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| chem|st | bennypr0fane: the rapoo BT is pretty small, did not get my hands on a US layout yet | 00:03 |
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| nahkiss | There's some fancy 3G/4G switcher on jolla store, anyone tested it? | 07:29 |
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| pp_ | o_O they approved something like that? | 07:30 |
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| pp_ | it's one dbus-send to switch, but it's not operator approved yet so a no-no to actually switch on :-) | 07:31 |
| Sail0r | and you don't get sms and calls when you are in 4G mode | 07:32 |
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| Quu | nahkiss: warehouse. not store | 07:35 |
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| nahkiss | ah right, my mistake | 07:38 |
| Quu | close enough :) | 07:39 |
| rigo | hey, http-redirect should be your friend @jolla | 07:40 |
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| nahkiss | I wonder why I can't get it to work | 07:44 |
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| nahkiss | oh right, I guess it doesn't support DC, but only true LTE | 07:45 |
| nahkiss | so I'm out of zone | 07:45 |
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| tigeli | nahkiss: DC is not LTE :) | 07:51 |
| tigeli | DC is already working with jolla | 07:52 |
| nahkiss | I'm aware that DC is not LTE, the app is 3G/4G switcher and DC is considered "4G" | 07:54 |
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| tigeli | nahkiss: by some people :D | 07:56 |
| tigeli | it's like TDC considered wlan+gsm/umts voice to be 4G :D | 07:56 |
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| Sail0r | Tasklist is the first nice looking native taskapp in store | 10:00 |
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| TheBootroo | ohai | 10:07 |
| TheBootroo | seems my phone has some issues connecting 3G since last udpate | 10:07 |
| TheBootroo | often i get "connection error" | 10:07 |
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| TheBootroo | and sometimes it works fine | 10:07 |
| TheBootroo | i can't use manual selection of operator | 10:08 |
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| TheBootroo | doesn't work, it searches forever, and then when it finally finds a list i don't have time to select, it goes back to previous page | 10:08 |
| TheBootroo | before update, 3G was working quite well | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo | now it seems it can't even connect, but i have more than 60% signal force | 10:10 |
| tachikoma | mine still works fine, but only tried this morning on train and bus | 10:10 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: mine buggued yesterday, worked fine a few hours ago, now bugs again | 10:11 |
| tachikoma | weird | 10:12 |
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| Sail0r | mine is working fine and always connected | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | removed sim card and put it again, now seems to work | 10:12 |
| tachikoma | selfcut? | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: nope | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | oh and i still have google account disconnecting often, i thought it was fixed with last update but seem it's not | 10:14 |
| tachikoma | no google acount for me | 10:15 |
| tachikoma | i quit that with the simple quit message "nsa" ;) | 10:15 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: NSA can watch EVERYTHING on the web | 10:15 |
| TheBootroo | so i won't quit google good webservices for that | 10:16 |
| tachikoma | well, i did not use them, so for me it was just getting rid of clutter anyway, but i thought telling them that the actions of the nsa are a reason for me to actually quit the account is not a bad thing. In the end they are a us company and the nsa is a us agency. | 10:17 |
| tachikoma | Most people from the us i know are not so mad about the nsa spying on foreign people, but they really get angry about the nsa undermining us companies... | 10:18 |
| MMori | Hi all, since the last update there has been a new bug with android apps and automatic display turn off and phone lock. | 10:18 |
| MMori | when the display turns automatically off while using an android app the lock screen will activate but when you open the display again the android app is active and useable until you leave the app | 10:22 |
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| MMori | the lock screen is activated only after you leave or close the android app and return to home screen | 10:23 |
| Yaniel | depends on how long you let it sleep | 10:24 |
| Yaniel | if you wake it up immediately, you get back to the app you were in | 10:24 |
| Yaniel | if you put it in your pocket (cover proximity sensor) or let it sleep for a while it should drop you to the lock screen | 10:25 |
| MMori | but the lock screen should pop up first or not at all | 10:25 |
| MMori | why is it activated to background? | 10:26 |
| Yaniel | hmm? | 10:26 |
| Yaniel | the idea is that you don't need to navigate back to the app if the phone decides to go to sleep while you are reading something etc | 10:26 |
| MMori | yes, but the phone lock does get activated | 10:27 |
| MMori | only in the backgound | 10:28 |
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| TheBootroo | 3G not working agin | 10:36 |
| TheBootroo | not stable at all | 10:36 |
| MMori | if the lock is supposed to activate when the display goes black it should be opened first before navigating back to the program | 10:36 |
| TheBootroo | i have the two triangle + "!" as a connection icon | 10:37 |
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| tachikoma | somehow i always wonder if i got a different phone | 10:37 |
| tachikoma | the bugs i experience are so different ... | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | MMori: do you have a lock code set? | 10:37 |
| MMori | yes | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo | WTFFFF ?! | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo | mobile net settings says 'connected', but status icon is error and all network request fail | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo | tried removing simcard and put back again, worked few minutes, tried rebooting, worked few minutes | 10:39 |
| TheBootroo | really pissing me off | 10:39 |
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| TheBootroo | why the phone asks for reboot after simcard removal ? no hot swap ? | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo | the damn thing's starting to becomee hot as hell | 10:40 |
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| TheBootroo | what the hell is going on ? | 10:40 |
| Nicd- | err | 10:41 |
| Nicd- | you can't hot swap sim cards | 10:41 |
| Nicd- | I don't think you can do that in any phone | 10:41 |
| Yaniel | iirc it is because the android part can't | 10:41 |
| MMori | I could have a banking app or something open and instead of showing the lock it takes me back to the app without asking the code. | 10:41 |
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| TheBootroo | Nicd-: N900 could, N950 could, N9 could | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo | 5800XM could | 10:41 |
| Nicd- | TheBootroo: but with the N900 the SIM was under the battery... | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | Nicd-: nope, was a kind of drawer metallic | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | just like the microSD | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | yep, under the battery | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | quite good system | 10:42 |
| sharpneli | http://www.mobiset.ru/photos/2009/september/25/nokia_n900/p23.jpg | 10:42 |
| sharpneli | Under the battery. | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | well maybe not the N900 | 10:43 |
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| TheBootroo | hotswapping microsd only | 10:43 |
| sharpneli | Yup. | 10:43 |
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| TheBootroo | but on N950 i could hotswap sim as much as i wanted | 10:43 |
| pp_ | hrmn, battery status seems wildly unreliable | 10:43 |
| TheBootroo | pp_: still more reliable than 3G status | 10:44 |
| pp_ | was 60% this morning, now it says "out of battery" but still 45% left | 10:44 |
| TheBootroo | i can't understand why settings says 'active / connected', status icon says 'error', signal is ~60%, and all request fails | 10:45 |
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| TheBootroo | frack, connection is really awful today | 10:57 |
| TheBootroo | 40% signal force, icon status saying bidir communication but webpage won't load, and Friends client says 'unable to connect" | 10:58 |
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| flux | hmm, my android subsystem found a new way to entertain me: whenever I blank the screeen, firefox exits | 11:10 |
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| bwallberg | Hi, is there a Pocket application for Jolla? ( ref. getpocket.com/ ) Just ordered my Jolla a few days ago so I can't check :) | 11:19 |
| Yaniel | never heard | 11:20 |
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| Yaniel | no I don't think there is yet | 11:20 |
| Yaniel | but you can change that! :) | 11:20 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 11:23 |
| bwallberg | I sure can :) They have a very solid API so it shouldn't be a problem :D | 11:23 |
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| Sidde | crap, my phone has started doing random shut downs since last update | 11:30 |
| Sidde | about once a day since 1.0.38 | 11:30 |
| AJAX555 | I wonder if they have sold all those 100 qwerty other halfs in TMO.. | 11:31 |
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| Sail0r | only 51 at the moment AL13N_work | 11:33 |
| Sail0r | -.- | 11:33 |
| Sail0r | AJAX555: | 11:33 |
| AL13N_work | Sail0r: 51? | 11:33 |
| Sail0r | wrong nick | 11:33 |
| Sail0r | sry | 11:33 |
| AL13N_work | % ? | 11:33 |
| Sail0r | 12:31:44 AJAX555: I wonder if they have sold all those 100 qwerty other halfs in TMO.. | 11:34 |
| AJAX555 | Sail0r: okay | 11:34 |
| AJAX555 | guess I could send some money later this week | 11:34 |
| AL13N_work | i had a random reboot too last night... it woke up me and my wife | 11:34 |
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| AL13N_work | but, it was my android | 11:35 |
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| Sail0r | lol | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | and the samsung has a noise it can't turn off | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | pretty loud-ish | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | not gonna put my samsung near my pillow again | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | (the phone is given from work) my boss asked me to do X and Y with my phone for some kind of authentication scheme... and then complained that it was a very slow and old and small phone with only 2.3 android on it | 11:36 |
| AL13N_work | i was like... "why don't you give me a new phone then ???" | 11:37 |
| AL13N_work | he didn't reply | 11:37 |
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| Sail0r | hehe | 11:39 |
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| Sail0r | buy a jolla and give the bill to your boss ;) | 11:39 |
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| tachikoma | battery time got better again? Chraged to 100% yesterday at work and went home. that was around 18:00 | 11:55 |
| tachikoma | today morning at 10:00 it showed 94% charged | 11:55 |
| tachikoma | and it was online with wlan and booked into 3g | 11:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | latest update said TOHdrain was fixed | 11:57 |
| ottulo | seems to have worked pretty well | 11:57 |
| ottulo | they also fixed the stuff about TOH always switching the ambiance when it is replaced, which was annoying :/ | 11:58 |
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| roboro | does anyone else have trouble playing video with particular codecs... | 11:59 |
| tachikoma | i had tohd switched off before, so my battery life was already quite good | 12:00 |
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| ottulo | tachikoma: same here, but I'm happy it's fixed - I had to do a factory reset, and this time there was no need to switch it off manually | 12:01 |
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| tachikoma | i guess i still have tohd disabled/masked | 12:05 |
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| tachikoma | but I doon;t miss it - as long as there is no documentation on toh connection it's kinda useless to me | 12:06 |
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| jubo2 | I have now kmail program that is able to access my email and I've taken all values and double-checked they are entered correctly and still no inbox, no nothing | 12:13 |
| Quu | use gmail like everyone else | 12:13 |
| ko__ | my battery time sucks | 12:14 |
| ko__ | after the update | 12:14 |
| ko__ | charging also seems to take forever | 12:14 |
| roboro | uuurgh gmail... abomination of email | 12:15 |
| ko__ | i re-enabled tohd, so i hope it isn't that | 12:15 |
| Quu | doesnt matter what service you use, NSA can access them all | 12:15 |
| Quu | ko__: its not that | 12:15 |
| ko__ | no, i just re-enabled it, after having updated and trying to charge the phone | 12:16 |
| roboro | meh NSA... everyone freaks out about that and then gladly hand their personal data over to commercial entities anyway | 12:16 |
| ko__ | right after enabling it, battery charging is faster. | 12:16 |
| ko__ | so, uh. I don't know. | 12:16 |
| Quu | ko__: charging is faster? | 12:17 |
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| Quu | how long time you waited to notice that | 12:17 |
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| CvP | hrllo | 12:18 |
| CvP | *e | 12:18 |
| ko__ | Quu: well, faster, or more like actually happening | 12:18 |
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| ko__ | since the update on uh, saturday? | 12:18 |
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| Quu | ok. because battery status gets polled every 5 minutes if 90+% and 1 minutes if 50+% | 12:19 |
| Quu | iirc. | 12:19 |
| ko__ | it's been plugged in to a charger almost all the time, and i was at 10%, only going up to 14% even though it's been plugged in for six hours | 12:19 |
| Quu | oh | 12:19 |
| ko__ | started tohd and now it's at 24% after an hour | 12:19 |
| Quu | i have had some charger problems too | 12:20 |
| Quu | was bad usb-cable, changed it and didnt happen again | 12:20 |
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| ko__ | this same cable charges my n900 and powers a raspberry pi just fine | 12:20 |
| Quu | are you using the jolla charger or something else? | 12:21 |
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| Quu | someone said they had silly problems when using other charger.. :p | 12:21 |
| tachikoma | roboro: saying "everyone" is a bit to broed. Nearly everyone I'd say | 12:23 |
| tachikoma | 'broad' | 12:23 |
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| roboro | heh... true | 12:23 |
| tachikoma | what the nsa should do - just create nsabook and let people sign up themself ... | 12:25 |
| tachikoma | oh wait ... ;) | 12:25 |
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| jubo2 | I assume there is a log file we could look at to figure out what's wrong with the email app | 12:29 |
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| VDVsx_ | jubo2, I told you yesterday how to collect logs, I can help you, in case you want help :) | 12:32 |
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| jubo2 | VDVsx_: I'm sorry. I missed it. | 12:34 |
| VDVsx_ | sec | 12:34 |
| Sidde | roboro: not everyone gladly hand over their data. That is not a valid argument | 12:34 |
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| VDVsx_ | jubo2, http://pastebin.ca/2620697 | 12:34 |
| trevormacro | hello, | 12:35 |
| trevormacro | Is it possible to run mod android application on sailfishOS? | 12:35 |
| trevormacro | if yes how?* | 12:35 |
| VDVsx_ | jubo2, you can send log file to mail-logs at jolla dot com for analyse, better if you re-configure the account after enabling the log to get full setup | 12:35 |
| stephg | trevormacro on the Jolla you can download and install the android compatability layer | 12:35 |
| trevormacro | stephg , where? | 12:36 |
| stephg | don't think it's legally available/will run on other devices | 12:36 |
| stephg | it's in the Jolla Store | 12:36 |
| stephg | published by Jolla | 12:36 |
| trevormacro | why its not possible to run some patched or modded app? | 12:38 |
| stephg | how do you mean? | 12:38 |
| Quu | probably he doesnt even know what he is trying to ask. | 12:38 |
| Quu | because you can run basically any .apk if you know how to | 12:39 |
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| salami` | trevormacro: you can run the app as long as its a proper android app and the apk works | 12:39 |
| Modu | hello | 12:39 |
| tachikoma | is it about running cracked apps, stephg ? | 12:39 |
| trevormacro | yes | 12:39 |
| trevormacro | Look this topic : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92589 | 12:40 |
| Sidde | cracked apps? it's still a apk? | 12:40 |
| tachikoma | i don't know about cracked apps and how it is done, but my understanding is that they get patched so you can playe the full/adfree version without paying | 12:40 |
| Sidde | i'll guess it's up to the crack | 12:40 |
| Sidde | If it does some kind of hack which is not supported in the framwork it might not work | 12:41 |
| Sail0r | maybe it can't access all your local data and send it to the cracker *g* that's the reason why it dies ^^ | 12:41 |
| tachikoma | yeah, i never would trust those | 12:41 |
| tachikoma | I'd already have a hard time trust the original app author | 12:41 |
| tachikoma | trusting | 12:42 |
| Quu | downloading .apk's from russian sites is always fun | 12:42 |
| trevormacro | Sail0r It's the problem but how can we fix this? | 12:42 |
| tachikoma | yeah, right :) | 12:42 |
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| tachikoma | at least i then give my data to the fsdb and not the nsa | 12:42 |
| tachikoma | fsb | 12:42 |
| Sail0r | pay for the apps you want to run ^^ | 12:42 |
| tachikoma | they are not very expensive, are they? | 12:43 |
| trevormacro | Quu what russian site for exemple? what is the best | 12:43 |
| tachikoma | rotfl | 12:43 |
| Sail0r | rofl | 12:43 |
| salami` | heh | 12:43 |
| jubo2 | VDVsx_: bookmarked | 12:43 |
| tachikoma | Iownyourdevice.ru ? ;) | 12:43 |
| Sidde | the android runtime in sailfish is hardcoded to googles DNS servers | 12:43 |
| pp_ | android apps leak your data anyway :-) | 12:43 |
| Sidde | so don't trust the android framework... | 12:43 |
| pp_ | actually would be fun to see cracked binaries that don't | 12:43 |
| tachikoma | yeah, now you can choose to whom :) | 12:43 |
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| pp_ | remove all those six ad networks from angry birds! | 12:44 |
| pp_ | instead, send rovio some bitcoins | 12:44 |
| tachikoma | like a checkbox filed where you can choose whioch sectret service gets your data | 12:44 |
| pp_ | so they get paid, but can't monetize you in any other way | 12:44 |
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| tachikoma | and you get point from them for that - if you reach a certain pointcount, you can redeem them at amazon or so | 12:45 |
| Quu | oh god | 12:45 |
| tachikoma | i so should start my own secret service | 12:45 |
| vanadis | xposed-framework for the android stuff? | 12:45 |
| Quu | he is pm'ng me and asking whats best russian site to download cracked apps | 12:45 |
| Sidde | :D | 12:46 |
| tachikoma | congratulations | 12:46 |
| Sail0r | send him a pwn em all app | 12:46 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 12:46 |
| tachikoma | didn;t Iownyourdevice.ru work? | 12:46 |
| Sidde | what's wrong with a certain bay? | 12:46 |
| tachikoma | so - typing apk and crack into google does give you a lot of highly suspicious sites .... | 12:47 |
| tachikoma | adding 'ru' to the search term .. well ... | 12:47 |
| Sidde | tachikoma: isn't that the problem. To many sites ;) | 12:48 |
| tachikoma | dunno, they sound like they offer a lot of stuff, but i did not click any of them, just judging from the snippets in google search result | 12:48 |
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| stephg | damnit peek has gone again | 12:50 |
| stephg | anyone seen that yet either? | 12:50 |
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| sledges | http://shop.jolla.com/ | 12:51 |
| Quu | oh | 12:51 |
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| Quu | nice | 12:51 |
| Quu | damn | 12:51 |
| Quu | 30e :f | 12:51 |
| tachikoma | wow, new other halfs | 12:51 |
| stephg | oooo | 12:51 |
| tachikoma | do they do anything? | 12:51 |
| Quu | must order now | 12:51 |
| stephg | ditto | 12:52 |
| sledges | before they are sold out | 12:52 |
| Quu | With more than a fresh coat of paint, each colour option packs a unique ambience with custom tones, wallpapers and more. | 12:52 |
| Quu | probably nothing else than ambience | 12:52 |
| tachikoma | yeah | 12:52 |
| tachikoma | thanks but no thanks ;) | 12:52 |
| pp_ | Keira Black and Aloe | 12:52 |
| Quu | the black one would be nice | 12:52 |
| Quu | but i dont know. | 12:52 |
| pp_ | how... <censored>... is that... | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: have you gotten jolla imap email to work with our school's new office 365? | 12:53 |
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| sledges | http://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: haven't tried | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | only mfe | 12:54 |
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| tachikoma | sledges: nice :) | 12:54 |
| stephg | oooooh | 12:54 |
| skvark | ooo | 12:55 |
| Quu | 0e shipping | 12:55 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: can't get the imap to send anything, just says "problem with sign-in" | 12:55 |
| tachikoma | ohooo :) | 12:55 |
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| Quu | lol those sample ringtones on those TOH's | 12:56 |
| stephg | right other halves ordered, back to broken peeking | 12:56 |
| Quu | stephg: both? :) | 12:56 |
| stephg | ja | 12:56 |
| stephg | I've already scratched my white one | 12:56 |
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| tachikoma | lol | 12:56 |
| Quu | same. | 12:56 |
| tachikoma | what is that __MACOSX folder supposed to do? | 12:57 |
| tachikoma | uhhhhhhhhhh .stl | 12:57 |
| stephg | just means the zip was made on a mac | 12:57 |
| stephg | ignre it | 12:57 |
| tachikoma | alright | 12:57 |
| stephg | so I can swipe back to multi tasking but to do it I have to do it very quickly | 12:57 |
| stephg | I can no longer peek to the multitasking screen | 12:57 |
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| stephg | though peeking to the notification screen works | 12:57 |
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| stephg | however horizonal gestures work in the apps | 12:58 |
| stephg | looks like I can't swipe down to close | 12:59 |
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| Quu | ok, probably all TOH's will be 29e then | 13:01 |
| pp_ | qwerty one would be a bargain :-) | 13:02 |
| stephg | hehe | 13:02 |
| pp_ | suppose a wireless charger one too | 13:02 |
| Quu | well those "basic" ones | 13:03 |
| Quu | without any special hardware | 13:03 |
| tachikoma | i want querty toh | 13:03 |
| Quu | same | 13:03 |
| tachikoma | i already was close to buy such a thing to built one myself: | 13:03 |
| tachikoma | http://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Keyboard-Buddy-iPhone-Case/dp/B004L0K3KW | 13:04 |
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| Quu | 2-3 weeks. | 13:08 |
| Quu | pft | 13:08 |
| kehnoo | highly recommend that black toh, it looks great ;) | 13:08 |
| tango_ | anything looks great compared to the white toh | 13:09 |
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| tango_ | (tfo is decent-looking) | 13:10 |
| svuorela | can't the white ones be put on sale as well ? | 13:10 |
| Quu | probably will | 13:10 |
| Nicd- | what are we talking about? | 13:10 |
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| Nicd- | OHs where? | 13:10 |
| Quu | Nicd-: new TOH's on site | 13:11 |
| svuorela | it looks like it could be a great base for meeting a spray can of paint | 13:11 |
| tango_ | svuorela: lol | 13:11 |
| Quu | svuorela: that might be why its not on sale :p | 13:11 |
| Nicd- | oh jolla shop | 13:11 |
| Nicd- | I have to buy the black one <3_<3 | 13:11 |
| svuorela | but I better go get me one of the new ones - my boss is frequently showing off his orange toh. | 13:12 |
| sharpneli | The black one looks cool | 13:13 |
| sharpneli | But it doesn't have the douchebag factor of The First One half has | 13:13 |
| jubo2 | Now I notice "16 new emails" | 13:13 |
| jubo2 | this means it's started to work | 13:13 |
| sledges | svuorela: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jayyTUy3GTw&t=6m45s | 13:13 |
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| kehnoo | I think these colored other halves are good solution with my "gotta have em all" -problem with colors | 13:14 |
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| svuorela | sledges: but I would like to only do such experiments if I had a spare one for when it fails | 13:14 |
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| sledges | svuorela: if it fails, you peel it off ;) | 13:15 |
| rcg | Nicd-, fwiw, i didn't have a shutdown since i installed the latest update | 13:15 |
| rcg | jfyi | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | rcg: I've had | 13:16 |
| rcg | hmmz :/ | 13:16 |
| Nicd- | current uptime is 3 days 16 hours | 13:16 |
| kehnoo | by problem I mean https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78440257/DSC07168.jpg | 13:16 |
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| rcg | Nicd-, hmm nearly the same for me | 13:17 |
| Quu | hmm, i hope the black one is made from black plastic | 13:17 |
| rcg | but i don't recall when i booted it the last time xD | 13:17 |
| Quu | and not from clear like orange one | 13:17 |
| kehnoo | how do I find out? I have one | 13:17 |
| Nicd- | rcg: let's see how this continues | 13:17 |
| rcg | Nicd-, *nod* | 13:17 |
| Nicd- | going to push an update to SailTime soon :) | 13:18 |
| sledges | Quu: material is written in the shop | 13:18 |
| Quu | oh. | 13:18 |
| Quu | yeah, seems like it | 13:18 |
| s1gk1ll | is it possible to buy only a TOH cover? | 13:18 |
| Quu | yes. | 13:19 |
| jubo2 | also outgoing email is working | 13:19 |
| Quu | since 25min ago | 13:19 |
| s1gk1ll | Quu: when é addthe | 13:19 |
| s1gk1ll | oops, by default the site also adds a jolla phone | 13:20 |
| svuorela | can I somehow extract the clear-text credentials used for logins from the phone ? | 13:20 |
| s1gk1ll | you can just reduce to 0 unit and it gets ok | 13:20 |
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| tachikoma | i kinda like the white toh ... | 13:21 |
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| skvark | just last weekend I ordered parts for new TOHs, perfect timing | 13:25 |
| skvark | gonna test those official 3d models today | 13:26 |
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| Sail0r | http://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit | 13:29 |
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| svuorela | ..is jolla still using fedex to send out stuff ? | 13:32 |
| Sail0r | the black ringtone is cool | 13:32 |
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| anonfriese | humm, the black toh is pretty, but the blue one is also nice... humm, should i buy both? not that i already have the white one and the le toh... | 13:36 |
| Quu | anonfriese: gotta catch em all | 13:36 |
| vivia | white toh makes the phone look like an othello disc | 13:37 |
| anonfriese | humm, i like the white one. looks kinda professional, so i use it for work :) | 13:38 |
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| svuorela | vivia: lol. haven't thought of that before now. | 13:40 |
| anonfriese | humm, the black one looks cool, but the blue one has a nice ringtone :) | 13:40 |
| svuorela | ..and haven't played othello for ages. | 13:40 |
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| vivia | svuorela: have you ever played any otb tournaments or only on the computer? | 13:42 |
| svuorela | vivia: I've played in a couple of tournaments in denmark ~12y ago | 13:44 |
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| newin | hey all ! | 13:44 |
| vivia | svuorela: oh, i started much later, don't think i've met you :) | 13:46 |
| anonfriese | huh? order status = suspected fraud? | 13:47 |
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| Quu | anonfriese: lol? | 13:48 |
| anonfriese | paid with paypal and used the same jolla account/adress i used for ordering my jolla... | 13:48 |
| anonfriese | let's see if status changes soon... | 13:49 |
| Quu | i did the same | 13:49 |
| Quu | and i have "paid" | 13:49 |
| svuorela | I'm also in suspectedfraud | 13:49 |
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| vivia | wild guess, maybe you have different shipping and billing addresses? | 13:49 |
| svuorela | I do. | 13:50 |
| anonfriese | the payment also shows up on my paypal page... | 13:50 |
| svuorela | and I also spent 100 attempts at logging in on the shop | 13:50 |
| anonfriese | i don't | 13:50 |
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| mcfrisk | is tracker in 1.0.3.8 really buggy? having hard time scanning sdcard for music and videos, now also photos from emails dont get into gallery app view | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: tracker was buggy from the beginning | 14:13 |
| mcfrisk | sigh | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://jolla.com/the-other-half-specification-community-license | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | - thoughts? | 14:14 |
| chem|st | I had no version yet but the 1.0.3.8 which did not need a reset from time to time | 14:14 |
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| Acce | Stskeeps: Am I getting this page right: https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=21869 , there is no support for HID profiles, ie. no support for BT keyboards? | 14:15 |
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| Acce | or just no license for HID? | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | thank you, somebody is reading those things :) | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Acce: it probably means that it wasn't certified as in, not working within U | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | I | 14:15 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: it's short, so it's a good sign, at first sight | 14:16 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: that reads like "do not sell TOH with your stuff on but we are happy to grant you license to tinker with it and produce new TOH yourself" | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm http://shop.jolla.com/cat-the-other-half/the-other-half-keira-black.html "Get Jolla and The Other Half in Keira Black or Aloe for just 419 €" looks like a typo | 14:16 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: do I read the license correctly to say "do what you want as long as you don't sue others who does as they want" | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | ah wait, reading comprehension | 14:17 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: but if there is firmware support, it could be hacked to work? since Bluez supports it | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: probably | 14:17 |
| svuorela | oh wait. there is also a money clause. | 14:17 |
| merlin1991 | it's not 2 other halfs but a jolla + oh :D | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: it's a linux device with bluez | 14:17 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: is there another license to agree with if one wants to make a business out of doing other halfs or services for other halfs ? | 14:18 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: 399+29-9discount | 14:18 |
| svuorela | ...and do you expect it to be a problem with having third parties making other halfs ? | 14:18 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: it is a jolla with white toh+ the black toh | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: well, i'm not a lawyer or invovled with TOH, but i presume there's another type of agreement for commercial usage | 14:18 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: anyways. my thoughts are that it fails my opensource and opensource-friendly definitions. | 14:19 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: applying teh fosdem coupon code does work despite it was said to not be working with other discounts | 14:19 |
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| Quu | chem|st: you want -40e from 29e device? | 14:20 |
| Quu | ok | 14:20 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: it has bluez, but that only means the kernel supports it, I think.. what about the firmware of the BT chip? | 14:20 |
| chem|st | Quu: device+toh gives a 9eur discount | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: yeah, CC NC does that too, somewhat | 14:20 |
| chem|st | Quu: you then may apply teh fosdem code | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | my own, personal, opinion is that it makes sure communities and power users can tinker; while making sure there's a business model for commercial parties | 14:21 |
| Quu | chem|st: oh, i misread :p | 14:21 |
| chem|st | they better have some fancy stuff in the pipes for ltd toh and new ones 29eur is not even close to what that thing costs | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo | when will store open for OtherHalf with all the colors we saw in the past ? (coffee, purple, lime, etc) | 14:22 |
| jubo2 | I've now added our school's exchange server as an MSFT Exchange server.. I'm missing where is the Exchange app or where is it supposed to show me my email and calendar? | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | ah, nice other halves | 14:23 |
| roboro | mmmm other halves that change my ambience don't really grab me... | 14:23 |
| * roboro waits for something a little bit more substantial | 14:24 | |
| salami` | jubo2: mail & calendar app | 14:24 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: if they want to sell them for 29 in the future they need to prepare content and features first | 14:24 |
| chem|st | gues teh design department is a bit faster than the feature developers | 14:24 |
| rigo | chem|st: but they need to make some money in order to be able to re-invest | 14:24 |
| * ggabriel likes the black one | 14:25 | |
| fk_lx | 29 EUR for TOH?!? | 14:25 |
| chem|st | rigo: I ordered two... as investment in my personal phone future | 14:25 |
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| mcfrisk | ok, so 1.0.3.8 needs reboots to fix the tracker problems.. | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | price is a bit steep, yeah | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | i still like them :P | 14:26 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: no... tracker-control -es | 14:27 |
| fk_lx | ggabriel: produciton cost of such thing with one nfc tag is probably a few EUR | 14:27 |
| chem|st | fk_lx: cents... | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | fk_lx: i'm not disagreeing | 14:28 |
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| Quu | they need to get money from somewhere to pay all that loan | 14:28 |
| matoking | I just uploaded the first version of my file manager application to OpenRepos | 14:28 |
| merlin1991 | hm did somebody post already that the other half sdk pdf has the external charger section duplicated into the cover power section? | 14:28 |
| matoking | https://openrepos.net/content/matoking/filetug is the link if anyone wants to give it a try | 14:28 |
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| Sail0r | the toh is not only the plastic thing it self but also special ringtones (which somebody must record), artwork (which also somebody must do) | 14:29 |
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| mcfrisk | chem|st: yes when tracker-control -es says Could not create proxy on the D-Bus session bus, Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Files: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildSignaled: Process /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs received signal 13 | 14:29 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: then you are root... | 14:30 |
| fk_lx | Sail0r: considering selling lot of them - cost of such ringtones and wallpapers is still few EUR | 14:30 |
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| Sail0r | you have not to pay for a toh if you don't want them | 14:30 |
| mcfrisk | chem|st: nope, I was nemo | 14:30 |
| Sail0r | In my opinion the price is fair | 14:30 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: hmm what happens as root? the same? | 14:30 |
| tachikoma | 29 euro is ok for the whole thing | 14:31 |
| mcfrisk | chem|st: didn't try, gave up and rebooted | 14:31 |
| Quu | yeah, 29e is not too much | 14:31 |
| Quu | but it could be 10e less | 14:31 |
| tachikoma | if i want cheap stuff i order from china import shops | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | you can wait and the price will go down :) | 14:31 |
| Sail0r | when jolla grows up maybe we can get cheaper tohs | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | also, there's the sdk, you can make your own | 14:31 |
| fk_lx | Sail0r: maybe for Finns ;-) | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | sdk? toh specs rather | 14:32 |
| Sail0r | and there is also the possibility to print it yourself | 14:32 |
| tachikoma | hdk | 14:32 |
| tachikoma | hardware development kit | 14:32 |
| tachikoma | :) | 14:32 |
| tachikoma | Sail0r: guess what I'm about to do ;) | 14:32 |
| Sail0r | so everyone is happy | 14:33 |
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| tachikoma | since i got the phone i am basically happy with it, yes | 14:33 |
| fk_lx | Quu: I agree that 19 EUR would be fair | 14:33 |
| Sail0r | I decided to support Jolla and got a black one xD | 14:33 |
| tachikoma | I'd get one if I'd like the colors | 14:33 |
| tachikoma | but black is boring and the mint is ugly ;) | 14:33 |
| tachikoma | (my opinion) | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: black is cool indeed | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | i may give me a present | 14:34 |
| tachikoma | I's love to have a transparent though | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | you never know | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: that's not a bad idea at all | 14:34 |
| Sail0r | I don't like the transparents have seen a few on TMO | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | same plastic quality tho? | 14:34 |
| tachikoma | Sail0r: i was not aware those existed | 14:35 |
| Sail0r | some people already printed their own | 14:35 |
| kehnoo | needs more hot pink | 14:36 |
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| tachikoma | yes, i was waiting for the stp files, now i need to wait to get a day in a fablab here where the printer is not in use and then i have to actually understand what i am about to do ;) | 14:36 |
| * TheBootroo in love with Keira Black + Urban Wallpaper ambience | 14:36 | |
| tachikoma | i might lik some lemon green color or something purpleish | 14:36 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: maybe coffee one ? | 14:37 |
| TheBootroo | IIRC it was lovely | 14:37 |
| tachikoma | nah, that reminds me too much of s**t | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: you want tachikoma coloured other halves? :-) | 14:37 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: mh, not really ;) | 14:37 |
| tachikoma | don;t like impostors :) | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | i can't remember them | 14:38 |
| tachikoma | light blue | 14:38 |
| tachikoma | i actually would like a grey one i think | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | i don't want any flashy color | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: apply dirt to snow white? | 14:38 |
| Sail0r | https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCLMQjtdGAw-s5Y&w=377&h=197&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBaDpujsIAAATNnY.jpg&cfs=1 | 14:38 |
| TheBootroo | i want black, grey, white, coffee or grayish blue (electric) | 14:38 |
| tachikoma | well, if I'd go to sotshi to watch the olympics i would have to get a rainbow colored one ;) | 14:38 |
| Sail0r | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/p350x350/1425796_649827775040245_1432755317_n.jpg | 14:39 |
| Sail0r | :) | 14:39 |
| TheBootroo | Sail0r: my eyes hurt T_T | 14:39 |
| Sail0r | :P | 14:39 |
| tachikoma | pink can be nice | 14:39 |
| Sail0r | and lime green http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/11/29/jolla-phone-london-2013-12.jpg | 14:39 |
| * tachikoma bought recently purple and pink leds ... | 14:39 | |
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| tachikoma | Sail0r: tha is nice but I'd like it brighter | 14:40 |
| Waitee | is it just me or does the other halfs seem a bit meh | 14:40 |
| Sail0r | ? | 14:41 |
| tachikoma | depends on what 'meh' means i guess | 14:41 |
| Waitee | dissapointed | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | Waitee: nope, nice colors, nice wallpapers | 14:41 |
| Waitee | 30e for a coloured backplate | 14:41 |
| tachikoma | mh, up to now, i think yes | 14:41 |
| TheBootroo | obvously we are still waiting for hardware adding OTH | 14:42 |
| Sail0r | people paid much more to wrap there siemens c45 | 14:42 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | but these won't probalbly come from Jolla | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | you don't have to get it tho | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | they have too much to do on the OS side | 14:42 |
| Waitee | never heard of anyone with a siemens c45 | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | and you have the dev kit to print your own | 14:42 |
| Waitee | to be honest | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | you can ask apple to give you the tech details of their silly iphone cable for instnace | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | so let's put thing sin perspective | 14:42 |
| * Plnt used to have siemens s45 :) | 14:43 | |
| Waitee | i dont see a reason why would we compare jolla and apple | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | i'm waiting : keyboard OTH, extra battery + wireless / solar charging OTH, killer camera + lens protector + photo button + grip OTH, and finally orientable kickstand OTH | 14:44 |
| Waitee | they have totally different business model | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | could put 20 -> 150 € on each | 14:44 |
| Sail0r | you can buy a keyboard toh at tmo | 14:44 |
| Morpog_Jolla | black one ordered :D | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | Sail0r: i don't really like it | 14:44 |
| * ggabriel isn't comparing apple and jolla, just putting things in perspective in the mobile world | 14:44 | |
| TheBootroo | too small | 14:44 |
| tachikoma | I'm just waiting for other halfs for hundreds of dollars - designed by some hyped artist that creates horribly bad pictures on any kind of device for a living | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | picasso TOH | 14:44 |
| Waitee | we could compare jolla and neo900 for example | 14:45 |
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| Sail0r | @ TheBootroo you cry for keyboard toh and the one which comes out you don't like? ^^ | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: go ahead i guess | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | i want a real keyboard other half too | 14:45 |
| TheBootroo | Sail0r: yeh, not my fault if the guy made a too small keypad | 14:45 |
| Sail0r | make your own ;) | 14:45 |
| Waitee | keyboard toh would be nice | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | maybe waiting for what's coming up, reading reviews, etc | 14:45 |
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| TheBootroo | Sail0r: i don't have electronic skill, only design + dev ones | 14:45 |
| Sail0r | teamup with someone who does the hardware part "together" you know ;) | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: i think the tmo other half is great | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | it's a starting point anyway | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | better things should come | 14:46 |
| Waitee | it's a nice phone though but i still think i would've got more with the same money if i would've chosen say nexus 4 instead | 14:46 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: which one is that? | 14:46 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: i would need to see a recent render anyway | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | saw the one on vimeo? | 14:46 |
| TheBootroo | the ones i saw were like N900 keyboard fitted in square box with huge bezel | 14:47 |
| * ggabriel in a meeting, sorry can't find it now | 14:47 | |
| Sail0r | Waitee: it depends on what you expect | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: yup, that one | 14:47 |
| TheBootroo | could use better the space to create bigger keys | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | but it's a start :) | 14:47 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: ok so that's what i said : not what i need | 14:47 |
| Sail0r | I sold my s3 for the jolla and don't regret it | 14:47 |
| TheBootroo | i have big fingers | 14:47 |
| Waitee | Sail0r: true | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: yup, hence i'm waiting | 14:47 |
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| TheBootroo | i need something at least bigger than Jolla VKBD, else it's pointless | 14:47 |
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| Waitee | well of the physical keyboard all i need is the tactility so i can feel when i've pressed a key and i dont have to look at the keyboard to type | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | i think my req's are more like: i want something i can touch :P | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: +1 | 14:48 |
| Waitee | the vkb of jolla is the best one i've tried so far | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | i miss swype in the vkb tho :( | 14:49 |
| Sail0r | Waitee: true | 14:49 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: guess i got it | 14:49 |
| Waitee | i never got used to swype | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | altho swype is good for english only | 14:49 |
| kehnoo | I've got wallet TOH, stuffed 10 e bill between the phone and TOH for emergency beer needs | 14:49 |
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| Waitee | nice one | 14:49 |
| tachikoma | the hard part is t o find an existing keyboard fitting a 5'' phone | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | kehnoo: i thought about that, not sure why i haven't done it yet | 14:49 |
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| tachikoma | if you don;t want to built one completely from scratch | 14:50 |
| Waitee | gotta design toh with a money clip | 14:50 |
| kehnoo | ggabriel, it makes the phone spin on tables | 14:50 |
| Waitee | my friend could print it i guess | 14:50 |
| Waitee | brb | 14:50 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: this one i want http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/BVP8L32CMAE3mez.png-large.png | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | only a designer concept ATM | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | but nice | 14:52 |
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| TheBootroo | no useless space around, big bold black keys | 14:53 |
| TheBootroo | i love it | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: nice, no camera tho | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | or rather: camera if keyboard is open | 14:53 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: i don't use cam every day, and when i will, i would like a camera specific otherhalf, with lens, optics, and shutter button, and lens protector like on N900 | 14:54 |
| TheBootroo | one use, one other half | 14:54 |
| TheBootroo | that's my will | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 14:54 |
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| TheBootroo | where can i get that awesome wallpaper ? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfowCdtCIAAChMH.png | 14:57 |
| roboro | TheBootroo: lens protector is something that they should really include on most of these TOHs... they could use the GPIO to make it act as a switch to activate camera/torch | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | yey | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: you get that by buying the other half :) | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | let's do it | 14:58 |
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| Yaniel | "They should totally sell those... oh" | 14:59 |
| tachikoma | yes, i want this keyboard toh TheBootroo posted | 15:00 |
| tachikoma | now! | 15:00 |
| * tachikoma gets ready to throw money at someone | 15:00 | |
| Yaniel | it actually fits the style of the device quite well | 15:00 |
| Yaniel | and now there are specs :3 | 15:00 |
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| rangoy | i'm also ready to throw some money if someone can deliver a keyb toh, almost regardless specs | 15:01 |
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| FireFly | TheBootroo: maybe even cut off the remaining space and go with a matrix like the N900's keyborad? | 15:03 |
| FireFly | keyboard* | 15:03 |
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| TheBootroo | hehe, back with an order to watch | 15:04 |
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| TheBootroo | status: "Paid" | 15:04 |
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| TheBootroo | dat deja vu feeling :-D | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | oh no, not again! :) | 15:05 |
| tachikoma | Where is my other half!!!! :) | 15:06 |
| Morpog_Jolla | lol | 15:06 |
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| TheBootroo | tachikoma: \ooooooo/ | 15:06 |
| tachikoma | yeah | 15:06 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: Soon!(TM) | 15:06 |
| Quu | valve-tomorrow. | 15:06 |
| * tachikoma looks for chuck norris ... | 15:07 | |
| tachikoma | must be some maemo/meego culture thing, i remember those threads in anticipation of maemo updates .... | 15:07 |
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| TheBootroo | hey, just wondered if my order makes me the first one with a Keira Black OTH ? | 15:08 |
| Sail0r | lol | 15:08 |
| tachikoma | nope, they check who you are, realise it's much more fun to fuckup you delivery and then just do that ;) | 15:08 |
| Sail0r | rangoy: have a look at tmo for keyboard tho ^^ | 15:09 |
| Sail0r | *toh | 15:09 |
| chem|st | did anyone recognize that the SKU of all items has a date formatting like Oct 31st 2013 for TOHs and Oct 11th 2013? | 15:09 |
| chem|st | plus 3 digits | 15:09 |
| TheBootroo | chem|st: O.o | 15:09 |
| rangoy | Sail0r: tmo? | 15:09 |
| Sail0r | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 | 15:10 |
| Sail0r | tmo talk.maemo.org | 15:10 |
| TheBootroo | chem|st: Keira Black OTH = 311013109 | 15:10 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: SKUs follow an logistics program format usually... | 15:10 |
| TheBootroo | chem|st: The Jolla + White OTH = 1110131001 | 15:10 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: 31/10/13 and 11/10/13 | 15:11 |
| tachikoma | must be some illuminati thingy ;) | 15:11 |
| TheBootroo | chem|st: why not 04/02/14 for Keira BLACK ? | 15:11 |
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| TheBootroo | they were ready since october 2013 ? | 15:12 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: as it was stocked the same day as the others | 15:12 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: i found this only after waiting for the jolla phone in dexember: | 15:12 |
| tachikoma | http://xkcd.com/281/ | 15:12 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: i lol'd | 15:12 |
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| TheBootroo | new vkbd for Qt, maybe jolla can inspire from it (even if already the best i use to have) http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2014/02/04/new-virtual-keyboard-for-qt-enterprise/ | 15:13 |
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| Tofe | TheBootroo: what advantage over the maliit/qml keyboard that is used with Sailfish ? | 15:32 |
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| TheBootroo | Tofe: dunno, but it's stock Qt now, one less middleware to add | 15:37 |
| walokra | "now" is relatively | 15:37 |
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| Acce | isn't the enterprise stuff somehow closed? | 15:38 |
| tachikoma | no, "enterprise" means 'is expensive and does not work' | 15:39 |
| tachikoma | aka "whoever buys it does not have to use it" | 15:39 |
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| tachikoma | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Foto-auf-der-elektronischen-Gesundheitskarte-sorgt-weiter-fuer-Verwirrung-2105158.html | 15:40 |
| tachikoma | ups | 15:40 |
| Waitee | at least red hat enterprise linux works fine | 15:40 |
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| Waitee | and community enterprise operating system (centos) works fine too | 15:40 |
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| tachikoma | i obviously forgot the smileys ;) | 15:41 |
| Waitee | ;) | 15:41 |
| Waitee | but you're right :D | 15:41 |
| matoking | I somehow managed to do this http://imgur.com/uEpYawf | 15:41 |
| matoking | :/ | 15:41 |
| virtuald | tachikoma: is that about medical records? | 15:42 |
| tachikoma | nopw, about the new german medical care id card | 15:42 |
| Waitee | matoking: lol | 15:42 |
| Waitee | people camera | 15:42 |
| tachikoma | they need to have a picture - but it is not checked if the picture is actually you | 15:42 |
| Plnt | matoking: that seems like a nice replacement for the missing app icon folders.. ;] | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | matoking: good effort | 15:43 |
| tachikoma | so - as i have not sent a picture yet - i can now safely send one of darth vader and see if i get that on my card | 15:43 |
| matoking | That issue was easily fixed | 15:43 |
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| matoking | But I'm starting to miss it | 15:43 |
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| ggabriel | i miss my jolla, which i left at home | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | it was ~40% battery, and i'm coming back tomorrow | 15:44 |
| virtuald | enterprise means you get what you're buying, if you don't know what you're paying for, then you will not get what you expect | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | so let's see how it goes | 15:44 |
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| virtuald | why do they need picture on the medical care id? can't they use drivers license, national id or passport for that purpose? | 15:46 |
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| tachikoma | virtuald: don;t ask me, i don;t like it and therefor just did not sent a picture | 15:46 |
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| tachikoma | now I'll just send some random one, just to see what will happen | 15:47 |
| virtuald | try bigfoot, a drop bear or something | 15:47 |
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| jubo2 | 'k .. got the Exchange syncing my calendar and email :D | 16:08 |
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| Quu | only took 3 days | 16:13 |
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| Quu | hurray | 16:13 |
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| chem|st | matoking: happened to me quiet often... just edit again | 16:15 |
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| Kabouik | Hi guys. Small question to your linux guys, it's kinda off-topic but I'm sure you all know | 16:16 |
| Kabouik | I want to install a Linux distrib as a dual boot on my Windows machine. I freed 18 GB (10 for / and 8 for swap (to allow hibernation) | 16:16 |
| Kabouik | Can I make a small partition for /home, and then mount my Windows Documents into /home to actually use the Windows NTFS partition? | 16:17 |
| Kabouik | I have no HDD space left | 16:17 |
| salami` | Kabouik: technically yes | 16:17 |
| Kabouik | But? | 16:18 |
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| salami` | you could mount the ntfs disk somewhere and symlink windows documents to /home/user/somedir | 16:18 |
| Kabouik | If I recall correctly, ntfs-3g is beta, but working properly enough | 16:18 |
| salami` | it works fine, at least for me | 16:18 |
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| Abby22 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 16:18 |
| Kabouik | Ok, thanks! | 16:18 |
| salami` | with that kind of setup I wouldnt make a separate partition for /home | 16:19 |
| Kabouik | I'm not sure how to do the mount/symlink steps (apart from editing the fstab file for the automount), so perhaps you'll see me again someday :P | 16:19 |
| ortylp | Kabouik: the solution with symlink is safer IMHO | 16:19 |
| Kabouik | Oh, so I let /home in /, and just mount Windows D: to /home? | 16:19 |
| Sail0r | how much do they get from spamming these links? | 16:19 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 16:19 |
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| Quu | Aard: please ban the abby* :| | 16:20 |
| salami` | you can mount D: to /home/<user> but I would not recommend it | 16:20 |
| salami` | but /home/<user>/windows instead | 16:20 |
| Kabouik | Should I symlink instead? | 16:21 |
| Kabouik | Well, perhaps not "instead", but additionally | 16:21 |
| ortylp | Kabouik: salami` is right :D | 16:21 |
| Kabouik | What difference would that make? | 16:21 |
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| Kabouik | I'd like the /home/Videos folder to match the D:\My Videos, for instance | 16:21 |
| salami` | then go with symlinking | 16:22 |
| Quu | salami kirkkaalta taivaalta | 16:22 |
| Quu | +a | 16:22 |
| Quu | i cannot even | 16:22 |
| salami` | mount D: to /mnt/windows or something and symlink /mnt/windows/My Videos => /home/<user>/Videos | 16:22 |
| Kabouik | Alright. I'm going to install the distribution first, with no dedicated /home partition, and then we'll see! :P | 16:22 |
| salami` | pm me if you need help | 16:22 |
| ortylp | Kabouik: ln -sf "/mnt/MyWidowsD/My Video" /home/<user>/Videos | 16:23 |
| Kabouik | Ok. And so, no dedicated partition for /home, despite it being used for a lot of stuff in addition to the D:\Folders? | 16:23 |
| joonahoi | Kabouik: remember the user part in the path | 16:23 |
| Kabouik | Yes | 16:23 |
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| joonahoi | also remember that you are going to need that /home/<user> directory for all the application settings etc | 16:24 |
| joonahoi | and you will want it to have the access control schema | 16:25 |
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| Kabouik | Yes joonahoi, that'w why I was wondering wether I would need a dedicated /home partition (even small) in case I need to format /, while keeping my settings | 16:25 |
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| salami` | ive ran to some fancy problems with symlinking another hdd to a small partition | 16:26 |
| Kabouik | I guess I can just copy /home prior to format / if I need to | 16:26 |
| Kabouik | /home/user sorry | 16:26 |
| salami` | yeah tar it and put it somewhere safe :) | 16:26 |
| Kabouik | Alright | 16:27 |
| Kabouik | Let's install Mint first, I've got some problems with my Bios so it's not done yet | 16:27 |
| Kabouik | (When I try to enter Bios settings, the computer hangs... It didn't do that before, till today) | 16:27 |
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| Kabouik | So I have trouble setting the Bios properly to boot on the flash disk | 16:27 |
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| Kabouik | Back. I'm currently on the LiveCD of Linux but I face an unexpected problem, if any of those who helped me a few minutes ago is OK for some more help by PM | 17:01 |
| Yaniel | there is no "LiveCD of Linux" | 17:02 |
| Yaniel | and a lot of variation between distros | 17:02 |
| Kabouik | Of the Linux Distribution I chose.* | 17:02 |
| Yaniel | which is? | 17:02 |
| Kabouik | Mint 16 | 17:02 |
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| minimec | Kabouik: HI. And what is the problem you face? | 17:03 |
| Yaniel | there. now if you describe the problem shortly someone might even have an idea about what's going on :) | 17:03 |
| Kabouik | I was going to, but it is off-topic, hence I asked if any of those I discussed with a few minutes ago would go PM with me | 17:04 |
| Kabouik | But I can explain here, no prob! | 17:04 |
| Kabouik | But my problem is unrelated to the distro, It's just that current Windows machine come with a bazillion of partitions, and now I'm confused about one. I'm not sure I created it by mistake in gParted, or if it's some sort of recovery/boot partition that I should NOT touch. The size is 8000 MB (which is the size I set for one, the swap), but the filesystem apparently is "biosgrub", which worries me. I don't find any "swap" in the table so I might just ha | 17:05 |
| Kabouik | ve messed up with the filesystem of the new partition I created, but I want to be sure before I reformat this 8GB-partition | 17:05 |
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| Yaniel | Kabouik: are you still at a point where you can undo your changes? | 17:08 |
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| Kabouik | Nope, it's from a previous attempt (but the laptop froze up at the next step so I had to hard reboot). That's why I am not sure I created this 8GB-biosgrub instead of a 8GB-swap, or whether it was there in the first place | 17:09 |
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| Yaniel | hard to guess | 17:10 |
| Yaniel | "8GB biosgrub" could be anything | 17:10 |
| Kabouik | To be honest I am (negatively) amazed by the number of partitions I can see here in gParted. Windows machines now come with like 10 partitions, all hidden from the user. | 17:10 |
| vivia | Kabouik: what if you dd that into another larger partition and try turning it into swap then see how windows will react? | 17:10 |
| Yaniel | can you post a list of the partitions? | 17:10 |
| Yaniel | about 3 partitions seems to be quite normal | 17:11 |
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| Kabouik | Biosgrub filesystem isn't specific to Linux then? Could be there by default on my Widows machine. | 17:11 |
| Kabouik | ? | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | I have no idea what biosgrub means there, never heard that name used before | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | windows is usually just ntfs | 17:12 |
| Yaniel | or fat32 or exfat | 17:12 |
| Quu | yeah, even the 100mb hidden partitions | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | plus one EFI partition if you have UEFI instead of BIOS | 17:14 |
| Kabouik | How can I check that in terminal to paste it on pastebin? lsblk doesn't return full information, neither does fdisk -l | 17:14 |
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| Kabouik | (Not sure how to know whether I have UEFI instead of BIOS by the way) | 17:15 |
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| Yaniel | since you mention fdisk, likely BIOS | 17:16 |
| Kabouik | Ah? Is it related? I'm just messing with the terminal in the LiveCD, trying to use commands I've used on N900/N9/Jolla in the past | 17:17 |
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| Yaniel | for me fdisk -l shows all but the partition names | 17:18 |
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| Kabouik | It only shows a warning followed by the total size of /dev/sda in my case, and then lists /dev/sda1 under "Device boot", not the like ten other partitions | 17:19 |
| Kabouik | And the warning is the following: sudo fdisk -l | 17:19 |
| Kabouik | WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | oh | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | so it is a GPT disk | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | not MBR | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | use gdisk instead of fdisk then | 17:19 |
| Kabouik | Makes me worry about something else: I think I read somewhere that Grub doesn't support GPT, and then I may lost the Windows entry in the boot menu | 17:20 |
| Kabouik | Which I don't want to | 17:20 |
| Kabouik | gdisk: command not found | 17:20 |
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| Yaniel | anyway lsblk --output NAME,PARTLABEL,FSTYPE should tell you what you need | 17:21 |
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| Kabouik | It doesn't fill the LABEL and FSTYPE columns. I can have filesystem with -f argument though | 17:23 |
| Yaniel | s/PARTLABEL/LABEL | 17:23 |
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| Yaniel | and SIZE might be useful too | 17:23 |
| Kabouik | Doesn't work, I used LABEL instead of PARTLABEL (this column doesn't exist), but it leaves all columns empty | 17:24 |
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| minimec | Kabouik: I do understand your worries. My advise is to install Mint without any 'physical' swap partition. After the installation you have two choices. You can either create a swap-file (with similar performance), or simply install 'zram-config' (sudo apt-get install zram-config). The later option will create a compressed swap in your RAM. Like that your 8Gb stays untouched for the moment. | 17:35 |
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| Kabouik | Thanks minimec. But with these two options, will I be able to use Hibernation? That's the only reason I want a swap | 17:36 |
| Kabouik | (Hence the 8 GB size, the size of my RAM) | 17:36 |
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| minimec | Kabouik: Suspend -> yes; Hibernation -> no (with the swap-file hibernation should be possible) | 17:37 |
| Kabouik | That's what I suspected | 17:37 |
| Kabouik | But all in all, I need to find out what is this 8GB partition, if it's me messing with the filesystem, or if it can be deleted. Even if I install Linux, I won't know better | 17:38 |
| Kabouik | Mint* | 17:38 |
| minimec | Kabouik: hibernation with swap-file should be possible, as the data is saved on the disk. | 17:38 |
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| Kabouik | Dual boot on UEFI seems to overcomplicate the process to dual-boot a lot :( (http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=157960) | 17:43 |
| Kabouik | I used to just run the install from a LiveCD and have two entries in Grub, no I'm afraid I'll lose the Windows boot | 17:43 |
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| Yaniel | does it offer you the possibility to install in bios compatibility mode? | 17:45 |
| Kabouik | No, I didn't see anything like that | 17:45 |
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| Kabouik | I'm not going to install before I find out what is this 8GB partition, and before I ensure I'll have the install GPT-compatible (to have two entries in boot menu) | 17:45 |
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| aupo | Anyone else had Jolla suddenly just show the usb-connection screen and pretty much freeze there? Happened to me thrice in two days, only got out by forcing a reboot. | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Evening. | 17:51 |
| Acce | evening | 17:51 |
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| anonfriese | humm, can't wait for my keira black toh :) is there a "real-life" picture already? | 17:55 |
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| vivia | http://trak.in/innovation/indian-school-girl-invents-washing-machine-without-electricity-302013/ | 17:56 |
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| AL13N | keira has alot of real life pictures, though they might not be what you're looking for | 18:04 |
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| jussi | So, brother law has an issue that the phone is frequently shutting down - he is updaed to the latest version (and it happened prior to the update also). Is this somethign that others have been having? or should he take it to service? | 18:10 |
| mint | Well, I thought it would be simpler. This whole UEFI-thing making dual boots soooo complicated is winning over me, I'm gonna give up. | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | jussi: update to latest version and pull the battery for 10 minutes | 18:10 |
| Kabouik | And I may havelost 8 GB as I don't know if this partition can be deleted | 18:10 |
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| jussi | Stskeeps: ahh, ok. Ill tell him to give that a try. thanks | 18:11 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: battery life since update has even been greater | 18:12 |
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| AL13N | yesterday, i had -2% for 5h | 18:12 |
| AL13N | (i don't mean idle) | 18:12 |
| pp_ | ah, mine has done 40% -> empty in seconds, lets try the battery trick | 18:12 |
| AL13N | pp_: i'm wondering what kind of things you're doing :-) | 18:13 |
| AL13N | though i admit to once having it plugged in and still draining | 18:13 |
| AL13N | of course, i was doing some specific stuff to get there | 18:13 |
| AL13N | about the wifi issue, it seems to happen less now... but it's not 100% | 18:14 |
| AL13N | i've seen that ping has reversed icmp replies | 18:14 |
| AL13N | like 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 12, 5, 4, 6, 13, 17, 11, 10, ... | 18:15 |
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| AL13N | i'll need to do a thorough check of the network though | 18:16 |
| pp_ | AL13N: it had been on for surprisingly long, so it maybe just be a calibration thing :-) | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | lbt: screenshots taken with your screenshot app have really aggressive JPEG compression | 18:18 |
| Nicd- | is that done by your app or Qt or something else? | 18:18 |
| Yaniel | yeah, how about png? :P | 18:18 |
| Yaniel | it's not like we are that storage limited | 18:18 |
| lbt | Nicd-: by Qt | 18:19 |
| lbt | I have a new version now which allows devs to pick png | 18:19 |
| Nicd- | ok, nice | 18:19 |
| Yaniel | why jpg in the first place? | 18:19 |
| lbt | it was png first | 18:19 |
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| lbt | then people complained 'cos jolla gallery doesn't support png for SOME sharing so I made it jpeg | 18:20 |
| lbt | now people complain it's fuzzy :/ | 18:20 |
| * lbt tries to win | 18:20 | |
| Nicd- | aww | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | the win would have been fixing gallery :D | 18:20 |
| Nicd- | I like your app | 18:20 |
| lbt | :) | 18:20 |
| lbt | Yaniel: yeah we are - but it takes time | 18:20 |
| lbt | Nicd-: I made 3D dice instead | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | but then, SOME is mostly retarded anyway so it may not be worth it | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | 3D dice? | 18:21 |
| * Yaniel approves | 18:21 | |
| lbt | Yaniel: yup - the optionis for devs | 18:21 |
| lbt | yeah - it's great fun | 18:21 |
| Nicd- | what do you mean for devs? | 18:21 |
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| Yaniel | I'd love to get to do 3D stuff again.. but school takes too much time for now | 18:21 |
| lbt | well, I expect the people who need nice shots mainly care about it for store | 18:22 |
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| lbt | I may be a bit broad by saying "devs" :) | 18:22 |
| lbt | nb - you can share png in gallery if you disable metadata stripping | 18:22 |
| lbt | and since there is no metadata on screenshot pngs that's fine | 18:22 |
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| nathrakh | lbt it also stops music from playing, is it possible to add mute option to the app? | 18:38 |
| lbt | it does? I wasn't aware | 18:38 |
| lbt | it should really mix | 18:38 |
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| lbt | so it does | 18:39 |
| nathrakh | yes, also stops the somafm internet radio app | 18:40 |
| lbt | well, in my defence I just do a .play() on a QML Audio object... so I think it's a Qt/Silica bug :) | 18:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | stskeeps. sometimes after a reboot, my sdcard got found and mounted, but tracker doesn't see the files, so for example I see no music in media player | 18:44 |
| Morpog_PC | or lbt | 18:44 |
| Morpog_PC | is that a known bug and can i restart tracker without loosing data? | 18:45 |
| * lbt pleads ignorance on that | 18:45 | |
| lbt | tracker is a bit magical | 18:45 |
| Morpog_PC | lol :D | 18:45 |
| Quu | *magic* | 18:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | I guess it's a race bug when booting | 18:46 |
| Quu | its a bit.. special | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: i shall have no responsibility over tracker's actions | 18:46 |
| lbt | I'm pretty sure you wont lose data but it may lose track of it | 18:46 |
| Morpog_PC | well, thats like loosing it :) | 18:46 |
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| Sail0r | Morpog_PC: everytime this happens i run tracker-control -rs | 18:50 |
| Sail0r | and the files appear after 30s or so | 18:50 |
| Morpog_PC | what does -rs do? --help didn't tell me anything useful | 18:51 |
| Quu | really super. | 18:51 |
| Sail0r | you must run --help-all | 18:51 |
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| Morpog_PC | better :) | 18:51 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: -es fixes it most of the time | 18:51 |
| Sail0r | -r, --hard-reset Kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases and -s for start I also tried it with -e instead of -r but this doesn't help all the time | 18:51 |
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| Morpog_PC | -r sounds scary | 18:52 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: r kills files e kills files and touches new ones | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC | at least on N9 that killed all contacts and SMS | 18:52 |
| Sail0r | it only happens every 10-15 boots for me | 18:52 |
| Sail0r | so both kill the files? | 18:52 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: ehrm what? | 18:52 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: should do yes | 18:53 |
| Sail0r | k thx | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, yep | 18:53 |
| chem|st | read the help says something like "same as -r but creates new files | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC | people used to N900 recommened lots of N9 users to do tracker hard reset and they all were doomed :D | 18:54 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: I reset DB and every thing on N9 quiet a few times but never "lost" anything | 18:54 |
| Sail0r | so as you said the same only on -e empty files are initialized | 18:54 |
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| Sail0r | I did this command for 5 times since I have my Jolla and everything is still fine :) | 18:54 |
| Sail0r | but no warranty ;) | 18:55 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: did it like 20 times now as all for a sudden without doing anything over time my microsd was not sourced anymore | 18:55 |
| chem|st | without rebooting | 18:55 |
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| Sail0r | rebooting does not help for me in most times | 18:56 |
| Sail0r | only -rs brings my media back | 18:56 |
| Morpog_PC | rebooting usually helps me | 18:58 |
| Morpog_PC | but it's annoying | 18:59 |
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| Morpog_PC | found a way | 19:01 |
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| Morpog_PC | killall tracker-store | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | killall tracker-miner-fs | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | tracker-control -s | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | that helped | 19:02 |
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| Sail0r | is this different from -rs ^^ | 19:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, no databases get deleted | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess :) | 19:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | Vote for it pls: https://together.jolla.com/question/24292/bug-tracker-doesnt-mine-sdcard-sometimes/ | 19:07 |
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| Morpog_PC | Now need to do a sh for it and create an icon :) | 19:08 |
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| Kabouik | Can someone experience with W8/Linux dualboots confirm me that I'll get boot issues if I try to install Mint 16 x64 on a computer with preinstalled W8.1 and UEFI? I read a lot of reports on the internet that Grub will fail to install and that I may lose boot menu, but no easy how-to to follow | 19:14 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: sorry Morpog_PC but I need to find the original post and mark yours as duplicate... | 19:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | omg, but I got a solution :( | 19:14 |
| Kabouik | I'm definitely lost here. Really want to install a Linux distro, but I can't believe how hard it became to have a working dual boot on an UEFI computer. This is sick, I'm not skilled enough to achieve it | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | Kabouik: I ditched grub completely | 19:15 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: UEFI is a known problem cause | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | I have win7 and arch linux on a UEFI system | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | and tbh booting windows sucks :D | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | because it reorders the boot menu | 19:15 |
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| chem|st | Yaniel: do you know about that installer review a few years back? | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | so everytime I boot windows and want to go back to linux I have to go through the UEFI setup (or use the one time boot menu) | 19:16 |
| Kabouik | How did you achieve it Yaniel? I'm not really experienced, and the guides I found give me headache | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | chem|st: hmm? | 19:16 |
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| chem|st | someone reviewed the windows-installer loke any other OS installer | 19:16 |
| Kabouik | http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html Perhaps this could help me? | 19:17 |
| Yaniel | if it works :D | 19:17 |
| Yaniel | I had that before | 19:17 |
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| Yaniel | but then it broke and I spent a day trying to fix it | 19:17 |
| chem|st | the cracking part is "and wtf it destroys all MBR records and puts itself as sole system to boot" | 19:17 |
| Yaniel | chem|st: yep | 19:17 |
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| Yaniel | guess what it does that everytime it boots | 19:18 |
| chem|st | the whole review was fun to read | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | dunno about the MBR part as the disk is GPT | 19:18 |
| Kabouik | So I really have no option, doesn't matter how hard I wanted to install a distro, this has became a lot too tricky for me now with UEFI | 19:18 |
| chem|st | well that was for viste or even 2k installer | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | mm yeah that's why it was advised to install windows first, then linux :D | 19:18 |
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| attah | chem|st: I assume i have you to thank for one or a few upvotes.. so thanks! | 19:20 |
| Yaniel | Kabouik: I use gummiboot now; it is simple enough and gets the job done | 19:20 |
| ajaijjaj | are most of computers or laptops now sold with UEFI? | 19:20 |
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| attah | now if i only could solicit some comments ;P | 19:20 |
| Kabouik | But how do you do it if you have an existing W8 OS running Yaniel? If I try to install Mint 16, it'll try to use Grub | 19:20 |
| Kabouik | And may either hide W8 boot entry, Mint entry, or whole boot menu (if I understand correctly) | 19:21 |
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| chem|st | attah: are you sure? need to check and change if applicable^^ | 19:24 |
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| attah | chem|st: O.o | 19:25 |
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| chem|st | Kabouik: don't know about mint but as it is coming from debian/ubuntu you should have full UEFI/secureboot support, if not you should file a bugreport as always | 19:27 |
| Kabouik | That is what I read on a webpage, and then I read ONLY reports of issues. :/ | 19:28 |
| chem|st | you might be unable to install with secureboot on | 19:28 |
| Kabouik | I'm going to post on the Mint forums, got no proper options on the linuxmint-help IRC channel. :/ | 19:28 |
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| Kabouik | I don't mind secureboot, I already had to turn it off for booting the LiveDVD | 19:28 |
| Kabouik | What bothers me is the possibility that I lose my Windows boot entry | 19:29 |
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| chem|st | Kabouik: from a short google I read that mint16 does not cause any problems but with dualbooting ubuntu as it for some reason uses teh bootentry of ubuntu and therefore overwrites it if already there | 19:32 |
| Kabouik | I read that too, and it almost dried my tears out | 19:33 |
| Kabouik | But I also read the opposite a billion times :( | 19:33 |
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| Kabouik | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=157960 Exemple (the only howto I found, and it gave me brain cancer) | 19:34 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_PC: did you recognize that tagging is not very useful if you use 5 tags and only two are used correctly^^ better don't tag then please - tag what you have and with what you have... so "bug tracker microsd" please | 19:36 |
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| Morpog_PC | it affects media player, doesn't it? | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | and $app | 19:38 |
| Yaniel | if $app happens to use tracker | 19:38 |
| Yaniel | so your point is moot | 19:38 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_PC: no it doesn't | 19:43 |
| chem|st | mediaplayer works just fine... | 19:43 |
| chem|st | (it is an app name afaik so no space or trace) | 19:44 |
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| chem|st | well you could argue that all people will recognize it as a mediaplayer problem... | 19:45 |
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| chem|st | but tags are used for search in deep, I'd guess $user uses the search bar | 19:45 |
| CoderCandy | Something made the input field on the natove IRC app borked | 19:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | I got your point chem|st :D | 19:46 |
| CoderCandy | I only see the top half of the letters | 19:46 |
| CoderCandy | native* | 19:46 |
| Morpog_PC | CoderCandy, you need the latest release | 19:46 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: Yaniel did not | 19:46 |
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| CoderCandy | Sigh, I guess I'll fix that when I get home | 19:47 |
| Morpog_PC | CoderCandy, https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases | 19:47 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: but for you to clarify, use the header for pointing out that $app does something and tag the actual cause, makes it easier to filter | 19:47 |
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| CoderCandy | Thanks morg | 19:48 |
| CoderCandy | morpog* | 19:48 |
| Morpog_PC | will do next time chem|st and also will have a search first :D | 19:48 |
| CoderCandy | Is there a.windows.sdk for jolla? | 19:49 |
| CoderCandy | Or do I need to use my sloow old lappy? | 19:49 |
| Nicd- | the SDK works on windows too | 19:49 |
| Morpog_PC | windows sdk is available | 19:49 |
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| CoderCandy | Sweet, my desktop is windows cause games | 19:50 |
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| tobiski | hmm, the newets update was supposed to fix the tohd battery draining problem and yet after 12 hours I have only 5% left ;o | 19:55 |
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| attah | tobiski: I'm at about 40 hours and 54% O.o | 19:56 |
| attah | i.e. same performance i had when turning it off manually | 19:57 |
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| tobiski | I do have mobile data connection on 24/7 but before update I had tohd service disabled and could last for two days | 19:57 |
| tobiski | after the update I enabled the tohd service again but this is the result | 19:57 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | have you used tethering app? | 19:57 |
| tobiski | nope | 19:58 |
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| attah | tobisky: i only had it "stopped", did you have it masked? | 19:59 |
| tobiski | attah: yes | 19:59 |
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| attah | tobisky: hmm, maybe that interfered with the update somehow.. since you said you turned it back on after.. | 20:00 |
| attah | tobisky: maybe you could try and re-install the service (sorry don't know the pkcon magic for that) | 20:01 |
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| attah | tobisky: at your own risk of course.. just throwing ideas around.. | 20:02 |
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| attah | or btw.. fist check which version of tohd is installed.. | 20:02 |
| attah | *first | 20:02 |
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| tobiski | and how do I find that out? | 20:05 |
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| attah | pkcon search name tohd | 20:05 |
| tobiski | normal or sudo? | 20:05 |
| attah | normal nemo | 20:05 |
| attah | mine says tohd-1.2.1-10.3.1.jolla.armv7hl | 20:06 |
| tobiski | tohd-1.2.1-10.3.1.jolla.armv7hl | 20:06 |
| tobiski | same one | 20:06 |
| attah | oh well... worth a shot | 20:06 |
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| tobiski | and nfc plugin is tohd-plugin-nfc-nxp-1.2.2-10.2.1.jolla.armv7hl | 20:06 |
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| attah | yep | 20:07 |
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| attah | still thinking that reinstall might help.. but that could be dangerous too | 20:07 |
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| attah | maybe try and find a nice sailor to guide you better.. | 20:07 |
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| tobiski | https://together.jolla.com/question/21595/is-it-ok-to-install-system-update-with-tohdservice-masked-and-stopped/ | 20:08 |
| tobiski | apparently that is not the reason | 20:08 |
| attah | anyway.. you could try stopping it to make sure.. so we're not barking up the wrong tree so to say.. | 20:08 |
| attah | okay then :) | 20:09 |
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| tobiski | but could try to stop the service after the phone is fully loaded and see if it drains as fast as today | 20:09 |
| Yaniel | powertop all the things? | 20:09 |
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| tobiski | Yaniel: can you give exact commands? | 20:10 |
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| tobiski | or is it just powertop? | 20:10 |
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| tobiski | command not found | 20:11 |
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| Yaniel | it is in mer-tools I guess | 20:12 |
| tobiski | so pkcon install mer-tools? | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | no, ssu er mer-tools | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | then pkcon install powertop | 20:13 |
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| tobiski | is it supposed to be ssu ar mer-tools? | 20:15 |
| Yaniel | it should be pre-added so just er | 20:16 |
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| Yaniel | (enable repo) | 20:16 |
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| tobiski | oh, need to pkcon refresh | 20:16 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 20:16 |
| tobiski | did not know that :) | 20:16 |
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| tobiski | it says a hell of a "model-specifi register (WSR) not found" | 20:19 |
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| tobiski | try enabling CONFIG_X86_WSR | 20:20 |
| tobiski | or MSR it is | 20:20 |
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| tobiski | Yaniel: can I somehow but the output into a file? | 20:21 |
| Yaniel | if it is non-interactive | 20:22 |
| * Yaniel never used powertop | 20:22 | |
| Yaniel | command > filename | 20:22 |
| Yaniel | writes stdout to filename | 20:22 |
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| tobiski | does this make sense to anyone? http://pastebin.com/9BNL1qHA | 20:26 |
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| tobiski | or is the output pure rubbish and should even look like that, I have a strong feeling it shouldn't | 20:27 |
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| tobiski | oh, ok now I found the correct way to look at it | 20:31 |
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| tobiski | http://pastebin.com/np606Mke | 20:33 |
| tobiski | Can anyone tell if something is wrong based on that? | 20:33 |
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| Yaniel | lots of wlan usage | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | but I don't know what a normal level is for that | 20:37 |
| tobiski | well yes for now, I connected it through wlan so I could get the powertop on my pc screen | 20:37 |
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| tobiski | normally wlan is off | 20:37 |
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| Abby30 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:47 |
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| Yaniel | this is getting old | 20:48 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: Aard | 20:51 |
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| tobiski | ok, now I got nice page to check the power consumption: http://tobiski.zapto.org/powertop.html | 20:53 |
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| Quu | ok, reported that abby-thingie to freenode staff. | 20:54 |
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| joha | i'm thinking of ordering a jolla device | 21:14 |
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| joha | is there good case for it, and has anyone tried the hebrew/arabic keyboards (posted by users in MTO) | 21:15 |
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| Quu | no, havent tested em | 21:16 |
| Quu | could try out but dont know the language(s).. | 21:17 |
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| jubo2 | I'm happy with the progress | 21:38 |
| jubo2 | I have my 3 mailboxes now functional | 21:38 |
| jubo2 | and the calendar is syncing from our school's Exchange server | 21:39 |
| jubo2 | I'm getting faster and more precise with the text entry method | 21:39 |
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| jubo2 | I wish I had "Sync the whole works now"-icon | 21:42 |
| jubo2 | then it gets everything from the synced calendars and I can forget about it | 21:42 |
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| jubo2 | I'm getting a fuzzy reading on the synccing | 21:43 |
| jubo2 | no way to force it | 21:43 |
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| slate | pulley refresh all? | 21:44 |
| slate | update, whatever | 21:44 |
| jubo2 | I'd like it so that I edit calendar in web UI and then hit "SYNC!!"-button on mah phone and all the new entries get sucked in | 21:44 |
| jubo2 | slate: all I got there is "manage calendars", "move to this day" and "make new event" | 21:45 |
| slate | from mailbox-vie | 21:45 |
| slate | w | 21:45 |
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| jubo2 | slate: and that also updates the outlook calendar when I run the "sync" for emails ? | 21:46 |
| slate | at least on other devices it does | 21:47 |
| slate | Hopefully Sailfish too. | 21:47 |
| slate | Try it and report back. | 21:47 |
| TemeV | it does sync calendar also when syncin emails | 21:48 |
| TemeV | atleast it looks that way for me | 21:48 |
| slate | bingoo. | 21:48 |
| jubo2 | TemeV: awesome, tnx for the info | 21:48 |
| TemeV | but refresh button at the account settings would still be nice | 21:49 |
| TemeV | and N9 style report of last sync | 21:49 |
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| jubo2 | Yes. The email account synccing also syncced the calendar | 21:53 |
| jubo2 | I may actually into truly electronic calendar.. | 21:53 |
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| jubo2 | I started using Linux in '96 ... I know about hardships and demands for user expertese | 21:55 |
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| Quu | i might accidentally too | 21:57 |
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| jubo2 | Then in | 21:58 |
| jubo2 | nvrmnd | 21:58 |
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| jubo2 | I have the calendar and I have the email | 22:00 |
| jubo2 | I really wish the browser had tabs | 22:00 |
| Quu | it has. | 22:02 |
| jubo2 | why I no see tabs? | 22:02 |
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| Quu | did you try to click the "tabs" button? | 22:02 |
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| Abby21 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:03 |
| eriolloan | Hi all, does anyone know how long do jolla care requests take to be reviewed and answered these days ? | 22:04 |
| slate | eriolloan: hopefully faster soon, since they had 2 jobs open there last month | 22:04 |
| slate | :) | 22:04 |
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| eriolloan | nice ;) | 22:05 |
| eriolloan | anyone who bought a jolla on jolla.com ever had to send it for repairs ? | 22:05 |
| eriolloan | :s | 22:06 |
| slate | Nope, but whats the problem? | 22:06 |
| eriolloan | failed update, lots of help from aard and sksteeps but they're at a loss too | 22:07 |
| slate | :/ damn. And not located in .fi? | 22:07 |
| eriolloan | guess I might end up doing just that | 22:07 |
| eriolloan | nope | 22:07 |
| eriolloan | jolla care has no info about that | 22:07 |
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| eriolloan | that's a bit stressful | 22:07 |
| eriolloan | :) | 22:07 |
| slate | I feel you. | 22:07 |
| eriolloan | (it almost worked for an hour haha) | 22:08 |
| slate | My device got in to a bootloop also today. But pulling out the battery helped. Device crashed when launching the camera, causing a bootloop. | 22:08 |
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| eriolloan | ok then thank you slate… mine seem to be a hard thing to fix ( | 22:09 |
| ballock | wasn't there supposed to be a bootloader unlock in 1.0.3.8? | 22:09 |
| ballock | perhaps that would be of some help? | 22:09 |
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| ballock | but, I guess you'd need to have a functional device to get through it :p | 22:09 |
| eriolloan | it failed going from 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.2.smth | 22:09 |
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| Quu | 5 | 22:10 |
| eriolloan | right | 22:10 |
| Quu | left | 22:10 |
| eriolloan | ok | 22:10 |
| slate | eriolloan: lets hope they get the service sorted out quickly. Outside .fi also. | 22:10 |
| * eriolloan crosses fingers and waits | 22:10 | |
| slate | :) | 22:10 |
| eriolloan | thank you anyway | 22:10 |
| eriolloan | good night ! | 22:11 |
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| slate | Hmm, he was from montpellier, just got back to .fi from there a week ago. Could have taken the device to service :p | 22:13 |
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| jubo2 | Haha.. I still remember that Marseillian gangster.. | 22:25 |
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| jubo2 | without his gap, without his papers and without his moneys, lost in Sueden.. | 22:26 |
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| jubo2 | That is the fate of the marsellian gangster.. Paperless, languageless, moneyless, prlly doesn't even know in which country he is.. | 22:42 |
| jubo2 | and without the gap, especially the gap | 22:42 |
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| TMavica | does anyone got homessrren problem, cant swipe left right down after alarm? | 23:09 |
| TMavica | I mean in apps, only can swipe up | 23:10 |
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| TMavica | switch off and on fix it | 23:10 |
| TMavica | hapoen 2 times after alarm when i wake | 23:10 |
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| bennypr0fane | guys, is it possible to upload multiple photos from Gallery to Facebook in one go? I couldn't figure it out | 23:41 |
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| artemma | rrr, releasing resource via autoRelease works and resource conflict is not crashing device anymore, but.. I cannot acquire resource the second time, it is never granted | 23:45 |
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| clau | TMavica, maybe you are seeing this problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/23257/1038-introduced-bug-in-app-minimizing-and-close/ | 23:47 |
| TMavica | thx!! | 23:48 |
| artemma | ah no, still crashing device sometimes even with autorelease | 23:48 |
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| Dima^ | https://twitter.com/dimatsvetkov/status/430851399635980288 so shall it be | 23:54 |
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