| Oksana | Manually copying to where?.. If I remember correctly, Sailfish OS on Fxtec Pro1 has a problem with seeing a memory card and distinguishing it from built-in partitions - I already destroyed, once before, one of system partitions because of not being able to tell the difference. Ended up having to rescue filesystem and reinstall Sailfish OS 3.3 from scratch - it was a pain. And I don't want to go through it again. | 02:13 |
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| Oksana | As in, I don't know where my call-history, and SMS-history, went - and I am not sure whether I managed to recover Notes. And I had to set up email from scratch. And so on... | 02:14 |
| *** zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin | 02:56 | |
| bionade24 | Oksana: Make a backup with restic and reflash | 09:03 |
| *** frinring_ is now known as frinring | 09:50 | |
| Vitio[m] | Whoever designed the new sailfish os explanation page really did a good job, it makes me want to install. Installation instructions state I shouldn't upgrade my Android device to version 10, but I've already done that a year ago, will that pose a problem? | 12:07 |
| mal | which device? | 12:15 |
| Vitio[m] | Thats the I4213 says my phone. I think thats Xperia 10 plus dual sim | 12:15 |
| mal | Vitio[m]: where was the note about android 10 not being ok? | 12:29 |
| * Vitio[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KgsaSqJWEwwYDusmCqojKted/message.txt > | 12:30 | |
| dc1rjj | is there a x86 version of sailfishos to test on a pc (or vm)? | 12:30 |
| mal | there is the emulator image included sailfish os sdk | 12:32 |
| dc1rjj | a bootable iso? | 12:33 |
| mal | well it's a virtualbox image which used from sdk | 12:34 |
| dc1rjj | ok, vm only, not for a pc installation... | 12:35 |
| mal | Vitio[m]: you should downgrade the device to android 9 using the sony emma tool before installing sailfish os | 12:37 |
| Vitio[m] | ok thank you | 12:37 |
| noob | hello big fan | 12:44 |
| noob | of sailfish os | 12:44 |
| noob | just wanted to point out | 12:44 |
| noob | https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/introducing-firefox-quantum/ | 12:44 |
| noob | using this article from 2017 as evidence of using a new browser makes the browser look old | 12:44 |
| Tegu | hmm, what do you mean? | 12:48 |
| noob | i mean we are 2021 and this article is form 2017 | 12:49 |
| noob | so if it might make some people think we are using a browser from 2017 | 12:49 |
| Tegu | ah yea, you mean the sailfish browser version. Yes, it *is* old :) | 12:51 |
| noob | oh | 12:52 |
| Tegu | https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/release-notes-koli-4-0-1/4542 "Browser: engine upgraded to Gecko ESR60" which was released in 2018 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/60.0/releasenotes/ | 12:53 |
| Tegu | hmm, what was it before that.. | 12:53 |
| Tegu | it was 52 which was released in 2017 https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/52.0/releasenotes/ | 12:54 |
| Tegu | "Browser Engine upgraded to Gecko ESR52." https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/release-notes-pallas-yllastunturi-3-4-0/2258 | 12:55 |
| bionade24 | What's the best way for an pyotherside app to store data? | 15:14 |
| ol | Is there anybody responsible for forum.sailfish.org site? A bug on this site prevents me from logging in to it with my Jolla username ("ol"). It does not allow me to log in and requires me to select different, longer username. But I don't want to use longer username, I'm known as "ol" in Sailfish OS community. | 17:10 |
| bionade24 | ol: Probably a discourse software issue, not a problem with their LDAP. Try "call_me_ol" or "ol_____" | 17:37 |
| ol | bionade24 (IRC): I stated above that I don't want to change my username just to work around a bug. If I were not reluctant to change my username, I would not bother writing about this bug. | 17:39 |
| bionade24 | ol: That's not a bug it's problem for HashMap implementations, so it's ON PURPOSE that the Discourse Software requires usernames to have a minimum length. | 17:41 |
| ol | And I think that fixing this bug would be quite trivial: just changing some configuration parameter. I doubt that this arbitrary restriction is somehow rooted deeply in algorithms used for storing usernames. | 17:41 |
| ol | bionade24 (IRC): I don't get it. What a flawed implementation it can be that it depends on a length of username (not password) and works with 3 characters, but not 2? | 17:42 |
| bionade24 | ol: The shorter the data is that you hash, the more likely you risk collision. That's how it works. Work around it. | 17:45 |
| bionade24 | ol: That's Math. A longer minimum username isn't necessary, but it's bad for security to allow such a short username like ol . | 17:46 |
| ol | As a side note, using usernames in XXI century is so outdated. There should be internal used ID that is not shown to anybody. There should be multiple ways to identify yourself to log in to this ID (including external auth providers). And there should be externally-visible full name that is not required to be unique. | 17:47 |
| bionade24 | ol: The username can be an attribute, but there is lots of legacy software out there where usernames are the key. So short usernames are generally considered a bad thing. | 17:48 |
| ol | bionade24 (IRC): I've already worked around that by using a long non-predictable password that is not used anywhere else. If you want to prevent collisions, use random salt. Using externally accessible info (like username) as salt is not a good idea anyway. | 17:48 |
| ol | The only reason to not allow short usernames for systems that still require them is to slightly reduce cybersquatting. But it's not the case here: I already have a Jolla account, I just want to use it to log in to Jolla Forum. Not allowing to use the same account for all services is definitely a bug. | 17:51 |
| ol | There is no addinional security in requiring longer usernames: they are known to outsider. | 17:52 |
| bionade24 | ol: I said it's a collision problem in some softwares so it's considered bad to use it rather than hoping all SW doesn't use usernames as keys. | 17:55 |
| ol | I still don't understand what collisions you're talking about. Why at all use username instead of random salt? Why use weak hash algorithm at all? | 17:57 |
| ol | Can somebody from Jolla take a look at this problem? | 17:59 |
| pketo | ol: I'll take a look | 18:32 |
| ol | pketo (IRC): Thanks a lot! | 18:33 |
| pketo | fixed :) | 18:34 |
| ol | pketo (IRC): It works! Thanks a lot! | 18:35 |
| ol | Just a little suggestion. I think, it would be more user-friendly and less confusing to just log user in with Jolla credentials, not show "Create account" popup on first login. | 18:37 |
| pketo | maybe, though some people want to use different "identity", email address, and whatnot, on the forum. so that is why it ask it on first login | 18:43 |
| bionade24 | How do I find out the type ID of a QML type? Need that for the Nemo.configuration API | 18:44 |
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