| mal | poetaster: well the other change did affect dpi value so it seems a likely candidate | 00:00 |
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| mal | poetaster: was scale ok with downgraded qtmozembed? | 00:01 |
| ilpianista | piggz: FYI when I submit a new request in OBS, it performs a POST request via HTTP even if I'm using https://build.merproject.org | 14:43 |
| mason | Hi all. Looking at https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/HW_Adaptation/ I get the impression that the Xperia is what I want to look at for a phone I can use with Sailfish in the US. Is this a correct impression? Is there other hardware I want to consider? I'm on AT&T if that matters. | 17:33 |
| attah | If you are a regular user you want to look here https://shop.jolla.com/ | 17:39 |
| attah | And just FYI, US operators all use the same tech nowadays anyway | 17:40 |
| attah | But do look at band support (don't expect others to do that for you) | 17:42 |
| mason | attah: I thought Jolla expressly didn't sell/ship to the US...? | 17:48 |
| Thaodan | Community ports should work. | 17:48 |
| mason | https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/US/gigaset-gs290 seemed like there were a lot of bands missing if that's accurate | 17:48 |
| attah | There is no shipping involved... and appearing like you are elsewhere is a non-issue | 17:49 |
| attah | Most people will want the paid features (which ports don't have) | 17:49 |
| Thaodan | There are some issues left to tackle regarding law, e.g. risk of suits and such | 17:49 |
| attah | community ports that is | 17:49 |
| Thaodan | but best to ask in the community meeting | 17:49 |
| mason | hrm | 17:49 |
| Thaodan | But there are ways around it.. | 17:50 |
| mason | "Sailfish X is currently available in the countries of the European Union, UK, Norway and Switzerland ("Authorized Countries") and the use of our website and services to purchase Sailfish X outside of the Authorized Countries is prohibited." | 17:50 |
| attah | That's up to your conscience | 17:51 |
| mason | Anyway, I assume the "software updates as long as device is supported" on https://shop.jolla.com/ refers to the notion that someone has to build it, and that's not guaranteed for the community release...? | 17:51 |
| mason | attah: My conscience has me only doing things that are within established law, with the next step being pushing to change said law if it's unjust in some way. | 17:52 |
| attah | For community *ports*, that is true | 17:52 |
| mason | Is there a list of ports out there? I only saw the Xperia stuff on the wiki. | 17:53 |
| attah | I honestly haven't seen one that was maintained :/ | 17:54 |
| mason | FWIW, my interest is in finding a reliable platform that is expressly *not* Android or iOS. I'd have wanted Symbian back in the day. | 17:54 |
| mason | Being in the US seems like an impediment to most of the things that seem like good answers. :P | 17:55 |
| attah | In my, not entirely humble, opinion Sailfish is the only option then | 17:55 |
| entil | (love the broken link to merproject.org in the docs ;P) | 17:55 |
| Thaodan | try https://forum.sailfishos.org/c/devices/24 the active ports are all listed here. | 17:55 |
| mason | Thaodan: Thanks! | 17:56 |
| Thaodan | It's a little messy because there are no stick posts there thou | 17:57 |
| attah | Not exactly a list... but sure, correct | 17:57 |
| mason | Lots of Xperia. | 17:57 |
| mason | I'll start poking around anyway. I'm looking for a long-term solution, so there's no great rush. | 17:58 |
| Thaodan | There are ideas the list from the mer wiki to the new wiki | 17:58 |
| mason | But from what I see so far, yeah, Sailfish seems like what I want. | 17:58 |
| Thaodan | feel free to asj | 17:58 |
| Thaodan | *ask | 17:59 |
| mason | I will. Thank you. | 17:59 |
| entil | fwiw I got an xperia 10 iii recently with sfos as my work phone and it's miraculously awesome, and I took a black-friday gamble on a 10iv for my personal phone, so hoping hard there's an sfos release coming ;) don't know what other phones are like, but with these I feel I don't have to care | 18:02 |
| mason | I hope it works out. :) | 18:02 |
| entil | mal did good work with the fp2 back in the day, but at least either of my phones really needs android support and I got dismayed about the sustainable repairability aspect when fairphone stopped supplying parts for the phone that really shouldn't have broken | 18:03 |
| entil | *either one of my phones | 18:03 |
| mason | Ugh, Fairphone's dropped support for phones they sold? Also super hard to get in the US, but that's not what they wanted their reputation to be as I understood it. | 18:03 |
| entil | fairphone never had official support | 18:03 |
| mason | So their supplying parts was only ever aspirational or best-effort? | 18:04 |
| entil | I did drool a bit over an fp4 at the phone store the other day, but I wasn't into buying one, because of reasons, one of which is lacking android | 18:04 |
| entil | mason: naah, they did deliver until they ran out of steam and didn't | 18:04 |
| mason | Android support is not a requirement here, FWIW. Really, I'm still bitter BlackBerry stopped security support for their OS. | 18:05 |
| entil | the way you'd want to do that is license the manufacture of spares so buyers aren't locked into one vendor, imo | 18:05 |
| mason | Yep. | 18:05 |
| Thaodan | For me Fairphones were never my thing, the are not really that eco, their hackablity is somewhat less compared to sony | 18:05 |
| entil | but the build quality, or component quality, wasn't super impressive considering I needed a spare to begin with - it was the bottom mic - so I had to talk on the phone with speakers on like a teenage girl | 18:06 |
| entil | I like the right-to-repair idea a lot but without official or even unofficial sailfish releases, someone else will keep the company afloat | 18:06 |
| entil | if I was an aosp user, I might have a completely different opinion | 18:07 |
| Thaodan | from pov Fairphone embracing google just a double edged sword, I understand their decision but it doesn't align in with goal of their mission | 18:09 |
| Thaodan | that they removed the head phone jack on their recent device doesn't come good either | 18:09 |
| entil | in the fp2 days it was just a default, allegedly aosp worked just as fine, and sailfish was fine if android wasn't required | 18:09 |
| entil | not sure what their mission entails, but focusing on sustainable hardware means you can align yourself with whatever software corporations you want, be they perceived evil or not, just people like me would want to see these things go together | 18:11 |
| entil | and because that idealism doesn't manifest itself in the real world, good guy sony is doing us all a favor | 18:11 |
| Thaodan | I get that but then I can also go to other vendors that sell hardware for better prices, give me updates longer etc. | 18:12 |
| entil | exactly | 18:12 |
| entil | all we gotta do is hope good guy jolla pushes out a port for the 10iv then :D | 18:13 |
| Thaodan | I have an Xperia 1 III, Xperia 1/5 IV left to port to :D | 18:14 |
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