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| ruhrmolch | hi | 19:42 |
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| krnlyng__ | hiya | 19:42 |
| ruhrmolch | dude, maybe you know, if its possible to get sfdroid running on moto g first gen? | 19:42 |
| krnlyng__ | ruhrmolch, i think piggz did something with moto g's | 19:43 |
| krnlyng__ | ruhrmolch, how much memory? | 19:43 |
| ruhrmolch | mhm, not sure, i think 1gb | 19:43 |
| ruhrmolch | i will look, mom | 19:44 |
| krnlyng__ | ruhrmolch, well with 1GB it might work but it won't be pleasant... | 19:44 |
| ruhrmolch | mh, yes, only 1gb | 19:45 |
| ruhrmolch | how is the general useability in everyday use? Does it consume a lot batterie, if sfdroid is constantly running? | 19:53 |
| krnlyng__ | ruhrmolch, if sfdroid/android is sleeping there is not much extra power consumption. on the other hand if you're using sfdroid it is noticeable but i am not sure how it is compared to having android natively because i don't use it natively | 19:55 |
| ruhrmolch | sounds good. is it possible that notifications are forwarded to sailfish, so that for example, when a whatsapp message arrives, i get a notice in sf? | 19:58 |
| krnlyng__ | ruhrmolch, if someone implements it yes | 20:05 |
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| Mister_Magister | krnlyng__: how about write android app that sends dbus message and adds notification? Will that work? | 20:15 |
| Mister_Magister | can android app communicate with sfos without problems? | 20:15 |
| krnlyng__ | Mister_Magister, we can do that (use dbus) but i think it would be better not to implement this in an app, but it would be better to implement it in the android framework where notifications are normally handled | 20:16 |
| krnlyng__ | easier to access dbus from there and less overhead due to an app | 20:17 |
| Mister_Magister | krnlyng__: you mean to go deeper? yeah i think that would be good but i'm not into android franework development | 20:17 |
| Mister_Magister | but add inside notification sending funtion method that sends it to sfos too. that would be awesome | 20:18 |
| Mister_Magister | krnlyng__: what about sfos with 1GB ram. It's still bad idea? | 20:19 |
| nh1402[m] | I've looked into the notification stuff before, I *think* I know what needs to go where, but my dev machine is not in a functioning condition. | 20:22 |
| krnlyng__ | Mister_Magister, sfos alone will work fine. sfdroid will not be pleasant | 20:26 |
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| Mister_Magister | krnlyng__: sfos alone i know it will work since i have phone with sfos and 1GB ram since year. Yeah last time i tried sfdroid i was no good :/ | 20:27 |
| ruhrmolch | got sf on my moto g falcon with 1 gb, it was smooth | 20:28 |
| Mister_Magister | ruhrmolch: of course it will be smoth but i'm talking about ram | 20:28 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, ruhrmolch sfdroid adds a lot of overhead, some of it can probably be reduced in an aliendalviky fashion but i am not sure where and what to optimize | 20:28 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: can you give me source? I want to look into it | 20:28 |
| ruhrmolch | mister_magister, it wouldnt be smooth, if you would run out of ram, i guess | 20:29 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, ruhrmolch and i also don't have much freetime anymore so sfdroid development will go slower. but as soon as we have a good working mako port i will start on cm13 sfdroid | 20:29 |
| Mister_Magister | krnlyng: what about idea to not run whole android but just one app. like we don't need launcher and other stuff | 20:29 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, unfortunately we need zygote and system_server to be able to spawn apps | 20:30 |
| krnlyng | and those require the most memory | 20:30 |
| Mister_Magister | krnlyng: i understand | 20:30 |
| Mister_Magister | so i need to buy phone with 3GB ram :D | 20:30 |
| Mister_Magister | besides i don't need android apps anymore but other users would love to have android apps | 20:31 |
| ruhrmolch | i need here maps | 20:32 |
| ruhrmolch | would be cool if they could bringt it for sf natively | 20:32 |
| nh1402[m] | Mister_Magister: no | 20:34 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, no | 20:34 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, optimize sfdroid :D | 20:34 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, or one with 2GB ram should suffice | 20:35 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, unless it's 64 bit because then i think zygote will run twice | 20:35 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, then more is required | 20:35 |
| krnlyng | agh i don't know whats best | 20:35 |
| krnlyng | probably optimizing sfdroid | 20:35 |
| Mister_Magister | krnlyng: | 20:36 |
| nh1402[m] | Mister_Magister: I'm not on my laptop, I can send you a link tomorrow | 20:36 |
| Mister_Magister | >2017 | 20:36 |
| Mister_Magister | >everything is 3GB ram and aarch64 | 20:36 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: okay | 20:36 |
| nh1402[m] | krnlyng: nougat boots with 1gb ram, via the emulator image, didn't try installing an app though. | 20:36 |
| krnlyng | nh1402[m], but thats without sfso | 20:37 |
| nh1402[m] | krnlyng: well we could try and see if it boots with 512mb ram | 20:38 |
| nh1402[m] | And/or strip out stuff from the emulator image, just so we know what we can take out for sfdroid, if we can't use the emulator image directly. | 20:38 |
| ruhrmolch | well, im out, bye and ty for the information | 20:40 |
| nh1402[m] | Mister_Magister: github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/blob/master/services/core/java/com/android/server/notification/NotificationManagerService.java might be this but just checked on my phone briefly couldn't see the code properly | 20:41 |
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| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: okay thanks i can go from there :D | 20:42 |
| nh1402[m] | Mister_Magister: you would have to get the stuff from the Java code, pass it to a c++ function via the ndk and then send it via dbus | 20:44 |
| NeKit | krnlyng, nh1402[m], not sure about Nougat, but there are still devices coming with 6.0 AND 512 mb RAM | 20:44 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: yeah i know i see it's in java :D | 20:45 |
| nh1402[m] | Even If that's the wrong location that would be what you would have to do. | 20:45 |
| krnlyng | NeKit, it's crazy | 20:45 |
| krnlyng | NeKit, you put java in a device thats already slow and then use as little ram as possible :S i find that idiotic | 20:46 |
| krnlyng | JIT AOT or whatever cannot fix that | 20:46 |
| krnlyng | and garbage collection is also not very helpful for performance | 20:46 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: why not send dbus from java? i'm sure there will be library for that | 20:46 |
| NeKit | well, since those are ultra-budget devices, they are not supposed to be fast or really usable beyond basic functions | 20:46 |
| krnlyng | yeah i guess :D | 20:47 |
| NeKit | (just reminded me of https://mordovia.shop.tele2.ru/devices/details/Tele2_MIDI_White/) | 20:47 |
| nh1402[m] | Mister_Magister: not sure you if can send it to Sailfish via Java | 20:51 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: why not? it will be the same dbus signal anyway | 20:52 |
| nh1402[m] | Urm krnlyng ^ | 20:52 |
| krnlyng | Mister_Magister, nh1402[m] it is possible via a dbus wrapper which uses jni to talk to dbus, i used that for the wifi stuff | 20:52 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: so you were right | 20:53 |
| Mister_Magister | we need ndk | 20:53 |
| Mister_Magister | nh1402[m]: that soure file is too complicated for me :/ | 20:53 |
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