| ln- | another random question: are the app comments in the store intended to be used as a discussion forum? as that's what seems to be happening now, and i'm not entirely sure that's a good thing. | 00:01 |
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| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I've talked about that over in #quassel.de quassel qt5 support isn't really ready according to their devs | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess quasseldroid will work. | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | (opensource android qauassle client) | 00:03 |
| merlin1991 | I've started to work on a qml port again, but I'm starting based on harmattan to hopefully sync again with upstream when qt5 support is ready and just switch components to silicia | 00:03 |
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| merlin1991 | for now I just try to understand which model goes where and what I need to plug together in order to achive the biggest damage possible :D | 00:03 |
| merlin1991 | I got as far as hacking together a cmake script to build only the core bits I need | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | now I'm starting to add code on top, I'll see where that leads | 00:04 |
| Morpog | I just wait for irc-chatter | 00:05 |
| ottulo | I basically just wanted to install something, and as I have no idea about which Android client is best, I just went for the ~first hit on google | 00:07 |
| ottulo | first that didn't require Google Play | 00:07 |
| chem|st | do we have irssi? | 00:07 |
| Turski | fingerterm + openssh + tmux + irssi = <3 | 00:07 |
| Turski | chem|st: why would you run irssi on jolla? | 00:08 |
| chem|st | Turski: you can use irssi in some client mode iirc | 00:08 |
| Turski | but as an answer: there doesn't seem to be irssi in repos | 00:09 |
| chem|st | Turski: and yes I ssh to a server where I have irssi centerim and mutt... | 00:09 |
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| chem|st | anyone up for porting columbus nav-toolkit? | 00:12 |
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| ottulo | argh | 00:32 |
| ottulo | I installed Amazon Appstore on the phone | 00:33 |
| ottulo | but after I logged in everything is in Japanese | 00:33 |
| Turski | :D | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Learn japanese! | 01:02 |
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| ottulo | SpeedEvil: I do know some already | 01:10 |
| ottulo | but it'd still be nice to at least have the option to use another language... | 01:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The amazon store is in japanesse you mean - or the whole phone? | 01:13 |
| ottulo | the amazon appstore only | 01:19 |
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| wmarone__ | heh | 01:22 |
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| Venemo | heh | 01:56 |
| ottulo | huh | 01:59 |
| Venemo | tell me I'm not insane | 02:00 |
| Venemo | I'm staying up until I finish this homework | 02:00 |
| Venemo | still got 9 hours until the deadline | 02:00 |
| nander | Yay, I managed to participate in ludum dare, I made a game in 8 hours, including 2 hours of packaging ;) | 02:01 |
| nander | In a language I didn't know before xD | 02:01 |
| Venemo | wow | 02:01 |
| Venemo | what is ludum dare? | 02:01 |
| nander | A 48 / 60 hour game challenge | 02:02 |
| nander | 48 hours for solo , 60 for teams | 02:02 |
| nander | Create a game within that limit | 02:02 |
| Venemo | wow | 02:02 |
| Venemo | congrats :) | 02:02 |
| nander | I figured I'd participate 8 hours before deadline | 02:02 |
| nander | http://halley.student.utwente.nl/game.zip << windows executable | 02:02 |
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| Venemo | I don't have windows here | 02:04 |
| nander | http://halley.student.utwente.nl/source.zip | 02:05 |
| nander | It uses pygame | 02:05 |
| nander | I used python 2.7 | 02:05 |
| ottulo | wow | 02:08 |
| ottulo | had some connectivity issues | 02:08 |
| Venemo | I downloaded it | 02:08 |
| Venemo | but don't have time now to check, sorry | 02:08 |
| ottulo | bluetooth icon was visible although I disabled it, wlan and mobile data couldn't connect | 02:08 |
| Venemo | I will take a look tomorrow | 02:08 |
| ottulo | when I rebooted the connectivity issues seem to have vanished | 02:08 |
| ottulo | but my app icons are in a different order now :o | 02:09 |
| nander | It's not really special | 02:10 |
| nander | Minimalistic at best | 02:10 |
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| ottulo | Angry Birds Go seems to work nicely | 02:21 |
| ottulo | including steering by tilting phone | 02:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:04 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | jolla on eBAY: Sold at 850£(1008€) and at $1175(855€); 315£(373€ (?)) (8h left); 700£(830€) (1d left); 550£ (0 bids, 2d left); $570 (0 bids, 2.5d left); $585 (3.5d left) | 06:49 |
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| hene- | :) | 06:52 |
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| atlaz | It's monday, monday, gotta get up on monday. Everybody's soul is dying a little bit before the weekend, weekend | 07:02 |
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| Nicd- | hey ln-, is your uptime still "1 day"? | 07:20 |
| Nicd- | I've uploaded a new package here: https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/downloads#download-282073 | 07:20 |
| Nicd- | others can test too | 07:21 |
| Nicd- | version 1.0.1-1 | 07:21 |
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| Yaniel | hmm wouldn't 'Sails Up' be a more fitting name? :P | 07:22 |
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| Nicd- | I'm bad with names | 07:22 |
| Nicd- | "SailTime shows how long your phone has been sailing the open seas, or in other words, how long it has been switched on." | 07:22 |
| ln- | i didn't happen to take the phone with me to work, so can't test before early evening... the uptime certainly won't be 1 day by then anymore, though. | 07:23 |
| Nicd- | should work though, just added one '?' to the regex | 07:23 |
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| ln- | btw, uptime's idea of "switched on" might be somewhat different than end user's idea. at least on N9, uptime did not reset if you switched the phone off and on while it was charging, or something like that. | 07:25 |
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| Nicd- | could be, I haven't checked that | 07:25 |
| faenil | moo | 07:26 |
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| Nicd- | ln-: it was reset | 07:27 |
| Nicd- | I had my charger plugged in the whole time | 07:27 |
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| atlaz | Nicd-: i could test. How do you install that package after downloading? | 07:30 |
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| atlaz | failed dependencies on install | 07:34 |
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| atlaz | *i have no idea what i'm doing* | 07:37 |
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| Jonni | \o/ just managed to make me Wireless Charging other half :) | 08:06 |
| stephg | ooer | 08:07 |
| leinir | Jonni: niiice :) | 08:07 |
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| hene- | Jonni, nice! | 08:08 |
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| AL13N_work | Jonni: how the hell did you do that? | 08:19 |
| tbr | Jonni: nice, still haven't had the time to buy one of those inlays... :/ | 08:20 |
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| Jonni | AL13N_work: just bought some cheap Qi Wireless Charging Receiver Module and connected it to the charging pins. | 08:30 |
| Jonni | those thin ones fit under the cover. | 08:31 |
| AL13N_work | ah | 08:31 |
| AL13N_work | btw: how are those charging wirelessly? | 08:32 |
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| Jonni | should work against any qi charging power pad. But I'm still experimenting and looking that would be the best combination. | 08:34 |
| Jonni | receiver was about 6 euroes from ebay and power pad was about 16e. | 08:34 |
| nahkiss | ah, just had the idea of Qi TOH this morning | 08:34 |
| nahkiss | can you link what you ordered Jonni | 08:34 |
| nahkiss | or if you have some project page or something | 08:35 |
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| hene- | Jonni, really really nice work :) | 08:35 |
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| Jonni | project page coming up later. I think that the 1st one that I ordered was http://www.ebay.ie/itm/290994467448, but thats only for 600mA, and pins support upto 1000mA, so my next one was 1A, but thats still is in transit. | 08:36 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Jonni: Could you not use a Lumia charging shell and connect that? | 08:38 |
| nahkiss | you mean the lumia receiver part? | 08:39 |
| nahkiss | which is build-in to the case that you buy separately | 08:39 |
| MFaro-Tusino | nahkiss: Thats exactly what I mean - I swapped the charging coil form the 925 shell and put it under the back plate of the device itself, so wondering if you can out that coil under TOH the same way - obviously just modifying the connection from the coil to the pins | 08:40 |
| nahkiss | isn't that what jonni is doing, except he's using coils made for other phones | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: in terminal 'pkcon install-local file.rpm | 08:42 |
| AL13N_work | what i mean is, how does this kind of wireless power transfer happen? | 08:42 |
| nahkiss | since the only difference is the coil size and shape | 08:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | nahkiss: I believe so - just checking that it could work (I won't need to purchase any new parts that way) | 08:42 |
| hene- | AL13N_work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging | 08:42 |
| nahkiss | MFaro-Tusino: if it's Qi then it's all good | 08:42 |
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| AL13N_work | ah, inductive | 08:42 |
| AL13N_work | but | 08:42 |
| AL13N_work | isn't that kinda dangerous to the flash chip? | 08:43 |
| MFaro-Tusino | AL13N_work: IIRC - someone showed an image of the Jolla device having the hardware support - so it would just need to be connected, Qi or not just depends on the coil you buy and the charger (I think - not 100% certain) | 08:43 |
| nahkiss | AL13N_work: it's used on retail phones, so I doubt | 08:43 |
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| AL13N_work | even if it's used on retail phones, it could still less then life on the flash chip... | 08:43 |
| AL13N_work | unless most stuff is faraday shielded, which i doubt very much | 08:44 |
| * lpotter would rather have solar charger TOH | 08:44 | |
| * AL13N_work too | 08:44 | |
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| * MFaro-Tusino agrees with lpotter | 08:45 | |
| nahkiss | solar charging needs a bit more modifications to TOH I guess | 08:45 |
| AL13N_work | lpotter: btw: about our discussion the other day, would it be good if such a bugtracker emails either a confirmed shortlist to devel@sailfishos.org or each bug directly to something like bugs@sailfishos.org ? | 08:46 |
| AL13N_work | lpotter: or you still prefer not? | 08:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | nahkiss: Well it would just need a solar charging panel that had the connection pins to the back of the device like the induction charging coil | 08:46 |
| nahkiss | doesn't it need somekind of controller | 08:47 |
| lpotter | AL13N_work: well... ideally, it would be part of jolla internal bug thing. any 3rd party bug reporter tool would be difficult otherwise | 08:48 |
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| Jonni | there are still some issues on the charging pins, but I'm filing a bug and hoping that it will be fixed..... | 08:50 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, my uptime program showed 1 minute load average of 41 | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | and 5 minutes was at 10 :P | 09:02 |
| whippler | any idea on how to get Database ID field to auto increment | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | whippler: localstorage? | 09:03 |
| whippler | i have id IDENTITY (1,1) PRIMARY KEY | 09:03 |
| whippler | on the create table | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo | Ohai ! | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo | No update over the weekend anyone ? | 09:03 |
| whippler | but when i insert rows the id field is "undefined" | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo | (not me at least) | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | whippler: try 'id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT' | 09:03 |
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| whippler | Nicd-: still says undefined, my inser is: ('INSERT OR REPLACE INTO notes (title, txt, time) VALUES (?,?,?);', [title,txt,time]) | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | whippler: how do you read from the table? can you pastebin your code? | 09:06 |
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| AL13N_work | lpotter: thanks for your reaction | 09:07 |
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| whippler | Nicd-: http://pastebin.com/0fwphxTi | 09:08 |
| whippler | OH im not selecting the id field -.-' | 09:08 |
| Nicd- | yep | 09:08 |
| AL13N_work | lpotter: personally, i just want to keep a list so that nothing gets forgotten, but i believe before marketing can give priority to halfopen internal bugtracker or a separate publig bugtracker, something in the community needs to start | 09:08 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: any pronostics to put out now that we are monday morning and %age didn't even reached 45% yet | 09:09 |
| AL13N_work | Jonni: did you send email to devel@ ML or just email to jolla directly? (like support@ ?) | 09:09 |
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| AL13N_work | Jonni: i'm mentioning because a lot of devs are here, so unless it's sort of private... | 09:09 |
| TheBootroo | kinda big slowdown instead of speedup in shipment, mine must be processed until wednesday if i want to have it before i leave saturday morning | 09:10 |
| Jonni | AL13N_work: I cheat and use internal bugzilla :) | 09:10 |
| AL13N_work | ic, nvm then :-) | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: nothing for you yet ? | 09:10 |
| * AL13N_work didn't know Jonni was "connected" | 09:10 | |
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| tachikoma | TheBootroo: no change | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: :-( | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo | i'm all with you | 09:11 |
| tachikoma | yeah, well, it will come one day | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: but that day is not today | 09:12 |
| tachikoma | yes, well ... | 09:13 |
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| AL13N_work | TheBootroo: on ebay, there's a Jolla being sold for 315£ (~370€) (it times out in a few hours) | 09:14 |
| TheBootroo | AL13N_work: it's a used one i guess , | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work | not really, (all the others have sold above 800€), but this seller seems to have only 1 feedback | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work | and not LE TOH | 09:15 |
| atlaz | Used one... The phone has been on the market for what, 3 weeks? :D | 09:16 |
| yanoo | lol, just received my jolla, but on shop status is still "In Picking" :D | 09:17 |
| tachikoma | yanoo: lol | 09:18 |
| tachikoma | yanoo: did you get a tracking number/mail ? | 09:18 |
| leinir | yanoo: much better situation than if it were the opposite, eh? ;) | 09:18 |
| atlaz | I have some guys coming to drill my floor to a thousand pieces after a small water leakage. They were supposed to be here at 10:00. It's now 11:19. | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: they probably used a jolla and the alarm application ;p | 09:20 |
| atlaz | Hah. Well f*ck them. Need to get to work if im gonna save this week. | 09:20 |
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| tachikoma | atlaz: you are not by any chance from germany? | 09:21 |
| tachikoma | here I had appointments with people to fix stuff at 8:300 and they arrived at 15:00 | 09:21 |
| yanoo | leinir: not :D | 09:21 |
| yanoo | meh | 09:21 |
| yanoo | tachikoma: not, I didn't :D | 09:22 |
| yanoo | leinir: sure ;) | 09:22 |
| ShadowJK | It's pretty hard as a professional to schedule stuff | 09:22 |
| TheBootroo | yanoo: at least Fedex caked you for delivery ? | 09:22 |
| tachikoma | yanoo: no tracking mail - it just arrived? | 09:22 |
| ShadowJK | regardless if it's someone saying "My computer is broken" or "My floor is broken" :) | 09:22 |
| yanoo | TheBootroo: yes, Fedex | 09:23 |
| yanoo | tachikoma: right :D | 09:23 |
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| yanoo | that's why at Friday I was asking if any phones were sent. Thursday finished with 3xx with status "shipped" no one was added at Friday | 09:24 |
| yanoo | at least in the spreadsheet | 09:24 |
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| tobiski | what's the url of that spreadsheet? | 09:26 |
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| tachikoma | yanoo: fascinating | 09:27 |
| tachikoma | gives the wohle thing another level of weirdness | 09:27 |
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| AL13N_work | yanoo: it could be in error... maybe best if you contact Jolla about it | 09:28 |
| AL13N_work | perhaps you got one meant for another user | 09:28 |
| * AL13N_work has the idea that alot of manual needed tasks at high speed are error-prone | 09:28 | |
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| tobiski | Just went from "Paid" to "In Picking" order id 1000022xx | 09:33 |
| restless_being | Hmm.. a courier has just called me that he has something for me from Finland. My order is "in picking" in the shop. | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: woohoo | 09:34 |
| leinir | tobiski: nicely :) | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | restless_being: yeap, some people don't get their tracking numbers | 09:34 |
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| tobiski | second-wave pre-order | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | you can put it under the tree now :) | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | don't open it! | 09:35 |
| pdanek1 | then santa will steal it | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | set a bear trap for santa | 09:35 |
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| hene- | :-) | 09:41 |
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| Tofe | morning | 09:45 |
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| atlaz | tachikoma: nah, Finland. It's an universal problem it seems :) | 09:48 |
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| TheBootroo | yanoo: yeah i'm afraid to see that the highest order number processed is 200002383 since thursday | 09:48 |
| TheBootroo | no higher update since 4 days | 09:48 |
| jreznik | ooh, christmas present :) my order is still in picking on the web, no tracking number but just received a call from shipping company that they have a shipment from finland for me and they will be in the office in two hours :D | 09:49 |
| atlaz | tachikoma: im still waiting for the electrician who was supposed to come "next thursday" three years ago. I've already sold the appartment where i needed the fixing ;P | 09:49 |
| jreznik | ggabriel: yep, no trakcing number received on phone is already in brno | 09:50 |
| restless_being | :D so my jolla has just arrived \o/ | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | restless_being: \o/ | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | please let us know of your first impressions | 09:50 |
| tachikoma | atlaz: lol | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | and update the device, please | 09:50 |
| tachikoma | whit - i should go home, wouldn't miss the delivery | 09:51 |
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| atlaz | tachikoma: best thing was, i saw the electrician in a shop a year ago (i live in a small city). His face went white and he duck behinds some shelves to hide from me. | 09:52 |
| atlaz | I was sure he was gonna call me the next day and be all like "yeah so... that outlet problem you had.. i could come fix it now", but that didn't happen :) | 09:53 |
| tachikoma | atlaz: so he even remembered you ... wow | 09:53 |
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| atlaz | If i didn't have my company, i'd start a repair/maintenace company and market myself as "the only repairman who actually comes when he says he'll come, or your money back". I would make millions. Billions even. | 09:54 |
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| TheBootroo | tachikoma: are you really thinking you will get delivery today ??? | 09:55 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: i fear it, as i'm not at home | 09:55 |
| tachikoma | according to murphy it should get delivered then ;) | 09:56 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: don't worry, you won'get get it anytime soon ;-) | 09:56 |
| tachikoma | hehe TheBootroo | 09:56 |
| tachikoma | actually, i kinda expected that | 09:56 |
| TheBootroo | btw, all the people who ahve update / delivery, please update spreadsheet so the other of us can see what is happening | 09:57 |
| chem|st | jreznik: that sounds like teh pic cybette twittered from friday night were actually vans hitting the road that night... | 09:57 |
| tachikoma | i choose delive to home, not to my workplace, as i feared it then might arrive in the owrkplace address when I'm on christmas vacation at home | 09:57 |
| chem|st | guess the problem with shipping is that the local postoffice denies any more servicing^^ | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | jreznik: first RPM based phone coming to RH offices? ;) | 09:57 |
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| tobiski | TheBootroo: what's the url | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=1 | 09:58 |
| tachikoma | jreznik: you are from redhat? | 09:58 |
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| TheBootroo | other things that make me fear : not a single tweet since Friday on JollaHQ | 10:00 |
| tachikoma | jreznik: greetings from suse ;) | 10:00 |
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| TheBootroo | and so many orders between 1000 and 2500 with no update in one week | 10:00 |
| jreznik | Stskeeps: lol :) but Anaconda folks were playing with N950 image last week and what I heard was "wow, that phone's firmware could be build by using kickstarts! amazing" | 10:00 |
| jreznik | tachikoma: yep and greetings back to suse (and jolla of course ;-) | 10:01 |
| * TheBootroo needs coffee | 10:01 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning ! | 10:01 |
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| yanoo | what the heck, what kind of SIM card should I have to jolla? my old one doesn't fit :( | 10:02 |
| hene- | microsim | 10:02 |
| atlaz | MicroSim | 10:02 |
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| yanoo | thanks | 10:02 |
| hene- | thats mostly used sim right now | 10:02 |
| atlaz | http://www.thechinacellphone.com/micro_sim_template.pdf for you DIY guys | 10:02 |
| Nicd- | wth, my phone is idling and when I unlock it and refresh my uptime app, I get 15 minute load averages of ~13 | 10:02 |
| jjaone123 | Hello sailors, I'm here again to report some installation (Jolla store) problems.. | 10:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning jjaone123 ! | 10:03 |
| jjaone123 | Hello Sfiet_Konstantin | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | jjaone123: is it breaking at this exact moment? | 10:04 |
| jjaone123 | Yes.. | 10:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jjaone123: what kind of problems ? | 10:04 |
| jjaone123 | just tries to install an app from Jollastore (scientific calculator), and.. | 10:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wifi 3g ? | 10:05 |
| jjaone123 | the installtion fails with "Oroblem with store".. | 10:05 |
| jjaone123 | Wifi at home.. | 10:05 |
| jjaone123 | Now I have log with journalctl -af | 10:05 |
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| jjaone123 | which shows lines like "Dec 16 11:19:46 localhost ssu[13666]: ssu: Device not registered -- skipping credential u | 10:06 |
| jjaone123 | pdate | 10:06 |
| jjaone123 | " | 10:06 |
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| jjaone123 | .. and "ssu status" gives me "Device registration status: not registered | 10:07 |
| jjaone123 | Device model: Jolla (SbJ / JP-1301) | 10:07 |
| jjaone123 | Device UID: 359745050005245 | 10:07 |
| jjaone123 | Release: 1.0.1.10" | 10:07 |
| jjaone123 | Could it be that because of "device not registered" I always get these installation problemes from Jolla store? | 10:08 |
| flux | rumor says jolla store is having trouble today | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | we have some problems with store right now | 10:08 |
| jjaone123 | Ok, so maybe I'll try the same later.. | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | jjaone123: can you try zypper clean -a and try again? | 10:09 |
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| jjaone123 | I had similar problem previously, but then I did not have the "journalctl -af" log.. | 10:10 |
| TheBootroo | GIMME MAI DEVICE NAO PLZ KTHXBTY | 10:10 |
| jjaone123 | Stskeeps: zypper -a ok, will try | 10:10 |
| atlaz | TheBootroo: Jesus fucking christ, calm the fuck down. | 10:10 |
| jjaone123 | zypper clean -a | 10:10 |
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| Nicd- | atlaz: were you able to install it? | 10:10 |
| atlaz | Nicd-: nah, it said something about dependencies | 10:10 |
| restless_being | I'm trying to log into jolla account but.. I can't because it's not possible to enter _ character on the keyboard... Am I missing something? | 10:10 |
| TheBootroo | i'm not kidding, guys, if i don't get update REALLY soon, it's gonna be armageddon | 10:10 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: geez, still not having your device | 10:11 |
| restless_being | i mean jolla's phone keyboard :D | 10:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | other frenchies got it | 10:11 |
| merlin1991 | TheBootroo: shouldn't that be GIMME MAH DEVICE NAO PLZ KTHXBTY ? | 10:11 |
| TheBootroo | merlin1991: nope | 10:11 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: can you try again? | 10:11 |
| restless_being | ah.. got it.. had to click on "1/2" | 10:11 |
| atlaz | Nicd-: libsailfishapp.so.1 is needed by harbour-sailtime-1..... | 10:11 |
| tachikoma | "BTY"? | 10:11 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: yeah i know | 10:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: :( | 10:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: got it shipping or still paid ? | 10:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: when did you paid ? | 10:11 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: maybe there is an extra T XD | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: 27nov | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | and not a single update since then | 10:12 |
| jjaone123 | zypper: command not found :( | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | excepted the global generic excuse mail | 10:12 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: maybe, i just would not like to say bye after getting a phone with beta os ;) | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jjaone123: pkcon install zypper | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: good luck :/ | 10:12 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: does it give you the opportunity to install them? | 10:12 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin needs moar RAM | 10:12 | |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: :-( | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | on laptop | 10:12 |
| atlaz | Nicd-: i tried installing it by rpm -ivh Downloads/harbour... etc | 10:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: seems to be quite late | 10:13 |
| atlaz | Cause, you know, i don't know what im doing | 10:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (when you paid) | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: can you try with 'pkcon install-local file.rpm'? | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | i need luck and patience and it seems i've run out of both | 10:13 |
| Frye | =( | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | Sfiet_Konstantin: i also paid that day - which was the day i got my shop invitation ;) | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | i'd paid earlier, if i could have | 10:14 |
| TheBootroo | yeah, i would have paid earlier if i had my credential earlier | 10:14 |
| TheBootroo | got them at 10:05, paid at 10:47 | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: ah :( | 10:14 |
| jjaone123 | complains abt PackageKit blocking zypper.. Telling PackageKit to quit: yes | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not nice :( | 10:14 |
| atlaz | Nicd-: allright. Now it installs | 10:14 |
| tachikoma | jjaone123: welcome to packagekit :) | 10:15 |
| jjaone123 | All repositories have been cleaned up. | 10:15 |
| atlaz | Nicd-: says Uptime 1 days 0h 33min. Im pretty sure i've had it on for longer | 10:15 |
| Tofe | atlaz: you didn't reboot for an update or anything ? | 10:16 |
| jjaone123 | ok. now I'll install from device again, and log from ssh with "journalctl -af".. lets see.. | 10:16 |
| atlaz | Tofe: hmmm.. i may have rebooted it when trying to install google play... | 10:16 |
| Tofe | maybe time did stretch a bit, it seems to happen a lot at this time of the year, especially around Jolla :) | 10:16 |
| atlaz | Yeah. I updated my facebook status yesterday at 11:56 AM. "Wohoo, google play on Jolla". So the 1 day uptime is actually realistic :P | 10:17 |
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| atlaz | I was sure i rebooted the phone on saturday since my significant other was mad as hell all day, but hey, could've just as easy been yesterday :P | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: on TMO thread the only people that claim having it delivered have order num < 1000 | 10:19 |
| TheBootroo | pretty low IMHO | 10:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: not everyone is on TMO | 10:19 |
| TheBootroo | i'm 2549 and some people are ~4000 | 10:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and I don't know | 10:19 |
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| Tofe | TheBootroo: people on TMO are likely to be the ones that would jump on the website as soon as the selling starts | 10:20 |
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| tachikoma | at least my decision to get it shiopped to my home adress in case it arrives when I'm on vacation was a good decision | 10:20 |
| Tofe | you've got some biais in your stats :) | 10:20 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: ok so not everyone is on TMO, not everyone updates the spreadsheet, and Jolla give us no precise info, only blurred generical stuff, oh and the website is not up to date.... what the hell can we do ? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | panic? | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | keep calm and fuck it all | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: DONE. | 10:21 |
| Tofe | TheBootroo: in the meantime, you can develop a more precise prediction algorithm | 10:22 |
| tachikoma | well, we can do one of the myriad of other things in life beside waiting for a piece of silicium and plastic ;) | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: i'm tired of prediction, i want/need/require real accurate information | 10:22 |
| tachikoma | I doubt even jolla has that ;) | 10:22 |
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| jjaone123 | Ok, after "zypper clean -a" installation of "Scientific Calculator" worked :) And the journalctl log looks pretty much the same.. | 10:23 |
| jjaone123 | Thanks | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: man, they at least have invoices/tickets from devices/parcel they processed and sent, they just don't want to communicate about it | 10:24 |
| jjaone123 | Maybe this fixes future installs too.. | 10:24 |
| atlaz | Did anyone ever find out how to enable wifi-hotspot from the terminal? Im guessing i need to bring my tablet with me to share the interwebs for my laptop :( | 10:25 |
| jjaone123 | One question: what does the "zypper clean -a" actually clean? | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: thanks for installing. the bug is fixed I see | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | jjaone123: cleans out all cached credentials etc | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: timer still doesn't always work, I have to investigate that | 10:25 |
| atlaz | It now asys 1 days 0h 44min. What does the other numbers on the lower half say? | 10:26 |
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| atlaz | 1.07, 0.98, 0.97 | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: they are load averages for 1, 5 and 15 minutes | 10:26 |
| atlaz | Allright | 10:26 |
| jjaone123 | Stskeeps: ok, thanks. seems that the device registartion status had nothing to do with the problem.. | 10:27 |
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| restless_being | ok, so the first questions: 1. how can I update the device? I see no such option, there's also no notification about available updates | 10:32 |
| ShadowJK | iirc there's a thing in something like "about device" or similar | 10:33 |
| atlaz | settings -> system settings -> about product -> slide down | 10:33 |
| * ShadowJK forgets, only touched a jolla for 5 minutes | 10:33 | |
| jjaone123 | alaz: Pull down ;) | 10:33 |
| atlaz | Yeah :) | 10:34 |
| restless_being | hm, says that it's up to date. but it's 1.0.0.5 | 10:34 |
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| atlaz | Did you PULL down and choose check for updates? | 10:34 |
| restless_being | yes | 10:34 |
| atlaz | Weird. Newest is 1.0.1.10 (laadunjärvi) | 10:35 |
| restless_being | it's checking for updates for a while and then report's it's up to date | 10:35 |
| jjaone123 | restless_being: FYI: mine is at 1.0.1.10 but had problems to upgrate from 1.0.0.5 a week ago.. | 10:36 |
| mord | i could not get the device to update to laadunjärvi via the gui either; pkcon update works though | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | restless_being: you have a jolla account? | 10:36 |
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| restless_being | Stskeeps: yes i do have one | 10:36 |
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| restless_being | i wonder if it's caused by store problem | 10:37 |
| jjaone123 | mord: same here, had to do "pkcon get-updates.." etc.. | 10:37 |
| restless_being | i can't istall for example calendar, as someone mentioned above | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | restless_being: that's not impossible | 10:37 |
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| restless_being | i can't enable developer mode too | 10:38 |
| jjaone123 | restless_being: uhh.. | 10:38 |
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| restless_being | it says that there's a: Problem installing jolla-developer-mod(endofscreen) | 10:39 |
| restless_being | btw -what is this SSU visible on the developer tools page? | 10:39 |
| faenil | restless_being, not public repos | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | restless_being: don't put a login/pass in there :) | 10:41 |
| Tofe | ok, I'll now go on a little walk downtown... | 10:41 |
| jjaone123 | Tofe: have fun ;) which town? | 10:42 |
| Tofe | jjaone123: Turku | 10:42 |
| jjaone123 | Tofe: Ah, Åbo | 10:42 |
| Tofe | jepp, precis | 10:42 |
| jjaone123 | Tofe: have fun eniveis.. | 10:42 |
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| restless_being | Stskeeps: it asks about login pass... so it's not the same as the one for jolla account, right? | 10:43 |
| Tofe | jjaone123: you're from Tampere ? ;) | 10:43 |
| TheBootroo | has anyone with 0€ been shipped? | 10:44 |
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| tbr | restless_being: if you pressed that button you screwed up your repository settings | 10:44 |
| jjaone123 | Tofe: not quite.. I'm in Lapland now... but originally from Hyvinkää (Well-by) | 10:44 |
| tbr | restless_being: there are instructions somewhere, on elinux probably how to fix it | 10:45 |
| restless_being | tbr: oh.. cool | 10:45 |
| restless_being | :/ | 10:45 |
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| Tofe | jjaone123: oh, ok, not quite the same part of the country :) | 10:45 |
| faenil | just run "ssu domain sales" | 10:45 |
| Tofe | ok, can't wait, gotta leave | 10:45 |
| Tofe | bye ! | 10:45 |
| tbr | restless_being: what faenil said | 10:45 |
| tbr | and after that probably also pkcon refresh | 10:45 |
| jjaone123 | Tofe: se on moro!! | 10:45 |
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| restless_being | tbr: but where should i run this command? | 10:46 |
| atlaz | :D | 10:47 |
| tbr | restless_being: either in fingerterm or through ssh | 10:47 |
| jjaone123 | BTW: is this the right channel to discuss development / SaillfishOS related things.. or should I go to #sailfishos chat room, or SailfishOS dev mailing list.. | 10:48 |
| tbr | the other channel is for development issues | 10:48 |
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| jjaone123 | tbr: ok, I have some dev issues, or actually questions abt SDK spesfically.. | 10:49 |
| tbr | then #sailfishos is the place | 10:49 |
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| tbr | just /join #sailfishos | 10:49 |
| jjaone123 | tbr: right, thanks ;) | 10:50 |
| MFaro-Tusino | zypper in jolla-gold jolla-bootchart < does that work for anyone non-Jolla employee? | 10:51 |
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| jjaone123 | tbr: will do.. just want know abt the tQt ranslation tools support and how to use System Settings Gui in own apps etc.. | 10:51 |
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| flux | noticed that the backup system of jolla uses git | 10:53 |
| whippler | hmm whe i deploy to jolla device from the ide, sometimes to UI of the app is unresponsive for some reason. Polley menus wont open, but they play to select sound etc | 10:54 |
| flux | great and all that, but I decided to kill the 100% cpu consuming git after it had been backing up my 1 gigabyte video + a few photos for a few minutes.. | 10:54 |
| whippler | bug, or something wrong with my code | 10:54 |
| jjaone123 | bye all, thanks for listening :) Moving to #sailfishos for now.. | 10:54 |
| flux | also the gui doesn't realize I did it :) | 10:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: what's jolla-gold ? | 10:56 |
| MFaro-Tusino | jolla-gold | Jolla gold theme sfiet_Konstantin: | 10:56 |
| TheBootroo | SCOOP : someone on TMO said that as soon your order goes In Picking you can use your Order Number as Fedex tracking number on their website, and some other members confirmed | 10:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: D: | 10:57 |
| atlaz | What is jolla-gold. I need jolla-gold. What is it? I need it. | 10:57 |
| TheBootroo | anyway, mine is still paid, fedex returns nothing | 10:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: pimp my Jolla to make it like the iPhone 5S champain ? :D | 10:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | There are a lot of packages in the repos I want to get my hands on | 10:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | hehe | 10:57 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | eg. jolla-hw-adaptation-n9 | Jolla HW Adaptation N9 | pattern | 10:58 |
| MFaro-Tusino | | jolla-image-creation-tools | Jolla Image Creation Tools | 10:58 |
| atlaz | Can't you just like pkcon install jolla-gold or...something the likes? | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: hehe | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cannot try, no device atm | 10:58 |
| MFaro-Tusino | atlaz: I got error syaing cant be found (but using N950 so not sure if thats why) | 10:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | s/syaing/saying | 10:59 |
| atlaz | Well im up for trying | 10:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | though I can search for the package and get its title which is odd | 10:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Atalz: Thank you :) | 10:59 |
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| whippler | How can i call a funktion when i swipe to previous page in the app? | 11:00 |
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| atlaz | "fatal error: file './no-oss/noarch(jolla-gold-0.0.3-10.3.1.jolla.noarch.rpm' not found on medium 'http://release.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.10/jolla.armv7hl/" | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | whippler: -> #sailfishos ? | 11:01 |
| MFaro-Tusino | atlaz: Error I got too - so not N950 specific | 11:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | try getting jolla-sailfish-applications | 11:02 |
| whippler | Sfiet_konstantin: is hould ask there?, okey | 11:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | whippler: for apps dev things, better use #sailfishos | 11:02 |
| nadriel | Weird.. For some reason some of my ambiences disappear and also the pictures they we're made of.. | 11:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: tried in gallery > ambience page ? | 11:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aren't they simply "disabled" ? | 11:06 |
| nadriel | Nope, the whole pictures disappear from the pictures section. | 11:06 |
| nadriel | And also the ambiances | 11:06 |
| nadriel | Happened more than once,. | 11:07 |
| nadriel | I wonder if it has something to do with taking backups. | 11:07 |
| restless_being | tbr: stupid questions - will ssh access work with no developer mode enabled? I don't have it enabled so I don't have the terminal | 11:07 |
| tbr | restless_being: nope | 11:07 |
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| restless_being | so.. seems that i'll have to wait for jolla store to be back | 11:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: ... | 11:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: this is wrong | 11:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | where does these pictures comes from ? | 11:10 |
| nadriel | Sfiet_Konstantin, I'm taking backups to the computer and do some research | 11:11 |
| nadriel | Sfiet_Konstantin, they're in the Phone memory, I think, but I need to re-chech, 'cause this is weird. | 11:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: yup | 11:12 |
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| nadriel | I Mean I've already lost most of the pictures that came with jolla, the ambiance pictures, like rope, camera etc. Then I've lost some of my own photos | 11:16 |
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| nadriel | I'm not sure when, but at some point when I wanted to change ambiance there wre only the current one left. | 11:16 |
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| nadriel | Has happened twice, first a few days ago and second time yesterday | 11:17 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: only photos, nothing else ? | 11:18 |
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| nadriel | Today was the first time I've restored from backup. And I've taken 'bout 3-4 backups after I've gotten things set up | 11:18 |
| nadriel | Yes, only photos | 11:18 |
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| nadriel | And only the ones that were made as ambiance. | 11:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: checked if they were still on disk ? | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: dev mode enabled ? | 11:19 |
| nadriel | The first time dev mode was not enabled, I think. Second time it was. | 11:19 |
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| nadriel | I'm currently checking what is amiss.. | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: are photos missing right now | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ? | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if yes, open terminal and cd /home/nemo/Pictures | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ls | 11:20 |
| sharpneli | Have you backported btrfs fixes from later kernel versions to 3.4.0 btw? | 11:20 |
| nadriel | Wait a moment, I'll come back with something in a bit | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nadriel: thx | 11:21 |
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| yanoo | when I started the phone I got a view with possible accounts to enable - twitter, facebook, mail etc, but somehow it dissapear and I cannot find it. Where is it? :D | 11:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yanoo: settings > accounts | 11:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:23 |
| chem|st | woohoo, delivered... | 11:24 |
| yanoo | looks like a lot of celebration today :) | 11:25 |
| chem|st | guys as it seems that we have no tracking numbers... my sister just found out that she can find my package tracking and hers as well by going to fedex and input reference country and postcode | 11:25 |
| chem|st | where reference is your ordernumber (not orderID) | 11:26 |
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| ortylp | My Jolla has just been delivered :D (Germany/BW) | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: congratulations | 11:29 |
| Frye | Sounds like today might be christmas for many :D | 11:29 |
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| ortylp | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 11:29 |
| yanoo | Sfiet_Konstantin: ach, I have to choose "add account" from the pulley menu! found, thanks :) | 11:29 |
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| atlaz | Seems that TheBootroo is the only one not getting a Jolla for christmas | 11:35 |
| ShadowJK | and me | 11:36 |
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| ortylp | my TOH comes in separate delivery | 11:37 |
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| merlin1991 | atlaz: and me ofc | 11:38 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: check fedex with your ordernumber and stuff | 11:39 |
| ortylp | my order status is still "in picking" but Jolla has arrived today anyway, don't loose hope :) | 11:40 |
| faenil | yeah many people received the device with status still in picking, so keep tight guys! :) | 11:41 |
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| nahkiss | still in "paid" | 11:41 |
| nahkiss | *wrists* | 11:41 |
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| chem|st | ortylp: that is what I said... mine is delivered and I am not even at home.. my sister found out that the packages are registered with our ordernumbers as reference at fedex... | 11:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Hm, so by the time it switches to "shipped" or whatever in store, and you get the tracking number, you discover that your jolla has already been 3 times to your house when you've been away, and is now halfway to the north pole? :)) | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: switchover to SANTA DELIVERY SYSTEM | 11:48 |
| ShadowJK | though it doesn't apply to me, hopefully it's Itella for me and not fedex :) | 11:49 |
| restless_being | huh, factory reset "repaired" the device. dev mode enabled, shop works, update in progress | 11:49 |
| triggerhappy | question, when will international orders be shipped? | 11:49 |
| ShadowJK | triggerhappy; EU is shipping | 11:49 |
| restless_being | so ssu was a problem | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | triggerhappy: well, EU is getting theirs currently | 11:49 |
| triggerhappy | still going to be a bit of a wait i guess, thanks | 11:50 |
| Bysmyyr | first happy ones got their phones friday | 11:50 |
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| lildeimos | finally got my shipment# too \o/ | 11:59 |
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| leinir | what's your order number? :) | 11:59 |
| chem|st | triggerhappy: define international... there is only switzerland not EU | 12:01 |
| lildeimos | leinir: #1 :D | 12:02 |
| leinir | lildeimos: derp ;) | 12:02 |
| faenil | lildeimos, \o/ | 12:02 |
| lildeimos | :) | 12:02 |
| chem|st | and sweden sry | 12:02 |
| chem|st | ehrm norway that is... | 12:02 |
| chem|st | I mess that up all times | 12:02 |
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| ShadowJK | eu + switzerland + norway | 12:02 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: thanks ;) | 12:02 |
| ShadowJK | but no iceland? :P | 12:02 |
| triggerhappy | south east asia, philippines to be exact | 12:03 |
| AL13N_work | wasn't asia next on the list? | 12:03 |
| chem|st | triggerhappy: there was no pre-order for asia yet | 12:03 |
| AL13N_work | and didn't they also say that there would be an international webshop early next year? | 12:03 |
| ShadowJK | was first preorder global? | 12:03 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: china is next but I guess they will start china + just like EU + | 12:03 |
| AL13N_work | is it really china? or asia? | 12:04 |
| chem|st | china | 12:04 |
| chem|st | iirc | 12:04 |
| AL13N_work | i thought the china market would have sailfishOS, but possibly diff hardware | 12:04 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: the 0eur pre-order was iirc | 12:04 |
| SpeedEvil | On the one hand. I have no email tracking number. | 12:04 |
| SpeedEvil | On the other hand, I do have the phone. | 12:05 |
| AL13N_work | wut? | 12:05 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: mine is delived and shop shows in picking | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - no. | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The tracking number just arrived. | 12:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:05 |
| chem|st | again... mine is delivered... my sister found out that the packages are registered with our ordernumbers as reference at fedex... | 12:05 |
| leinir | Ha ;) | 12:06 |
| chem|st | she gatulated me to my new phone and I was like wtf | 12:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess they were let down by fedex - and instead of deliverying in 1-3 days upgraded to their 'we teleport a van to your driveway' service. | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | so, they got shipped over the weekend and none was able to send out the tracking numbers and update status, so they are backlogging that now? | 12:06 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I like that service | 12:07 |
| chem|st | +1 | 12:07 |
| chem|st | drone delivery | 12:07 |
| zutto | that sounds like fun delivery | 12:07 |
| merlin1991 | it has a certain imploding the univers touch to it | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | would be possible if there was a drone TOH | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | self-delivered | 12:07 |
| leinir | Hogwarts owl delivery service is best delivery service ;) | 12:07 |
| SpeedEvil | AL13N_work: I've contemplated that. | 12:08 |
| triggerhappy | what i have was the 0 eur pre-order, would that count? | 12:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | AL13N_work: It is somewhat possible in double the mass of the phone | 12:08 |
| chem|st | leinir: what about dota's flying donkey? | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FEDEX TRACKING NUMBER "7.975234E+11" -- not found! O*M*G!!!! | 12:08 |
| leinir | owls win, they just do ;) | 12:08 |
| atlaz | DocScrutinizer05: :P | 12:08 |
| ln- | Nicd-: on the other hand, if /proc/uptime is available on sailfish, wouldn't it be better to read it from there rather than parse a human-readable command output? | 12:09 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 12:09 |
| lildeimos | but here is hunting season. The drone nor owls can pass here! :) | 12:09 |
| AL13N_work | ln-: ++ | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Shipped By Tracking Number | 12:09 |
| SpeedEvil | JollaFedex 7.97393E+11 | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my shipment notification with tracking number from jolla | 12:09 |
| chem|st | hehe | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *SIGH* | 12:09 |
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| AL13N_work | ln-: Nicd-: why not put /proc/uptime through some kind of rrdtool graph? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: that's a real output? | 12:10 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 12:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | I just noticed. | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: omg | 12:10 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: at least it keeps up with the "we have issues" | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | it sure is monday | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 12:11 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: things like this usualy happen tuesdays... | 12:12 |
| AL13N_work | patch tuesday | 12:13 |
| chem|st | machines stop working tuesday 05:00 or friday 16:00 (could patch that up to a master os thesis | 12:13 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: I found a parcel with the reference number and stuff in the fedex tracking, it only has "Shipment information sent to FedEx" the funny bit though is the webinterface it shows "Dimensions1x1x1 cms" | 12:13 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders what fraction of people put the battery in before trying to power it on. | 12:13 | |
| merlin1991 | and "Total shipment weight2.2 lbs / 1 kgs" | 12:13 |
| merlin1991 | that's some high density material right there | 12:13 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 12:13 |
| covox | merlin1991: they opted for the heavy sand | 12:13 |
| AL13N_work | not to mention with an exponential tracking number | 12:13 |
| ortylp | And there is an email from Jolla about oncoming FedEx shipment, that has already been delivered... FedEx has some time machines on board :D | 12:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh - I like the little indicator bar LED | 12:14 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: Abmessungen9x6x4 Zoll | 12:14 |
| ortylp | SpeedEvil: me | 12:14 |
| ln- | merlin1991: my jolla shipment had volume 0 and weight 0.45 kg, so it really risked creating a black hole that would destroy the planet. | 12:14 |
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| nadriel | SpeedEvil, you mean not everyone opened the box and watched what it contains, put in sim card etc before powering on? | 12:14 |
| SpeedEvil | On a random topic. Are spare parts available - if for example I drop it and kill the screen? (I'm aware that the screen will be expensive) | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: was your e-mail with the bad fedex tracking number too? | 12:15 |
| AL13N_work | SpeedEvil: but the grlass is gorrilla resistent! | 12:15 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: I guess urs isn't shipped yet or is it? | 12:16 |
| SpeedEvil | AL13N_work: I rarely have devices damaged by any primate other than homonids. | 12:16 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 12:16 |
| * AL13N_work too... my son | 12:16 | |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: time-theory makes the sentence very difficult | 12:16 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: I'm not at home atm, but judging from the tracking information from fedex, fedex still doesn't have the parcel | 12:16 |
| ortylp | no Idea, I got the email a few minutes ago, that is after Jolla was already dellivered | 12:17 |
| * stuartmd was surprised to have "received" a FedEx package an hour before the email notifcation (delivered to the other office - boss teased me by letting me know the contents) ;) | 12:18 | |
| ortylp | I see no fedex tracking number in this email | 12:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ortylp: do you get a scientific notation tracking number? | 12:18 |
| stuartmd | SpeedEvil: yeah, I just noticed that :D a fun parsing error indeed | 12:19 |
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| * sledges got jolla shipped! \o/ | 12:19 | |
| sledges | scientific notation tracking number :((( | 12:19 |
| ortylp | SpeedEvil: yes, you are right... scientific notation... ech... | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | i've let the right people know, but that bug is hilarious and scary at same time | 12:20 |
| AL13N_work | sledges: huh? you got the email before the delivery? how odd? | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and do you really think it ends with "000000"? | 12:20 |
| AL13N_work | DocScrutinizer05: that's why it's scary | 12:20 |
| sledges | AL13N_work: why would i get shipping info email after delivery? :D | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Not found | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | No record of this tracking number can be found. For more information, please contact Customer Service at 1.800.GoFedEx 1.800.463.3339 | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KTNXBYE | 12:21 |
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| kor | :D | 12:21 |
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| kor | number: 2017785e7 | 12:22 |
| kor | "k" | 12:22 |
| sledges | i can calmly tolerate numerous hickups from a --startup-- who is delivering such a product (see how many LoC they contributed to Qt this year) | 12:22 |
| kor | actually ends with 0078 | 12:22 |
| AL13N_work | sledges: apparently that's the norm, this monday | 12:23 |
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| kor | it's pretty badass in my opinion | 12:23 |
| atlaz | Messing up the tracking numbers that way is just silly. I mean really silly. | 12:23 |
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| sledges | when you are in a hurry, putting %e instead of %d is quite likely, how many times did a developer (myself) done this while approaching a milestone during a night full of caffeine? | 12:24 |
| Mirv | Stskeeps: re: jolla store, sorry for lack of verbosity, I was having lunch with my jolla. if you need any debug output, just tell. | 12:24 |
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| sledges | AL13N_work: sorry my sarcasm detector is still off (it's monday ;P) | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | Mirv: yeah, sorry - try zypper clean -a | 12:25 |
| atlaz | It's gonna be fun to watch a Jolla-documentary in a couple of years. "Yeah, we didn't really have any resources, or anything like that. We just did everything by hand or some kind of makeshift-solutions. Things were bad. Real bad." | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: RIOT-ON 2.0 | 12:25 |
| atlaz | Yeah :P | 12:25 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't get that reference | 12:25 |
| atlaz | Riot-on was a finnish mobile games company that took investors money, did some powerpoint-slideshows and partied away all the monies | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | As long as I don't have to make another post on the xkcd forums. | 12:26 |
| atlaz | like millions of euros | 12:26 |
| AL13N_work | ah, that | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0427783/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | worth a watch | 12:26 |
| Mirv | Stskeeps: no zypper installed in default configuration it seems, should I install it? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | Mirv: if you can | 12:27 |
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| Nicd- | ln-, AL13N_work: I didn't know about /proc/uptime :) | 12:29 |
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| stephg | woo I got an order number | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | stephg: is it in scientific notation? | 12:31 |
| Mirv | Stskeeps: zypper clean -a (which prompted to kill PackageKit) did not help, opening Store again and trying install yields the problem installing still. | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | Mirv: hrrm | 12:31 |
| zutto | wait, jolla uses zypper? | 12:31 |
| zutto | cool | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | zutto: pkcon | 12:31 |
| zutto | ah | 12:31 |
| Mirv | zutto: actually pkcon, I just installed zypper now too | 12:32 |
| zutto | ah | 12:32 |
| zutto | that explains it | 12:32 |
| Nicd- | ln-: /proc/uptime doesn't give load averages though | 12:32 |
| zutto | i would have been very amazed if jolla used zypper, lol | 12:32 |
| * TheBootroo back from lunch, still no email, no update, no tracking number | 12:32 | |
| TheBootroo | Hurry up Jolla, dammit | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: at least you haven't received it in scientific notation | 12:32 |
| ln- | Nicd-: i suspect those are also available somewhere under /proc, somehow. | 12:33 |
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| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: i can read scientific notation, hexadecimal, binary and base64, i'm a nerd ya know | 12:33 |
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| TheBootroo | i would rather have a scientific notation tracking number than nothing | 12:33 |
| TheBootroo | at least would mean the package is gone | 12:33 |
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| TheBootroo | and it seems order number can be used on fedex.com to track package so the one with weird numbers, just try | 12:34 |
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| TheBootroo | seems that many people got it today, excepted me, and tachikoma | 12:34 |
| merlin1991 | TheBootroo: still nothing here aswell ;) | 12:34 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, just in case, i also got it in scientific notation | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | we're on top of it :) | 12:35 |
| rcg | i thought so :) | 12:36 |
| rcg | as said, just in case ;) | 12:36 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps, you know, there are always three cases: best case, worst case, and just in case :) | 12:36 |
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| till | Stskeeps have you been able to track with your tracking cientific number? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | till: no, but you can work around it and search by order no supposedly | 12:38 |
| * stephg_ got his tracking email too woop! | 12:38 | |
| Azog | i also got a id in scientific notation, but adding all the zeros points to a package going to texax | 12:38 |
| restless_being | is there anything special required to be able to access the phone connected to computer (with ubuntu) via usb? it's discovered as "Sailfish" buth when I click on the device it says that there's Unspecifed error. | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | restless_being: It does not support mass storage. | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | restless_being: Does your OS do MTP? | 12:39 |
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| till | my order no does not work :/ | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | till: anyway, give it a bit and the right ones should come | 12:40 |
| restless_being | SpeedEvil: google says that there are extra packages for ubuntu to install in order to have mtp support | 12:40 |
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| covox | restless_being: gnome's MTP support is bloody awful, you might have more luck if you install gmtp | 12:40 |
| covox | or, if you're on the old LTS, a newer revision of libmtp9 | 12:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume it's not possible to install flash on the jolla browser. (I know, I know) | 12:42 |
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| covox | SpeedEvil: you assume correct | 12:42 |
| restless_being | covox: it's latest 13.10 | 12:43 |
| TheBootroo | @JollaHQ, please hurry up, it's not funny anymore ...; | 12:44 |
| kor | wut | 12:46 |
| kor | this isn't twitter | 12:46 |
| covox | restless_being: if you run "apt-cache show libmtp9", what version is it? | 12:46 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: got a tracking number too... 7.97391E+11^^ | 12:49 |
| restless_being | covox: Version: 1.1.6-2 | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | 'unless you pass this intelligence test, you cannot use a beta phone'..? | 12:50 |
| till | ah now tracking does work, and it's already in the country :D | 12:50 |
| jreznik | chem|st: :) 7.97392E+11 | 12:50 |
| Frye | Hmm, my calendar just crashes when I try to create event. | 12:51 |
| AJAX555 | by the way, can I change the password used in jolla shop? | 12:52 |
| Frye | It complains about not being able to create calendar on startup: Unable to create calendar database directory: "/home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal" | 12:52 |
| Frye | And starts up fine, but when I accept the create new event dialog it segfaults | 12:52 |
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| Morpog_N9 | nooooo, package arrived at hime, but no one was at home :( | 12:54 |
| Morpog_N9 | they try again tomorrow | 12:55 |
| covox | restless_being: yeah that's the latest library, give gmtp a shot | 12:55 |
| Frye | And I'd really need my calendar. | 12:55 |
| covox | or nerd up and use ssh :) | 12:55 |
| restless_being | yeah, i just did it:D | 12:55 |
| restless_being | i mean used ssh | 12:55 |
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| restless_being | but will try gmtp later | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | Morpog_N9: at least you are having it soon | 12:56 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: mh, more and more deliveries arrives, can;t take too long anymore :) | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: excepted that all people with deliveris are <x00001000 | 12:57 |
| Frye | Stskeeps, got any idea how to clear Calendar metadata completely? | 12:57 |
| TheBootroo | seen no one with > #20002xxx | 12:57 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: yeah, but it seems to speed up | 12:57 |
| Morpog_N9 | 1006 here | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: mmmmh, not really, to me seems more like most of picking up from last week are receiving it, but not many NEW shipment seem to happen | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | Morpog_N9: too low, 2549 here, and tachikoma is over 2600 | 12:58 |
| leinir | 3386 :P | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | leinir: bad for you | 12:59 |
| Azog | tracking-code from is useless, phone is here, hooray | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | you'll maybe get it in July... 2016 | 12:59 |
| leinir | Well, i'm about a thousand kilometres away from the door to which it'll be delivered anyway and won't be back until the 22nd, so i'm ok ;) | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | please everyone update the spreadsheet | 13:00 |
| Frye | Ah, think I got it fixed. | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | cause % didn't really go down these days | 13:00 |
| Frye | removed db* from the Calendar directory | 13:00 |
| Frye | and launched it again via invoker | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=0 | 13:01 |
| rauz_ | me ready to leave for work, fedex truck pulls up outside, waiting with so much joy, package is for my roommate he payed extra only that his package is deliverd by fedex to see my face i f****** hate him | 13:02 |
| Frye | Now that i mean :-) | 13:03 |
| Frye | is* | 13:03 |
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| Morpog_N9 | lol rauz | 13:03 |
| rauz_ | more than mean | 13:03 |
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| TheBootroo | i f***** hate the whole universe by now and i will calm down only when a certain piece of technology will be in my hand | 13:03 |
| TheBootroo | not before | 13:04 |
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| covox | TheBootroo: get a grip man | 13:04 |
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| rauz_ | but nothing i can do but patiently wait | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: calm down a bit, this is your first warning - this isn't #jollamobile-rant :) | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | but you're free to start it | 13:04 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: i won't calm down, and it's not against you, i'm jsut starting to turn really mad, nothing anormal to that | 13:05 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: i think stskeeps is being nice, /kickban may happen ;-) | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | okay, but keep it out of here. it's obviously bothering others too. | 13:06 |
| AJAX555 | TheBootroo: in that case, you need to eat something | 13:06 |
| AJAX555 | just like I need to.. | 13:06 |
| TheBootroo | AJAX555: already lunched | 13:06 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: you need some distraction urgent ;) | 13:06 |
| AJAX555 | yeah I bought a 100e distraction | 13:07 |
| AJAX555 | however it only distracted for ~1hour | 13:07 |
| tachikoma | i got me a ssd for my laptop | 13:07 |
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| tachikoma | that is still keeping me busy, i have enough space now for sailfisos sdk ;) | 13:07 |
| Frye | =) | 13:07 |
| yanoo | lol, just received tracking number :D | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | yanoo: woohoo :D | 13:08 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: i indeed need a distraction, about 4.5 inches large, with a black&white outfit, and some kind of glass on top of it | 13:08 |
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| TheBootroo | tachikoma: sdk installed since months, already bored of it, nothing to see, not a single app, and not even ambience in it | 13:08 |
| covox | TheBootroo: why not visit the zoo, plenty of baby penguins | 13:09 |
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| TheBootroo | covox: i don't have money to spend anymore | 13:09 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: http://www.amazon.com/G-W-Schleidt-STC10-BW-4-Inch-5-Minute/dp/B004VN64ES ;) | 13:10 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: how many times will i have to shake it up-down before i get my precious ? | 13:10 |
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| AJAX555 | many | 13:11 |
| Frye | At least it would keep you busy counting? | 13:11 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: i installed the sdk not to watch the emulator, I'm learning qml currently, that is enough distraction for me atm | 13:11 |
| Milo- | tachikoma I wrote a hour glass application for n900 back in the olden days. | 13:11 |
| tachikoma | Milo-: :) | 13:11 |
| Frye | I have been playing around with the same game tutorial | 13:11 |
| Milo- | maybe I should port it to Jolla and give out for free :P | 13:11 |
| Frye | Some more tweaking to do and a settings page and it might be ready for others to play too :-) | 13:11 |
| Milo- | Frye oh yeah, it might have been a tutorial kind of thing. | 13:12 |
| Milo- | original tutorial didn't use accelerometer though? | 13:12 |
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| * SpeedEvil passes TheBootroo a small glass of beer. | 13:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | Guinness even | 13:16 |
| Milo- | so not even beer. | 13:16 |
| TheBootroo | SpeedEvil: nice try, but i don't like beer \o/ | 13:16 |
| TheBootroo | i like Whiskey or Vodka | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | 4.5 inches, glass on top, black and white | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | On an unrelated and actually on topic matter. | 13:16 |
| TheBootroo | SpeedEvil: does it run Sailfish ? | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone else seeing failure to login - 'no connection' on yandex store? | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | err-'server unavailable' | 13:17 |
| covox | SpeedEvil: have you updated the OS yet? | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | No,that's in progress. | 13:19 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about get_iplayer | 13:21 | |
| Acce | SpeedEvil: I had that too, but it started working by setting the locale to English | 13:22 |
| chouchoune | got my Jolla, thanks sailors !!! \o/ | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune: good, let us know of first impressions | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I already did that. | 13:23 |
| chouchoune | good for the moment | 13:23 |
| Acce | Are you already connecting through wlan? | 13:23 |
| chouchoune | missing carddav/caldav, I guess I will have to try to implement that ;) | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Acce: yes | 13:23 |
| Acce | okay, then you have already done what I had to do to get it to work | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Acce: I don't have a SIM in it at theoment, and my dataplanismurderously expensive. | 13:24 |
| chouchoune | and strange to receive the tracking number via email ... 10 minutes after receiving the package ;) | 13:24 |
| * TheBootroo checking shop.jolla.com, inbox, junk, tmo, and spreadsheet hundreds of times a day, getting really mad about the serious lack of information and copy-pasted PR in mails | 13:24 | |
| tachikoma | so cool | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Minor annoyance - no UK plug. | 13:24 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: looks like all that checking is pointless if the ophones arrive without any notification before that | 13:24 |
| TheBootroo | chouchoune: what's your order number ? | 13:24 |
| faenil | TheBootroo, it can't be long time left, just try to calm down, it's very, very close now :) | 13:25 |
| chouchoune | 8xx | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | chouchoune: only ~800 ? still so far away from me.... | 13:25 |
| chouchoune | Order # 200000853 | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | why the fuck didn't we see any 2000+ with update/delivery ??? | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | many <1000, a few 1000+, but after that, nothing | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Random complications - it'd be nice to be able to add a 32G microSD to the order page. But that obviously complicates things. | 13:26 |
| chouchoune | don't worry it seams to be quick to arrive once sent | 13:26 |
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| chouchoune | I actually didn't even know that it was sent when Fedex called me to deliver ;) | 13:26 |
| TheBootroo | tried the fedex 'search by reference' trick, but obviously didn't work for me as my package doesn't even exist | 13:26 |
| chouchoune | I received the package before receiving the email with tracking number from Jolla | 13:27 |
| TheBootroo | chouchoune: the "once sent" is the missing bit here | 13:27 |
| TheBootroo | chouchoune: yeah but in this case the tracking by order number on fedex website should return something | 13:27 |
| TheBootroo | even without jolla useless mail (cause too late and badly encoded afaik) | 13:28 |
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| tachikoma | TheBootroo: my guess is that is because they started sending out with 0 and then just went up | 13:28 |
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| TheBootroo | "oh yeah, your phone was shipped and you already recevied it, here, take this unreadable tracking id as a bonus " | 13:28 |
| chouchoune | TheBootroo: doesn't work in my case | 13:29 |
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| tachikoma | TheBootroo: come on, it's their first phone | 13:29 |
| artemma | doh, order numbers below 2800 were deleted in the crowdsourced spreadsheet | 13:29 |
| tachikoma | I would n't want to know how I'd fuck up something like that doing it the first time | 13:29 |
| TheBootroo | artemma: one more fucker ?? it already happened once | 13:30 |
| artemma | TheBootroo apparently yes unless I am missing something | 13:30 |
| TheBootroo | artemma: still good here | 13:30 |
| TheBootroo | trying refesh | 13:30 |
| chouchoune | TheBootroo: hey, they promised delivery in 2013, it's happening : what else do you expect ? | 13:30 |
| artemma | I can see only first 250 lines.. maybe Google Docs just don't show me more for some reason.. | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | chouchoune: happening for some of us, yes | 13:31 |
| artemma | ah! paging there | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | artemma: ok | 13:31 |
| chouchoune | TheBootroo: there is still some time before end of 2013 | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | chouchoune: not for me, i leave and travel on 21th, and will be back on 8th Jan 2014 | 13:31 |
| tachikoma | I actually am quite surprised that the spreadsheet does not get vandalized by some troll | 13:31 |
| chouchoune | just wait 2 weeks to complain if they don't match their promise | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | so if i don't get it before i leave i WON'T have it in 2013 | 13:32 |
| artemma | Highest inPocking order is 2383 so far | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | tachikoma: my worst fear is that somebody suddenly starts all of them lumias.. | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | +shiping | 13:32 |
| covox | awesome, peace and quiet in 5 days | 13:32 |
| tachikoma | lol | 13:32 |
| TheBootroo | hum, i ordered on 27nov, so enough time to receive it before i leave, normally | 13:32 |
| TheBootroo | at least that's why i paid | 13:32 |
| TheBootroo | covox: don't dream too much, i have internet on mobile | 13:33 |
| tachikoma | rotfl | 13:33 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: It's good you keep their feet on the ground. | 13:33 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: so, we will see your reaction when the phone arrives on 22nd? ;) | 13:33 |
| Milo- | I'd totally run /ignore, if I didn't enjoy the drama :P | 13:33 |
| chouchoune | TheBootroo: you still have one week, and Jolla is not responsible for your vacations | 13:34 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: well if it arrive at home when i am in travel, i'll just fuck everything up and whine as much as humanly possible for that screwed up christmas | 13:34 |
| MMori | (I sense a fight incoming) | 13:34 |
| TheBootroo | chouchoune: i won't even answer that | 13:35 |
| TheBootroo | Milo-: you mean | 13:35 |
| TheBootroo | i pratically get a mini heart-attack each time i got a new email notification | 13:35 |
| TheBootroo | and a big amout of hope at start which goes each time lower | 13:36 |
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| TheBootroo | i strongly beleive in Jolla/sailfish technology, but obviously their communication and logistic is poop | 13:37 |
| RaYmAn | you might want to revisit your priorities if a phone not being shipped can ruin your christmas. | 13:37 |
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| ShadowJK | It makes sense. Spare time to learn new phone etc :P | 13:37 |
| TheBootroo | RaYmAn: well, when you order only one thing for christmas, and waiting if for monthes, yes it can totally ruin your mood/pleasure on holidays | 13:37 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders squaretrade warraanty. | 13:38 | |
| tachikoma | hey, it's also my only present for christmas ;) | 13:38 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes there was a parts store. (or at least screens) | 13:38 | |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: hehe, but it seems some people here have a lot more money so they don't really care about one more / one less gift | 13:39 |
| TheBootroo | that's not my case | 13:39 |
| jussi | I have no money. :P | 13:39 |
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| TheBootroo | i work hard each day to earn money, put a little each month aside since May to buy my own gifts as nobody has enough money to offer it to me, so at least i can have it in time | 13:39 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: how to set up Yandex.Store when you country number is higher than +9 ? ;) | 13:40 |
| jussi | TheBootroo: theres a big difference to spending your own money and suggesting how someone else spends theirs... | 13:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Nobody uses 1Mobile Market on their Jolla? | 13:40 |
| jussi | so take suggestions from people with a grain of salt | 13:40 |
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| tachikoma | TheBootroo: well, i save money primarily to buy presents for my kids | 13:40 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: i don't have kids atm | 13:40 |
| Acce | MFaro-Tusino: I installed it today, seems ok | 13:41 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Acce: Everything works? | 13:41 |
| Acce | As far as I tested.. at least it recognized which android apps I had installed already. Don't know about commercial apps though, haven't tried buying anything | 13:42 |
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| tachikoma | TheBootroo: i'm just saying, not much money left here as well | 13:46 |
| Azog | is there a way to export messages from n900/maemo to the jolla phone? | 13:46 |
| Yaniel | vcf | 13:46 |
| ShadowJK | messages? | 13:47 |
| Milo- | Azog http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-83166.html and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1394081 | 13:47 |
| Yaniel | oh, messages | 13:47 |
| Azog | thanks, Milo- | 13:47 |
| Azog | vcf is for contacts | 13:48 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 13:48 |
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| Milo- | Azog I haven't done that yet, but that should work with a little bit of effort. afaik jolla's separator is ";" rather than ",". | 13:49 |
| chouchoune | does anyone know how to change the color chosen a the beginning | 13:51 |
| chouchoune | ? | 13:51 |
| Milo- | chouchoune gallery -> ambience | 13:52 |
| ShadowJK | When I tested a jolla 10 minutes, I always ended accidentally up at ambiences for some reason | 13:53 |
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| Milo- | ShadowJK by swiping left/right at the "main" screen? | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | I guess | 13:54 |
| ShadowJK | It wasnt entirely clear to me what main screen would be :) | 13:54 |
| Yaniel | I did not have that problem | 13:54 |
| covox | yeah... I think you can flag ambiences as favourites, then they get added to the swipe left screen | 13:54 |
| Yaniel | since I unfavourited all ambiences almost immediately | 13:54 |
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| petantik | ha! that was a quick delivery. got an email at 1230 that phone has shipped, and it arrives at 1345 | 13:55 |
| Milo- | ambiences is a nice way to silence your phone, but not quite as simple as pressing volume down button few times in the pocket (like in n9) or holding # down for few seconds (like in classic nokia phones) | 13:55 |
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| sledges | AL13N_work: you were right, fedex tried to deliver it to my empty house this morning \o/ | 13:57 |
| Morpog_N9 | sledges, same fate for me | 13:58 |
| ShadowJK | petantik; teleportation | 13:58 |
| sledges | will leave work early to get to delivery point instead | 13:58 |
| Azog | it seems this smsExport is only for n9, not for n900 | 13:58 |
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| petantik | ShadowJK: I was trying to track it when the doorbell rang. | 13:59 |
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| * ShadowJK is reminded he still hasn't ground down his sim to microsim size | 14:00 | |
| TheBootroo | petantik, sledges, Azog, Morpog_N9, chouchoune, SpeedEvil, yanoo : y'all lucky bastards | 14:00 |
| TheBootroo | :-( | 14:00 |
| sledges | and we are growing in numbers :) | 14:01 |
| Azog | i hope so | 14:01 |
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| sledges | (zombie apocalypse approaching) | 14:01 |
| ShadowJK | TheBootroo; if you go rob fedex, surely you'll find many jollas | 14:01 |
| sledges | (when everyone will want to install nemo on their n9s :D because of receiving jolla) | 14:01 |
| TheBootroo | ShadowJK: nice idea, but i don't want many, i just want mine, the one i paid for | 14:01 |
| cvp | i arrive today my phone, but have some problems... i want to use my own xmpp server with different ports, how i can change the port from standard to my ? | 14:02 |
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| Acce | cvp: try the address:port notation? | 14:02 |
| * ShadowJK imagines TheBootroo screaming at the police hostage negotiator: "Yes I have 50 Jollas here and 20 hostages, but I want MY Jolla, NOW" | 14:03 | |
| cvp | moment i will do | 14:03 |
| yanoo | is there an easy way to make a screenshot? | 14:03 |
| TheBootroo | ShadowJK: oh fuck yea | 14:03 |
| TheBootroo | :-D | 14:03 |
| Milo- | yanoo download app called 'screenshot' from jolla store (it's a native app) | 14:04 |
| Pnuu | yanoo: there's two apps in.. | 14:04 |
| Pnuu | damn, I'm always slow | 14:04 |
| yanoo | :) | 14:05 |
| yanoo | thanks | 14:05 |
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| Acce | how is that ambient changing with swipe supposed to work? | 14:06 |
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| cvp | Acce no i dont have it right now, because i dont know how i can import one vcard with over 100 caontacs in | 14:08 |
| Yaniel | easily | 14:08 |
| Acce | vcard = .vcf? | 14:08 |
| Acce | just email it to yourself or something and open it | 14:09 |
| AL13N_work | i assume so | 14:09 |
| cvp | yes | 14:09 |
| Yaniel | dump the file on the device and xdg-open it | 14:09 |
| Yaniel | if it does not work (like when the file was exported from the osx address book) try the vcardconverter tool (needs devel-su) | 14:09 |
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| Acce | Has someone used XMPP on the device? Is the messaging integrated to the SMS application? | 14:12 |
| cvp | Acce ... ok perfect , i have send by bluetooth.... | 14:12 |
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| w00t | Acce: it is | 14:15 |
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| cvp | Acce hope you can give some tipps... i try two pop3 emails, but he cant connet to server, i think its a problem with the ports, the think ist, my email companys dont need any security | 14:15 |
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| Acce | w00t: Where can I connect people to their XMPP accounts? I can't find any field for that in People.. | 14:16 |
| w00t | Acce: I don't understand your question | 14:16 |
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| leinir | guessing you're looking for merging or linking of contacts... | 14:16 |
| Acce | I mean that, since I have contacts who use XMPP, how am I supposed to tell the phone that "this person has an account, give me an option to send via XMPP" | 14:17 |
| cvp | oh my company has ssl ... ok working :D | 14:18 |
| w00t | Acce: when you add the account, they'll appear in people | 14:18 |
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| restless_being | anyone experiencing problem with android apps? I installed play store (using the instructions http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-google-play-store-and-google-play-services-on-the-jolla-smartphone/) and whatsapp but each of them closes immediately after is started | 14:18 |
| restless_being | another on - is it possible to somehow uninstall or reinstall apk's ? | 14:19 |
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| Turski | Acce: when you select people and select send messages, it asks what type of message you want to send | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | fap fap fap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMAPJVLtSHc&feature=youtu.be | 14:20 |
| Acce | hmm.. ok, let's see | 14:20 |
| Kiranos | TheBootroo: is it yours? | 14:22 |
| Turski | it's a bit weird that ar least in finnish it has been translated as "send text message" and not just "send message", i don't know how it is in english UI | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | Kiranos: sadly not | 14:22 |
| Kiranos | ok thought you got yours :( | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | Kiranos: /me just watching Jolla pr0n undressing huh... unboxing on Youtube while waiting the status update | 14:22 |
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| Turski | i would like to see Jolla disassembly video, don't want to dissassembly mine :P | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: heh, i just realized i don't know how it looks inside | 14:25 |
| Turski | but those screws are tempting me every time i remove the other half | 14:25 |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps is it by design that "settings -> apps -> people" has near infinite list of elements, that just say "From file" after importing contacts from a network service? | 14:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Milo-: errm, i wouldn't know how to answer that | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | screenshot? | 14:27 |
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| Acce | Should I somehow explicitly sign in to the XMPP account or is it automatic after I save the password? | 14:29 |
| Pnuu_ | Acce: check the notification pulley menu | 14:29 |
| Acce | after inputting the password and swiping left, I see page saying "not signed in" and button "sign in now", but completing the swipe that page immediately disappears | 14:29 |
| Turski | Acce: go to notifications screen and select show status | 14:30 |
| Plnt | Acce: you can sign-in in the notifications app by opening the pully menu "Show presence details" | 14:30 |
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| Acce | Oh.. | 14:30 |
| yanoo | Acce: I have the same problem | 14:30 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps http://u.meelo.org/people.png and the list goes on forever. | 14:30 |
| Milo- | hard to show the scrollbar. | 14:30 |
| Acce | Well, this should be clarified somehow | 14:30 |
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| Acce | or was it written in the manual how to do this? | 14:31 |
| Plnt | Acce: i just played with the phone for some time to find out :) | 14:31 |
| yanoo | in the status control I don't see my xmpp account :| only fb and google | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: thaaat looks like a bug | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: 'network service'? | 14:32 |
| Milo- | could be related on that mistake of allowing my device to import contacts from facebook. I've clicked few of those "From file" options and they link to people on facebook. | 14:32 |
| Milo- | I don't actually know them all, but they are probably friends of my friends. or something stupid like that. | 14:32 |
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| Milo- | I don't have infinite number of contacts on my facebook page. I can ensure you that much :P | 14:33 |
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| Plnt | how long does your battery in jolla last? if i have some light browser use and few quick phone calls/sms i can barely make a day. is that normal? i guess some power saving updates will be delivered during the next few weeks, just checking if the numbers i have are similar to other people :) | 14:35 |
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| Acce | yanoo: me too, XMPP doesn't show up | 14:35 |
| till | §$%&§$% fedex.... | 14:36 |
| Yaniel | Plnt: ~24h at best it would seem | 14:36 |
| Plnt | Yaniel: thanks | 14:36 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: I have 4 "From file"'s on my device.. | 14:36 |
| Yaniel | having wlan or cellular data switched on eats away a lot of battery time | 14:36 |
| Yaniel | and positioning even more | 14:36 |
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| Plnt | Yaniel: yep, i'm disabling wlan when i'm not @home. as for the positioning i should try that, too. | 14:38 |
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| * TheBootroo called fedex france to try having information about a parcel at this name, they have nothing yet | 14:41 | |
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| Acce | Could the unability to connect to my XMPP service because I have self-written ssl certificate? | 14:42 |
| tigeli | Acce: yes | 14:42 |
| Acce | tigely: So how should I deal with it? can I tell Jolla to accept the certificate anyways? | 14:43 |
| Acce | that's what I do with other clients | 14:43 |
| Plnt | Acce: yes, most likely. i hit the same issue with self-signed cert | 14:43 |
| Plnt | Acce: there were hits in my jabber server logs but jolla won't connect and no error message | 14:43 |
| merlin1991 | Acce: you can probably use a start.com cert on your server | 14:44 |
| Plnt | Acce: if i tried the XMPP jolla against google XMPP servers with my gmail account it worked | 14:44 |
| Acce | merlin1991: they give certs for free? | 14:44 |
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| merlin1991 | only that start.com isn't the right url, but yes there is a certificate authority that gives 1 cert for free | 14:45 |
| Plnt | Acce: you can get one free cert from http://www.startssl.com/ | 14:45 |
| merlin1991 | I'm using it on my jabber server | 14:45 |
| Acce | Plnt: I see.. One thing about the current phone is that it gives almost no information when something fails.. | 14:45 |
| Plnt | that's what merlin1991 probably wanted to write :) | 14:45 |
| Acce | Thanks for the tip guys! | 14:45 |
| Plnt | np | 14:46 |
| merlin1991 | Plnt: yep :D | 14:46 |
| TheBootroo | http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/first-ever-functional-custom-other-half-shown-to-public/ | 14:46 |
| Acce | I think the phone should give more error messages when the developer mode is switched on | 14:46 |
| Plnt | Acce: maybe what would be a good idea is to have some kind of app for accessing system log which will be available in developer mode | 14:47 |
| Yaniel | a ui for journalctl | 14:48 |
| Acce | ah, I should have checked journal, I totally forgot I can do that on the device :) | 14:48 |
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| AL13N_work | TheBootroo: Jonni told us last night | 14:51 |
| TheBootroo | AL13N_work: well | 14:52 |
| stephg | TheBootroo have you had your email yet? | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | stephg: nope | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | no email, no call, no update; no tracking num, not much hope anymore | 14:52 |
| stephg | I got mine maybe 3 hours ago and my Jolla was here in the office this afternoon:- I'm in .uk | 14:52 |
| stephg | it may be very near you already jus't just haven't had the communication | 14:53 |
| TheBootroo | stephg: nope, i just called Fedex, they have no package at my name/country in their system | 14:53 |
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| AL13N_work | TheBootroo: you had a big num, right, | 14:57 |
| AL13N_work | ? | 14:57 |
| Acce | "AccountSyncAdapter.qml: Account 6 from jabber isn't syncable" is what I get when trying to save my XMPP account | 14:57 |
| Acce | nothing about the certificate.. but I guess it's the problem anyways | 14:57 |
| TheBootroo | AL13N_work: hell yes, #200002549 | 14:57 |
| AL13N_work | well, should be near | 14:57 |
| AL13N_work | iinm someone 22XX had already been delivered | 14:57 |
| AL13N_work | perhaps wednesday | 14:58 |
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| till | mine xxx410 might have been delivered... if they would have chosen another courier.... | 14:58 |
| Acce | Yaniel: an UI would be great, the terminal is not very great with virtual keyboard | 14:59 |
| petantik | where is the password set to allow login over ssh? | 14:59 |
| Acce | petantik: same place you switch developer mode on and off | 14:59 |
| TheBootroo | AL13N_work: that was a 1000022xx, that's not the same things afaik | 14:59 |
| AL13N_work | it was? | 15:00 |
| AL13N_work | i donno if it's another thing, if that 1 was also preorder 0EUR or outside of finland | 15:00 |
| AL13N_work | it might not matter | 15:00 |
| TheBootroo | AL13N_work: well, it SHOULDN'T matter, but it seems to matter | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm probably being silly. I'm ssh'd into the phone, and want to remove the password and add a keyfile. Normally easy - create authorized_keys (however it's spelled) and jam id_rsa.pub in there with the right permissions. | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | So I can ssh into the phone with no password. | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no ~nemo/.ssh | 15:04 |
| tabasko_ | SpeedEvil: I think you can create it? :) | 15:04 |
| teve | mkdir -m 700 ~nemo/.ssh ;-) | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Well -yes. | 15:04 |
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| tabasko_ | and then add authorized_keys containing your pub key | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh- wait. | 15:04 |
| tabasko_ | like remote linux hosts usually | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I had a silly misconception about how ssh ligging inworks - and of course that's not where the plaintext passwords are stored. | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | MOAR COFFEE | 15:05 |
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| valdur55 | What? | 15:11 |
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| valdur55 | netsplit? | 15:11 |
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| stephg | think so | 15:13 |
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| TheBootroo | hours are sooooo long when you are waiting for something really hard | 15:18 |
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| TheBootroo | :-((( | 15:18 |
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| Kiranos | TheBootroo: thats what she said :P | 15:21 |
| TheBootroo | Kiranos: \o/ | 15:21 |
| TheBootroo | nice one, dude | 15:21 |
| TheBootroo | (that's also what she said ;-) )) | 15:21 |
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| Milhouse | Is it possible to create a tweet from the event view without replying to someone in your timeline? | 15:24 |
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| ccha4 | oh 4G for next jolla update ? | 15:24 |
| Milhouse | And the Notes app hangs if you open the context menu then dismiss it... :) | 15:24 |
| Pnuu | ccha4: Q1/2014 I believe | 15:25 |
| ccha4 | I can use on the 1st functionnal TOH link | 15:25 |
| Pnuu | there might be another bugfix update before that | 15:25 |
| ccha4 | oh I see the pictures and didn't read it :) | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Milhouse: did you upgrade yet? | 15:28 |
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| anonfriese_ | Milhouse: right on the events view there is a input field (just above the icon for the twitter feed), from there you can post stuff and even select, to which services | 15:31 |
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| TheBootroo | huge slowdown on spreadsheet percentage... only ~1% in one day | 15:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | TheBootroo, or no one cares that got his device :) | 15:35 |
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| TheBootroo | Morpog_PC: so.... selfish ? | 15:35 |
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| Morpog_PC | I never entered the list at all :D | 15:35 |
| Pnuu | what list? | 15:35 |
| Morpog_PC | And I need to wait for another delivery try | 15:35 |
| TheBootroo | Pnuu: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=1 | 15:35 |
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| Azog | merlin1991: is stumbled across your smsImport. which format does the csv file have to use? | 15:36 |
| Milhouse | @stskeeps: yes, got the update | 15:37 |
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| JvD_ | Stskeeps: Was there some solution found on store signin problems? | 15:37 |
| Milhouse | @anonfriese: ah, I thought that was for my status | 15:37 |
| merlin1991 | Azog: see the readme in https://github.com/merlin1991/Harmattan-SMS-Boat | 15:37 |
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| JvD_ | I guess I have same problem than rantom and was it Turski | 15:38 |
| Azog | merlin1991: thanks, is there an example file? one could see the time format from this | 15:39 |
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| Milhouse | Had a right mare syncing contacts from the N9 - tried the sync app (on the N9), didn't work at all. Sending a combined vcf file wouldn't work (166 contacts), had to chop it up into smaller files (a-z) and import each file, got there in the end but needs to be made much easier/simpler. And DON'T auto import crap contacts from the SIM and then not offer a way to filter/group/mass delete them | 15:39 |
| Milhouse | (had to use another phone). | 15:39 |
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| Milhouse | @JvD: With Yandex? The app was telling me there was a server problem, I closed the app, re-entered and it was fine. | 15:40 |
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| rauz | wuhu tracking number | 15:41 |
| chem|st | so guys how do I connect to enterprise wifi? | 15:41 |
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| JvD_ | with jolla store | 15:41 |
| rauz | est. delivery 18/12/2013 :D | 15:41 |
| Milhouse | @JvD: Haven't had a problem with the Jolla Store (yet) | 15:41 |
| Bysmyyr | chem|st: you cannot | 15:41 |
| * stephg excited | 15:41 | |
| chem|st | fantastic... | 15:41 |
| merlin1991 | Azog: ah good question, I'll add some info and a sample to the readme, the format is ISO 8601 extended format: either YYYY-MM-DD for dates or YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS, YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SSTZD (e.g., 1997-07-16T19:20:30+01:00) for combined dates and times. | 15:42 |
| Azog | thanks | 15:42 |
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| Milhouse | Wish I could remove the "Go to Twitter" link from the pulley - keep hitting that by mistake when trying to update... | 15:43 |
| Azog | On n900 I used http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354 to export my messages, now I need to convert the csv file | 15:43 |
| Turski | JvD_: my problem was server side bug | 15:43 |
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| stephg | hm battery does seem to run hot when it's charging | 15:43 |
| JvD_ | ok.. and i guess that's already then fixed | 15:44 |
| stephg | well a bunch warmer than my N9 | 15:44 |
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| Turski | JvD_: at least it's now adressed and at least doesn't affect me anymore... i'm not 100% sure if it's fixed | 15:45 |
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| Turski | JvD_: so you have everything failing what you are trying to install from store? | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Turski: we have some problems with store and guys are working hard to fix it | 15:46 |
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| JvD_ | yes. authentication is failing | 15:47 |
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| JvD_ | Stskeeps: great | 15:47 |
| Turski | JvD_: yep, same thing | 15:47 |
| TheBootroo | i'm gonna take the risk of being insisting, but what about fixing the bug that makes website outdated and my order not sent yet ? | 15:48 |
| stephg | is userauth for the store the same as accounts.jolla.com? | 15:48 |
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| TheBootroo | would be appreciated | 15:48 |
| stephg | if so it's not failing all the time | 15:48 |
| stephg | got in on 3rd attempt | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | stephg: with device, or on store | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | er, on accounts.jolla.com | 15:48 |
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| stephg | with device | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | okay | 15:48 |
| stephg | but it's the same auth as on acccounts.jolla? | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo | nsuffys: hey, saw you got your precious ! congrats | 15:49 |
| stephg | (that's really what I was asking) | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo | nsuffys: you gonna post more articles about it soon ? | 15:49 |
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| TheBootroo | nsuffys_: ^ | 15:50 |
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| nsuffys_ | TheBootroo, hey, ASAP i post my review about the Jolla & SAilfish OS :) | 15:51 |
| petantik | i'm trying to sync with our company exchange server, but i get failed credential check, is there a more verbose log available? | 15:52 |
| nsuffys_ | perhaps today :) | 15:52 |
| TheBootroo | nsuffys: great, still waiting any move on my side | 15:52 |
| anonfriese_ | Humm, interesting... is it normal that i didn't get an e-mail when my order status changed to "in picking"? | 15:52 |
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| flux | anonfriese_, as far as I know, that is normal | 15:55 |
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| rauz | anonfriese_: yes i think you only should get a mail when its shipping | 15:55 |
| flux | I only got an email when it had been shipped, and it came with the tracking number | 15:55 |
| anonfriese_ | ah, alright | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | Azog: I've updated the readme, it now contains a sample | 15:55 |
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| rauz | with your tracking number but when it is in picking you have a great chance that you can check on the fedex website with you orderNr the tracking code before you get the mail | 15:55 |
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| Azog | merlin1991: thanks. what happens to ";" inside of sms texts? will they be included? | 15:57 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 15:57 |
| merlin1991 | that's the reason the text is the last bit :) | 15:57 |
| Azog | that's what I thought | 15:59 |
| anonfriese_ | humm, fedex says estimated delivery is tomorrow, and the package isn't shipped yet, quite optimistic ;) | 15:59 |
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| Stskeeps | anonfriese_: overnight shipping is entirely possible | 15:59 |
| TheBootroo | Q_ASSERT (this->order ()->isShipping ()); | 15:59 |
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| TheBootroo | ASSERT ERROR : failed assertion | 15:59 |
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| nander_ | how's shipping/packaging going today? | 15:59 |
| anonfriese_ | let's just hope :) any experiences for shipping time (especially to germany)? | 15:59 |
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| nander_ | I don't see a lot of progress on the google docs sheet | 16:00 |
| TheBootroo | nander_: really too slow : spreadsheet lost only ~1% this day | 16:00 |
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| nander_ | The highest number is still the same | 16:00 |
| TheBootroo | even 1% since thursday night to be exact | 16:00 |
| TheBootroo | nander_: yeah | 16:00 |
| nander_ | On thursday it used a percentage algorithm that was wrong | 16:00 |
| Plnt | anonfriese_: the shipping is probably quite fast. mine was shipped on thursday and delivered friday morning (finland -> czech republic) | 16:00 |
| ccha4 | when jolla is at idle, does wlan stopped ? there is no email update anymore | 16:00 |
| nander_ | It gave 1% too low | 16:00 |
| pp_ | people with phones are too busy playing with theirs to update it?-) | 16:00 |
| nander_ | No | 16:01 |
| anonfriese_ | nice | 16:01 |
| nander_ | Because in picking and shipped are first | 16:01 |
| nander_ | So that's not the case | 16:01 |
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| nander_ | The amount stuck at 'paid' is still the same | 16:01 |
| nander_ | It seems in picking is done in bursts? | 16:01 |
| nander_ | The number of jolla's received HAS increased a LOT | 16:02 |
| pp_ | wlan occasionally drops, but should recover pretty well, could effect email checking I suppose unless you manually intervene? | 16:02 |
| anonfriese_ | so it's hopefully coming this week, and after a good 1-and-a-half years my waiting will finally have paid off ;) | 16:02 |
| pp_ | (I notice it by sshing in) | 16:02 |
| nander_ | And the number of jolla's shipped has also increased | 16:02 |
| TheBootroo | nander_: dunno, many in picking seems to have been Received, but not may new in picking notified | 16:02 |
| nander_ | 25% of jolla's are shipped or received | 16:02 |
| nander_ | And thus beyond jolla ;) | 16:02 |
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| nander_ | That number has increased from 5 to 25% this weekend | 16:02 |
| TheBootroo | nander_: the only number that interests me atm is 'highest in picking number" | 16:03 |
| TheBootroo | too low atm imho | 16:03 |
| nander_ | Picking is an arbitrary state | 16:03 |
| nander_ | They might do it once a week | 16:03 |
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| TheBootroo | i know for sure that as soon package is in Fedex hands, it comes to customer REALLY fast | 16:04 |
| nander | Do picking once, build a large queue and ship that queue | 16:04 |
| TheBootroo | the issue is in Jolla not passing them fat enough to Fedex | 16:04 |
| nander | That takes time | 16:04 |
| nander | Labeling, packing, etc. | 16:04 |
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| nander | in picking might just mean: you're now on the current batch, we're working on yours now | 16:04 |
| nander | (stickers printed) | 16:04 |
| Milhouse | Mine arrived before it went into Shipping state (was still showing as "In Picking" when it was sat in front of me!) | 16:04 |
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| TheBootroo | nander: srsly ? not half a million devices, maybe 5k at max, not a matter of months | 16:05 |
| Milhouse | Now it's in shipping state, but the tracking doesn't work... | 16:05 |
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| nander | TheBootroo, this is a very different process compared to companies like samsung | 16:05 |
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| nander | Samsung packs in china | 16:05 |
| nander | And: limited employees | 16:05 |
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| TheBootroo | i still think some people may need a shot of concentrated cafeine+taurine+vitamine | 16:06 |
| TheBootroo | to speed up a little bit more | 16:06 |
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| nander | They're working their asses off | 16:07 |
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| TheBootroo | nander: if it's really the case, i don't get why it doesn't go faster, even if only 40 person are working on it | 16:07 |
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| TheBootroo | or even 30 | 16:07 |
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| nander | It is going quite fast | 16:08 |
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| nander | Last weekend 20% of jolla's were shipped | 16:08 |
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| nander | 54% of all jolla's is beyond paid | 16:08 |
| TheBootroo | eg it would be ~10 device / day / employee if 30 employees handle 5000 device in 2 weeks | 16:08 |
| nander | It's more than 5000 | 16:09 |
| nander | More like 25000 | 16:09 |
| nander | DNA devices | 16:09 |
| Pnuu | and if 30 are working on the shipments | 16:09 |
| TheBootroo | nander: it should be around 90% shipped and awaiting delivery , and remaining 10% being bordercase issues with payment/shipment etc | 16:09 |
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| nander | Why should it be that? | 16:10 |
| TheBootroo | nander: i don't beleive it's more than 5000, cause max order id we've seen is around 4900 | 16:10 |
| nander | They have till 31 dec | 16:10 |
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| nander | 8999 | 16:11 |
| nander | around 4900 ? | 16:11 |
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| TheBootroo | nander: no they don't, they have to ship fast, so that even if there are issue with vacation/strike/holiday rush/christmas days off, we still all get our phone in dec 2013 | 16:11 |
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| TheBootroo | nander: where did you get this 8999 ? | 16:11 |
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| nander | docs | 16:11 |
| nander | scroll down ;) | 16:11 |
| nander | 87xx is multiple | 16:12 |
| TheBootroo | nander: oh, you're talking about order_id from url, not me | 16:12 |
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| nander | The other number series has doubles | 16:12 |
| nander | 100004100 | 16:12 |
| nander | 200004100 | 16:12 |
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| TheBootroo | then it's even more scary for me, my order num is 200002549, but order_id is around 44xx | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | :-( | 16:13 |
| nander | These id's are the shop id's, not the actual sorting id's | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | and someone with 5xxx is already picked up | 16:13 |
| nander | Finland? | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | yeah | 16:13 |
| TheBootroo | not me | 16:14 |
| nander | finland went first | 16:14 |
| nander | Just about entirely | 16:14 |
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| yanoo | meh, no reply to all for email client :( a lot of to do in sailfish :) | 16:20 |
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| TheBootroo | dafuq is happening ? so much people timeout on IRC at same time | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: probably freenode hicking up again | 16:24 |
| nander | Netsplit | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | or somebody DDoSing it | 16:24 |
| nander | 17:18 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: lpotter, FireFly, covox, kontio, restless_being, Kilroo, FiSHBoY, jussi, th, pigletto, (+50 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) | 16:24 |
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| cvp | bäh.... .. no select all emails | 16:25 |
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| AJAX555 | split! | 16:26 |
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| Milhouse | No push email is also quite disappointing - polling every 5 minutes is so 2000's. | 16:26 |
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| leinir | Milhouse: so, i'm guessing you're hard at work fixing that? ;) | 16:27 |
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| Milhouse | Nope, I just paid 399 euro for the privilege to complain | 16:27 |
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| * artemma thinks there is no push email anymore for GMail. At least not via ActiveSync | 16:28 | |
| Milhouse | If the product was free, your point would have some validity | 16:28 |
| Milhouse | as it's the usual trope that is trotted out when people complain about "free" products | 16:29 |
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| Milhouse | @artemma: doesn't IMAP support "push" (IMAP IDLE) natively? | 16:29 |
| TheBootroo | @Jolla, my phone please, one more day spent, only 2 left to get it before traveling ! Hurry up, please | 16:29 |
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| artemma | Milhouse: don't know about IMAP and Push, was using only exchange think in the past | 16:30 |
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| Milhouse | Pretty sure IMAP supports a form of push notification, unless Google have broken it intentionally | 16:30 |
| Milhouse | The N9 still gets GMail notifications immediately without polling, so can't see why the Jolla can't match that | 16:31 |
| Milhouse | Unless the N9 is going through a Nokia server, but I doubt that | 16:32 |
| artemma | TheBootroo: About 23% of preordered devices are already received or shipped. If you order is in the beginning of a list, you might have chances - https://twitter.com/AgileArtem/status/412580640086056960 | 16:32 |
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| artemma | Milhouse: Google told that exchange push will be broken for new accounts (or for new authorizations or something like this). So that your old devices would work, but new Windows Phone users would be annoyed | 16:33 |
| Milhouse | It's an old account I'm using, and it's not exchange I'm using - just regular Gmail | 16:34 |
| VDVsx_ | Milhouse, IMAP IDLE is not enabled atm in jolla device | 16:34 |
| Milhouse | Same account on both the N9 and Jolla | 16:35 |
| VDVsx_ | n9 also does not use any specially service for gmail IMAP, but IMAP IDLE is enabled there | 16:35 |
| VDVsx_ | special* | 16:35 |
| VDVsx_ | yanoo, reply all is there, if email has more than one recipient ofc | 16:36 |
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| Milhouse | N9 does Push, Jolla doesn't even offer it as an option | 16:36 |
| Milhouse | Yes, is it planned? | 16:36 |
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| TheBootroo | artemma: 23% is REALLY few if you are in the last 75% | 16:36 |
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| artemma | TheBootroo: it is what it is | 16:36 |
| artemma | and of course crowd updates stats with the lag | 16:36 |
| TheBootroo | artemma: and thx for pointing me to the community spreadsheet, while i was thinking i missed some public tweet from someone @jolla | 16:36 |
| Pnuu | I wouldn't count on that spreadsheet which relies on people updating it by them selves | 16:36 |
| artemma | TheBootroo: u r welcome | 16:36 |
| TheBootroo | Pnuu: me neither, but the f**** issue is that IS IT THE ONLY THING WE HAVE | 16:36 |
| VDVsx_ | Milhouse, Jolla uses same MW as n9 for email and it supports push, but for now was decided to not enable it, so yes is planned | 16:37 |
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| TheBootroo | i don't understand why jolla can't tkae 30sec to post a rassuring : "Sailors, 4000 out of 10000 orders processed already, planning to finish by XXth dec" | 16:37 |
| TheBootroo | even if they roughly approximate the value, it will be much closer to reality than any crowdsourced spreadsheet | 16:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The press is the problem. | 16:39 |
| pp_ | they want to keep number of shipped devices obscure on purpose? | 16:39 |
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| TheBootroo | pp_: seems so | 16:39 |
| covox | neat - http://i.imgur.com/kd05MLd.jpg | 16:40 |
| TheBootroo | GeneralAntilles: if press is the issue, just PM all of us, like for the generic excuse mail | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which does not exclude the press from getting that info. | 16:40 |
| TheBootroo | well, then; fuck the press | 16:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Image management is important (and difficult) for startups. | 16:41 |
| Milhouse | Just wondering, are contacts being synced to the Jolla cloud? Or doesn't this exist yet? | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, hey, at least you have one coming. | 16:41 |
| Milhouse | Evening General | 16:41 |
| covox | if you squint you can make out the web browser icon, sitting in the bit of memory that's been vomited over the surface | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | No idea when (if?) I'll have that option. | 16:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey-oh, Milhouse, long time no see. :) | 16:42 |
| Milhouse | Been a while! :) | 16:42 |
| TheBootroo | GeneralAntilles: oh well, so better give opaque image to press and bad image to customer, okay | 16:42 |
| TheBootroo | bullshit | 16:42 |
| pp_ | I once had to devise a scheme to obscure the fact that a service only had ~= 15 paying users :-) (when "image" should be hundreds) | 16:43 |
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| TheBootroo | pp_: well, which image does Jolla want to spread "Oh oh oh , we are huge, we already sold tens of thousands of devices, but, errrr, we can't handle logistic properly " ?? | 16:44 |
| pp_ | ... 3 random digits after real order number + checksum :P | 16:44 |
| Milhouse | I learned long ago that you never start your order numbers at 1 | 16:44 |
| TheBootroo | we know that Jolla is small, anyone knows, so does the press | 16:44 |
| pp_ | also considered prime number theory over a group, but managment thought that was too complex ;) | 16:45 |
| Milhouse | Makes it much easier for your competition to get a bead on how sales are going. Start at some random number and go from there. | 16:45 |
| TheBootroo | if jolla annonce XX thousands of sells, no one will be surprised, we don't expect millions | 16:45 |
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| TheBootroo | so even if they don't published exact count of sold devices, at least a REAL percentage of WIP would be appreciated and harmless | 16:46 |
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| TheBootroo | unless they don't want us to know that they only processed 10% of total | 16:47 |
| AL13N_work | i'm seriously getting pissed off at my android, i got this call, and the other side later said that i disconnected, while i couldn't hear anything, nor could i turn it off, or call anymore, i had to reboot my phone... :-( | 16:47 |
| TheBootroo | AL13N_work: yeah a friend of mine has exact same issue with SG2, and he's waiting public order opening to get a JOlla | 16:48 |
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| TheBootroo | and i have almost same issue on my N950 | 16:48 |
| TheBootroo | dropping calls, losing SIM card sometimes, not charging, not syncing calendars anymore, and mails barely once by day | 16:49 |
| TheBootroo | not talking of FB and twitter now unable to login | 16:49 |
| TheBootroo | that's why i really need my new phone before going to travel, would be hard to stay connected else | 16:50 |
| TheBootroo | with battery lasting only a couple of hours | 16:50 |
| TheBootroo | (doing nothing) | 16:50 |
| AL13N_work | TheBootroo: the real problem is that Google just updates their services app whenever they feel like it, even if i have updates disabled... which means that this 2.3 android is getting more and more bloated and slower to use | 16:55 |
| AL13N_work | TheBootroo: for my android, i ordered a new battery, but it seems like it's already getting worse... | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | but, this is my workphone | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | don't have much choice | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | my personal phone is a nokia dumbphone, broken by my son, so i need a new one... but no webshop yet :-( | 16:57 |
| AL13N_work | i'm sort of contemplating calling a few fins that i know if they would be willing to go to the shop and buy one an ship it to me | 16:57 |
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| covox | AL13N_work: do it man! | 16:58 |
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| AL13N_work | covox: why? so i can reduce jolla availability from finns? | 16:59 |
| covox | AL13N_work: if there are phones to be had, surely that indicates an adequate supply | 17:00 |
| AL13N_work | plus, i still need to turn on bluetooth on my old nokia, so i can sync and get my contacts from phone memory :-( | 17:00 |
| AL13N_work | but i have not much luck finding people who have this model | 17:00 |
| covox | you might have better luck buying the old sync cable on ebay | 17:01 |
| covox | I got one for $2 | 17:01 |
| AL13N_work | the phone is still on | 17:01 |
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| AL13N_work | i just have to find in the menu how to turn on bluetooth :-( | 17:01 |
| AL13N_work | i know that the settings menu is press + left | 17:02 |
| AL13N_work | but | 17:02 |
| covox | you need to think like a symbian developer | 17:02 |
| AL13N_work | pre-symbian | 17:02 |
| AL13N_work | sorry | 17:02 |
| covox | check under the ringtone settings | 17:02 |
| covox | oh :P | 17:02 |
| covox | S40? | 17:02 |
| AL13N_work | no, i forgot the type nr | 17:03 |
| AL13N_work | it's 4 digit nr | 17:03 |
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| yanoo | VDVsx_: I've got an mail sent through group and for such case there is a missing "reply all" | 17:06 |
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| AL13N_work | covox: i think it's a 3110 classic | 17:07 |
| AL13N_work | yes, that looks like it | 17:08 |
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| pp_ | yay, macbook talks to jolla through usb & horndis \o/ | 17:14 |
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| pp_ | ... now i just need dnsmasq & some ui and iptables hackery (or just have a script run as root and use a static ip) | 17:15 |
| pp_ | but a silly UI that just runs a dhcp server for 192.168.2.100-254 & default route jolla rndis0 ip would do most of what I'm lacking in the phone | 17:17 |
| AL13N_work | you're gonna all route traffic on your network through jolla? | 17:18 |
| pp_ | well, when I'm mobile I need tethering! | 17:18 |
| AL13N_work | how many ips will you need while you're mobile??? | 17:18 |
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| Pnuu | enough :-) | 17:18 |
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| pp_ | just about one would be enough (if I'm really pushing it I could have a virtual machine that needs a second one) | 17:19 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 17:19 |
| AL13N_work | then why do you need dhcp server? | 17:19 |
| pp_ | 'cause setting up the client is much easier | 17:19 |
| pp_ | dnsmasq pretty much does everything | 17:19 |
| AL13N_work | just plug it in, set ip, echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 17:19 |
| AL13N_work | and then masquerade with iptables | 17:20 |
| pp_ | gives the client an ip + default route + dns server that work | 17:20 |
| AL13N_work | i know dnsmasq | 17:20 |
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| pp_ | suppose an official solution will come before I actually need anything more than a manual configuration on my personal laptop | 17:23 |
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| zbenjamin | anyone got the google sync working completely? seems i miss calendars and some numbers | 17:27 |
| zbenjamin | just uügrading, maybe its fixes then | 17:28 |
| zbenjamin | fixed | 17:28 |
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| VDVsx_ | yanoo, like I said, if is just one recipient reply all will not be there, so if you reply to the group it goes to all, or I'm not understanding your use case | 17:31 |
| petantik | exchange doesn't seem to work properly for me, i think it may be related to requiring remote management features. | 17:31 |
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| VDVsx_ | petantik, if you server requires provisioning wont work, not available yet | 17:33 |
| VDVsx_ | petantik, you can ask your server admin to whitelist devices with type sailfishOS | 17:34 |
| pp_ | hmn, was there some repo with tools like wget? | 17:34 |
| petantik | VDVsx_: Do you know if it's planned? | 17:34 |
| VDVsx_ | petantik, yes is, but please not that provisioning can request insane stuff, so what is planned is the basic stuff for now (password enforce) | 17:35 |
| petantik | Ah, okay. That might be problematic, i think mine requires remote wipe too. | 17:35 |
| VDVsx_ | petantik, if your server request disable camera, bluetooth and stuff like that don't expect it soon | 17:35 |
| petantik | VDVsx_: afaik it's pin protect and remote wipe. | 17:36 |
| VDVsx_ | yeah, those are the more common ones, second normally is optional even | 17:36 |
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| petantik | VDVsx_: i'll probably keep my android until i get some feature parity. | 17:38 |
| zbenjamin | now i see, it doesn't show all my google calendars, how can i select the other ones? | 17:38 |
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| VDVsx_ | zbenjamin, how did you managed to have google calendar in the first place ? :D | 17:38 |
| VDVsx_ | afaik is not in update1 | 17:39 |
| zbenjamin | VDVsx_: erm i created a google account when it asked me ;) | 17:39 |
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| zbenjamin | in the intro you are getting asked what accounts you want to use | 17:39 |
| VDVsx_ | zbenjamin, if you see default and birthdays calendar only they are local,, not from google | 17:39 |
| zbenjamin | there you can select google | 17:39 |
| VDVsx_ | google calendar sync is not supported yet | 17:39 |
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| zbenjamin | ah :/, then the birthdays are from my contacts | 17:40 |
| VDVsx_ | yes, local calendars | 17:40 |
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| zbenjamin | whut? i hoped that should work already.... i mean doesn't google have caldav support? | 17:41 |
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| zbenjamin | i need my calendars :( | 17:41 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 17:45 |
| VDVsx_ | zbenjamin, afair was promised to be offered in a update, don't remember the status | 17:45 |
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| Yaniel | here is no caldav support yet | 17:46 |
| Yaniel | but exchange calendars seem to work | 17:46 |
| petantik | Are there any autoroate controls? | 17:47 |
| petantik | auto rotate* | 17:47 |
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| zbenjamin | Yaniel: exchange doesn't help :/ | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | petantik: hmm? camera controls rotate, as does the gallery | 17:50 |
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| Azog | is ther a way to delete all sms messages? | 17:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ha | 17:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | thanks to TMO i found my tracking number before Jolla sent me | 17:51 |
| chouchoune | mmmhhh, did anyone get issues configuring Yandex Store ? | 17:52 |
| MMori_ | chouchoune: if it's the captcha, try changing language to english | 17:52 |
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| chouchoune | ah | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | chouchoune: not working here | 17:53 |
| chouchoune | it is both captcha and phone number | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I get 'can't connect to server' | 17:53 |
| chouchoune | SpeedEvil: same here, will try in english | 17:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: ha, you got device already too? | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | In english | 17:53 |
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| Pnuu | worked for me when I connected via wifi | 17:54 |
| Pnuu | after that also using mobile data | 17:54 |
| chouchoune | both 3G and wifi fails | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Only wifi here | 17:54 |
| chouchoune | and is LTE functional already ? | 17:54 |
| ShadowJK | no | 17:54 |
| petantik | Yaniel: I mean, can you stop it? | 17:55 |
| chouchoune | ok, so Yandex Store works only in english ;) | 17:56 |
| chouchoune | thanks MMori | 17:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | why is it Yandex and not amazon ? :) | 17:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | or something more international | 17:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yandex doesn't work for me even in english. | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe it needs you to start it in non-english first. | 17:58 |
| chouchoune | SpeedEvil: do you use captcha or phone number stuff ? | 17:58 |
| chouchoune | SpeedEvil: the whoile system must be in english | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Neither. | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I setup an account on another device | 17:58 |
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| petantik | If I set the alarm for 0820, the list shows 0920 | 17:58 |
| MMori | chouchoune: It does work in your native language after the configuration | 17:58 |
| Tofe | I've got mine ! | 17:59 |
| chouchoune | MMori: mmmhhh, ok, but first it needs to succeed in displaying some apps or whatever | 17:59 |
| chouchoune | because for the moment, it's just loading | 17:59 |
| grejppi | is yandex part of android support? can you remove it if you don't want it? | 17:59 |
| MMori | chouchoune: try closing and restarting the app | 18:00 |
| chouchoune | I think I will put another store | 18:00 |
| chouchoune | it's already upsetting me ;) | 18:00 |
| MMori | there's no apps for me in amazon app store :( | 18:00 |
| MMori | I was a bit disappointed | 18:00 |
| chouchoune | F-Droid is fine for me | 18:01 |
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| MMori | Yandex has atleast a few games | 18:01 |
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| chouchoune | everything I don't need (closed source apps) is not there ;) | 18:01 |
| chouchoune | ah, finally andex displays something, thanks again MMori | 18:01 |
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| MMori | no problem, those are common issues | 18:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | MMori: even russians don't use it to post apps | 18:02 |
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| MMori | I just drained my phone battery while playing a game _and_ charging the phone battery | 18:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | like i don't care about android app | 18:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | apps | 18:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | but still this Yandex thing come from nowhere | 18:03 |
| MMori | Yup, yandex is still quite empty | 18:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | yandex is russian google clone | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's nice company | 18:04 |
| chouchoune | easy/cheap to integrate, licencing reasons, etc... | 18:04 |
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| chouchoune | ? | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | but clone is clone :P | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think that they coworked to do it | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean jolla nad yandex | 18:04 |
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| MMori | I'm really worried about how long the battery actually lasts while using the phone. If I can't use it without draining the battery while charging the battery I don't know what I'm going to do with the phone. There are times when I just can't leave it charging for hours | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | MMori: How charging | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | MMori: Charging from a PC islikely to be considerably slower. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: we're working on a number of things related to power consumption | 18:08 |
| MMori | With the cable that came with the phone. I'm not charging using the PC | 18:08 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: That's good to hear! ^^ | 18:08 |
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| petantik | I expect a lot of things will improve with time. It's a trial by fire. | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess that'd mean the 150mA I measured with the display off, 'idle' wasn't a bogon. | 18:09 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: I now have a Jolla :) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: yay | 18:10 |
| MMori | Of course, I wouldn't have bought the phone if I didn't expect it to improve ;) | 18:10 |
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| MMori | I trust Jolla folks and the community | 18:10 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines a world in which Stskeeps has worn his fingers to the bone typing 'yay'. | 18:10 | |
| Stskeeps | just imagine the speed that people will be developing at when they have strength enough again after xmas | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:10 |
| anonfriese_ | humm, i guess jolla is a bit smaller than i imagined: fedex says the package dimensions are 1x1x1cm :) | 18:10 |
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| ccha4 | about ssh, what is default user ? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | anonfriese_: we use properitary black hole technology | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ccha4: nemo | 18:11 |
| Tofe | I've got great hopes too, it's a nice base we have there | 18:11 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: isn't the point of christmas to give time to hack? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | anonfriese_: it makes the device cheaper to ship. | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:11 |
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| ccha4 | ok thank Stskeeps | 18:11 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: And when you have the Jolla store for non-free apps you'll have the community developing with you ;) | 18:11 |
| anonfriese_ | ah, nice :) that way, i can fit enough other halves together with my jolla in the pocket ;) | 18:12 |
| Tofe | A little idea for the future: integrate the sms in the events page; it just sounds logical to me | 18:13 |
| Tofe | (or maybe I didn't understand how it works) | 18:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: maybe not | 18:14 |
| ortylp | I cannot connect to my email account, can it be, that selfsigned certificates throw a silent error? | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: events is for flows | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sms is not about flows, more about conversations | 18:15 |
| Tofe | Sfiet_Konstantin: ok, so what I'm missing is a conversation page, maybe | 18:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: \o | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey ZogG_laptop | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | how are you ? | 18:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | not bad not bad | 18:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: conversation page ? describe it, I'm curious | 18:16 |
| Morpog_PC | is google calendar sync implemented yet via google account or not at all? | 18:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: got tracking number, though no email yet and status is in picking yet. but someone on TMO showed search fedex kung-fu | 18:17 |
| MMori | ortylp, I've managed to configure my email just fine | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: hehe :D | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: soon I guess | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: on it ! :D | 18:17 |
| Tofe | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, that would be where you concentrate all the data that are pushed to you: mails, sms, mms, maybe others; or, another way to present it would be to classify it by people, like on N900 (or N9 maybe but I don't have that one) | 18:17 |
| Morpog_PC | on it, as getting implemented right now, or already on device? | 18:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: it says Tue which is tomorrow | 18:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: I don't like this idea: in a conversation apps, you want to have many different "feeds" | 18:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or conversations | 18:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | events view aggregates data from one single point to one single point | 18:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (facebook wall, tweets) | 18:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: but it would be at my friends place, now i need to think of how getting it, as he post poned his trip (and he wanted to jump by) | 18:18 |
| ortylp | MMori: with selfsigned certificate and STARTLS? | 18:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because the aggregated flow is not directed to you | 18:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: damn :( | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | can't you redeliver ? | 18:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: i'll probably get in after january | 18:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | :( | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: oooh :( | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bad | 18:19 |
| MMori | ortylp: yes | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ask for someone to pick it to you ? | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't know | 18:19 |
| Morpog_PC | Sfiet_Konstantin, ? | 18:19 |
| ortylp | MMori: thx, I'll try again :) | 18:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: i can but it would cost extra $ + israel customs are terrible. they'll want even more $ and they can send the phone for tests (like standarts and so on) so it would be more time and even more $ | 18:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: i don't think anyone going there | 18:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh | 18:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe sivang is there | 18:20 |
| Tofe | Sfiet_Konstantin: would rss events fit in the events view, from you point of view ? | 18:21 |
| Tofe | your* | 18:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: geez :( | 18:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: very well | 18:21 |
| Yaniel | I would find it wrong if RSS didn't show up in the events view | 18:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: would love an RSS "account" to configure RSS feeds in the events view | 18:22 |
| Tofe | Sfiet_Konstantin: then, if I set up an rss view of my mail flow/sms flow, it would fit in the events view ;) | 18:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: indeed | 18:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | with sharing options too I guess | 18:23 |
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| Tofe | Interesting. Now, I need to think a bit about it to see if that idea makes sense. | 18:24 |
| Tofe | An RSS account would be a need, before going further | 18:24 |
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| * sledges just got me jolla! http://twiter.com/sledgeSim \o/ | 18:25 | |
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| MMori | sledges: ;) you need to change the nokia from your header banner :P | 18:26 |
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| sledges | :D | 18:26 |
| sledges | MMori: still use it for nemomobile, maybe will clone twitter.com/nemomobile one ;) | 18:26 |
| MMori | sledges: It's better, yes :P | 18:27 |
| sledges | no logo ;) on purpose, and also better screenshot res this way | 18:28 |
| MMori | :P Still no Jolla :P | 18:29 |
| Yaniel | I'm still disappointed that the launch event was not translated to "jolliest queue" | 18:29 |
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| Pnuu | :-D | 18:30 |
| sledges | too much time to waste again on gradient shaders to gimp custom screenshots on jolla cad pictures | 18:30 |
| sledges | :) | 18:30 |
| sledges | n9 is a tallisman ;) | 18:31 |
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| * SpeedEvil fails to properly wake up. | 18:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | Removing the yandex store app because you've installed the amazon store doesn't go very well. | 18:36 |
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| Yaniel | isn't yandex tied to the android vm | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | That's why it doesn't go very well. | 18:37 |
| Yaniel | yep | 18:38 |
| mord | it seems it's possible to swipe to recipient details and then back to messaging overview and have both drawn (with the details under the overview), with swipe up and swipe down going to recipient details and other gestures/clicks going to /dev/null in jolla-messages | 18:42 |
| mord | had to kill jolla-messages in terminal to get rid of that state | 18:43 |
| mord | okay that's not accurate, swiping in from the side got me to desktop and swipe from top hid messages; re-entering messages got me back to that weird state however | 18:44 |
| mord | could not select input fields | 18:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Netflix works. This makes me happy. (happiness level limited by the fact it should work natively) | 18:46 |
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| ortylp | aard: hi, is there already native aarddict or android is the only option? | 18:47 |
| Aard | ortylp: I'm not aware of a native version, and I'm not sure why you're asking me ;) | 18:47 |
| mord | it's fairly hard to repeat that but gotten there after trying to send a sms to an invalid MSISDN a couple of times | 18:48 |
| Aard | SpeedEvil: solution to that is very simple -- buy enough phones or make your relatives buy enough phones to get enough marketshare for netflix to notice :p | 18:48 |
| ortylp | aard: I assumed you are the aard from AARDdict :D | 18:48 |
| Aard | I can check some sleeping personalities, but most likely I'm not :) | 18:49 |
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| Kabouik | Got it! | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: woop | 18:54 |
| Kabouik | Thanks Jolla and sailors, great work. Can already see it from the packaging, smells quality! | 18:54 |
| Kabouik | I know you might have given that to third party, but you chose. ;) | 18:55 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: Is there a way to file in app bug reports without bothering you here every time? :P | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: just talk about them with your fellow community members and keep calm, we'll get there :P | 18:55 |
| Morpog_PC | wow, golem.de seems to love Jolla, after the 7 pages review they fired up another article today: http://www.golem.de/news/hands-on-sailfish-os-intelligenter-baukasten-zum-basteln-und-portieren-1312-103351.html (german) | 18:55 |
| Kabouik | Now: can anyone tell me if I can format to ext3 my 64 MicroSD from the Jolla itself? My computer card reader seems not too friendly with SDXC, sees nothing. | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: in developer mode you can probably | 18:56 |
| Kabouik | Thanks, will try that out Stskeeps | 18:56 |
| Kabouik | Should I charge the battery before using the device, or instead empty it up before full charge? | 18:56 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: Good to hear. ^^ | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Kabouik: It doesn't matter that much | 18:56 |
| Kabouik | Alright, let's mess around with my Jolla then! :] | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Kabouik: There may be transient effects in the reporting of charge - but it'll even out over the next several charge cycles | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: also, update when you get a chance | 18:57 |
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| Kabouik | Will do as soon as accounts are set Stskeeps | 18:57 |
| MMori | Hi community! I just noticed that the Media app doesn't always list all songs that can be found from the memory card. While in the Artist list view, if the Artist is unknown and there are no Album details, the app doesn't list the songs but it does show the combined duration of the songs | 18:59 |
| Kabouik | December 16th 2013, the day I removed my SIM card from my poor N9 without even looking at that poor guy, AND the day I forgot my N900 in the office. Sad day for some old lads. | 18:59 |
| Kabouik | (However, I don't think I'm going to totally forget the N900, never gonna happen.) | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: tracker-utils and tracker-search --help is probably your friend to help diagnose | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: did you know that martin schule, our chief designer was behind n900 ui too? | 19:00 |
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| MMori | Also the All songs page shows the duration of each song from my memory card as 00:00 | 19:01 |
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| MMori | Stskeeps: I'll try and figure out | 19:01 |
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| Kabouik | I didn't Stskeeps, but he really has my admiration. N900 UI is not gesture friendly, but it's absolutely brilliant. The missing chain between laptops and portable devices. Actually I prefer (largely) using my N900 to write an email than my W8 tablet (full W8). | 19:02 |
| Kabouik | That sums up how good is the feeling on the N900. Thanks to Martin then ;) | 19:02 |
| tobiski | oo got my tracking number :p | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: is it in scientific notation? | 19:03 |
| mord | Kabouik: if "check for updates" under device info fails to find updates, try pkcon refresh && pkcon update in the terminal | 19:03 |
| Kabouik | Mine was Stskeeps, but perhaps you one of you should publish in the FAQ that the Order number (200000XXX) works in Fedex. Got my parcel history that way | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon refresh only, please, :P | 19:04 |
| Kabouik | Thanks mord | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: i trust somebody's on top of it | 19:04 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: similar to order id 10000XXXX and I live in Finland | 19:04 |
| tobiski | I wonder how am I supposed to use that to follow itella's packages o_O | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: ah ok | 19:05 |
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| tobiski | usually itella's tracking numbers consist of letters and numbers | 19:06 |
| Kabouik | First thought: the keyboard is approximately 258 times better than N9's one. Of course a swype-like input would be cool in the future, and of course it won't make me forget how much I would pay for a proper HWKB integration, but that's already good news. | 19:07 |
| mord | Stskeeps: ah, ok. did not know that | 19:07 |
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| Kabouik | I'm so happy I don't have to install Facebook app if I don't want it. I was discussing with one of you sailors once, perhaps w00t | 19:12 |
| phlixi | lol, looks like as if the tracking have seen excel inbetween^^ | 19:13 |
| Kabouik | The person was interested in what us, as customers, think about that "unlike" option to install what is wanted instead of removing what is unwanted. | 19:13 |
| Kabouik | I confirm I like it. | 19:13 |
| tobiski | oh, there was itella's tracking number at the bottom of the email written in half of the size of other text :D | 19:13 |
| phlixi | tracking code* | 19:13 |
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| Turski | I just hope that Jolla store will never get to same point that all android stores are now, that there's shitload of ads in every application especially if it's free | 19:15 |
| Kabouik | I second that Turski. Heavily. | 19:15 |
| Kabouik | And my imaginary friends agrees. | 19:15 |
| Turski | I would be happy if Jolla store does not allow ads | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | My major problem with ads in many ways is not the ads. | 19:16 |
| Kabouik | If Jolla store was like Extra and Extra-devel on N900, I could dance in naked (but with pink socks) in a place in Helsinki, in winter. | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the permissions used to serve them. | 19:16 |
| Kabouik | But I won't if it's like Harmattan store. | 19:17 |
| tobiski | ad-block for mobile devices | 19:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kabouik: think community repo | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | This is why 5 of the top 6 calculators have all the permissions needed to start scanning your netwokr at 3AM and reporting back to china | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ^on android google play | 19:17 |
| Turski | Kabouik: what was wrong on harmattan store? | 19:17 |
| ortylp | does anybody know how to get bluetooth keyboard to work with jolla? I managed to pair the keyboard, but no key is recognised in the terminal | 19:17 |
| Kabouik | Yes Sfiet_Konstantin, still I prefer N900 repos over the N9 warehouse (a giant step forward though) | 19:17 |
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| Kabouik | Not easy to find things, many useless things, searching was cuimbersome while on N9 you just time first letters (without entering any special menu) and get a filter on the apps, repos can be edited easily, etc. | 19:18 |
| Kabouik | To Turski | 19:18 |
| Kabouik | while on N900* sorry | 19:19 |
| Turski | hmm.. | 19:19 |
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| Kabouik | POP3 or IMAP4 for Gmail. | 19:20 |
| Kabouik | ? | 19:20 |
| Turski | Kabouik: set up google account, will probably be easiest | 19:20 |
| Kabouik | So I skip the email screen at startup installation? | 19:21 |
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| Azog | is there a way to install gpodder on the jolla? the instructions on gpodder.org point to zypper, which is not installed | 19:21 |
| Frye | Getting there. Still need to add some controls to configure settings and I should be able to attempt to push a game to harbour. | 19:22 |
| Turski | Azog: ummm... are you saying there should be client for sailfish? | 19:22 |
| Kabouik | Errr, Google account wants to sync my contacts. I disagree with Google account. :< | 19:22 |
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| Turski | kontio: you can disable synchronization | 19:23 |
| Turski | Kabouik: ^ | 19:23 |
| Kabouik | Ok, perhaps in the settings after then. I just got the disclaimer here | 19:23 |
| Azog | Turski: yes, http://gpodder.org/downloads has sailfish on it and there is http://www.jollatides.com/2013/03/01/gpodder-first-app-to-run-on-sailfish-demo/ | 19:23 |
| pdanek | Guys, I need to hope... | 19:24 |
| pdanek | Is there really a chance that my Jolla has been shipped already even if it's still in Paid status? Did it happen to people? | 19:24 |
| pdanek | need hope* | 19:24 |
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| Turski | Azog: download rpm and install it with pkcon install-local | 19:24 |
| Azog | pdanek: i got the tracking-id more or less the same time the package arrived. but is was in the picking state | 19:24 |
| Yaniel | pdanek: a chance yes | 19:24 |
| Kabouik | Try the Order number in Fedex tracking by Reference pdanek, just in case | 19:25 |
| Yaniel | but a slim one | 19:25 |
| Turski | Azog: i'm not sure how repository handling works with sailfish... | 19:25 |
| Kabouik | Fill in your country and zipcode | 19:25 |
| thp | Azog: gpodder is not there yet. for now, you can use pkcon to install it, but you will have to add the repo manually. it'll eventually end up in harbour. | 19:25 |
| pdanek | Kabouik: they use Fedex for EU shipping? | 19:25 |
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| Kabouik | Yes, got it in France by Fedex | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: yes | 19:25 |
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| Kabouik | First time ever I'm going to keep the default wallpaper on a device... That vintage lens is just perfect for me, perhaps I even have it on shelf :p | 19:27 |
| AJAX555 | sadface | 19:27 |
| AJAX555 | still at "paid" | 19:27 |
| Pnuu | Kabouik: I like the ship on stormy sea | 19:28 |
| Yaniel | I durrently have the moss | 19:29 |
| Yaniel | *currently | 19:29 |
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| pdanek | so no, my order number isn't there | 19:30 |
| pdanek | means it was not shipped yet | 19:30 |
| pdanek | and I doubt it can be shipped to Slovakia until Friday | 19:30 |
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| zbenjamin | is there no rotation support? | 19:38 |
| Kabouik | I like the "no splash screen" choice Jolla. I know it has sometimes been mistaken as a sign apps take a while to launch, but not more than on other devices | 19:38 |
| zbenjamin | can't get the browser to rotate to landscape | 19:38 |
| Kabouik | It's just that here instead of a useless splash, we have useful status and battery | 19:39 |
| Kabouik | No rotation on browser yet zbenjamin | 19:39 |
| zbenjamin | Kabouik: any rotating apps? | 19:39 |
| zbenjamin | also not on notes | 19:39 |
| Kabouik | Maps I believe, camera | 19:39 |
| Pnuu | zbenjamin: I installed firefox from yandex, there's rotation | 19:39 |
| Pnuu | and gallery | 19:40 |
| zbenjamin | Pnuu: hm i prefer native apps ;) | 19:40 |
| zbenjamin | Pnuu: what other android apps do you use? | 19:41 |
| Pnuu | I would too, but.. | 19:41 |
| Pnuu | firefox and couple of random games | 19:41 |
| zbenjamin | anyone tried to get the android calendar app to work? | 19:41 |
| Pnuu | I'd like to have keepass2 client too, native ofcourse if possible | 19:41 |
| nander | I want native games ;) | 19:42 |
| phlixi | pdanek: maybe this gets you more happy... | 19:42 |
| pvilja | Turski: You commented earlier Finnish translation in People for "send text message". That should show only under phone number. If you highlight other account for the contact, e.g fb, "send message" should show, and messaging allows you to switch type once there. | 19:42 |
| pvilja | If there is something with translations, ping me and i'll check. | 19:42 |
| nander | Maybe we should start a jolla exclusive team ;) | 19:42 |
| nander | Creating foss jolla games ;) | 19:42 |
| phlixi | pdanek: this morning 8:55 fedex called (i was not awake then), later i checked status it said "in shipping" | 19:42 |
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| phlixi | ...in picking | 19:42 |
| phlixi | typo :D | 19:42 |
| pdanek | phlixi: hm but I checked by reference, nothing, for sure it wasn't shipped yet | 19:43 |
| pdanek | phlixi: I compared with other orders and I can track them by order ID | 19:43 |
| pdanek | so it just wasn't shipped, else it would be in fedex | 19:43 |
| phlixi | pdanek: around 11:30 i called back the fedex guy and he will bring it to me tomorrow | 19:43 |
| pdanek | hm | 19:43 |
| phlixi | pdanek: it would have been already delivered, but fedex does not deliver to "packstation" | 19:44 |
| phlixi | pdanek: AFTER that, at 13:12 i got mail from jolla with tracking code, then i checked shop and it said "shipped" | 19:44 |
| nander | lol, the process is borked ;) | 19:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: track and hunt them | 19:45 |
| pdanek | it's not in Fedex system at all | 19:45 |
| pdanek | so I can't do a shit | 19:45 |
| phlixi | basically, if i would have had it shipped to my home,, i would have received it while the shop still said "in picking" | 19:45 |
| phlixi | sidenote, the tracking code is.... | 19:46 |
| Turski | pvilja: ah, now i see | 19:46 |
| phlixi | 7.97392E+11 | 19:46 |
| phlixi | ...someone used excel :D | 19:46 |
| Turski | pvilja: for some reason it asked what type of message i want to send after i clicked that "send text message" | 19:46 |
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| Turski | messages application opened with that message type menu open | 19:48 |
| Turski | and that confused me | 19:48 |
| Turski | now it doesn't do that anymore | 19:48 |
| Yaniel | installing stuff with pkcon does not require devel-su? :o | 19:48 |
| petantik | when you create a new email, how can you tell what account it will send from? from the active thumbnail | 19:49 |
| Turski | pvilja: if you close messages application with message type menu open, it will be open when you next time open it, even you open messages from people application with "send text message" | 19:49 |
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| Turski | pvilja: and that's what confused me, and for me it looks like a bug | 19:49 |
| pvilja | Turski: messaging has always the option to change type when contact has several accounts available, but yes, menu being already open is confusing. I agree it looks like a bug. | 19:53 |
| Kabouik | What is the user name for ssh access? Root, user? | 19:53 |
| Kabouik | Or have I to create it in terminal? Currently exploring the settings app | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | nemo | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | the password is the one you set in Settings -> Developer Mode | 19:54 |
| Kabouik | Yes password is set, nemo is username, thanks | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | I recommend copying your ssh publickey over | 19:55 |
| Kabouik | Works gread, thank | 19:55 |
| Kabouik | What do you mean? I'm a noob with ssh. | 19:55 |
| Yaniel | nvm then ^^ | 19:55 |
| Yaniel | in ssh you can use keyfiles instead of passwords for authentication | 19:55 |
| Turski | kontio: on your pc $ ssh-keygen && ssh-copy-id nemo@192.168.2.15 | 19:55 |
| Kabouik | (Haha, that detailed fps view is so nerdy.) | 19:55 |
| Turski | Kabouik: ^ | 19:55 |
| Turski | i'm tabfailing pretty well today | 19:56 |
| Yaniel | they consist of a private and a public key | 19:56 |
| Kabouik | Can I do it from a Windows pc too? My Linux install is totally outdated | 19:56 |
| Yaniel | the private stays on your machine, the public one is distributed to all systems you want to ssh into | 19:56 |
| Yaniel | yes putty supports keys as well | 19:56 |
| Turski | Kabouik: i don't know how that works on windows | 19:56 |
| mudyc | i was looking for api documentation but found http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/ -> 403 forbidden | 19:57 |
| Kabouik | I'm currently using filezilla. But what is the benefit of it over a password? | 19:57 |
| Yaniel | on windows you'd want to use pageant to copy the public key string and paste it in vi on the device | 19:57 |
| Yaniel | the key is normally 2048 bytes | 19:57 |
| Yaniel | a password is what, 8-16 | 19:58 |
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| Kabouik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NQp613llRA I'm gonna try this out | 19:58 |
| Yaniel | so glhf guessing someones key | 19:58 |
| zbenjamin | i just got: "Problem with store, the other half doesn't work" | 19:58 |
| zbenjamin | when attaching my first one other half | 19:58 |
| Yaniel | and keys can be locked with a password & managed with a keychain | 19:58 |
| Turski | i usually don't use passphrase with my keys | 19:59 |
| pdanek | DayZ standalone is out! | 19:59 |
| Turski | of course depends on situation | 19:59 |
| Kabouik | Wow pdanek | 19:59 |
| Yaniel | I do; and I use ssh-agent to keep them cached for me :P | 19:59 |
| Kabouik | Is the clock deviation that was reported the first days fixed with last update? | 20:02 |
| Kabouik | Need to know if I can trust the Jolla as my wake-up device | 20:02 |
| pdanek | Kabouik: http://youtu.be/3ss1dckHhfI !!! | 20:03 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i use keys only between laptop/pc at home | 20:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | and had on n9 and i think bb10 as well | 20:04 |
| Kabouik | Thanks pdanek | 20:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | meh | 20:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | games | 20:06 |
| Kabouik | Don't find the Steam page though pdanek (sorry for the little off-topic, done now) | 20:06 |
| Turski | is that even available on linux? | 20:07 |
| pdanek | Kabouik: should be on Steam soon, but not yet, you can buy it on http://dayzgame.com/ and they give you code that you can insert on Steam and get it to Steam later | 20:07 |
| pdanek | however their page is so overloaded now, so it's not much possible to buy it now | 20:07 |
| Kabouik | Thanks. Anyway no preorder order issue here, I can buy it later :D | 20:07 |
| Turski | meh, no linux | 20:08 |
| pdanek | Yep. | 20:08 |
| pdanek | It's done by Bohemia Interactive. | 20:08 |
| Turski | but my pc would fill the minimum requirements :D | 20:08 |
| Turski | NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT \o/ | 20:08 |
| pdanek | Operation Flashpoint will always be in my hearth. | 20:09 |
| pdanek | Czech version of course. :D | 20:09 |
| pdanek | heart* | 20:09 |
| Pnuu | haaay, where's nethack from the default packages?! :-D | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I have played a few games on the n900. | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure it'd beusable on the vkbd | 20:11 |
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| pdanek | Kabouik: it's on Steam now! | 20:11 |
| Kabouik | Let's throw some money away for a broken alpha. :] | 20:12 |
| Pnuu | SpeedEvil: it's not that I'd play, but the principle ;-) | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | speaking of alpha games, I wonder how reset is doing | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | telnet nethack.alt.org | 20:13 |
| Pnuu | maybe I should play some nethack again, I think it's three years or so since the last game | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | There are some insane players on there. | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Ascending 13/13 chars in a row. | 20:14 |
| Pnuu | yeah.. | 20:14 |
| Pnuu | I've played at nethack.fi, but that doesn't seem to respond | 20:15 |
| Pnuu | my best streak was three-in-a-row | 20:15 |
| Pnuu | random characters | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I tend to get sidetracked into pudding farming or polypiling. | 20:16 |
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| Pnuu | tedious, those | 20:17 |
| Pnuu | but, well, I did one extinctionist.. | 20:17 |
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| Kabouik | Favorite apps in the Settings, are there any way they got an easier access? Need to keep the settings app open and have the short cuts below connection icons, right? | 20:18 |
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| crysaz | based on my measurements and surprisingly accurate extrapolation, it takes -2,87 procent units to run the phone on standby, without active network connection. | 20:25 |
| crysaz | units / hour | 20:25 |
| Pnuu | my guestimate is roughly the same, -20 %-units during the night (~8 hours of sleep) | 20:26 |
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| zbenjamin | is there documentation for how to create account types? Lets say i want to add a way to sync with my owncloud? | 20:28 |
| nander | 1939 is the highest non-fin preorder nr in picking | 20:28 |
| nander | I think tomorrow a lot of phones are gonna be picked | 20:28 |
| nander | The % in picking is low now | 20:28 |
| nander | a mere 22% in picking | 20:29 |
| nander | 10% shipped, 18% arrived | 20:29 |
| disharmonic | crap, i'm 2949 or something like that :( | 20:29 |
| Pnuu | I think I had shipment # 2...114 and order # 2...74 | 20:31 |
| Kabouik | Documents apps tells me there are no documents. That's true. Says that I have to pull down to add one though, but I can't: no pulley menu. | 20:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | jolla on eBAY: Sold at 850£(1008€) and at $1175(855€) and 520£(616€); 700£(830€) (21h left); 550£ (0 bids, 1d left); $830 (0 bids, 2d left); $595 (3d left);650£ (WITH T-SHIRT; 3d left); 599£ (buy now); 530£ (0 bids, 4.5d left) | 20:32 |
| Kabouik | Wow. | 20:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | a few new ones popped up on ebay | 20:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this time, one with a i am the first t-shirt | 20:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | pretty odd why there are alot of bids in £ | 20:33 |
| pp_ | heh, almost a good business to get them from dna stores and ebay them :) | 20:33 |
| Kabouik | What makes me sad is to think I could probably make good money of it and buy another one later. I'm in Europe, easy. But I won't. Am I crazy? :( | 20:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | pp_: that'll go away soon | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda wonder what countries those ebay sales went to | 20:33 |
| pp_ | yep, and they only have a few per store | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | as i'm fairly sure it's not EU | 20:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is there a way to find out? | 20:34 |
| Yaniel | he NSA might knkow :P | 20:34 |
| Yaniel | actually, they might even have one or two | 20:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the ones in $ are on US market, but the ones in £ are in london market... i don't think US people can actually see those | 20:34 |
| Pnuu | I'd guess some techsites would want to have own unit for testing | 20:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if the ask, they can loan one for a few hours, i'm sure | 20:35 |
| Pnuu | still | 20:35 |
| Kabouik | Perhaps these are just Jolla delivered to UK and sold for outside EU in £ | 20:35 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | hmm, it seems i missed an earlier one that got sold for $1500 | 20:37 |
| walokra | crazy | 20:37 |
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| Kabouik | When you think of it, it's jsut a few units. Not worse than those t-shirts or useless stuff sold for 5000 USD on Kickstarter | 20:39 |
| Kabouik | Some people really are rich enough to avoid the wait, I guess, and if they can, then they should indeed | 20:39 |
| Kabouik | One question about the Google account: the sync function is for contacts only, or also Calendar? If only contacts, I disabled it, hence the question | 20:43 |
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| walokra | there's no caldav support yet and thus no google calendar | 20:45 |
| Kabouik | So I can disable sync and use Mail4Exchange to sync the calendar instead | 20:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but, i imagine that sync will apply to everything in the future | 20:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and/or possibly have a selection | 20:46 |
| Kabouik | I don't know what is everything, apart from contacts and calendar/tasks | 20:46 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | in principal, sync is dependant on what you're syncing, but eg: ActiveSync can contain contacts/notes/tasks/agenda/email iinm | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i suppose others might have similar or even added chat functions or whatnot | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i just think that in essense, jolla will sync everything it can (or has functionality for, at that time), by default | 20:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: also, you're not entirely correct, as in, that that is a requirement for being able to sell in the US | 20:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | possibly, because the device is too open, it will be rejected | 20:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for US markets | 20:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | because everyone buying Jolla must be a terrorist! | 20:56 |
| Pnuu | and a communist! | 20:57 |
| Acce | Especially communist | 20:57 |
| Acce | I think we all have seen this: http://archive.nodalpoint.org/files/images//open_source_communism.preview.jpg | 20:58 |
| jubo2 | c☭mmiemist!! | 20:58 |
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| jubo2 | g'damm c☭mmiemist always telling us to refuse the capitalist his ownership of capital and the revenues from it | 20:58 |
| Acce | It says in the terms and conditions that every Jolla user must make a pilgrimage to Lenin's grave | 20:58 |
| jubo2 | Acce: dude I don't think he has a grave | 20:59 |
| jubo2 | it's a mausoleum | 20:59 |
| Acce | jubo2: I thought you were gonna claim he's still alive :D | 20:59 |
| jubo2 | means glass box they put your preserved body.. | 20:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lol | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | jubo2: did you get a jolla phone yet? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | we made the phone, will you buy it now? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:01 |
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| jubo2 | Stskeeps: I'm waiting to have one at hand in DNA Kauppa | 21:02 |
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| jubo2 | There was this ad about Jollas in DNA Kauppa but I'll belive it when I see | 21:02 |
| jubo2 | plus they promised to send me email when it's in the stores | 21:02 |
| celeron55 | just thought to drop by and mention that jolla should be pretty damn sure to make sure preorderers in finland get something to compensate the preorder punishment they are now getting | 21:02 |
| Acce | jubo2: they didn't send me an email in the end.. only an SMS | 21:03 |
| Pnuu | celeron55: what punishment? | 21:03 |
| Acce | I got mine from DNA kauppa | 21:03 |
| jubo2 | Acce: they didn't send me shit | 21:03 |
| disharmonic | You do realise Red Hat is a US company right :P | 21:04 |
| celeron55 | Pnuu: anyone can go pick one up from a DNA shop on the street, while preorderers have to wait and wait and wait to get theirs if they don't want to buy a second one | 21:04 |
| jubo2 | I'll have to call 'em and mention "I've been urr loyal customer for 12.5 yrs, how come you no send me a message that the Jolla is at DNA Stores..?!?!??!" | 21:04 |
| celeron55 | it's ridiculously unfair | 21:04 |
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| Pnuu | celeron55: I believe all pre-orders will be shipped before those fet units are available from DNA stores | 21:05 |
| jubo2 | I hope it has a calendar that syncs with everything | 21:05 |
| Acce | well it is weird, I got mine the day they came to the DNA shops | 21:05 |
| celeron55 | that has been the situation for weeks now | 21:05 |
| jubo2 | yeah.. that and way to translate cyrilic into an understandable lang | 21:05 |
| pp_ | a friend got one last week with no pre-order | 21:05 |
| Pnuu | I got mine last tuesday | 21:06 |
| celeron55 | people are basically just picking them up without pre-orders and ridiculing those who preordered as being stupid | 21:06 |
| celeron55 | it's unbearable | 21:06 |
| celeron55 | at least send people extra second halves or something, it just isn't fair otherwise | 21:07 |
| w00t | .. | 21:07 |
| w00t | wrong window | 21:07 |
| celeron55 | i sure hope someone responsible for this reads this | 21:08 |
| Pnuu | I think I've missed something | 21:08 |
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| jubo2 | I bought a NOK E75 with the money I coulda used to purchase an iPhone 2Gs | 21:10 |
| Kabouik | Ahhhhhhhhh noooooooo. No way to appear invisible on Gmail. Ahhhh. On the N9 I could, as I do on Gmail.com. There are people I want to avoid but not to block. :( | 21:10 |
| jubo2 | just was so pissed off at AAPL at that point that it didn't compute | 21:10 |
| Kabouik | Can't use Gmail chat so... :( | 21:10 |
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| special | Kabouik: hmm | 21:11 |
| tehdely | has anyone in round #2 preorders gotten their device? | 21:12 |
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| jubo2 | I can't belive this cult status.. | 21:12 |
| jubo2 | Benefon was the last.. | 21:12 |
| special | Kabouik: I'll look at it and file a task about exposing the hidden presence. | 21:12 |
| celeron55 | tehdely: hopefully not, as at least some people in round #1 haven't got theirs | 21:12 |
| Kabouik | You can be offline here special, but then you can't use the Gmail chat feature. On the N9 there was an invisible feature (online but invisible). You can still do it on gmail.com if not using hangouts | 21:12 |
| tehdely | celeron55: ooh, harsh | 21:13 |
| jubo2 | then there was just one mobile device company "By the engineers and only by the engineers"-Nokia | 21:13 |
| special | Kabouik: ah, wait | 21:13 |
| celeron55 | tehdely: explain why that wouldn't be reasonable | 21:13 |
| special | Kabouik: open events view, pull down to show presence details, tap the account, can't you select "Hidden"? | 21:13 |
| tehdely | no, i mean that is harsh. that people in the 1st round still haven't gotten their devices | 21:13 |
| tehdely | i am in the 2nd round. i was starting to get impatient but that has sort of put me in my place | 21:13 |
| Kabouik | Not hidden, just Offline/Away/Available special | 21:13 |
| special | tap the account specifically, not the global controls along the top | 21:14 |
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| Kabouik | special, marry me. | 21:14 |
| Kabouik | We'll be happy together, and we'll have a nice house and a big dog. And dozens of children. | 21:14 |
| special | :> | 21:14 |
| Kabouik | And can I use hidden status on Gmail if my global status is offline? Don't really know what the global status is fore speciala | 21:15 |
| Kabouik | special | 21:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | tehdely: I'm at #1040 or so and had it earlier today | 21:16 |
| special | Kabouik: at the moment, changing the global status will change them all together, but you can change them individually afterwards | 21:16 |
| nadriel | hrhm, facebook and gmail integration with messages work fine | 21:16 |
| * nadriel likes | 21:17 | |
| Kabouik | Ok, the key is to change them afterwards then special? Thanks for this tip, really useful | 21:17 |
| special | nadriel: good to hear, that's my work ;) | 21:18 |
| special | Kabouik: I believe the idea is to have the account-specific ones override the global ones permanently, but that isn't done yet | 21:19 |
| Kabouik | Please special, never remove that "Hidden" status even if Google hangouts (new chat system) removed it. A lot of people like me still use the old chat system just for that | 21:19 |
| Kabouik | But if I change the global afterwards, then it resets all specific accounts to that general status, right? | 21:20 |
| special | yes | 21:20 |
| special | currently. | 21:21 |
| nander | The shape of the graph changed a lot ;) | 21:21 |
| Kabouik | Well, whatever happens next, just keep that hidden feature here, or I divorce special. | 21:21 |
| special | Kabouik: we'll keep it as long as their server keeps supporting it | 21:21 |
| special | (and it will always be there for generic XMPP, of course) | 21:22 |
| Kabouik | Good news! | 21:22 |
| Kabouik | By the way, instead someone is wondering: animated gifs show animated in the email app. | 21:22 |
| Kabouik | BUT overlong URLs mess up the display because they won't break line properly (they won't at all). | 21:23 |
| Kabouik | -instead +in case | 21:23 |
| nadriel | special, still need irssi private message integration and video over irssi support. ; ) | 21:23 |
| nadriel | Am not asking much, just leetle things. | 21:24 |
| special | haha | 21:24 |
| nadriel | You happen to know where ambiances are stored? I've got this problem that now twice my ambiances have been disappearing and the pictures they wre made of also went *poof* | 21:26 |
| nadriel | Tried looking around but spent 15 minutes just browsing folders | 21:26 |
| Tujutzki | I really like the setup with the statuses as it is now, FWIW | 21:26 |
| Tujutzki | seems logical | 21:27 |
| special | nadriel: is that your custom ambiances, or the preloaded ones? | 21:27 |
| nadriel | special, preloaded ones did the disappearing trick, and a few custom ones | 21:27 |
| special | the preloaded ones disappear if you uninstall the "Tutorial" app, there's a fix coming for that | 21:28 |
| nadriel | Ah! | 21:28 |
| nadriel | : D | 21:28 |
| nadriel | What about the custom ones? | 21:28 |
| special | that I don't know | 21:29 |
| nadriel | Could that have affected to custom ones also? | 21:29 |
| nadriel | Hrhm.. | 21:29 |
| Acce | sigh, still no luck with XMPP | 21:29 |
| nadriel | I'm pondering what I did before it happenned. | 21:29 |
| Morpog_Mobile | New update changelog? | 21:29 |
| nadriel | At least I've deleted tutorial, so. | 21:29 |
| Acce | even though I got a signed certificate | 21:29 |
| special | Acce: what's the problem? | 21:30 |
| pdanek | IRC client available? | 21:30 |
| Acce | special: my XMPP account doesn't show up in the events view | 21:30 |
| pdanek | & can I somehow access the repos via zypper outside Sailfish? | 21:30 |
| nadriel | pdanek, just finger term and ssh, but I think there was some app in yandex | 21:31 |
| pdanek | but I hate the idea of using Android app for such basic thing as IRC | 21:31 |
| pdanek | it's like phone call function | 21:31 |
| special | Acce: the error handling really sucks (in that it doesn't really exist) for new XMPP accounts currently. Do you have developer mode enabled? | 21:31 |
| Acce | special: yeah I have | 21:31 |
| pdanek | I'm a bit worried that importance for good native apps won't be as high because of the Android app compatibility. | 21:32 |
| special | pdanek: I've seen one or two around github at least | 21:32 |
| Acce | special: I just get this in journal: Dec 16 23:32:41 localhost lipstick[972]: AccountSyncAdapter.qml: Account 6 from jabber isn't syncable. | 21:33 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Update your devices guys | 21:33 |
| Morpog_Mobile | 1.0.1.12 | 21:33 |
| nadriel | No choice but to obey? | 21:33 |
| Kabouik | Anyone tried to create a Yandex account and did not receive the code by SMS? I used the +XX digits to ensure my phone would work internationally | 21:34 |
| Yaniel | yay \o/ | 21:34 |
| special | Acce: try journalctl -a | grep WOCKY | 21:34 |
| Bysmyyr | store is not respondig | 21:34 |
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| Yaniel | probably a short disturbance because of deploying the update | 21:34 |
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| Acce | special: did that, it says my ssl certificate is untrusted, which we earlier thought would be the problem | 21:35 |
| Acce | so I got a signed certificate today, but still the same.. maybe there is some delay before the certificate is recognized trusted? | 21:36 |
| Kabouik | (Oh we can edit forwarded mails and replies, so happy you guys didn't reproduce the error of N9's Fenix) | 21:36 |
| special | Acce: mm, moment | 21:37 |
| special | Acce: pkcon install qt5-qttools-qdbus; /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager | 21:38 |
| special | look for the path matching the account you're interested in ('mc-tool dump' can help if you have multiple xmpp accounts) | 21:39 |
| special | then: /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus --literal org.freedesktop.Telepathy.AccountManager /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Account/gabble/jabber/jabber_38 org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Account # and substitute your object path for mine | 21:39 |
| ortylp | My microsd card has not been detected, am I doing something wrong, or root access and mount command is needed? | 21:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | devmode needed, afaik | 21:39 |
| special | it *might* tell you specifically what failed in validating the certificate. | 21:39 |
| Acce | special, thanks, I'll check it out | 21:40 |
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| restless_being | huh, cool new update. installation in progress. | 21:41 |
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| special | Acce: it's a bit of a poor substitute for real account error handling ;) | 21:41 |
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| ortylp | Kabouik: I have tried to remove yandex store app and as a result "android support" has been removed :( | 21:42 |
| ortylp | How to access SD card on Jolla???? | 21:42 |
| Kabouik | How sorry ortylp, was not asking anyone to remove it :( | 21:42 |
| Kabouik | But I can't create an account, I don't receive that sms with code. And the phone number is correct | 21:43 |
| restless_being | Kabouik: i didn' receive it too.. created account via yandex web page and seems to work | 21:43 |
| Yaniel | ortylp: /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ | 21:44 |
| Kabouik | Thanks, will do then. And another question: possible to select text from the browser? I'd like to copy something | 21:44 |
| special | Acce: if all else fails, at the cost of security: 'mc-tool update gabble/jabber/jabber_xxx bool:ignore-ssl-errors=true' will get it connecting | 21:45 |
| special | (run as nemo) | 21:45 |
| Turski | Morpog_Mobile: wut, already... | 21:46 |
| Acce | special: Hmm, well, for all I can understand from this output it just says the signer is unknown, and therefore the certificate cannot be trusted | 21:47 |
| ortylp | Yaniel: /run/user/100000/ is empty :( | 21:47 |
| Acce | I guess I'll try ignoring it, since it's my own server anyways | 21:48 |
| Yaniel | are you sure you have the correct amount of 0's there? | 21:48 |
| Yaniel | there are two folders in /run/user for me | 21:48 |
| Yaniel | with almost the same name | 21:48 |
| Acce | I guess I'll try ignoring it, since it's my own server anyways | 21:49 |
| Acce | whoops | 21:49 |
| ortylp | Yaniel: yes, i checked both | 21:49 |
| Yaniel | :/ | 21:50 |
| Yaniel | I did find my sd card there | 21:50 |
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| ortylp | Morpog_Mobile: I have 1.0.1.10 and "Updates: Up to date" | 21:52 |
| ortylp | Yaniel: how is your SD card formatted? | 21:52 |
| sledges | same here ortylp | 21:52 |
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| Yaniel | FAT32 or FAT16, I'm not sure | 21:52 |
| Yaniel | 1 partition | 21:52 |
| Acce | special: thanks, I got connected by ignoring the ssl error, I hope there will be better error handling on this in the future :) | 21:52 |
| Yaniel | I've been using it that way with my E51 and N8 | 21:53 |
| special | Acce: yeah. We need to check the connection as part of XMPP account setup, and display errors better for existing accounts. | 21:53 |
| * special makes a note to check on those bugs | 21:53 | |
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| petantik | any changelog? | 21:57 |
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| Kabouik | I like (a lot) the possibility to install several apps at a time in the store. I'm sure they are only queued, but doesn't matter, it's a terrific gain of time compared to the N9 store where we needed to wait a million years | 22:04 |
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| ortylp | Yaniel: OK, a FAT formatted card is visible there in terminal, but not from Android app... mystery solved... | 22:05 |
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| cvp | hello, use someone the xmpp chat with a own server ? | 22:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cvp: with dukgo's server | 22:08 |
| cvp | i try with my own server, but cant connect. with xabber (android) it has no problem | 22:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ortylp: ah, yes, android doesn't have access to it | 22:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ortylp: it might be if you --bind mount it to where alien dalvik can be used | 22:09 |
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| ortylp | AL13N_lizzy: that is too bad, I have 20GB data for aarddict and 10GB of maps for osmand... | 22:10 |
| ln- | hmm, i tried to charge N9 with jolla's charger, and N9 said not enough power. | 22:10 |
| cvp | i am little bit frustrating woth xmpp | 22:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | O_o | 22:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | small update is coming! | 22:11 |
| ortylp | AL13N_lizzy: symbolic links do not work either | 22:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 7min ago | 22:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ortylp: mount --bind | 22:12 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | of course symlinks do not work android apps are chrooted | 22:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or at least sandboxed | 22:12 |
| nadriel | : D | 22:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyone see the small update yet? | 22:13 |
| nadriel | They said they're going to update this often | 22:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it should in future updates keep the store working (or something) | 22:13 |
| nadriel | but this is too much | 22:13 |
| nadriel | Update every 10 minutes might be a bit too much. | 22:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | no, this is a small fix, before the real bugfix release EOY | 22:13 |
| ortylp | AL13N_lizzy: OK, never used "--bind", I'll check it out later, now I am too sleepy to tinker any more... | 22:13 |
| ortylp | no update on my side | 22:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ortylp: mount --bind is used to link a source dir to a dest dir | 22:14 |
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| nadriel | Installing the small update atm | 22:14 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | it seems this one is required, because the big bugfix updates later will require this or the store would stop working and possibly you'd have to reset the domain or something | 22:15 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | nadriel: i suspect the backup and such will take longer than the actual update | 22:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | bbiab, chores | 22:16 |
| nadriel | Actually installin this takes a long time. | 22:16 |
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| phaeron | nadriel: which version are you updating to ? | 22:17 |
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| restless_being | the second one was quite fast | 22:17 |
| nadriel | Mine froze. : ) | 22:18 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | O_o | 22:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nadriel: really? | 22:18 |
| nadriel | Yep, really | 22:18 |
| Kondou | How do I get the "touch-to-toggle" buttons in the main settings screen back? I toyed a bit around with them, but when I'm adding new ones to my favourite settings they aren't the toggles I started with … settings's action cover doesn't show anything usefull as well anymore | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | The above hastle I was having setting up yandex was due to the date widget. | 22:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ^^ Stskeeps | 22:19 |
| nadriel | Rebooted. | 22:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nadriel: what happened? | 22:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | did you have a network hiccup or something? | 22:19 |
| nadriel | I'll see in a bit | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I assumed swiping back would confirm the date setting. I was back in November. | 22:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | You actually have to tap the selected textual date - not the calendar before swiping back | 22:19 |
| Nicd- | changelog for update? | 22:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Kondou: isn't this just the cover of the settings app? | 22:20 |
| Bysmyyr | I do not see anymore stuff from memory card, same issues? | 22:20 |
| Kondou | AL13N_lizzy: well the actual settings action cover shows some neat icons and such, but mine doesn't anymore | 22:21 |
| Kondou | it's just the settings icon | 22:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Kondou: you're not on a second page or something or? | 22:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | what if you close the settings and restart it? | 22:21 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: small fix to keep in future updates store working | 22:22 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | remember EOY there is a bugfix update planned | 22:22 |
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| Nicd- | AL13N_lizzy: OS update or app update+ | 22:22 |
| Nicd- | *? | 22:22 |
| Turski | OS | 22:22 |
| Nicd- | can't see it | 22:22 |
| Nicd- | says "up to date" | 22:22 |
| nadriel | O . o | 22:23 |
| Turski | same here | 22:23 |
| teve | I got another update request even I'm already running VERSION="1.0.1.12 (Laadunjärvi) (armv7hl)" | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 1.0.1.12 | 22:24 |
| Nicd- | up to date even though I'm on 1.0.1.10 | 22:24 |
| phaeron | it will hit all devices morning-ish | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | btw: JollaHQ: "We are moving onto more markets in Q1 2014, when you will be notified further." <--- note the word "Markets" --> plural??? | 22:25 |
| phaeron | for those who got it no need to downgrade | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: oh, it's normal that it's spread out? | 22:25 |
| nadriel | Okay.. Here's what happened. I selected a update, it updated to current version it seems. which is 1.0.1.10.... Laadunjärvi. | 22:25 |
| nadriel | Which I was already running. | 22:25 |
| petantik | mysterious. | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nadriel: i thought you said it hanged and you rebooted? | 22:25 |
| nadriel | AL13N_lizzy, I thought it hanged too. | 22:26 |
| teve | yep, mine downgraded back to 1.0.1.10 | 22:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lol | 22:26 |
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| phaeron | AL13N_lizzy: yes but the downgrade bit is confusing of course | 22:26 |
| nadriel | The thing rebooted then and started. Was around 70% for a looooong time. | 22:26 |
| petantik | could have been a borke dupdate | 22:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: yes | 22:26 |
| nadriel | So I thought it hanged. | 22:27 |
| phaeron | anyway guys just hold on till morning | 22:27 |
| nadriel | But seriously, to sleep now, enough fuzz for one evening. : D | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: so, lemme get this straight, there was a small update that automatically downgrades so that the next upgrade doesn't lose store functionality? | 22:27 |
| nadriel | 'nite | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: sorry, i spread it here, because i read it on devel@sailfishos.org | 22:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i meant devel@lists.sailfishos.org of course | 22:28 |
| phaeron | AL13N_lizzy: it's ok | 22:28 |
| phaeron | AL13N_lizzy: it won't downgrade tomorrow | 22:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oic | 22:28 |
| * restless_being likes how it sounds: "update that automatically downgrades" | 22:29 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | so it's more of a timing thing | 22:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 22:29 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: still, nice that QA noted that there would be a problem in the next update, so that this could be fixed before the next bugfix update | 22:30 |
| phaeron | you're welcome :) | 22:30 |
| Kondou | AL13N_lizzy: https://cloud.ts.unde.re/public.php?service=files&t=0aef9b6983510bf14253f71a01b543f4 see top middle | 22:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it definately gives the idea that people are working on it! | 22:30 |
| Kondou | usually it's 4 icons for wlan and such | 22:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 22:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Kondou: restarting the app didn't do anything? | 22:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: look at that link... is this normal? | 22:31 |
| Kondou | yup … | 22:31 |
| phaeron | looking | 22:32 |
| phaeron | you mean the settings icon ? | 22:32 |
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| phaeron | err settings active cover | 22:32 |
| phaeron | Kondou: did you remove them from "favorites" ? | 22:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kondou: long press the airplane mode switch and select add to favorite | 22:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | same for WIFI, Data and Bluetooth | 22:34 |
| Kondou | phaeron: yup, and readded them like Sfiet_Konstantin said | 22:35 |
| Kondou | initially they are toggle-able | 22:35 |
| phaeron | ok . so nothing major ( they didn't disappear on their own that is ) :) | 22:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 22:36 |
| Kondou | now they aren't toggle-able anymore though | 22:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kondou: they should | 22:36 |
| Kondou | and don't show up on the cover | 22:36 |
| Kondou | https://cloud.ts.unde.re/public.php?service=files&t=609848027c6f51afc727cb8586879979 | 22:36 |
| Kondou | I removed them | 22:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kondou: go in the settings and pin them again | 22:36 |
| Nicd- | so what's happening with this update? there's an update that downgrades itself to remove a bug in an update that has not come out yet? I am thoroughly confused | 22:36 |
| Kondou | and readded them | 22:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Kondou: you added the categories | 22:37 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | go inside the category and pin the switches | 22:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: that's exactly it, though if you get it tomorrow, it won't be downgraded | 22:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | go figure | 22:37 |
| Kondou | Sfiet_Konstantin: oh I see | 22:38 |
| Kondou | thanks | 22:38 |
| phaeron | the downgrade part is a bug in itself | 22:38 |
| Nicd- | well it's not upgrading now so I guess I'll try tomorrow | 22:38 |
| phaeron | yes tomorrow it will be an upgrade that doesn't downgrade | 22:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: i got a question, is every update something like: "oh gods, i'm getting a heart attack?" | 22:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for devs, i mean? | 22:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i guess having it for the public is new for you guys too | 22:39 |
| phaeron | nah we have a process for things :) | 22:39 |
| phaeron | only the release / qa guys get the heart attacks :D | 22:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's like when i finish my project, it goes live and even if you do QA, there's still (in the beginning) the "what if we missed something or ...." | 22:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phaeron: hahaha | 22:40 |
| phaeron | developers just commit to git and watch things blow up :D | 22:40 |
| * phaeron thinks it's past his bed time already | 22:40 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 22:41 |
| tigeli | phaeron: I just woke up :D | 22:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tigeli: go back to bed :-) | 22:41 |
| tigeli | AL13N_lizzy: I've been sleeping like 20 hours today already :D | 22:42 |
| tigeli | flu <3 | 22:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oic | 22:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but you love the flu??? | 22:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | how quaint | 22:42 |
| tigeli | always :D | 22:42 |
| tigeli | feel like dying :D | 22:42 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | are you one of those guys that kick on near-death experiences, in the hopes of having the out-of-body experiences??? | 22:43 |
| tigeli | not really :D | 22:44 |
| tigeli | when I'm sick I wish to be ok or dead.. being sick is just depressing. | 22:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oic | 22:46 |
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| Kabouik | What's the commandline to install a local .apk file? | 22:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | apk<tab> | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget the exact command - it's pretty obvious | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | apkd-install or something | 22:58 |
| Kabouik | Thanks, let's try it out! | 22:59 |
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| Kabouik | Well, need to be root :> | 23:00 |
| special | I think there's even an association set up | 23:01 |
| special | in which case 'xdg-open file.apk' would do it | 23:01 |
| Kabouik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sailfish#Enable_Root_Access hop | 23:01 |
| Kabouik | Oh crap, it's for Sailfish on N9 | 23:02 |
| special | you don't need to do anything for root access | 23:02 |
| special | you have root as soon as you have developer mode | 23:02 |
| special | just run 'devel-su' | 23:03 |
| Kabouik | Ah, devel-su, that was what I was looking for, thanks. Got confused between "root" on N900, and N9 command | 23:03 |
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| stephg | if anynone is still up, is the store still messed up for you (on device: i.e. can't sign in) | 23:15 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | hmm, do you run apkd-install as root??? that doesn't sound safe | 23:17 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: contacts got synced jus fine with google account. cc: Morpog_Mobile | 23:18 |
| stephg | AL13N_lizzy: no | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | stephg: above in the chat logs SpeedEvil and Kabouik are sorta trying this? | 23:19 |
| Morpog_Mobile | sledges: yep, but not calendar | 23:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it doesn't sounds safe to me... | 23:19 |
| sledges | calendar im not using, maybe zbenjamin mistyped.. | 23:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Morpog_Mobile: no caldav yet | 23:20 |
| stephg | AL13N_lizzy: yeah I knew it was a problem before, was wondering if it still was, thx | 23:20 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | stephg: ? | 23:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i didn't know it was a problem | 23:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it just doesn't sound safe to me | 23:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway, i'm off to sleep | 23:21 |
| stephg | AL13N_lizzy: | 23:22 |
| stephg | before you go | 23:22 |
| stephg | I got my wires crossed, but apkd-install doesn't need root I don't think | 23:23 |
| stephg | I tried the play store hack without elevated privs and it worked just fine | 23:23 |
| Kabouik | AL13N_lizzy: no idea, I just know I couldn't run apkd without root privileges | 23:24 |
| stephg | Kabouik: you'd enabled developer mode? (dunno if they're related, just asking) | 23:24 |
| Kabouik | Said "apkd: not running as root, exiting" | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | Yes I did | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | Anyway I had to, to run Fingerterm, no? | 23:25 |
| stephg | right | 23:26 |
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| zbenjamin | sledges: no contacts works, calendar doesn't | 23:40 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: but i need calendar :( | 23:41 |
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| Turski | Kabouik: apkd or apkd-install? | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It was indeed apkd-instaall I was referring to above | 23:50 |
| Kabouik | apkd Turski | 23:51 |
| Kabouik | Should I have used apkd-install? | 23:51 |
| macmaN | yes. jolla is at least as awesome as i expected. | 23:51 |
| Turski | apkd-install is what is used to install apk packages | 23:51 |
| stephg | apkd-install worked for me without elevated privs | 23:51 |
| Kabouik | Alright, so don't know what was apkd. To uninstall the app, I long-press the icon and delete? | 23:52 |
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| Turski | yes | 23:52 |
| Kabouik | Does it purge conf files too? | 23:52 |
| Turski | i'm not sure | 23:53 |
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| Turski | but just a little tip: don't run anything as root if you are not sure what you are doing | 23:54 |
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| Kabouik | I'd say no, since I got all my settings back when reinstalling with apkd-install Turski | 23:54 |
| Turski | good | 23:54 |
| Kabouik | So I don't know how to uninstall and purge an Android file | 23:54 |
| Turski | how about apkd-uninstall? | 23:55 |
| Kabouik | I've not tried it yet. Perhaps there is an apkd-uninstall --purge something | 23:56 |
| Turski | or then just locate the configs and remove them | 23:56 |
| Kabouik | Yes but still no native filemanager, right? Plus a proper command would be better to be sure. There probably is one | 23:57 |
| Turski | there is native filemanager, it's just not in store | 23:57 |
| Kabouik | URL! | 23:58 |
| Turski | pkcon install jolla-fileman | 23:58 |
| Kabouik | Thanks Turski | 23:58 |
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