storage at least | 21:31 |
| pdanek1 | ln-: and native Jolla client, fair enough | 21:31 |
| pdanek1 | since Jolla is starving for software | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | I hope the native client does not automatically download all those 5GB of data | 21:32 |
| pdanek1 | + lately everyone is crazy about NSA, security and stuff, F-Secure takes good marketing advantage here | 21:32 |
| pdanek1 | Yaniel: :D | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | they sure do | 21:33 |
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| pdanek1 | I'm by the way strong believer in project Tox.im | 21:33 |
| pdanek1 | anyone who haven't checked it yet, now it's the time | 21:34 |
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| pdanek1 | they're in pre-alpha, though big plans... peer to peer encrypted chat / VOIP / video... | 21:34 |
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| pdanek1 | their IRC room has more active people than #pidgin does! :D | 21:35 |
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| stephg | Tox.im is the tor IM thingy? | 21:41 |
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| Skorpy | nah, that's TIMB | 21:42 |
| Skorpy | (Tor instant messaging bundle) | 21:42 |
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| stephg | tox looks quite interesting | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | native client for jolla anyone? ^^ | 21:47 |
| jabis | hrm - ssu rr and zypper rr both state they've removed a repo that's bitching about credentials (on my N9), but nothing is really removed in the global repolist | 21:49 |
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| stephg | ooh youtube client in the store | 21:50 |
| clau | pdanek, how's younited any different than other cloud providers? | 21:50 |
| Yaniel | clau: they are finnish | 21:51 |
| pdanek | exactly | 21:51 |
| pdanek | partnership | 21:51 |
| pdanek | that's all | 21:51 |
| clau | so they are not different. | 21:51 |
| Yaniel | and in theory the NSA has no business with them | 21:51 |
| Yaniel | not legally at least | 21:51 |
| clau | right :) | 21:51 |
| pdanek | and that NSA marketing advantage that they're hosted in "more secure country" | 21:51 |
| pdanek | yes | 21:51 |
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| clau | because NSA hasn't spied on europe. | 21:51 |
| pdanek | well | 21:51 |
| pdanek | they do | 21:52 |
| Yaniel | why would anyone do that | 21:52 |
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| pdanek | but they don't have goverment power over European companies | 21:52 |
| clau | well, I hoped the answer is "because they offer encrypted storage, with encryption done on client side, and the client is opensource!" | 21:52 |
| pdanek | they can't easily come to F-Secure and ask them for data | 21:52 |
| pdanek | clau: is it? I didn't really look on it yet | 21:53 |
| clau | that is just a dream, my friend :) | 21:53 |
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| clau | well, there's an advantage to being based in europe, and in a relatively sane country. | 21:54 |
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| clau | but they still have access to your data. they still can give it away, or lose it. | 21:54 |
| pdanek | peer to peer solutions will be best | 21:56 |
| clau | No doubt about it. | 21:56 |
| clau | IMO, companies would be afraid to offer encrypted storage, to which they don't have keys. | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | isn't that technically illegal in GB too? :D | 21:58 |
| pdanek | I can imagine peer to peer cloud storage, having encrypted small chunks of data everywhere on internet. | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | to have encrypted storage to which you can't give authorities the key | 21:58 |
| clau | afaik, it is | 21:58 |
| clau | you can go to prison if you can't provide the keys. | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | yeah something like that | 21:59 |
| Yaniel | better not use any *nix OS there | 21:59 |
| clau | in fact, if you overwrite your hdd with random bytes, they may think it's encrypted | 21:59 |
| Yaniel | /dev has some really suspicious looking files | 21:59 |
| clau | and you will have a hard time offering them keys for random data :D | 21:59 |
| stephg | clau, that's factually correct (the law is called RIPA) but in practice it's not been used AFAIK | 21:59 |
| clau | and this is how you will lose 2 to 5 years of your life. | 21:59 |
| Yaniel | I can imagine the headlines | 22:00 |
| Yaniel | "/dev/urandom strikes again" | 22:00 |
| stephg | it's 2 years IIRC | 22:00 |
| clau | :)) | 22:00 |
| pdanek | In what is living in UK better than Ireland? | 22:00 |
| pdanek | :D | 22:00 |
| clau | you are most likely right, I just have vague memories about it | 22:01 |
| pdanek | a bit offtopic question, sorry.... deciding of a new job | 22:01 |
| pdanek | choosing between Ireland and UK | 22:01 |
| pdanek | Dublin or Portsmouth | 22:01 |
| stephg | the economy in .uk is less messed up | 22:01 |
| stephg | Dublin's cool though | 22:01 |
| stephg | (if expensive) | 22:02 |
| stephg | don't know how good the tech scene is there tho | 22:02 |
| roboro | what stephg said... | 22:02 |
| pdanek | much more expensive than small Portsmouth? | 22:02 |
| pdanek | salary-wise, even little bit more in Dublin | 22:02 |
| roboro | Dublin has a great tech scene | 22:02 |
| roboro | portsmouth would be cheaper than Dublin | 22:02 |
| pdanek | Do you like it as a city? | 22:02 |
| stephg | Dublin also isn't big | 22:03 |
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| pdanek | I come from 12k city :D 5.5y ago... | 22:03 |
| stephg | Dublin is 500k people, Portsmouth 209k | 22:04 |
| pdanek | yea, but Dublin is a mixture I guess | 22:04 |
| pdanek | Portsmouth will be more true nature of England? | 22:04 |
| stephg | yikes but the urban area is 800k | 22:04 |
| stephg | well it's English, and Dublin is Irish | 22:04 |
| stephg | very similar, but very different :) | 22:05 |
| pdanek | Portsmouth is very small in area, so easy to travel through or go out of the city | 22:05 |
| pdanek | and cycling... cycling as a way of city travel is very important for me | 22:05 |
| stephg | yup, both cities are fine for cycling, both will be fine for public transport inside them | 22:06 |
| stephg | portsmouth is probably better than dublin for public transport outside | 22:06 |
| pdanek | outside? | 22:06 |
| stephg | outside of the city | 22:06 |
| stephg | the uk has a very well developed rail network (that's now quite old) | 22:07 |
| pdanek | yea regarding trains, should be very easy to reach London any time I want | 22:07 |
| pdanek | or -> to cycle to London! :D | 22:08 |
| pdanek | but as I haven't been to UK nor Ireland yet, it's hard to compare mentalities | 22:08 |
| stephg | you should go to both, Dublin is a great place btw | 22:08 |
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| pdanek | for me, the people are quite important | 22:08 |
| pdanek | yea | 22:08 |
| stephg | never been to Portsmouth so don't know | 22:09 |
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| szopin | hopefully there will be a cli-younited tool, one could easily mash up a script to compress files with 7zip and only then sync | 22:09 |
| szopin | I believe it uses aes256 by default so should be good enough | 22:09 |
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| ajaijjaj | stephg: Dublin's urban area has more ppl, around 1 million. It's hard to tell where Dublin ends, and where suburbs start | 22:10 |
| pdanek | szopin: you can have the script on your own and after it's compressed, move to younited mount point | 22:10 |
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| stephg | ajaijjaj, I'm sure, only ever been as a tourist | 22:10 |
| szopin | not sure how much integration will be there, but if it will doable by scripts on the fly then great | 22:10 |
| ajaijjaj | stephg: the worst part about Dublin is that the best place to live is outside Dublin :) | 22:11 |
| pdanek | hmm | 22:11 |
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| pdanek | Dublin & Ireland is quite green. | 22:12 |
| pdanek | What about south UK? | 22:12 |
| pdanek | My cousin told me the nature is far worse in UK. | 22:12 |
| stephg | it's green too but the further SE you go the more urban it is | 22:12 |
| stephg | Ireland is *very* green | 22:12 |
| ajaijjaj | UK is crowded :> | 22:12 |
| stephg | yep, definitely | 22:13 |
| pdanek | Wicklow park must be amazing for mountain biking. | 22:13 |
| ajaijjaj | and it feels that salaries for devs are higher in Ireland than in UK | 22:14 |
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| pdanek | actually the salaries I have seen in UK, in IT, aren't something incredible | 22:15 |
| pdanek | in Prague I could get a lot, with much lower average salary and living costs | 22:15 |
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| pdanek | or even in Warsaw, the salary gap you can get between demanded IT job and some city-average salary, is really big | 22:16 |
| pdanek | the more West you go, smaller gaps in IT vs non-IT | 22:17 |
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| ajaijjaj | there was a discussion at HN about UK salaries https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5804134 | 22:18 |
| stephg | ajaijjaj, can't speak for outside of London, but in London there's a fair disparity in salaries if you're in tech in Finance versus tech everything else | 22:19 |
| pdanek | yea, banks always pay more | 22:20 |
| pdanek | even to admins | 22:20 |
| pdanek | a lot more | 22:20 |
| pdanek | but less interesting jobs usually | 22:20 |
| stephg | definitely | 22:20 |
| stephg | but the difference in London is really rather large | 22:20 |
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| ajaijjaj | stephg: yup, that's what I understood, City is the place to go in London if want a boring job that pays a lot | 22:21 |
| stephg | I'd expect, for example, a python graduate dev in the startup scene to be paid maybe 15k less than they would in a bank | 22:21 |
| stephg | (if you could find a bank progressive enough to be writing in python) | 22:21 |
| stephg | you're talking starting salaries of like 22-25k versus 38-42k | 22:22 |
| stephg | crazy difference | 22:22 |
| stephg | (and really boring work, as you say) | 22:22 |
| pdanek | but differences are much more in poor countries | 22:23 |
| pdanek | in China for example | 22:24 |
| pdanek | in IT I mean | 22:24 |
| pdanek | westerner in needed IT area can get a lot there | 22:24 |
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| pdanek | in comparison to local programmer | 22:24 |
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| pdanek | Actually, friend of mine told me, that in Ukraine, many people don't like people who work in IT. | 22:25 |
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| pdanek | As they feel they get lot of money for nothing. | 22:25 |
| pdanek | While doctors with several degrees get much much less. | 22:26 |
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| ajaijjaj | pdanek: I heard that they our first guys in the town, like rock-stars with new cars and bling, bling, but yeah, can see how others don't like that | 22:35 |
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| tehdely_ | so i smashed up my jolla's screen today and need to send it in for service | 23:42 |
| tehdely_ | who do i contact? | 23:42 |
| tehdely_ | also, I am in the US so this is going to be expensive, but i am going to see it through - it is insured | 23:42 |
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| chem|st | tehdely: care [at] jolla [dot] com | 23:44 |
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| tehdely | thank you | 23:44 |
| tehdely | i'm thinking this may be _easier_ since it's clearly not going to be a warrantable repair | 23:45 |
| chem|st | tehdely: there are no spareparts available yet | 23:45 |
| tehdely | as my jolla did not exactly drop itself out of my pocket and fall on the sidewalk | 23:45 |
| chem|st | I mean available for us to buy in some random shop, I am sure you will get it replaced, but iirc this is like 200eur | 23:46 |
| tehdely | that's fine, insurance should in theory cover it | 23:46 |
| tehdely | i am going to test my policy quite strongly | 23:46 |
| chem|st | :) | 23:46 |
| tehdely | they were willing to insure it even though it was an import. we'll see how they feel about me making an actual claim | 23:46 |
| Yaniel | any guesses if they expected it? :D | 23:49 |
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